As someone who was born as a man, and identifies as that gender. I have had several times where I have my friends would rant about men and what they do is horrible etc. so to me, I’m listening to somebody vent there frustration with their experiences and doesn’t apply to me cause then they wouldn’t be so open to talking to me about it. My roommate is a trans man, and is one of the main reasons why I continue to educate myself on trans rights and follow such amazing creators like you.
I wish I could find it but I saw a video were an African American man was describing the difference between “White people” and people who happen to be white. Basically his thesis was that white people ignore their privilege where people who happen to be white recognize their privilege and use that privilege to make things more equal. It made me realize that I want to be someone who happens to be white, cis, male, heteronormative.
I wish more cis men would be like this I'm hesitant of white and some other cis men, because they hold more power they are more likely to feel entitled to the world including people's bodies etc. The ignorance of privilege is strong. Not all white cis men but definitely a lot more than other types of people.
It was my then teenage son who explained cis to me, about 10 years ago. He said the term cis gender and I was like, "um, what's that?" he said "Dad, are you transgender?" I said "no, I id as the male body I was born into". He then said, "It's like in chemistry, you have cis and trans protiens, right? If you're not trans, you are cis." And I was like, "Oh, cool. I guess I never wondered what a not-trans person was called, my bad." my name is Wellington and I'm a cis male.
"My name is Kermit and I speak for the theys. If you misgender them, I'll number your days" "My name is Kermit and I speak for the trans. If you misgender them, they won't find you in the van." Don't worry Jessie, Kermit won't ever do us dirty like Rowling and Shatner.
For reference, I wrote & sang this parody of "Rainbow Connection" remembering the good traits of a dear friend that passed: ruclips.net/video/rm9_aByphNk/видео.html
@@thedevicebook that would be cool, but the first one is something I heard on tiktok so I don't technically have the right to do anything but repeat it, and the second I made up based on the first (which is why its less good and more dark) but thanks for the compliment n offer! your parody is good; im sorry about your friend, they sounded awesome.
marginilized people: (downtrodden voice) systems suck everyone else: how dare you call the system that im in bad? im not bad!! youre just being a victim!!!
It's also because marginalized people have to deal with this _every single day_ and it's exhausting. No one has the time and energy to educate every celebrity who can't be bothered to look into things themselves. I know realistically it can't be helped, because if we don't try to explain it to them then who will? But gods, it's a fulltime job and most of the time they won't hear you anyway.
Why bother to explain to them? Just get hold of their publicists and management teams. Most celebs will parrot what their managers and paymasters tell them even if its utter nonsense. Its not difficult to educate but there are many among the marginilized who are bad faith actors who get to the minds of the undecided first and poison the well. We know Cis, White, old, man are descriptors but when used the way most people see it online, no surprise they consider such terms are insulting and those who use them as talking for bad faith.
It’s because no one gives a rats ass, it’s all you transformers think and talk about no one else looks into because they have a life outside of their gender identity. Unfortunately, you are not as important as you thought you were.
maybe it should be "Vowels shouldn't be playing Lucky Pierre in between S and C." nearly any combination of vowel between S and C or C and S sounds dirty or innuendo
Jessica Duane could be an autocorrect thing with his device. Sometimes my phone or iPad will take a short word that I clearly doesn’t recognise and capitalise it like it’s an acronym
Some think it means comfortable in skin maybe he is one of those people? or it could just be emphasis since that's really the only form of emphasis on social media.
neither word in itself is a slur but in context it can be so can gay and black or yellow. words arent just its definition with other words it can mean something completely different.
@Memelord ''We are the 'normal' people yet crazy people are oppressing us!'' Lol this just directly exposes their bigotry (they think people other than themselves are not normal) and proves our point. To people accustomed to privilege, equality can seem like oppression.
@Johnny Jones no it's a scientific term. Also trans people want to be called women and men. Not trans. Cis is literally a scientific term. Most trans people would be perfer being considered actual men and women but sadly noone will call them that.
I learned about Cis vs. Trans as it is used in chemistry several years before I was even aware of the concept of transgender. Because of how cis and trans is used in chemistry and biology, it made total sense to me when I first heard the term cisgender.
