Played high school basketball against him. He was a beast. I met him years later at the local zoo in Chicago after his retirement. He was with his kids as was I. An ordained minister and true gentleman
I agree...there was something about Cummings I liked watching him play. I can't quantify it in words but people like Cummings, Sean Elliott and Grant Hill were just enjoyable for me to watch play
I saw some great future NBA All-Stars play when they were in high school here in Chicago like Isiah Thomas, Mark Aguirre, and Terry Cummings when he played for Carver H.S. The Cummings-Aguirre combo when they played at DePaul was a killer.
Great interview Chicago's Own Terry Cummings aka preacher Man was a walking Bucket and clutch a straight Beast! Handles a jump shot and a Low Post Game rebound and tough as nails
I'm from the west side of da chi and i grew up with his cousins where he used to play ball at the parks. TC is a cool dude. They dnt know how he used to give Chicago fits in Milwaukee and a show whenever he came home to play. He knew his people were watching him. Craig Hodges Darrel walker Mark Aguirre Doc rivers Isaiah Thomas Are all from the west side of Chicago and in the same era. We produce players here.
@@challiewallie4023 I'm from the South Side and I know TC was that dude in college and the Pros. You are correct he gave the Bulls that work on those games. I agree 💯 percent our city produces some great hoopers some make the pros & some Don't.
One of my all time favorite B- Ball players. Had the privilege of having a conversation with him in Cleveland when he was with the Knicks. Very humble and sincere. Great guy.
TC was Rookie of the Year and had a great, iconic cover on Sports Illustrated. I saw him play 1 or 2 years at DePaul. He was TOUGH and extremely skilled.
Very Classy Guy, he explained the politics of the game perfectly and one of My favorite players as a kid, Its Something about Growing up playing Basketball the city of Chicago. Great interview
Terry Cummings, Wayman Tisdale, Orlando Woodridge, Tom Chambers, Buck Williams, Otis Thorpe, Sam Perkins, Detlef Shrempf, Frank Brickowski, Fred Roberts were very good PF's in the league who carried teams on the low. Retired ranking very high on the all time stats but no rings. But to be a Chicago legend like Darrell Walker, Craig Hodges and Tim Hardaway u are a all city legend and certified peoples champions
Kemp, Payton and Shrempf on the same team and they didn’t win at least 1 or 2 chips is insane! Seattle had the better team in ‘96 nobody can ever change my mind about that! They were the best team in the NBA!
Used to live in Chicago during the Terry Cummings/Mark Aguirre years at DePaul. I taught guitar at the Old Town School of Folk Music on Armitage. Tickets were cheap in those days. Cummings always looked like a man among boys. Those were great teams.
I love C Webbs story about Terry C holding him up with one hand.. Its on open court where the guys are talking about their personal nemesis. Great set of stories.
Back in the 70"s Terry and myself used to play ball in Maywood park every summer, when he came to visited his dad in Hammond IN. Last time i saw him we were at the Silver Dome in Pontiac Mi. Terry was amazing on the court even as kids. Love you bro. Looking good at 60
@@NadavHbr He was a scorer but he was not flamboyant or flashy in any means. Consider Dennis Rodman scoring around 22 points a game and getting 9 boards. His points were rather quiet like Time Duncan's because he was good in the post area. He was 6'9" like James Worthy and played the same positions and was more of a scorer early in his career. But he didn't have the offensive flash like Worthy, yet he scored more because of the talent level on his team.
@@olzt100 ok, sure. But at the time I remember him being considered more of an emerging star than a blue collar player, since we we usually don’t associate blue collar with players who score over 20 ppg
@@NadavHbr True, but he really had to score because of the talent around him. In a 20 year career had 7 years in which he averaged 20 or more points. But here is the telling point. He made the All-star game twice. That is the same number of times as Dennis Rodman. When I say blue-collar, I tend to mean fundamentally sound and not an athletic freak of nature. He is right in there with Tim Duncan, Larry Bird, and Karl Malone at that but was not as good. But again, that has a lot to do with who he played with. Larry Bird is the epitome of a blue-collar player and he put up numbers. www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/cummite01.html
This is great! My dad's favourite player growing up was Dr. J, although we were all Lakers fans, since my great grandfather cheered the Minneapolis Lakers and loved Elgin Baylor and Jerry West. I born in the early 80s and I remember always liking Cummings...loved those Spurs with Robinson, Cummings and Elliott. I've listened to your podcast a few times and enjoy some of the more hidden elements that don't get as much shine, feeling nostalgic, brings back memories. Cheers from Austria!.....Man Al Green and Sam Cooke are also 2 of my very favourite artists, great interview!
Man o man!!! Terry Cummings was a REAL PROBLEM! Later in life after looking at several greats, he had some LeBron before LeBron. He wasn’t extremely athletic but MAN O MAN he was skilled at 6’9! He really did everything at a high level. He had range on his jump shot, a low , mid and high post game. Really he had no weaknesses until he got older and then you could tell that all of those years of being the primary option finally caught up to him.
Great interview! Would love to see Terry do move of them. Growing up in the Chicago area in the 80's and watching Terry, Mark A, Skip D., and the guys later like Corbin and Dallas at DePaul was amazing. They were better than the Bulls at the time. Also watching other local guys like Rivers and Isaiah was arguably the best era of Chicago and Illinois high school and college basketball.
"Well spoken" ? I bet you're white😒 We never hear that term used when it comes to white people. It must be an anomaly to you to hear a black man being "well spoken". Very insulting!!!
