Aired on Northern Irish television during The Troubles. Personally I think this is one of the best examples of using the media to battle terrorism rather than fuelling the fire.
Great video, I remember this being on TV. Shame so many bigoted comments on here, a lot from people who are probably too young to remember how awful Northern Ireland was during the troubles. It wasn't just the threat of violence, it was the effect on the economy etc, it was grim, and if you want to live in a country like that move to Afghanistan and leave the rest of us who appreciate how relatively good things are now to enjoy it.
I'm too young to remember how awful Northern Ireland was during the troubles. I was born in 1997. But then again, I'm not Northern Irish either, but I am still glad that I was born free of this conflict anyway as a citizen of the UK, if you consider the 2nd IRA ceasefire in 1996, to be the end of full-out conflict. Many Northern Irish civilians, both catholic and protestant didn't agree or affiliate with the 2 terrorist groups, the IRA or the UDA. And I can definitely say that you're absolutely right, gingermarauder. Did you grew in Northern Ireland by the way?
I think I only ever saw this once on TV and the message was so strong that it always stuck with me. It's so powerful and I really hope it made many men see what they were doing and realise how many people were getting hurt. And I think its irrespective of what side they were on, and I think thats the point.
About the end of the advertisement as Sonny's coffin lid gets closed: I guess all I can say is what goes around comes around. His father was a contract killer and son was a contract killer; it was going to catch up to him one way or another; so he was killed.
I remember watching this on UTV- and bringing a friend over from England who couldn't believe what he was seeing. Sh*t like this is why I left Northern Ireland in the first place and have never gone back- apart from to visit family.
In one of my units we have the theme of terrorism. I'll use this video and ask my students to establish a connection between the words and the video. Quite a haunting video!
@@markdixey3180 this is one of my old RUclips channels and I can't remember the password these days. I hope you guys get a lot from it. It really is a very haunting reminder of the recent past
im 13 and we had to watch this in english one time and my cousin was just after been burried and this made me cry because a cousin of mine died in the troubles, its very touching and heartbreaking
yeah his son ended up the same as the dad only instead of going to jail he got shot dead. history repeating itself. he wanted to be like his dad growing up but died because of it. This was on the tv when i was 10 years old. always remembered it. A year later there was a ceasefire in northern ireland which remains till this day.
@@glenross9467yup. Remember that time well and Imwas in the Republic so as close as I was to the border it still didn't really affect us.. although we always knew there were hidden RA camps all over the place nearby, also knew that was something you just kept your nose out of!
@@Praetorian8814 What they don't tell you is the person who killed the son was he kid from the stairs; after witnessing his father killed right in front of him when he was a kid, he grew up, old enough to hold take up a gun, and then tracked down and killed the son.....avenging his father. Pure cycle of what goes around comes around.
@@user-jl2ko1eo5i I didn't realize that, but that makes sense and is more symbolic of the vicious cycle. They didn't really age him or the dad up past that point to convey that though, so I figured the son died in an unrelated firefight/assassination, or maybe the kid identified him to authorities or to the UVF/PIRA. But I like the idea of the kid growing up and taking up arms for revenge, as I'm sure that happened quite a lot sadly...
Oh i remember this on TV.. in the Republic. Not sure if it was on UTV or RTE .. we could get both. Was a powerful ad. I was only a kid when it came out but I've never forgotten it, the moustached Daddy in the phonebox, the coffin part. It definitely left a bif impression on pwople . I always think lf this ad when I hear the song.
N.Ireland is my home always go down to belfast regular and the people are lovely I went to a mixed school in darkley had shooting in a church bomb going off on the keady road close to my home such sad time's
No sweat. I don't know if a similar film can be made as effectively for our current situation, I guess it's different. Ultimately this kind of stuff helped with the Northern Ireland troubles. Now, thankfully they are dying down. Saying that... a 600 pound bomb was defused the other day in South Armagh so it still exists.
This made me cry for real. This is just incredible. I am absolutely on the Irish side in this conflict but when the guns are discussing, satan wins the debate.
No mate. It was written way back. It's called 'Cats In The Cradle'.. It's been done by Cat Stevens, Guns 'n' Roses and others. I think the makers of the ad just chose to make a film to this version of the music
Yeah I remember seing this as a kid and it's stayed with me ever since. I went to school in Northern Ireland and now I stay there with my Mother during holidays and see my friends from there. Peoples attitudes have changed, but I have still ran into people who harbour hatred for Britain (and therefore me) because of what has happened in the past. This kind of work helps to stop that
No way shape or form would The Late Harry Chapin have approved of this; no way no how......he was a peaceful loving kind man, not a man to support terrorism which is all this ad is about.