Exactly! I first met the prefixes "cis" and "trans" in the late 1970s, in an organic-chemistry lecture focusing on substituents across or on the same side of a double bond in a hydrocarbon molecule (my fellow chemistry geeks will know 😉); when I first saw them years later in discussions involving transgender issues, I found it a delightfully logical metaphor extending the chemical usage in a clear, non-loaded (or so I thought) manner. That said, I have never personally heard "cis" or "cisgender" used as snarl word or hate word, but only as a mere neutral descriptive. (FTR, I'm still likely to see "CIS" and think first of the Commonwealth of Independent States [breakdown product of the USSR], or "Trans" and think of an atypical Neil Young album, so context is essential. 😉)
@@NIRDIAN1 Are you sure you're not thinking of dextro- vs. levorotatory (D vs. L) optically-active organic molecules? 😉💊 Okay, geek-out over...remember: in chemistry, cis or trans all depends where the second substituent lies WRT the double bond, about which rotation is very limited -- but cis or trans in human life is all about knowing, and being free to live as, one's true self, a human birthright.
Same here! It made complete sense to me because I also first learned it in science class. And I don't find cis an insult becauae trans isn't an insult, so cis couldn't possibly be insulting....if that makes sense.
@@bs4e I mean, I see it levied as synonymous with "boring" or "clueless" a lot. It's used dismissively like, you couldn't possibly understand, you're just cisgender, take a seat. Or like if you're cisgender it's because you lack the ability to question your gender identity. Not everyone will levy the term that way but as long as some are there's going to be pushback against being called that. For example "fat" is really just a descriptive word right? It's a quicker way to describe someone that is overweight. But it's also not something you call someone to their face. Because some people levy that word as an insult.
As a cis woman, I can definitely say that some people, who don’t know what oppression feels like, get offended by being labeled anything, even if it’s simply factual lol
TERFs getting offended by being called TERFs when the term literally describes their ideology, boomers getting mad at being called that "slur" by gen z even though gen z didn't invent that term etc. etc.
I learned about "trans" and "cis" in high school chemistry, and the term never meant anything but technical and descriptive to me. Love this commentary and your perspective.
Congrats on managing to be cut off from social politics for so long. What words mean in one context do not carry that meaning to another context. Negro is a technically descriptive word from another language too, start referring to black people by that term for that reason and see how well it goes for you.
@@dwc1964 I addressed the point that was made by using the same logic they did. It's not absurd, I literally did the same thing they did, if you find a problem with that then my point is made.
I think age is a factor. 30 years ago, if someone told me that “I’ll be back” Arnold would become a governor, I would laugh. I’d also laugh if someone told me a few years later that “You’re fired” Trump would be my president. 15 years ago, if someone told me that I was gay, I’d be livid, since I was married with a female (now my fiancé is male). 5 years ago, if someone told me that my father was going to become a father again, I would laugh- now I have a 3 year old sister. All of these things have happened. Change is hard, and adaptation is what PEOPLE need. People that don’t adapt, their life becomes too hard to survive. -Hugs, Scot.
Change always occurs. Nothing should be impossible with education and opportunities. Arnold and Trump being successful political leaders is a sign on how easy it is to win office and that fame and spin matter more than substance. Both were decent economically so there is that. Minds change, people mature. Never thought I would marry my wife due to very petty things but we been married 10 years. Love and communication trumps hate. If you actually are willing to let go of your own bias and acceptance of bad faith, that is.
I wouldn't have been surprised that Big Arnie became governor--we had the example of Reagan. What would have shocked me was to hear that he ended up on a quest to convince conservatives that global warming is real and they shouldn't promote hate groups.
@@MattMcIrvin : I was never surprised by Arnie’s achievements, as I could see how driven he was from the outset. But I’d seen Pumping Iron before he was a star. What surprised me was that he married a Kennedy!
ooook.... yeah...errr... his first tweet wasn't bad at all, but when he goes "...take your blinders off..", last time I had someone I love say that in a conversation, a few months later I find the person defends Alt Right principles... it's kind of one step away from "red pill" being used in a conversation... I'd joke about getting George Takei to phone him and explain to him.... but honestly... since when George Takei's job to become our trekkie LGBTQ Godfather? Even tho... I do quite think of him that way
I can’t say that a call to taking a dose of reality is strictly alt-right, but it’s definitely built on principles... unlike most of the things Shatner has recently criticized.