I enjoyed watching Terry from high school on. He was a helluva all around talent who excelled at creating his own shot from anywhere on the court. He was unusual as a 6’ 9” player who had an exceptional handle in his time period with the ability to play any position on the floor. Terry was a very underrated player due to his quiet demeanor and the small market teams he played for. I have watched basketball for over 55 years and if I owned a team and had to pick one player to start my team with it would be Terry. Terry is a hall of famer both on and off the court, a true gentleman.
Old School basketball beats the modern Infantile Soft School basketball in every way - the players were better - competition was better - the game was harder with actual defense in the game - no sissy boys and woke players who turn off fans - Old School basketball played by MEN todays basketball played by little girls and whiny BOYS
@@leoderosia9279 when Larry and Magic started, basketball then was as popular as lacrosse is now basketball was in the doldrums since the 70s and there were a few diehard hoops fans but the public was more interested in football, basketball, hockey, and even WWF. NBA games would get pre-empted for other newsworthy events or sports at the time the players didnt play for much. Larry Bird set everyones head exploding by signing a 3.25 million dollar contract *for 5 years* _they just couldnt believe he got paid so much_ as a rookie Magic Johnson, not to be outdone by his rival, caused an earthquake when he revealed that he signed a 25 million dollar contract at *1 million dollars for 25 YEARS* and every doctor and scientist said the Lakers were crazy Micheal Jordan earned 550,000 as a rookie. he earned a total of 6.3 million *for seven years* back then, players werent worried about marketing thier "brand" and making as much cheddar as possible. they just played for the love of the game. the first time an NBA player earned more than 10 million dollars in one year was in 1994 when Magic came back from retirement and Jerry Buss paid him even though Magic didnt play a single game due to HIV i doubt any organization has that kind of class now. the Warriors tried it with Durant after he got injured in 2019 but Durant was too butthurt by Draymond to accept in the old days, players were grateful to just be in the league making some money. competition was more important to them than grabbing as much money as they could by any means possible (superteams) in 80s and 90s players *PLAYED* the game of basketball because they enjoyed it, something theyd rather do than actually working today players look at basketball as *WORK* , something they have to do to get big money, they dont really enjoy it
@@youboob6297 This is spot on. Players were definitely tougher and had more natural talent. I think players were better because they enjoyed playing and the standard for being a beast was much greater. Dudes now aren't as hungry anymore. What turns me off the most is that they act like celebrities. When I watch the NBA now I feel like I'm watching pop stars and movie actors, rather than normal dudes who worked hard on their game and made it.
One thing I like is that the players didn't try to be hip and professional at the same time, they were just themselves. The coaches now are trying to get brownie points by trying to act young, rather than just coaching. The players have a terrible approach to the game too. Basketball went down hill after Lebron joined the league. Basketball was great from Pistol Pete's day all the way til the early 2000s because the guards could combine the streetball with the real mechanics of basketball. If a prime Skip to my lou or J Will played in the league now they would put defenders in a blender. They think Kyrie, Harden, and Curry got handles, but they didn't see Rafer Alston before he made the league on the old VH1 tapes in the VCR. Iverson's crossover was so nasty that it got banned, but we're talking about Kyrie has the best handles ever. I understand that the Iverson crossover was considered a carry, even though his never went under the ball, it stayed on the side. It was more of a palming violation than a carry. The NBA had nerve to complain about his crossover, but allows Harden to do that double stepback, which would called a travel if anyone else did it.
@@davidhall4401 when you look at the all time greats they all have one thing in common: the desire to play the only difference between Russell and Wilt was that Russell had that desire to play and Wilt did not. Russell felt at home and in command when he was on the basketball court. he considered Boston Garden his home and his team mates his family. basketball was fun for him and he enjoyed explaining how he played to whomever would listen. this mental toughness would make him nigh unbeatable on his home court. Russell had the quiet confidence of a born leader Wilt was infamously more talented than Russell but would easily get bored of the game. one season he just decided to lead the league in assists because he said he just felt like it. he had loyalty to no team and was traded in his prime because his old teams thought they had a better chance to win without him. if you asked Wilt how he could be such a marvel on the court he couldnt explain it. Wilts mental weakness led him to be boastful about himself, which is a hallmark of all insecure people. people who are confident dont have to keep reminding people how great they are these two varyingly different attitudes best sum up thier respective success on the basketball court: Russells enthusiasm inspired his team mates to play better. he was a student of the game and knew instinctively what it took to win championships, team play not individual play Wilt was a mythical creature in the wrong sport. Wilts disdain for "lessor mortals" who could not perform as well as him led his team mates to view him with shaky confidence. they expected him to win games by himself and Wilt was of the character to try. this is not conducive to good basketball because basketball is a team sport, not an individual sport like bowling, golf, or tennis. if Wilt chose either one of those sports instead of the sport of basketball which relies on team mates playing well together, he would be GOAT of that sport, he was that good. unfortunately, he thought he could win everything by himself and this led to his team mates not playing to thier potential with Wilt on the floor the *myth* that Russell always had superteams while Wilt had to do everything by himself is a fake narrative Russsell played with 8 All Star team mates his entire career Wilt played with 10 All Star team mates for his entire career so Wilt actually had more help than Russell for thier entire careers, but Russell knew how to use his team mates better it was probably Wilt himself who started the rumour that Russell only won because he had more help while Wilt had none. Wilt also once claimed he killed a mountain lion with his bare hands and bedded 20,000 women so you have to take everything Wilt said with a grain of salt this is not a knock on Wilt. both are great, but for different reasons. one excelled in fostering a culture of success, the other excelled in proving nobody could touch his physical greatness, not even Jordan
Old school hoops are where legends were made. Terry, Mark Aguirre, Teddy Grubbs, Clyde Bradshaw. Man O man. The Chicago summer league was off the chain. Comparable to Rucker.