I guess the Northern Irish were a bit different. I have friends who have sympathy for the IRA and friends who despise them. As friends I have no more or less respect for them due to their beliefs. 'The Troubles' wasn't about religion at the end of the day... it was land. I think the Islamist extremists believe it's a religious war, whereas most Westerners would say (whether they support the war or not) that's it's simply a war on terror. Religion usually gets dragged into wars
In an Irish context the media neither fueled nor fed off of terrorism, such a reading of the situation is woefully misguided. Censorship both north and south of the border, and anti-republican bias in the press, ensured that the IRA were consistently delegitimized and dehumanised. When news media covered their violent actions, they were presented without context or an exploration of motivating factors. As noted below, the PIRA targeted what they perceived to be legitimate targets--politicians, soldiers, touts. Figures vary as to how many victims of the Provos were innocent victims, but all reports suggest that it was a minority. The same cannot be said for the British Army, however, who, throughout Operation Banner, killed a majority of innocent civilians. Adverts like this do nothing but bolster the British government's (false) narrative that the IRA are solely to blame for the violence, and overlooks the fact that paramilitaries do not abound from a vacuum: that they are products of their environment and are socially conditioned; and in this case were the contagion effect of piss-poor treatment from the British government. The Brits planted the seeds of the Provos, something that they could not reconcile. So they labelled them as terrorist: I am of the opinion that if you are to label the Provos are terrorist, then you must also label the Brits as terrorists. The difference being however, that while the IRA were partaking in small-scale'terrorism', the Brits were engaged in the wholesale, state-sanctioned violent oppression of a sect of society which it claimed to represent, but in reality had no mandate to do so. The retail political violence of the IRA, which they used to further a just cause will always be more justifiable than the wholesale terror enacted by the Brits.
But either way, killing innocent people, including those who had nothing to do with the Ulster Loyalists is wrong. And the same applies to the UDA, who killed innocent people, including those who had nothing to do with Irish Republicans in Ulster. Both terrorist Groups were cruel and had the wrong principles. I'm glad that you don't get this mistrust between Protestants and Catholics in Britain anymore for I've never mistrusted any Catholic or Orthodox, Jew or anybody of any religion. You said, " Adverts like this do nothing but bolster the British government's (false) narrative that the IRA are solely to blame for the violence ". You're probably right there, especially as this was before any of the 2 ceasefires in 1994 and 1996. But the message is right to not fuel the fire and battle terrorism. But although there is still mistrust between the 2 categories of Christianity on the scale of Northern Ireland, at least there no longer killings of innocent people, who just want to get on with their lives and don't mind whether you're a protestant or catholic.
Don't talk rubbish. La Mon bombing, enniskillen, shankill bombing, kingsmill. There just off the top of my head. Ira were involved in mindless killing.
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Growing up in Belfast this was a powerful advert, i knew people who followed in their fathers footsteps just like the guy in the advert
It was Harry Chapin's song alright, but it was re-recorded for this ad. Shot in and around Glasgow. I was the producer.
Excuse me sir. Can you let me know Who the guy sing this song. I really want to know. Thnks.
I don't think Harry would have approved.
Love this version of the song
This brings back memories
Great video, I remember this being on TV. Shame so many bigoted comments on here, a lot from people who are probably too young to remember how awful Northern Ireland was during the troubles. It wasn't just the threat of violence, it was the effect on the economy etc, it was grim, and if you want to live in a country like that move to Afghanistan and leave the rest of us who appreciate how relatively good things are now to enjoy it.
I'm too young to remember how awful Northern Ireland was during the troubles. I was born in 1997. But then again, I'm not Northern Irish either, but I am still glad that I was born free of this conflict anyway as a citizen of the UK, if you consider the 2nd IRA ceasefire in 1996, to be the end of full-out conflict.
Many Northern Irish civilians, both catholic and protestant didn't agree or affiliate with the 2 terrorist groups, the IRA or the UDA.
And I can definitely say that you're absolutely right, gingermarauder. Did you grew in Northern Ireland by the way?