Takei HATES Shatner for some reason, and I'm thinking the current kerfuffle is at least tangentially related to why. Shatner taking this aggrieved position, and refusing to listen to those kindly explaining things...I refuse to speculate publicly, but I suspect there's more going on beneath the surface here. This might be a part of his fundamental disposition. I won't give up hope he might change his mind later on, but Takei won't be the one to change it. There's no love lost between them.
He also has a past of ableism and has definitely reinforced terrible things when it comes to people on the autism spectrum.I don't get the feeling he cares enough to learn from his mistakes.
I'm really sorry, but I couldn't stop laughing when you said that German phrase. It's not particularly that it was so horribly wrong, you just used a "Hitler accent" as we call it. No one actually talks that way, but it somehow became a stereotype for all Germans and it's always funny if someone misuses that because he or she thinks it's "normal german". I'm sorry for any errors in here, I love your videos and how you can explain a complicated topic like that so easily 😉👍
@@jolan_tru but let's not ignore the fact that since the letter 'i' is so narrow the 'c' and 's' in 'cis' are uncomfortably close, more than they are in words starting with 'cas' or 'cos'
I think the real problem is the C and S (both taking "s" form) combined with the letter I makes a rather unsettling snake-like hissss. This would naturally put anyone on edge. Also C is just a shifty bugger who steals its sound from other letters like S and K unstead of coming up with something original.
I'm pretty certain that it's because it's too similar to "sissy", that's why some are offended by the term. As a cisgender, I am just guessing. I had never even heard of the term until I caught this video, but that is the first thing that popped into my head when I heard it (sissy gender 😂🤣). Excuse the humour, I am British 😀
as a cis white male, I am by far the most priviledged demographic in North America. and yet, I kinda want to field this one... When I first encounteted the term Cis, I was somewhat annoyed, my visceral reaction, although not this articulate, was something like "What is this new label that is now being added to me" Some people will fight labels, no matter what the label is and how accurate it is, because it is not a label they have chosen for themselves. I have plenty of other labels that fit me, which I chose for myself, I am a nerd because I like Trek, Star Wars, collect Transformers, etc, I am a sports fan because I Love the Montreal Canadiens and all of baseball (until the Expos come back) I am a car guy who drives a muscle car. I am also a Bronie and a She-Ra fan. Shatner didn't choose the Cis label for himself and thus has an instinct to push back against it, no matter the fact that the label fits him. As a man who has decided to improve myself in the last few years, I want to and actively seek out the opinions of those who are not as favored as me by society, which is why I subscribed to your channel after Steve Shives recommended your video on the women of Star Trek. I only wish for Shatner, and really everyone else for that matter, to realize that often, it is more important to listen to others than to give your opinion without giving it any thought! I hope someone tweets this video to Bill and he actually watches it, it would do him some good to encounter your voice!
@@VergilSDT I am curious, how exactly, your thought process works that you think, on THIS video specifically, that it's appropriate to start throwing insults around! go crawl back in the hole you escaped from and let the earth forget your ever set foot on it!
@@VergilSDT considering you served up no arguement yourself, I really don't need to give one either Enjoy your useless, irrelevant life of being a rude sack of meat
Well of course the term CIS is offensive..... I mean don't you care about the droid attack on the wookies....... :) (For non Star Wars fans the CIS were the faction with the droid army)
Were they content with being a faction of the droid army??? Were they content with being droids??? Were they content with being battle droids??? If so then cis fits
1. Well a video that starts with etymology from Latin is bound to be brilliant, no surprise there! 2. White and cis often implies privilege that white, cis people (including myself) might neither realize nor care to acknowledge. 3. Any outsider description, including cis, can threaten our identity quite a lot. How comfortable to just label yourself "normal" and have special words only for those that are different from you!
Jessie, I have to make a sad confession: like you speculated with Shatner and several other people, I first came across the term cis when someone somewhere on the internet was making angry comments. The next 5 comments or so had the same temperament and theme. So immediately my thoughts were that cis was a bad word, I did not ask for this label, what did it even mean? Later I learned the full term was cisgender and that's when a light bulb went off. Up to that point it just did not occur to me that a term was needed to describe 'not trans', that trans people did not have to stick out and be unusual. These are the kinds of thoughts that enter a person's brain when one does not personally know anyone transgender. Thank you for educating many of us, through our mutual love of Star Trek no less. And to everyone else in the comments, having to explain and educate over and over again is an exhausting task, but trust me, it's worth it. I don't see these discussions becoming normalised for a very long time, so bear in mind, most of the uneducated are people who, like me most likely, don't have any friends or family who a trans or non-conforming, so have nothing in their life experience to base their thoughts on.