Bill Walton's "old" was AMAZING to watch his workout when I was 15. That Dude showed Us in camp what a real NBA player is. He did post drills for 10 minutes using the glass and DID NOT MISS ONE SHOT!!!
I think the resentment from Black guys about Bird was the hype he got and the fact that the powers that be put Bird at the top of the league and as Cummings said most of sports is sadly politics but when you listen to the guys today who played against Bird, they give him his due.
@@phade2blaq Kinda hard to not give due to Larry Bird, one of the greatest of all time, just like Eminem in HipHop and Tiger Woods in Golf. Bird’s talent/skill/stats speak for themselves! In his prime basically averaged 26, 10, 6-7 apg, 2spg, 1bpg on awesome shooting %s! Only player ever in modern day NBA post 70s ABA merger to win 3 straight MVPs (+ 4 other second place in MVPs) for a reason. Birds total stats would of been much better but said 89-92 he was mostly hurt
Respect Terry Cummings for his great taste in Music! Sam Cooke was incredible and they forgot to Mention ☝🏽 of my favourite artists ‘Donny Hathaway’.. Great interview! ✊🏽👍🏽🙏🏽
At the Alamo Dome, #34 almost ran me over coming out the locker room as I was standing outside the door. Have been a Spurs fan since the early to mid 80s. Go Spurs Go!
Really impressed how he claims that the last several years of his career, as a Reserve were truly the most enjoyable. Because he was not expected to be a star any longer. Would any other star player ever feel that way? I think it's pretty doubtful. That is humility. And it doesn't diminish his prime at all. Probably enhances it. A man at peace with himself & what he contributed.
I believe TC deserves to be in the hall of fame. His career averages aren't that impressive, but that's because he played so long after the knee injury that pushed him into a reserve role. You can't find a lot of forwards that put up the numbers he did in his prime for winning teams. He was a 21 ppg, 9 rpg guy for about a decade and had outstanding playoff numbers as well. He had a great college career also on a DePaul team that went 79-6 during his years there and was 1st team all-America. He was one of those rare stars that was willing to accept a reduced role and kept a positive attitude. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Robinson, Allen, Wilt, Oscar Robertson, and Mullin are some other names that come to mind that were all-NBA level players but later were key contributors on championship level clubs, willingly allowing someone else to be the man. Doctor J also became an elder statesman his last few years, although the team wasn't good enough to play for a title at that point. Then there's Jordan and Kobe, who killed franchises because they weren't able to accept that they weren't dominant forces anymore.
White Wisconsin Catholic kid growing up, Bucks fan. Huge Marquette n DePaul fan ... I loved Ray Meyer and DePaul on WGN ... when Terry came to my Bucks, I was so excited. Terry takes me back, loved the way HE handled himself. Loved Aguire, Cummings, Grubbs, Dilliard, Clyde Bradshaw, Bernard Randolph (Super-sub) ... midwest golden era. My Marquette Warriors Butch Lee, Bo Ellis, Jerome Whitehead, Earl Tatum, Maurice Lucas, Gary Rosenberger, Jimmy Boylan, Benrnard Toone ... just a young white kids dream. Awesome. EDIT: Almost forgot the guy I probably loved the most Coach Al McGuire ... a character of the game.
TERRY CUMMINGS! Havn't seen this guy or Sidney Moncrief in years. Cummings, Moncrief and Marques Johnson should all be recognized for their HOF - level performances. No rings, but great, great players.
I grew up in Chicago by DePaul where Terry went to college. As a kid on certain nights we use to walk to Alumni Hall because they would let us swim in the pool and afterwards we would watch the basketball team practice from the hallway through the gym doors. I remember seeing Coach Meyer, Mark Aguirre, Terry, and the rest of the team. Everyone in the neighborhood followed the Blue Demons, especially since in1980 they had such a magical run. The first time I ever saw Mr. Cummings I remember being at Roma’s which was a little corner restaurant. Standing at the register with my family as we were waiting to pay, someone walked up and stood next to me. I happened to be looking down at the ground and the first thing I noticed were these huge feet with flip flops on and, if I remember correctly, they either had Cummings written on them or DePaul. As I looked up to see who’s they were, next to me was the biggest man I had ever seen, he was like a giant! It was Terry Cummings. He looked down and said “hey little man” and smiled and gave me a high five. 🖐🏻 I was a 7 or 8 years old at the time and all of maybe 3 and a half feet tall. All these years later, I still remember that day and how nice of a guy he was. It’s great to see that he hasn’t changed. Terry is the consummate professional, intelligent, and all class. He is class personified. 👍🏻
As a 50-year-old, it’s pretty funny to me that Larry Bird is the first player the interviewer mentions after he asks Terry if there was only one who turned out to be better than he thought they were going to be when he came into the league in 82-83. By 82, ALL basketball fans knew how awesome Bird was. Sure there was no social media at the time, But everybody knew about bird by his senior year in college (The Celtics had even drafted him after his junior year knowing they would have to wait a year before he joined them). By 82, he had at least been to the conference finals in his first three seasons, and the Celtics had won the championship in 81, and it seemed like the Celtics were on national TV on CBS every Sunday, so no player or fan in 1982 would’ve been surprised to see how good he was. I think only people way younger than me, who weren’t Old enough to have seen him the first time around, are surprised to find out how good he is when they watch videos of him first time. The interviewer mentioning Bird in this context is as laughable to us older folks as if he had said Magic Johnson. Lol Also, nobody cares about what number Terry wore... that should not be one of the first questions that was asked, and probably did not need to be asked at all. Otherwise, pretty good interview... got some good insights, especially the stuff about Rodman.👍
@@leoderosia9279 Exactly! Anybody didn’t know how good Bird was by 1982 must’ve been living under a rock. Now, the answer that Cummings have, Clark Kellogg, that was a good answer.