Ain't afgans fault big sams
Being from Northern Ireland I remember this
I think I only ever saw this once on TV and the message was so strong that it always stuck with me. It's so powerful and I really hope it made many men see what they were doing and realise how many people were getting hurt.
And I think its irrespective of what side they were on, and I think thats the point.
Never forget watching this as an 8yr old child when the troubles were still on. Gave me nightmares
About the end of the advertisement as Sonny's coffin lid gets closed: I guess all I can say is what goes around comes around. His father was a contract killer and son was a contract killer; it was going to catch up to him one way or another; so he was killed.
I remember watching this on UTV- and bringing a friend over from England who couldn't believe what he was seeing.
Sh*t like this is why I left Northern Ireland in the first place and have never gone back- apart from to visit family.
Used to scare the tripe outta me as a kid!
Yeah I always got the chills when I saw this advert. Come to mention it, the song is really effective in the film
In one of my units we have the theme of terrorism. I'll use this video and ask my students to establish a connection between the words and the video. Quite a haunting video!
@@markdixey3180 nice one mate.
@@markdixey3180 this is one of my old RUclips channels and I can't remember the password these days. I hope you guys get a lot from it. It really is a very haunting reminder of the recent past
His new job? He just killed a man in a stairwell!
im 13 and we had to watch this in english one time and my cousin was just after been burried and this made me cry because a cousin of mine died in the troubles, its very touching and heartbreaking
Your 23 now
@@Jim-gk4so indeed
Don't be like that dad.....No good came from that
The son was the one that got shot at the end right? Or was he the shooter?
yeah his son ended up the same as the dad only instead of going to jail he got shot dead. history repeating itself. he wanted to be like his dad growing up but died because of it. This was on the tv when i was 10 years old. always remembered it. A year later there was a ceasefire in northern ireland which remains till this day.
Son was the shooter, who shot the man with his kid. Essentially it's implied he was later killed himself.
@@glenross9467yup. Remember that time well and Imwas in the Republic so as close as I was to the border it still didn't really affect us.. although we always knew there were hidden RA camps all over the place nearby, also knew that was something you just kept your nose out of!
@@Praetorian8814 What they don't tell you is the person who killed the son was he kid from the stairs; after witnessing his father killed right in front of him when he was a kid, he grew up, old enough to hold take up a gun, and then tracked down and killed the son.....avenging his father. Pure cycle of what goes around comes around.
@@user-jl2ko1eo5i I didn't realize that, but that makes sense and is more symbolic of the vicious cycle.
They didn't really age him or the dad up past that point to convey that though, so I figured the son died in an unrelated firefight/assassination, or maybe the kid identified him to authorities or to the UVF/PIRA.
But I like the idea of the kid growing up and taking up arms for revenge, as I'm sure that happened quite a lot sadly...
who was supplying the uzi dare i ask
Americans, because we know which side got the better weaponry 😉
Oh i remember this on TV.. in the Republic. Not sure if it was on UTV or RTE .. we could get both. Was a powerful ad. I was only a kid when it came out but I've never forgotten it, the moustached Daddy in the phonebox, the coffin part. It definitely left a bif impression on pwople . I always think lf this ad when I hear the song.
haven't seen this b4, cheers for sharing
N.Ireland is my home always go down to belfast regular and the people are lovely I went to a mixed school in darkley had shooting in a church bomb going off on the keady road close to my home such sad time's
That's Harry Chapin's version, if I'm not mistaken. He was the original writer/composer of this song back in 1974.
Damn, intense video!
No sweat. I don't know if a similar film can be made as effectively for our current situation, I guess it's different. Ultimately this kind of stuff helped with the Northern Ireland troubles. Now, thankfully they are dying down. Saying that... a 600 pound bomb was defused the other day in South Armagh so it still exists.
This made me cry for real. This is just incredible. I am absolutely on the Irish side in this conflict but when the guns are discussing, satan wins the debate.
Both sides are Irish you fucking idiot
@@soundbombing1076 If you told Ian paisley he was Irish, you'd get a smack.
I think I know the one you mean mate. I'll see if I can find that one too
No mate. It was written way back. It's called 'Cats In The Cradle'.. It's been done by Cat Stevens, Guns 'n' Roses and others. I think the makers of the ad just chose to make a film to this version of the music
Do you have any other public information films about this confidential telephone number? What happened when you rang it?