Completely! And I'm v grateful u were willing to learn! The frustration is mainly bc we have to explain over and over and deal with constant harassment about our genitals and a lot of people dont listen to us or arent willing to do any research on their own
@@adamdawson6700 So far, I have a very helpful video from Mama Dr Jones explaining the differences between biological female, intersexed and transgender (and why she welcomes all of them as her patients). If I ever witness the thing you describe, I will show them that. They can't exactly dispute a doctor now, can they? Many hugs to you Adam
Same actually! The first time I encountered the term cis, was when I was browsing memes on Tumblr and accidentally wandered into "die cis scum" territory. So I was very offended by the term for ages. But it wasn't until someone explained to me "it literally just means Not Trans". Then I was like "Ohhhhh!" Then I had to have the exact same conversation with my fiance and now he's like "Ohhhhh!" Unfortunately there are people quick to label someone as a malicious transphobe when it's just simple ignorance. My fiance and I are now pretty fierce trans allies, but if it was never properly explained to us in the first place, that might not be the case. So I see the situation with William Shatner as slightly different to JK Rowling...but yeah definitely some yikes moments in those tweets.
So I am a board member of a charity for LGBTQ education and we have started using the term GSM (gender and sexual minority) community. Its a catch all for all non cis hetero people and is way easier than the ever expanding LGBTQ+ acronym. GSM is still a relative new term, but one we have adopted as an organization.
I so hope it catches on! It's funny because it's the same as the old mobile network xD But I've been hoping for a better one :) I'd use "q ** community" but some people have an issue with it and RUclips sometimes deletes comments with it... Let's see if this one posts... (This is the fourth attempt at posting... funny coincidence, when the vid is about someone being angry about a useful word 😂 )
Please consider using GSRM (gender, sexual, and romantic minorities) instead, to be inclusive of aromantic folks and others who use the SAM (split attraction model) and have a romantic orientation that is not hetero.
So FYI, my charity is the Outright Libertarians. Our policy goal is twofold. 1. Inform the Libertarian Party about GSM history, education, and political policy related to GSM people 2. Create a more welcoming home for GSM Libertarians who may feel politically homeless from the Republican or Democratic parties. We are chaired by an amazing trans activist and on our board we have diversity among the GSM community (and allies) represented. I am also currently a GSM candidate for US Congress in the GA 5th district special election this September. Chaseforhouse.com if anyone is interested. Jessie, I want to say thanks for being such an amazing content creator and voice for trans people. As both an activist, and a trekkie, I am in awe of your creativity, commentary and general wonderful job you do as a content creator on RUclips. It makes me happy to see more and more visible GSM (especially trans) voices in the new media sphere. Keep being amazing and Live Long and Prosper.
It's a sad fact of life that people who had the best opinions all their life sometimes start saying hurtfull shit in their old age, because they lost touch. And shatner once wanted to wrestle a tiger on camera when he was younger. And now he's really really old.
Mr. Shatner has a history of Ableism too. Circa like 2011 or maybe earlier He had "twitter feud" with ASAN & one Trans founder in particular . They worked & used lots of energy to be fairly constructive. It didn't seem to be received constructively. Sadly things don't seem to have improved either .
Oh God THAT'S what made me stop liking him It's sometimes hard to remember which celeb did what. Benny C has a pretty problematic history with ableism of the same kind. Benny C telling actual autistic people who see their own traits that Sherlock isn't autistic because Benny C has MET people with that and knows how heartbreaking it is Thanks friend
Benedict's words: "“I don’t think he was on the spectrum, I think a lot of people are very lazy with that. I think it’s a really dangerous thing to toy with that. People talk about me doing that quite a lot and that being a good thing for people who are on the spectrum, which is great. But I don’t go into a job going, ‘Is this autism? Is this Asperger’s? Is this some other form of slight learning difficulty or disability?’ I’m very wary of that, because I’ve met people with those conditions. It’s a real struggle all the time. Then these people pop up in my work and they’re sort of brilliant, and they on some levels almost offer false hope for the people who are going through the reality of it.” Rage.