I thought this is easily the best interview I've ever heard Sean David do. Terry Cummings is a very interesting brother. But I'd love to ask Sean what it's like living as a black man in Germany. Maybe he can do a video on that
From my neighborhood, the far south side of Chicago, the Wild 100's. As a kid saw him in the park, a nice guy, strong, and could shoot a jumper. He brought David Robinson around the way one day.
Yeah SEAN, man, Cummings was one bad mother, seriously, so true long and strong, could jump, nobody could push him around, but the difference was he could shoot a long J or go right to the hole with authority. Very good point, before his time. ONly thing that stopped him cold was the darn injuries..... And man, hadn't thought of Clark Kellogg in a while, he WAS really good
Special K was the truth in the early '80s I'm from Columbus,Oh. I have relatives who went to school with him. Also Herb Williams was a good player before he backed up Ewing.
This is my first time ever hearing Terry Cummings speak. Terry Cummings was part of the best Highschool classes in basketball history. Isiah Thomas Terry Cummings Teddy Grubbs Mark Aguirre Eddy Johnson and I'm forgetting someone.
He would show out when he came home to Chicago. Check out his games visiting his hometown. I believe all athletes perform on another level in their hometown.
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Played high school basketball against him. He was a beast. I met him years later at the local zoo in Chicago after his retirement. He was with his kids as was I. An ordained minister and true gentleman
Always liked Terry Cummings. High character and underrated player.
I agree...there was something about Cummings I liked watching him play. I can't quantify it in words but people like Cummings, Sean Elliott and Grant Hill were just enjoyable for me to watch play
I agree he was very underrated.
Yes very underrated and smooth
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Terry is like Rod Strickland. No one remembers this guy but he was the real deal!
Facts , both from Illinois as well.
FACTS!!!!
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Strick is NY....Bronx I think...
Was part of the start of that trend of basketball factories....Oak Hill
Like Paul Westphal
Strickland in Portland🤔
I saw some great future NBA All-Stars play when they were in high school here in Chicago like Isiah Thomas, Mark Aguirre, and Terry Cummings when he played for Carver H.S.
The Cummings-Aguirre combo when they played at DePaul was a killer.
Great interview Chicago's Own Terry Cummings aka preacher Man was a walking Bucket and clutch a straight Beast! Handles a jump shot and a Low Post Game rebound and tough as nails
TC was the Rookie of the Year, and made a couple of all-star teams. In his prime years he was about 20 ppg 9 rpg, solid numbers!
He was that DUDE coming out of depaul!!
I'm from the west side of da chi and i grew up with his cousins where he used to play ball at the parks. TC is a cool dude. They dnt know how he used to give Chicago fits in Milwaukee and a show whenever he came home to play. He knew his people were watching him.
Craig Hodges
Darrel walker
Mark Aguirre
Doc rivers
Isaiah Thomas
Are all from the west side of Chicago and in the same era. We produce players here.
@@challiewallie4023 I'm from the South Side and I know TC was that dude in college and the Pros. You are correct he gave the Bulls that work on those games. I agree 💯 percent our city produces some great hoopers some make the pros & some Don't.
Terry's looking GREAT at 59 !!
Definitely underrated!!
Man, what a legend.... respect to Terry Cummings.
I remember Terry Cummings from the 80s he was on the spurs, with rod Strickland, David Robinson sean Elliott and willie Andersen they had a squad!
Yup I remember those days in the old hemisphere arena
Milwaukee he was really nice
Now this guy is a forgotten star. Not Nique. Everyone remembers Nique. And Terry was probably always a bit underrated.
Cummings was a real baller. And when he played, everybody in league respected his talent.
Nah everyone doesn’t remember Nique, everyone thinks Pippen is better and he is NOT!!!!
@@mannyneva1760 I'll take Pip. Nique was a better shooter & scorer. But it ends there. Pippen did far more in all areas on both ends.
@@Amick44 true, but MJ was definitely an influence on his development.
@@lewis20002000 no doubt.
One of my all time favorite B- Ball players. Had the privilege of having a conversation with him in Cleveland when he was with the Knicks. Very humble and sincere. Great guy.
I still remember him in college playing with Mark aquire...
That was a great squad. I even got a DePaul jacket by Champion clothing line just because of him and Aquire
Aguire the freshman killing UCLA
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Great interview with a living legend. I remember watching Cummings play for DePaul on Saturday afternoons on NBC in the early 80s. 🦚🏀
Great chat with one of my favorite players from the 80s. Loved Cummings and the way he played.
TC was Rookie of the Year and had a great, iconic cover on Sports Illustrated. I saw him play 1 or 2 years at DePaul. He was TOUGH and extremely skilled.
Very Classy Guy, he explained the politics of the game perfectly and one of My favorite players as a kid, Its Something about Growing up playing Basketball the city of Chicago. Great interview
I’m a bucks fan from Milwaukee and I loved TC
He was old by the time he came to the Knicks in 1998, but I loved his grit and toughness.
Bruh was a beast, even at DePaul.
Terry was a solid player, both physically and game wise. Definitely doesn’t get the respect and narrative that some other former players.
