How To Find Your Ideal Draw Elbow Height | Archery Form Advice

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  • Опубликовано: 9 фев 2025

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  • @PennsylvaniaSasquatch
    @PennsylvaniaSasquatch Год назад +3

    Awesome stuff, Jake! Been shooting for 45 years and never knew the optimal elbow, arm, and grip alignment. And thanks for shooting for our country back in the day. 99+% of the archers out there simply do not have that kind of dedication, perseverance, and ability to endure pain.😮‍💨

  • @vaazig
    @vaazig Год назад +21

    What a gorgeous bow

  • @alexhowarth5670
    @alexhowarth5670 Год назад +4

    I would love to see a video on how to know you have the right draw length. I’m like you - I need to know the ‘why’ behind the ‘what.’ I struggle to know if I’m trying too hard to pull and hold at 28”, or if I should chill and settle at 27 1/2” or so. What does my anatomy dictate draw length should be, and how do you know it or feel it? Also, as a trad archer myself, I’ve been eagerly awaiting this content!

  • @raycooke2510
    @raycooke2510 Год назад +2

    I had just assumed elbow height, high or low, was simply variations in an Archer's physical dimensions. So thanks, I now know I need to work on this, to bring my elbow down. ♡

  • @Snyderman96701
    @Snyderman96701 Год назад +1

    Great explanation on WHY your elbow height should be where it needs to be.

  • @Jorginhu97
    @Jorginhu97 Год назад +3

    I was JUST having a problem figuring it out if i was doing it right or not for the last days and your video being released today is just a miracle! thank you for your work!!

  • @edn301
    @edn301 Год назад

    You made so simple for many viewers by explained the most important key factor of ‘Draw Force’ line on ‘Tension & Direction’ control in archery!
    ( **by using Elbow position as an easy to understand reference point without using complicated terms… )
    Also-Glad to see you are exploring with both bare bow and trad archery by continue utilizing the core foundation of BEST/NTS method.
    Thank you for being a great ambassador of archery coaching through both YTC as well as at the field~! 👍🏼🏹😎
    ( Still remembered your long journey of RA days back then @ Chula as well as successful come back to became an Olympian! )

  • @shiadives
    @shiadives Год назад +1

    Thank you so much for this video Jake! I'm still a beginner and I've been observing other archers' elbow height during a competition and wondered why they all differ and no one seems to be able to explain why. I'm also a why and how type of learner so I can never fully grasp it when someone tells me to do this or that "just because" and I'm so happy to find someone who can explain the correlation of things, it makes so much more sense to me when I understand the why and how it actually works. Cheers! I appreciate all your work!

  • @Backyard.Archery
    @Backyard.Archery Год назад

    Another great form video… thank you!

  • @texdoms
    @texdoms Год назад

    Thanks!

    • @JakeKaminskiArchery
      @JakeKaminskiArchery  Год назад

      Thank you!

    • @texdoms
      @texdoms Год назад

      @@JakeKaminskiArchery well, thank YOU Jake. I wish I could put 1000 bucks on this. I’m completely self taught and learned everything watching a videos. I consider myself a decent shooter now, all thank to you. Cheers.

  • @lubossoltes321
    @lubossoltes321 Год назад +2

    Am I the only one not paying attention to what Jake's talking about and just admiring the bow ?

  • @9676Yoki
    @9676Yoki 4 месяца назад

    Excellent video. Thanks for posting!

  • @octaviogarcia5457
    @octaviogarcia5457 Год назад

    Impecable timing :-), I just included that spot check request on the vcr video I submitted. So i have a fresh video to do the line drawing test! Great !