@@annedavis3340 lemme guess he sat with Mummys & they "broken" children & ABA "providers" & was "moved" by suffering? ugh Dude spectrum means variation. You missed the point
@@emcrolls yip yipe yup. You won't be surprised he talked about how "brave" people are who work with autistics, and how the kids were an "inspiration" Check, check, and check, please 🤬
ok, think i get why some think cis is a slur. when an angry tweet says "why are my fellow cis men, like Bill Shatner, getting their undies in a twist over this"; there is a part of me that has a bit of empathy and I say to myself "I guess that might have hurt the Captains feelings" but omg, trying to contact a millionaire celebrity with a message of hope and education is impossible for people like me. Here's to hoping that Jessie's message will reach and change Mr Shatner.
@@malakine6306 sure, but from what i've seen ian doesn't hold those views. john cleese has already tweeted transphobic/transphobic adjacent statements. i shouldn't have phrased it like that.
I do not know if Jim Henson ever said Trans Rights (or if that was even a phrase that was spoken when he was alive) but I am morally certain that he would be all about that.
When I was first called an introvert I got offended because it 'sounded' like a swearword and I didn't know what it meant. Maybe that's the case here, some education goes a long way.
As a cis person, I don’t get why cis people get so angry being called a normal Latin prefix that just means “on the same side”. Heck, it’s used in chemistry, the first recorded use was in a German sexology book in 1914 (Ernst Buchard, “Lexikon des gesamten Sexuallebens”, even if to be fair it was used to describe “cisvestitismus”, which is described as “the inclination to put on clothing of other ages, classes or professions and the same gender for sexual recreation”, still related to gender identity)! It’s kinda very dumb that people get so pressed imo (Edits made to elaborate and correct certain points :P)
Your citation raises another dimension of the problem, and perhaps serves to answer your question: When people of all stripes talk about "censorship" (real or imagined) they invoke a photo of Nazis burning books in 1933. They almost universally fail to mention that one very specific target of those book-burnings was the Institute for Sexual Sciences. Because any actual science that contradicted "The Science" of absolute binary sexuality and gender was anathema. And this, sadly, was central to the _mass appeal_ of the Nazis, tapping into and amplifying the appeal to rigid hierarchies and "Order" that attracted their mass base to them. And so it has ever been, and remains still.
I think it really depends on how you came across the word in question. I got informed about not-bein-trans is cis in a conversation that I was next second already excluded from, even though I was talking about personal experiences in other areas that were meaningful and related to the issue at hand, from my point of view. Sure, I'm cis, but I still care, I still know what it feels like to be excluded or worse, in actual danger, not because of any of your own decisions, but because you are who and what you are - in short, I didn't like being excluded, especially because I was very interested in getting to know more about the experiences of other participants of the conversation. Being sidelined with 'oh, you're cis, you don't get it' is just hurtful, even if and when it's probably at least somewhat true. If your predominant contact with any given word is a hurtful one, that does color your understanding of the word to the point of having a really hard time to open up to the original, not derogative meaning. I think Jesse has explained that really great, so as much as you are of course right about the 'real' meaning of the word cis, and as much as no one should really be bothered by being called cis, if this is the word that is used to belittle, exclude or hurt you, than it takes bravery and loads of goodwill on both sides to get over this first reading that was taught so painfully. Just pointing out 'look it up, silly, it's really nothing bad' is perfectly correct, but just not very useful for anyone involved. Sorry for bad english, spelling or rambling, it's not my native language and it's way late here. :-)
It's probably pretty unlikely but I hope William Shatner sees this video. I would like to hope that he'd be open and good-humoured enough to learn from it.
I think the real problem is the C and S (both taking an "s" form) combined with the letter I makes a rather unsettling snake-like hissss. This would naturally put anyone on edge. At least anyone that enjoys living. Also, C is just a shifty bugger who steals its sound from other letters like S and K unstead of coming up with something original. Its a terrible first impression for any word.
My buddy James said it best when he explained how any word can be misconstrued as an insult depending on context. He said that if someone introduced him to a new coworker as "This is our accountant James, he's Irish.", That's all cool and good. If that same guy says "James you fucked our taxes you Irish bastard", then he immediately kicks them in the face. For that brief moment, he hears the tone and the neutral word as connected, when logically there isn't any connection.