Yeah I remember seing this as a kid and it's stayed with me ever since. I went to school in Northern Ireland and now I stay there with my Mother during holidays and see my friends from there. Peoples attitudes have changed, but I have still ran into people who harbour hatred for Britain (and therefore me) because of what has happened in the past. This kind of work helps to stop that
amaazn amaazing song !
That's right mate. It's a great tune. I'd forgotten who originally wrote this one. Cheers
Sad video. Reminds me of the hard times my folks went through. But kinda made me wanna fight for freedom 🤷♂️
LOL. Make sure it's an Eircom phone box. :P
Will it be confidential?
wtf. this is powerful. they would never air this in America because all is so dumbed down. peopel couldnt handle it.
@HateFenians lol why would it matter if the dad is UVF/UDA or IRA ??? Talk about missing the point !!!!!!!
No way shape or form would The Late Harry Chapin have approved of this; no way no how......he was a peaceful loving kind man, not a man to support terrorism which is all this ad is about.
I guess the Northern Irish were a bit different. I have friends who have sympathy for the IRA and friends who despise them. As friends I have no more or less respect for them due to their beliefs.
'The Troubles' wasn't about religion at the end of the day... it was land.
I think the Islamist extremists believe it's a religious war, whereas most Westerners would say (whether they support the war or not) that's it's simply a war on terror.
Religion usually gets dragged into wars
Gangsters the lot of them. Drug dealing gangsters that ruined their communities under the banner of just cause. They all have a lot to answer for
In an Irish context the media neither fueled nor fed off of terrorism, such a reading of the situation is woefully misguided. Censorship both north and south of the border, and anti-republican bias in the press, ensured that the IRA were consistently delegitimized and dehumanised. When news media covered their violent actions, they were presented without context or an exploration of motivating factors. As noted below, the PIRA targeted what they perceived to be legitimate targets--politicians, soldiers, touts. Figures vary as to how many victims of the Provos were innocent victims, but all reports suggest that it was a minority. The same cannot be said for the British Army, however, who, throughout Operation Banner, killed a majority of innocent civilians.
Adverts like this do nothing but bolster the British government's (false) narrative that the IRA are solely to blame for the violence, and overlooks the fact that paramilitaries do not abound from a vacuum: that they are products of their environment and are socially conditioned; and in this case were the contagion effect of piss-poor treatment from the British government. The Brits planted the seeds of the Provos, something that they could not reconcile. So they labelled them as terrorist: I am of the opinion that if you are to label the Provos are terrorist, then you must also label the Brits as terrorists. The difference being however, that while the IRA were partaking in small-scale'terrorism', the Brits were engaged in the wholesale, state-sanctioned violent oppression of a sect of society which it claimed to represent, but in reality had no mandate to do so. The retail political violence of the IRA, which they used to further a just cause will always be more justifiable than the wholesale terror enacted by the Brits.
But either way, killing innocent people, including those who had nothing to do with the Ulster Loyalists is wrong. And the same applies to the UDA, who killed innocent people, including those who had nothing to do with Irish Republicans in Ulster. Both terrorist Groups were cruel and had the wrong principles. I'm glad that you don't get this mistrust between Protestants and Catholics in Britain anymore for I've never mistrusted any Catholic or Orthodox, Jew or anybody of any religion.
You said, " Adverts like this do nothing but bolster the British government's (false) narrative that the IRA are solely to blame for the violence ". You're probably right there, especially as this was before any of the 2 ceasefires in 1994 and 1996. But the message is right to not fuel the fire and battle terrorism.
But although there is still mistrust between the 2 categories of Christianity on the scale of Northern Ireland, at least there no longer killings of innocent people, who just want to get on with their lives and don't mind whether you're a protestant or catholic.
ThorniMation Lot of kneecappings on the regular, though.
Fuck that was the most boring full of crap post I think I’ve ever read,
Don't talk rubbish. La Mon bombing, enniskillen, shankill bombing, kingsmill. There just off the top of my head. Ira were involved in mindless killing.
Long Island, Mcquirks bar, Shankill Butchers the list goes on and on
That was cool when he came in and shot everyone
Are you stupid
Obviously a 11 year old,well said you didn't grow up during the troubles...
Brit propaganda. It’s good for sons to be like their fighting fathers!
Could of easily been a loyalist paramilitary, it doesnt imply a side. Regardless, this kind of thinking only holds the North back. Shame.