  • @claesjonsson4943
    @claesjonsson4943 Год назад

    DAMMIT JAKE!! 4 days to Swedish indoors and I have been bending my head around this for quite a while and you come up with this NOW? How about two months ago when I got my impingement back? After seeing this last week I have questioned it for a few days but today I realised that I might have gone the wrong way around. A few years before you started your channel and while I was getting back from target panic... I changed my anchoring a bit giving me more stability during the sighting phase and that have probably caused my elbow to go a bit higher than needed and also making it hard to get elbow alignment with contact point on string and grip giving a steep slope. Also I have been looking at pictures of quite a few Swedish archers that noone would say have been lucky for the past 20 years BUT it is still pictures. I will look at their process this weekend and of course try my "revelation" in practise session already today. Love your work and channel and I am coming back ever so often to check your progress and vids. I really hope that you one day find the confidence and joy of going to barebow competitions seeing all the great US archers in Field and 3D ;) Good luck in your endeavours!

    • @claesjonsson4943
      @claesjonsson4943 Год назад

      ruclips.net/video/tIhVFG-YWGc/видео.html ruclips.net/video/T1iz1qGevpc/видео.html

  • @petelens9114
    @petelens9114 Год назад

    Thanks

  • @eirschu8973
    @eirschu8973 Год назад +2

    Oh my God, this is my problem! I realized lately that I just don't feel where the correct position is, I can't analyze it... thank you so much for the video! Even my coach didn't help much with that :/

  • @krisvandermeulen253
    @krisvandermeulen253 Год назад

    I have the issue of plucking the string and couldn't figure out why I had such a hard time to 'softly release' the string. Until a fellow took a picture of me with my elbow quite raised up and said I could release softly as die to my form I wouldn't be able to punch my shoulders together, hence me plucking the string. I'll be practising the coming weeks with an improved form😊

  • @PhilosopherLegacy
    @PhilosopherLegacy 11 месяцев назад

    Great video as always, this helped me immensely! I just wanted to share something I experienced as a new Archer (Barebow). I was constantly struggling in a sort of weak position as (I realized, watching Jake's videos) was not fully using back tension, not matter how much i pushed or pulled, i felt "locked" and had my draw side upper trap engaged too much. Even if I had a decent alignment, my shots would be inconsistent from end to end, with a lot of high and low misses. Also, what caused me even more problems was the bow arm. No matter what, it felt weak and It was hard to keep it on target (felt like it was falling down) After using mirrors and a stretch band guess what: my draw elbow was too high 😅 Lowering it just an inch as I draw now completely engages the back muscles, and I can feel the bone on bone contact in my scapulae and my bow arm has now a more stable "base" in the shot process.
    Now I just wonder, seeing other barebow archers with different elbow heights, if maybe this is related to one's arm lenght or something. For me (a short guy with a short draw lenght) this did the trick.

  • @valjaliovajusername
    @valjaliovajusername Год назад

    I can only watch this and cry... because my elbow turned into tennis elbow, I can't shoot anymore and I'm close to being desperate since I really like having a good time with my bow, arrows and targets 😢 So from Monday on physical therapies and if this problem ever go away, I need to seriously work on my form. Therefore I'll go again through all your vids about correct form and shooting. Keep up the good work.

    • @suzannebrewer8453
      @suzannebrewer8453 Год назад

      My son had tennis elbow from pitching. Acupuncture was the only thing that fixed it. Might want to look into that for yourself

  • @cavetroll
    @cavetroll Год назад

    I love how much you are enjoying that bow! Would be awesome to see a collaboration with Nu Sensei or Grizzly Jim. Maybe you can even end up at The Gathering in Germany 😁

  • @faizarulrahman1167
    @faizarulrahman1167 Месяц назад

    😲 exactly thing i was wondering how to,tq champ coach

  • @ARTCHILD
    @ARTCHILD Год назад

    Great clip! I had others always harping about getting my elbow high and the physics and feel never sat well with me…I even use a Slavic draw and shoot from either side of the Bow with it.
    Thanks again and all the best.

  • @kishenpankhania363
    @kishenpankhania363 Год назад

    My coach recently did some video analysis doing that line from the elbow to the hand to show it's too high, which is why I was struggling to get though the clicker.
    Once I fixed that, score jumped 50 points on a Portsmouth, thank you for this video, has no idea how important it is till it's something I fixed

  • @samuelvancleve9678
    @samuelvancleve9678 2 месяца назад

    Dude thank u very good explanation needed that!!!