It's a shame that TC doesn't get his props. Very versatile forward could play 4 or 3.
Terry Cummings, Wayman Tisdale, Orlando Woodridge, Tom Chambers, Buck Williams, Otis Thorpe, Sam Perkins, Detlef Shrempf, Frank Brickowski, Fred Roberts were very good PF's in the league who carried teams on the low. Retired ranking very high on the all time stats but no rings. But to be a Chicago legend like Darrell Walker, Craig Hodges and Tim Hardaway u are a all city legend and certified peoples champions
Great fricken list of players!!! 🍸
Kemp, Payton and Shrempf on the same team and they didn’t win at least 1 or 2 chips is insane! Seattle had the better team in ‘96 nobody can ever change my mind about that! They were the best team in the NBA!
Thanks for this Sean...love your interviews with these all time legends!!!
I'm aware he was a very good player but I didn't know he was considered a legend
@@clydetheglidetop5sgtop10du7 nah...but Sean did however interview people like Dominique...
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Always liked Terry! Talk about underrated
I use to play in the Terry Cummings VIC summer tournament at Carver HS in Chicago. He's done a ton for the community. What a great man!
Great interview. Great player. Thoroughly enjoyed watching Terry Cumming play.
This channel is amazing, especially if your era is the 80s-90s like me.
Terry is a old school NBA pro....I miss the 70s and esp 80s , Celtic fan
Criminally underrated as a player. Great interview.
Cummins was a great player, this was an insightful interview!
Cummings was a beast and doesn't get his due.
Used to live in Chicago during the Terry Cummings/Mark Aguirre years at DePaul. I taught guitar at the Old Town School of Folk Music on Armitage. Tickets were cheap in those days. Cummings always looked like a man among boys. Those were great teams.
I love C Webbs story about Terry C holding him up with one hand.. Its on open court where the guys are talking about their personal nemesis. Great set of stories.
Back in the 70"s Terry and myself used to play ball in Maywood park every summer, when he came to visited his dad in Hammond IN. Last time i saw him we were at the Silver Dome in Pontiac Mi. Terry was amazing on the court even as kids. Love you bro. Looking good at 60
I remember Terry Cummings and David Robinson making music on and off the court. Good times.
And please do not forget Wayman Tisdale, again please.
Yes Sir.
Great interview...such an intelligent, thoughtful and articulate gentleman...and boy what a player!
I think Terry Cummings was really underrated
I remember him preaching at a church in Atl back in the day 🙏🏿 great guy
Try to get Bill Laimbeer on your show and please ask him Kevin McHale/Boston Celtics questions.
Terry Cummings insight and feed is beyond what I expected..really onpoint and real about the truth of sports ....
One of the best interviews you have had! Even more respect for Terry after watching this interview. Excellent!!
One of my personal favorite players coming up in the 80's and 90's
Terry Cummings was a solid blue-collar type of player that was consistent.
And those DePaul teams he played on back then were good too.
In his later years. His first years he was much more than blue collar
@@NadavHbr He was a scorer but he was not flamboyant or flashy in any means. Consider Dennis Rodman scoring around 22 points a game and getting 9 boards. His points were rather quiet like Time Duncan's because he was good in the post area. He was 6'9" like James Worthy and played the same positions and was more of a scorer early in his career. But he didn't have the offensive flash like Worthy, yet he scored more because of the talent level on his team.
@@olzt100 ok, sure. But at the time I remember him being considered more of an emerging star than a blue collar player, since we we usually don’t associate blue collar with players who score over 20 ppg
@@NadavHbr True, but he really had to score because of the talent around him. In a 20 year career had 7 years in which he averaged 20 or more points. But here is the telling point. He made the All-star game twice. That is the same number of times as Dennis Rodman. When I say blue-collar, I tend to mean fundamentally sound and not an athletic freak of nature. He is right in there with Tim Duncan, Larry Bird, and Karl Malone at that but was not as good. But again, that has a lot to do with who he played with. Larry Bird is the epitome of a blue-collar player and he put up numbers.
www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/cummite01.html
Terry Cummings and Sam Perkins come to mind often, as unsung and under rated, if you want to use the word. They were both consistently great.
Only 122k subs and interviewing celebs? Goat move.
i love this player, I love Milwaukee in the 80s, I follow Jack Sigma , playing back to the net!!!
This is great! My dad's favourite player growing up was Dr. J, although we were all Lakers fans, since my great grandfather cheered the Minneapolis Lakers and loved Elgin Baylor and Jerry West. I born in the early 80s and I remember always liking Cummings...loved those Spurs with Robinson, Cummings and Elliott. I've listened to your podcast a few times and enjoy some of the more hidden elements that don't get as much shine, feeling nostalgic, brings back memories. Cheers from Austria!.....Man Al Green and Sam Cooke are also 2 of my very favourite artists, great interview!
Man o man!!! Terry Cummings was a REAL PROBLEM! Later in life after looking at several greats, he had some LeBron before LeBron. He wasn’t extremely athletic but MAN O MAN he was skilled at 6’9! He really did everything at a high level. He had range on his jump shot, a low , mid and high post game. Really he had no weaknesses until he got older and then you could tell that all of those years of being the primary option finally caught up to him.
Terry interviewed very well. Polite and informative. He was right about Clark Kellog. He just couldn't get by injuries.
Great interview! Would love to see Terry do move of them. Growing up in the Chicago area in the 80's and watching Terry, Mark A, Skip D., and the guys later like Corbin and Dallas at DePaul was amazing. They were better than the Bulls at the time. Also watching other local guys like Rivers and Isaiah was arguably the best era of Chicago and Illinois high school and college basketball.