The editing and writing in this episode is fantastic. The only thing I have in contention here is the idea that trans people should be assuming the role of educators on trans issues to celebrities. I get that correcting harmful views politely is the best way to try and convince people to change their mind, but it is _exhausting_ to have to do that constantly. Like we always have to justify our existence and how we talk about our experiences. The information exists online, it's not hard to find, and celebrities do indeed have the reach to figure it out themselves. And it's preferable if they would, you know? But I guess we're emotionally responsive creatures.
Two points - 1) every minority winds up being an educator about themselves to others because 2) you can't rely on people finding information online and it being accurate or thorough...let alone if people read it and comprehend it. Anti-social media has just made it worse and more in-your-face.
I thought that the main point Jessie was making is, don't do your shouting direct at Shatner, vent to you friends. And maybe Shatner will educate himself in due time without being driven into being a megaphone for actual transphobes. I mean, she talks a lot of sense. But I sure get a similar sense to that black person who wrote that book about why (s)he was no longer talking to white people about race. That's the same sense of exasperation and exhaustion there.
When I first encountered the term cis (while trying to discover myself, I currently identify as genderfluid, which is also unacceptable to many) I was brusquely directed to an article about it. It perhaps made a cursory explanation and then proceeded to basically say why it was bad. My first encounter was terrible, and I felt VERY attacked. It made me wish that I was trans, so I could be not-cis. I have a better understanding these days, and me being me, would attempt to explain, rather than directing someone to an article or something that made them feel it was wrong to be cis.
I interpreted the last part of his tweet regarding racism differently. I thought he was saying white people aren't the only ones who are racist, not that white people were once the victims of racism.
If I was ever in a conversation about sexual orientation I used to refer to myself as a straight male I now know the term cisgender man I do not take it as a derogatory remark at all. His last time it is disturbing to me for a different reason they adopt victimhood and then try to argue racism. If he not adopting victimhood in this situation. I hear the word cisgender man I'm not offended. If I tell you how many times I've been stopped by police and search even though I'm a law-abiding citizen who did nothing am I adopting victimhood or am I strictly telling you in the context of a conversation we're having about something that happened to me.
While I obviously think Shatner is wrong and there's nothing wrong with the term 'cis' (seriously, it's purely descriptive, I don't see how it can have offensive connotations) I do see where he's coming from: He's old, and probably the first time he heard the word 'cis' was in phrases like "die cis scum" which used to be really popular among overzealous wokescolds back when Tumblr was a thing. I haven't seen that phrase used in ages though, so Shatner's reaction still surprises me somewhat. I don't think he's a transphobe (yet) but he should get educated if he doesn't want to become one. Preferably by trusted acquaintances and not by a twitter mob.
Honestly, the first several times I heard "cis" used, it was obviously Being used as a synonym for "boring". I googled it eventually (because I'm at that age where you have to Google slang) and was surprised that it had anything to do with gender issues, since it had come up in a video game forum and the discussion had nothing to do with any of that.
@@faiaflrt _I'm at that age where you have to Google slang_ OMG me too! I feel so old.. Either that or English not being my first language means I have no reference for slang. To be fair, the prefixes 'cis' and 'trans' are not only used for gender. They literally mean "this side of" and "the other side of" respectively. For example, in geography: Transylvania = "On the other side of the forest" or "Beyond the forest". Cisplatine Province = "Province this side of the Rio de la Plata"
You have to have been completely asleep the last several years to not be aware that cis is often used as a dismissive pejorative. It's used by the same people and in the same way as phrases like "if you're not a women you cant have an opinion on abortion". The word is used more often as a pejorative than mere descriptor. Come back when you've caught up with reality.
@@VergilSDT Imagine thinking that someone not being interested in your opinion that probably has no basis in personal experience is the same thing as a slur.