  • @williameddy7217
    @williameddy7217 Год назад +1

    Awesome information and video
    Thank You

  • @jamesb813
    @jamesb813 Год назад

    Hello fellow Floridian I've enjoyed your videos about correct technique it has really helped somebody like me who is new to the sport of archery ..

  • @treelore7266
    @treelore7266 Год назад

    Primitive shooter here who didn't think much of technique issues until recently, just grip it and rip it style. I noticed that with a high elbow I can pull a heavier bow more easily, but it orients my wrist so that my index finger hangs over the arrow. The effect is more pronounced if I cant the bow, as I usually do. When I lower my elbow the wrist and fingers get into a much cleaner position. I can try to straighten my wrist in a high elbow position but it is very tense and uncomfortable. My arrows also used to have very deep self-nocks protruding behind the bowstring which probably made everything even worse. Just a few tiny fixes since then and my groups have improved dramatically.

  • @philipsturtivant9385
    @philipsturtivant9385 Год назад

    This just popped up pn my RUclips alerts. Haven't watched it yet - but I was struggling with this topic all through last spring, summer and into autumn, so it's really timely stuff for me. Hopefully, when I've had time to study it, I'll know whether I actually have a problem, and - if I do - how to correct it !!
    Thanks in advance Jake 👍👍

  • @BenRoundell
    @BenRoundell Год назад +3

    What about elbow position for higher anchors? Folks shooting in traditional and longbow class often shoot with high anchors to get the arrow closer to their eye for aiming without string walking. The forearm line to the grip is still in line but they get critiqued for high elbow because the point of the elbow is higher than what you'd see an Olympic shooter have.

    • @JakeKaminskiArchery
      @JakeKaminskiArchery  Год назад +3

      As long as the line works towards the grip it should be fine, yes the elbow is relatively higher and that is a must due to the higher anchor.

  • @edgartena6062
    @edgartena6062 Год назад

    Great video, TRAD LIFE! I know you didn't talk about it in this video but a limb mounted quiver, either strap on or slide on quiver, will add some weight to the bow and dampen the shot similar to what limb savers do.

  • @imdablader123
    @imdablader123 Год назад +1

    hey Jake! This was the advice that i was looking for yesterday for extra shot to shot consistency. I was too broke to afford a coach so i watched your form series and a bit of the tuning series thoroughly. I went to my first tournament yesterday and got gold on the qualifying rounds and silver on the olympic round. Thank you soo much for sharing your advice and experiences!! Ill look forward to more of your vids ^^

  • @anthonyforfare7223
    @anthonyforfare7223 Год назад +1

    Heck yeah,you got the glove,nice!👍😁🏹🎯

  • @romanwangwu
    @romanwangwu Год назад

    Great video!❤ can you make a video of high of the bow hand? I can’t find info about it😃

  • @carlaroseli
    @carlaroseli Год назад

    Valeu!

  • @mandibaum7375
    @mandibaum7375 Год назад

    Thanks as always for the content of your videos, i‘m learning dayly with my Gillo gt27 RB and Sanlida x 8 or 10 BB, Mandi

  • @matthias6337
    @matthias6337 Год назад

    Thank you Jake a lot for your help reagrding this issues... I find it very cool that you got into traditional bows and technic. However... I m not sure if you heard about the ancient methods of shooting bows? Lars Andersen is actually the first pioneer to awake the old ancient forgotten technics used in ancient wars. It would be cool if you can go into this field as well... the difference is that the arrow is placed on the opposite side of the bow, and there are several drawtechnics... The best I think is the Slavic Draw or also called the persian draw... its also the most similiar to the modern draw technics... would be cool, if you can get your self a horsebow and go into this field as well and show us how you would do it :)

  • @MrStringWalker
    @MrStringWalker Год назад

    Thank you Jake.

  • @nickcarty6854
    @nickcarty6854 Год назад

    That bow sounds so good.