Intelligent well spoken dude!!!
"Well spoken" ? I bet you're white😒 We never hear that term used when it comes to white people. It must be an anomaly to you to hear a black man being "well spoken". Very insulting!!!
Terry Cummings was tough ,and was a great all-around player, very underrated in my opinion.
I enjoyed watching Terry from high school on. He was a helluva all around talent who excelled at creating his own shot from anywhere on the court. He was unusual as a 6’ 9” player who had an exceptional handle in his time period with the ability to play any position on the floor. Terry was a very underrated player due to his quiet demeanor and the small market teams he played for. I have watched basketball for over 55 years and if I owned a team and had to pick one player to start my team with it would be Terry. Terry is a hall of famer both on and off the court, a true gentleman.
T.C. one of the all time most underated nba players og all time. Very Hard working under appreciated STAR.
So good to see Terry doing well after his NBA career.
Very tough and man of great faith!
Another great interview with good questions. Always very interesting thanks 🙏
Old School basketball beats the modern Infantile Soft School basketball in every way
- the players were better
- competition was better
- the game was harder with actual defense in the game
- no sissy boys and woke players who turn off fans
- Old School basketball played by MEN todays basketball played by little girls and whiny BOYS
I do not know if players were better but they were tougher , team oriented and much more professional on the court...I really miss the old NBA.
@@leoderosia9279 when Larry and Magic started, basketball then was as popular as lacrosse is now
basketball was in the doldrums since the 70s and there were a few diehard hoops fans but the public was more interested in football, basketball, hockey, and even WWF. NBA games would get pre-empted for other newsworthy events or sports at the time
the players didnt play for much. Larry Bird set everyones head exploding by signing a 3.25 million dollar contract *for 5 years* _they just couldnt believe he got paid so much_ as a rookie
Magic Johnson, not to be outdone by his rival, caused an earthquake when he revealed that he signed a 25 million dollar contract at *1 million dollars for 25 YEARS* and every doctor and scientist said the Lakers were crazy
Micheal Jordan earned 550,000 as a rookie. he earned a total of 6.3 million *for seven years*
back then, players werent worried about marketing thier "brand" and making as much cheddar as possible. they just played for the love of the game. the first time an NBA player earned more than 10 million dollars in one year was in 1994 when Magic came back from retirement and Jerry Buss paid him even though Magic didnt play a single game due to HIV
i doubt any organization has that kind of class now. the Warriors tried it with Durant after he got injured in 2019 but Durant was too butthurt by Draymond to accept
in the old days, players were grateful to just be in the league making some money. competition was more important to them than grabbing as much money as they could by any means possible (superteams)
in 80s and 90s players *PLAYED* the game of basketball because they enjoyed it, something theyd rather do than actually working
today players look at basketball as *WORK* , something they have to do to get big money, they dont really enjoy it
@@youboob6297 This is spot on. Players were definitely tougher and had more natural talent. I think players were better because they enjoyed playing and the standard for being a beast was much greater. Dudes now aren't as hungry anymore. What turns me off the most is that they act like celebrities. When I watch the NBA now I feel like I'm watching pop stars and movie actors, rather than normal dudes who worked hard on their game and made it.
One thing I like is that the players didn't try to be hip and professional at the same time, they were just themselves. The coaches now are trying to get brownie points by trying to act young, rather than just coaching. The players have a terrible approach to the game too. Basketball went down hill after Lebron joined the league. Basketball was great from Pistol Pete's day all the way til the early 2000s because the guards could combine the streetball with the real mechanics of basketball. If a prime Skip to my lou or J Will played in the league now they would put defenders in a blender. They think Kyrie, Harden, and Curry got handles, but they didn't see Rafer Alston before he made the league on the old VH1 tapes in the VCR. Iverson's crossover was so nasty that it got banned, but we're talking about Kyrie has the best handles ever. I understand that the Iverson crossover was considered a carry, even though his never went under the ball, it stayed on the side. It was more of a palming violation than a carry. The NBA had nerve to complain about his crossover, but allows Harden to do that double stepback, which would called a travel if anyone else did it.
@@davidhall4401 when you look at the all time greats they all have one thing in common: the desire to play
the only difference between Russell and Wilt was that Russell had that desire to play and Wilt did not. Russell felt at home and in command when he was on the basketball court. he considered Boston Garden his home and his team mates his family. basketball was fun for him and he enjoyed explaining how he played to whomever would listen. this mental toughness would make him nigh unbeatable on his home court. Russell had the quiet confidence of a born leader
Wilt was infamously more talented than Russell but would easily get bored of the game. one season he just decided to lead the league in assists because he said he just felt like it. he had loyalty to no team and was traded in his prime because his old teams thought they had a better chance to win without him. if you asked Wilt how he could be such a marvel on the court he couldnt explain it. Wilts mental weakness led him to be boastful about himself, which is a hallmark of all insecure people. people who are confident dont have to keep reminding people how great they are
these two varyingly different attitudes best sum up thier respective success on the basketball court:
Russells enthusiasm inspired his team mates to play better. he was a student of the game and knew instinctively what it took to win championships, team play not individual play
Wilt was a mythical creature in the wrong sport. Wilts disdain for "lessor mortals" who could not perform as well as him led his team mates to view him with shaky confidence. they expected him to win games by himself and Wilt was of the character to try. this is not conducive to good basketball because basketball is a team sport, not an individual sport like bowling, golf, or tennis. if Wilt chose either one of those sports instead of the sport of basketball which relies on team mates playing well together, he would be GOAT of that sport, he was that good. unfortunately, he thought he could win everything by himself and this led to his team mates not playing to thier potential with Wilt on the floor
the *myth* that Russell always had superteams while Wilt had to do everything by himself is a fake narrative
Russsell played with 8 All Star team mates his entire career
Wilt played with 10 All Star team mates for his entire career
so Wilt actually had more help than Russell for thier entire careers, but Russell knew how to use his team mates better
it was probably Wilt himself who started the rumour that Russell only won because he had more help while Wilt had none. Wilt also once claimed he killed a mountain lion with his bare hands and bedded 20,000 women so you have to take everything Wilt said with a grain of salt
this is not a knock on Wilt. both are great, but for different reasons. one excelled in fostering a culture of success, the other excelled in proving nobody could touch his physical greatness, not even Jordan
Terry Cummings was a beast. Love his demeanor as a person. ChiTown Salute!!
Cummings was very good, looks like he can still lace them up
Much love from Slovakia, great interview and that music segment was awesome, great taste.
Chris Webber has a great story about angering "Preacher Man"
I got a good laugh off that story. The young buck (Webber) got a taste of that old man strength.
TC- "Don't do that young man".
CW - His hand was like a vise. Grown man strenght.
Are you a fan of Scriabin?
@@anibalesco1855 Definitely!
Immediately came to mind
Old school hoops are where legends were made. Terry, Mark Aguirre, Teddy Grubbs, Clyde Bradshaw. Man O man. The Chicago summer league was off the chain. Comparable to Rucker.
Wasn't Gary Garland on that team???
I'm a Terry Cummings fan . Always liked his style of play at PF . At one time he was the best PF of his time .
He was honest about the game and Larry Bird, He was a player no matter his ethnicity.
Bill Walton's "old" was AMAZING to watch his workout when I was 15. That Dude showed Us in camp what a real NBA player is. He did post drills for 10 minutes using the glass and DID NOT MISS ONE SHOT!!!
Ask a lot of players, they say Larry didn't have a color
Bill Walton had game, the 76 and 77 seasons he was one of the best big men,a MVP,and champion. Too bad he stayed hurt.
I think the resentment from Black guys about Bird was the hype he got and the fact that the powers that be put Bird at the top of the league and as Cummings said most of sports is sadly politics but when you listen to the guys today who played against Bird, they give him his due.
@@phade2blaq Kinda hard to not give due to Larry Bird, one of the greatest of all time, just like Eminem in HipHop and Tiger Woods in Golf. Bird’s talent/skill/stats speak for themselves! In his prime basically averaged 26, 10, 6-7 apg, 2spg, 1bpg on awesome shooting %s! Only player ever in modern day NBA post 70s ABA merger to win 3 straight MVPs (+ 4 other second place in MVPs) for a reason. Birds total stats would of been much better but said 89-92 he was mostly hurt
Slept on a real baller in every sense of the word!! Great player!!
Great interview, again. What great insights. Respect
What a super class player! thanks for contents like this
Terry Cummings, Church of God in Christ (COGIC) brutha, c/o ‘79
The Preacher! I was at the Operation Push game he mentioned in Gary, Indiana. Great day it was
Respect Terry Cummings for his great taste in Music! Sam Cooke was incredible and they forgot to Mention ☝🏽 of my favourite artists ‘Donny Hathaway’.. Great interview! ✊🏽👍🏽🙏🏽
At the Alamo Dome, #34 almost ran me over coming out the locker room as I was standing outside the door. Have been a Spurs fan since the early to mid 80s. Go Spurs Go!
Great interview!!
Awesome interview!👏🏾👍🏽💯
greetz from germany,love watchin ya
Terry Cummings = consistency in all areas as a professional basketball player.
Great TC-Good job Shawn- Old school just got that right swag!!!
Really impressed how he claims that the last several years of his career, as a Reserve were truly the most enjoyable. Because he was not expected to be a star any longer. Would any other star player ever feel that way? I think it's pretty doubtful. That is humility. And it doesn't diminish his prime at all. Probably enhances it. A man at peace with himself & what he contributed.
Don't hold your breath. You might get something close from Ray Allen and David Robinson, two guys that were not coaching nightmares or ball divas.
I believe TC deserves to be in the hall of fame. His career averages aren't that impressive, but that's because he played so long after the knee injury that pushed him into a reserve role. You can't find a lot of forwards that put up the numbers he did in his prime for winning teams. He was a 21 ppg, 9 rpg guy for about a decade and had outstanding playoff numbers as well. He had a great college career also on a DePaul team that went 79-6 during his years there and was 1st team all-America.
He was one of those rare stars that was willing to accept a reduced role and kept a positive attitude. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Robinson, Allen, Wilt, Oscar Robertson, and Mullin are some other names that come to mind that were all-NBA level players but later were key contributors on championship level clubs, willingly allowing someone else to be the man. Doctor J also became an elder statesman his last few years, although the team wasn't good enough to play for a title at that point. Then there's Jordan and Kobe, who killed franchises because they weren't able to accept that they weren't dominant forces anymore.
Great interviewer. GREAT player. Great job.
All the best for |Terry Cummings - one of the underrated player if he had no ACL injury :( i like when he play for Spurs and Warriors
White Wisconsin Catholic kid growing up, Bucks fan. Huge Marquette n DePaul fan ... I loved Ray Meyer and DePaul on WGN ... when Terry came to my Bucks, I was so excited. Terry takes me back, loved the way HE handled himself.