  • @chrismooneyham5279
    @chrismooneyham5279 Год назад

    I shoot two fingers, is that split fingers
    I'm new to archery and have a vintage York Archery Cadet 62". I'm ok I guess I've only been shooting a few months but I am wanting to get serious about it. I have only recently (last two weeks) started watching and trying to learn what I must know to become what I want to become in this sport. Thanks.
    Why is one of the best questions ever asked.

  • @cruzbuddha
    @cruzbuddha Год назад

    Very handy advice. Thanks!

  • @ingemortenpedersen841
    @ingemortenpedersen841 Год назад

    You are the best, thanks. Best regards Norway

  • @cornnewton4804
    @cornnewton4804 Год назад

    Great video on elbow height. It's been a weekly conversation at our archery club.

  • @-fazik-3713
    @-fazik-3713 Год назад +2

    My elbow is higher than average. But it is more comfortable for me. Especially on compound.

  • @matthias6337
    @matthias6337 Год назад

    for the slavic release draw I ve experienced a narrower arrow pass as better in order not to terk and twist the bow to much in order to get a nice arrow flight... I can recommend the buck trails hayk... its a tatar style bow with very narrow arrow pass... awesome

    • @matthias6337
      @matthias6337 Год назад

      @jakekaminski_At_Nicegram if the real Jake Kaminksi would now, that you are spamming on his name...
      he will be upset!

    • @matthias6337
      @matthias6337 Год назад

      @jakekaminski_At_Nicegram Dont you have any better job, than spamming people on yt? I mean, you are sure from the phillipines or something... why cant you just grow avocados and sell them to someone...wouldnt be such a shamefull nonsense you are doing here, right?

  • @adorinadorin
    @adorinadorin Год назад

    Exact the time I need this exact advice

  • @Muskrat78
    @Muskrat78 Год назад +1

    KANGAROO glove is a sweet one

  • @rodphillips4333
    @rodphillips4333 Год назад +1

    Hi Jake could you please do something on learning to shoot both eyes open when I try my arrows go far to left of target even thought I'm right eye dominant. Keep up the great work.

  • @WalterMitchell-o7k
    @WalterMitchell-o7k Год назад

    Thanks Jake! I struggle for a month with my wife crushing me, Ouch! My claw was off, saw it when drawing and focusing on land 1 and 2. Then studied your claw. Need Vid on a constant draw hand position, Claw and wrist, kinda a issue for cyclist we tend to bend the wrist for impacts, and we develop a strong wrist that is flexed the wrong direction.

  • @LorenzoSpinelli
    @LorenzoSpinelli 7 месяцев назад

    Great tips, thank you. What about the position of the hand that draws? Is that perpendicular to the ground or slightly inclined? Is more a | or a \ 🙂?

  • @slalomnorth
    @slalomnorth Год назад

    This is a great video, I just screen shot me shooting and used the ruler tool on my phone to draw the line. Looks like my elbow is a little high

  • @archerlane9802
    @archerlane9802 Год назад

    Too high or too low of an elbow can make the arrow porpoise up and down. I hate porpoising and fish tailing of the arrow even if I hit the bulls eye. I put good arrow flight above all else.

  • @lindasharaf
    @lindasharaf 3 месяца назад

    Thanks heaps

  • @mccarthy86
    @mccarthy86 11 месяцев назад

    I have noticed with 3 under that when my elbow is high the arrow drops more and when its low the arrow travels higher and I can increase my range.

  • @OptophonTV
    @OptophonTV Год назад

    Thanks again Jake. I am really curious for your journey into traditional archery.
    I recenrly read about the visual aid of imaging yozr draw forearm as a chain and the fingers as a hook.
    What do you think about that? Greetings

  • @minimoy90
    @minimoy90 Год назад

    Good video, but how to get the elbow down? I have it high and struggle to get it down.

  • @jukepeke1
    @jukepeke1 Год назад

    Awesome video! Thank you😊 what longbow are you using?

  • @janickgonzalez3054
    @janickgonzalez3054 Год назад

    Hey Jake I wanted to know where did you train when you started Archery...cause I might move in the future and want to know where I can go to keep practicing the sport.

  • @vapiano6059
    @vapiano6059 Год назад

    Thank you for your excellent videos! Could you explain why some archers have a collapse of their upper body or sometimes they have some kind of hiccups during the full draw ?

  • @yannizafrulla7227
    @yannizafrulla7227 Год назад

    Jake, have you or your team mate experienced target panic as a recurve archer? Few young intermediate archers around me have. I wonder why those clicker users have it and maybe you can advise how to cure it forever. Regards

  • @braulioflamenco8928
    @braulioflamenco8928 Год назад

    Muy bueno el video, me encantó.

  • @MidwestTraditionalBowhunting
    @MidwestTraditionalBowhunting Год назад

    Hey Jake, I too shoot a jt Zeus and an Apollo! What glove did you end up going with?

  • @brianmajormajor3243
    @brianmajormajor3243 Год назад

    jake ,i hope you'll read this , im a recurve bow shooter and ive already good bow arm (not going to the right) not weak actually but the arrow always go the left ( im a right handed) but im already make it steady and make sure my bow arm not going to left or right but the arrow keep going to the left and no matter i adjust the sight to the left the arrow just keep going to the left hope you can share some tips ,thank you

  • @ridzuanabdulkadir6965
    @ridzuanabdulkadir6965 Год назад

    hi jake, will the wrong height of the elbow cause difficulty in raising the bow?

  • @gcoutdoors904
    @gcoutdoors904 Год назад

    Do u have anything on arrow tuning for string walking? Im noticing my bareshafts are way out of tune at some crawl positions and in tune at others

  • @robertfurman9315
    @robertfurman9315 Год назад

    Great video, Jake. I had always thought the high or lower elbow was based on a individual's physiological structure. Mine has always been a bit too low. This has always created back tension and release issues for me. Any advice on how to bring it higher?
    Robert

  • @daveyoung7518
    @daveyoung7518 Год назад

    That’s why I don’t feel my back muscles! No idea until now.

  • @The-art-rabbit
    @The-art-rabbit Год назад

    Best way to keep wrist on draw arm straight?

  • @isa3appa
    @isa3appa Год назад +1

    Thanks for this helpful info. What distance are you shooting at? At longer distances, the grip location will be higher because the bow arm angle changes but technically, the draw elbow height shouldn't change. Should this line test be done at blank bale or

    • @paulavirmasalo
      @paulavirmasalo Год назад

      It would be more repeteable to keep the T form consistent and not change the bow arm height in relation to draw arm. I tilt from my waist so the arms are always level. But this is just my opinion.

    • @isa3appa
      @isa3appa Год назад

      ​@@paulavirmasaloThat makes sense. I was taught that your torso should not bend left or right, which causes you to lean into or away from the bow, creating inconsistencies. But in simple geometry, the T has to lean (in your example) OR the vertical part of the T stays straight and the top (arms) pitches up. Maybe it's a bit of both?

    • @paulavirmasalo
      @paulavirmasalo Год назад +1

      You are rigth that the body should not lean basically anywhere. It should remain straight always in relation to the T form. Imagine you draw your bow on level ground and then - if needed - adjust the aiming from the waist only. It means you will remain in the correct T shape from waist up.
      I know there are archers with higher draw weights and recurve limbs that have less of an issue with the tilting. I really have to consider the details and form as I shoot a longbow with only #35 on my fingers.

  • @evilryu29
    @evilryu29 Год назад

    So.... I'm started shooting recurve, compounds, and recurve hunting I a left hand compound bow but I feel more comfortable shooting left hand then right why. And I'm a right handed person

  • @rinkerd3575
    @rinkerd3575 Год назад

    thank you😊😊😊

  • @BlindAssassin85
    @BlindAssassin85 Год назад

    How can i shoot effectively being visually impaired?

  • @carlray4809
    @carlray4809 Год назад

    I'VE HAD 2 SURGEORYS BRO, I CAN'T GET MY ELBOW HIGH ENOUGH, ( 3 - 4 INCHES LOW ). ANY ADVICE ?