Loved Aguire, Cummings, Grubbs, Dilliard, Clyde Bradshaw, Bernard Randolph (Super-sub) ... midwest golden era. My Marquette Warriors Butch Lee, Bo Ellis, Jerome Whitehead, Earl Tatum, Maurice Lucas, Gary Rosenberger, Jimmy Boylan, Benrnard Toone ... just a young white kids dream. Awesome.
EDIT: Almost forgot the guy I probably loved the most Coach Al McGuire ... a character of the game.
TERRY CUMMINGS! Havn't seen this guy or Sidney Moncrief in years. Cummings, Moncrief and Marques Johnson should all be recognized for their HOF - level performances. No rings, but great, great players.
I grew up in Chicago by DePaul where Terry went to college. As a kid on certain nights we use to walk to Alumni Hall because they would let us swim in the pool and afterwards we would watch the basketball team practice from the hallway through the gym doors. I remember seeing Coach Meyer, Mark Aguirre, Terry, and the rest of the team. Everyone in the neighborhood followed the Blue Demons, especially since in1980 they had such a magical run. The first time I ever saw Mr. Cummings I remember being at Roma’s which was a little corner restaurant. Standing at the register with my family as we were waiting to pay, someone walked up and stood next to me. I happened to be looking down at the ground and the first thing I noticed were these huge feet with flip flops on and, if I remember correctly, they either had Cummings written on them or DePaul. As I looked up to see who’s they were, next to me was the biggest man I had ever seen, he was like a giant! It was Terry Cummings. He looked down and said “hey little man” and smiled and gave me a high five. 🖐🏻 I was a 7 or 8 years old at the time and all of maybe 3 and a half feet tall. All these years later, I still remember that day and how nice of a guy he was. It’s great to see that he hasn’t changed. Terry is the consummate professional, intelligent, and all class. He is class personified. 👍🏻
Terry Cummings was a great basketball, and always a class act.
As a 50-year-old, it’s pretty funny to me that Larry Bird is the first player the interviewer mentions after he asks Terry if there was only one who turned out to be better than he thought they were going to be when he came into the league in 82-83. By 82, ALL basketball fans knew how awesome Bird was. Sure there was no social media at the time, But everybody knew about bird by his senior year in college (The Celtics had even drafted him after his junior year knowing they would have to wait a year before he joined them). By 82, he had at least been to the conference finals in his first three seasons, and the Celtics had won the championship in 81, and it seemed like the Celtics were on national TV on CBS every Sunday, so no player or fan in 1982 would’ve been surprised to see how good he was. I think only people way younger than me, who weren’t Old enough to have seen him the first time around, are surprised to find out how good he is when they watch videos of him first time. The interviewer mentioning Bird in this context is as laughable to us older folks as if he had said Magic Johnson. Lol
Also, nobody cares about what number Terry wore... that should not be one of the first questions that was asked, and probably did not need to be asked at all.
Otherwise, pretty good interview... got some good insights, especially the stuff about Rodman.👍
I meant to say “anyone”, not “only one”.
Celtic fan here, bird was a Legend in college and pros
@@leoderosia9279 Exactly! Anybody didn’t know how good Bird was by 1982 must’ve been living under a rock. Now, the answer that Cummings have, Clark Kellogg, that was a good answer.
I thought this is easily the best interview I've ever heard Sean David do. Terry Cummings is a very interesting brother. But I'd love to ask Sean what it's like living as a black man in Germany. Maybe he can do a video on that
Oh God
From my neighborhood, the far south side of Chicago, the Wild 100's. As a kid saw him in the park, a nice guy, strong, and could shoot a jumper. He brought David Robinson around the way one day.
As a child, loved those 80's DePaul teams starring T.C., Aguirre, Dillard, Kenny Patterson, Tony Jackson, Corbin, Kevin Edwards, Strickland...
Cummings was a beast
he made some good interesting points about the politics in basketball I remember Watching Terry Play Back in the Day good interview keep it up David
this channel is awesome . so many memories watching these legends. Love how Terry carries himself. Do you have a btm ig bro
found it :)💪
Yeah SEAN, man, Cummings was one bad mother, seriously, so true long and strong, could jump, nobody could push him around, but the difference was he could shoot a long J or go right to the hole with authority. Very good point, before his time. ONly thing that stopped him cold was the darn injuries..... And man, hadn't thought of Clark Kellogg in a while, he WAS really good
Special K was the truth in the early '80s I'm from Columbus,Oh. I have relatives who went to school with him. Also Herb Williams was a good player before he backed up Ewing.
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Herb was tough with the Pacers and Bucks
@@edscottable Yes,he was a legit starter in Indiana. My dad knows both Kellogg and Williams.
Sean needs more subs man
My last name is Cummings I think we are related from my grandfather Clint Cummings his family was from Mississippi and Michigan.
Terry was my favorite Bucks player back in the day
This is my first time ever hearing Terry Cummings speak.
Terry Cummings was part of the best Highschool classes in basketball history.
Isiah Thomas
Terry Cummings
Teddy Grubbs
Mark Aguirre
Eddy Johnson
and I'm forgetting someone.
Hell yeah TC was cold as hell, gave the bulls major problems in 1980’s !!! Damn I miss those real years !!!
He would show out when he came home to Chicago. Check out his games visiting his hometown. I believe all athletes perform on another level in their hometown.
Great way to spend an afternoon.
Hell of a forward in the NBA. Also a real nice singing voice.
Important when he said it’s the level of competition at your position and era that determines your greatness
Ach, guck ma an ... Deutschland! Geiler Kanal. Keep going. I really enjoy your content.
Good player. Even better man!