  • @andreask.654
    @andreask.654 Год назад

    So my elbow is too high. And now? No matter how hard I tried, I just can't get it any lower. Is this a physical limitation, or is there some kind of trick to it? Anyway, good to know how to judge elbow hight. 👍 Some people say "level with the arrow", but this is not the line of force.

  • @stefanh4695
    @stefanh4695 Год назад

    Great Video! For me it seems also to change the pressure in the bow hand and how I feel the push pull during the hold/aim phase. Is this just a 'feeling' or does it actively change the pressure on the arrow on release and then impacts arrow flight? (low/high)

    • @esnevip
      @esnevip Год назад

      It won't change the arrow itself but feeling a different pressure in your bow hand would mean a difference in vertical impact if it's dramatic

  • @SheShootsTrad
    @SheShootsTrad Год назад

    I have this high elbow and it causes a false nock high (Nock low > shelf impact > nock high).
    I can't get my elbow down. I'm at full scapula retraction (back teansion) and I can't get it down. How do I get it lower?

    • @JakeKaminskiArchery
      @JakeKaminskiArchery  Год назад

      Just imagine your elbow going lower, practice without a bow and watch yourself in a mirror. See if that helps.

    • @SheShootsTrad
      @SheShootsTrad Год назад

      @Jake Kaminski I've just taken a good look at video footage. What happens is when I transfer to hold my wrist kinks causing my elbow to go high. I need to strengthen my wrists, forearms in order to maintain a high wrist position.

  • @boboconnor9898
    @boboconnor9898 Год назад

    Hi Jake - What are you using for your nocking points?

    • @JakeKaminskiArchery
      @JakeKaminskiArchery  Год назад +1

      These are a bit of serving tied in knots around the string. ruclips.net/video/dluQJyTGR2c/видео.html

    • @boboconnor9898
      @boboconnor9898 Год назад

      @@JakeKaminskiArchery Wow, on your Trad bow it looks like two different colored little balls.

    • @JakeKaminskiArchery
      @JakeKaminskiArchery  Год назад +2

      They are just two different colored threads.

  • @skybill201
    @skybill201 Год назад

    Bill F I watch your site a lot. I was wondering if the tips you give apply to compound shooting? I'm always looking for tips from the best, but i only shoot a compound, and at 84 years old, i don't plan on changing. Appreciate you adn the channel

    • @JakeKaminskiArchery
      @JakeKaminskiArchery  Год назад +1

      Yes, many of the things I cover directly apply to compound. Sometimes there are tweaks as mentioned in this video to use the D loop or connection point on the string as the reference. If you’re shooting fingers, this applies directly.

    • @skybill201
      @skybill201 Год назад

      @@JakeKaminskiArchery Thanks, i really appreciate your response and will keep watching

  • @tommygun542
    @tommygun542 Год назад

    Hey Jake, long bow and shooting gloves? What’s next a back quiver?

  • @OldFriendEr
    @OldFriendEr Год назад

    wow, i was searching for videos where you shoot with your wife so check your elbow height, because i notices mine was suspiciously high :) thanks a lot!

  • @stephenjones7090
    @stephenjones7090 Год назад

    Why not try Thumb draw? It's so much better then med. draw. One point of contact and much faster. I never meant a speed shooter that used Med. draw. Learn it, you will never go back.

    • @garymickus6412
      @garymickus6412 Год назад

      Would love to see it adapted to Olympic recurve. I agree it is faster/smoother because of the one contact point on the string. However one challenge is the need for a solid anchor. Thumb ring shooters I have seen draw the bow past their chin with the end point in the air. Another difficulty is World Archery rules which prohibit solid thumb rings of metal, plastic and horn and only permit flexible rings of leather.

  • @joemason6703
    @joemason6703 Год назад

    What is the why for the funky oversized fletchings? If the answer is I want more drag and weight in the back of the arrow to stabilize it, I will cringe.

    • @JakeKaminskiArchery
      @JakeKaminskiArchery  Год назад +4

      Cause I burned them myself custom out of huge feathers and felt like going with something different for no real reason.