Apology accepted. 😉 I mean you tolerate my English in the comment section, so my ears can bear your pronunciation. And my strange humor like in the previous sentence. Okay, Volkmar Sigusch is itself a challenge but "nosomorpher" that's a word he probably came up by himself because "nosomorph" (the "Positiv", basic form of an adjective... Interesting, seems as if I forgot about the term) is nowhere to be found. Not even in the "Duden", the German dictionary which, as I just found out adopted "cisgender" as a new word. That's ironic isn't it? In general, I believe that many make the "mistake" to speak German words faster than they should. So, it's better to take your time. Although in this case I would have had my problems with that word "nosomorpher" as well because as stated above that's not a word one would use very often... Actually, never. 😉 Fascinating to me is the fact that a German invented the word "cis" in the first place because it is much more common in the English language. I first encountered it about 1.5 years ago. But I guess it's because of the fact that we have just one word, Geschlecht, for gender, sex and lineage, that "gender" and "cisgender" is even more problematic in our language and probably thinking. Thoughts form words but words also influence your thoughts, so the whole "gender"-thing is new, is also a bit alien to us. I for example oppose "Genderisierung" (genderization) in the German language in many cases, meaning giving words female endings etc. like using instead of just "Mitarbeiter" (employee) the "MitarbeiterIn" because the original word is just referring to men anx with the "In" you include women as well. And while I see why it's done, most of the time it seems to be more a political stunt than anything else. Changing thinking by changing the language is one thing but without action it rings hollow. Politicians want to express that women are equal to men for example? How about doing something like passing a law that says that women have to be paid the same as men? No? So, the whole thing is at best just to influence young people but not changing the present? It's actually just showing you change things without changing anything at all. Anyway, it's a topic of it's own and would need a longer explanation. Language after all is a difficult subject.
Maybe he could be asked which term he preferred. Perhaps the meaning of cis “here” and trans “on the other side” is too cis-normative for him and he prefers “homogender” and “heterogender” (although I know that the terms already exist and usually don’t refer to the identity of one person) or perhaps he is questioning whether he’s cis or trans himself and thinks the term puts him into a box he doesn’t fully belong to. I don’t really think that’s what he meant or that he’s given it too much thought, but I prefer not ruling out the possibility. As for his claim that “cis” was a slur: For majorities it’s rather difficult to find a consensus if a term used to describe them might be considered a slur. So, if somebody tells us they feel offended by the term “cis”, we should probably best deal with it on an individual level: First, we should find out if they are transphobes. Probably they are but if they’re not, we should consider explaining our use of the term and if they still don’t like it, we should just go along with whatever term they’d prefer (as long as it’s not offensive itself).
When you hate labels but you have a laundry list of groups you’re a part of to contextualize your privilege and disadvantages ((Also as a biracial person that outwardly looks “black” I appreciate the way you spoke about racism as it can be an issue that mirrors trans issues))
My ex got lost in Evangelical conservatism. She went from being a pretty decent and open person into a total fustercluck of neurotic and uptight prejudices. I think maybe she already had all of that bigotry lurking inside of her but didn't feel like confronting it or changing it but I don't know for certain. Nowadays I know she's posting insulting trash and hateful memes online. We still have to interact from time to time and when I speak to her about it she says 'I have total respect for everyone' and 'People are free to make their own choices' but then she'll talk about the gay agenda like that's some evil and Satanic plot to rule the world and turn everyone gay and she'll dump on the trans community without a second thought. She's so lost, so scared and so fragile now that she lashes out at people she doesn't even know for reasons which make no sense by repeating talking points that aren't even true. Seems to me that we are one people sharing just one small and delicate planet. We are human beings one and all. Our gender, our ethnicity or ethnicities, our faith or lack thereof, our jobs, our education... all of that other stuff can matter a lot because it's our personal experience and it can form a part of our identity but who other people are is only a problem if we allow it to be. If my prejudices get in the way of seeing the humanity of others and if I fall short in understanding someone's right to a dignified and loving life of their choosing then that lack of recognition is not actually their problem, it's my problem and I had better look inside myself and find a better way to live. Love you, Jessie. Thanks for all you do and all you are.
I don't just get where you're coming from, I've been living it recently. So, little bit of context, I live in an area of city that is very much maligned. It has an amazing mix of people from all over, some are here for generations, others is a stepping stone in their lives. The area as a result is very multicultural, but its also a mix of people that are generally lower in terms of income, and there are crime problems, and occasional civil unrest. Because of all this, the area has a certain reputation as a "shithole", and its frequently the target of news media, online commentaries, and social media racist messaging. Thing is, it gets lost that most people here are good people, and we get along, help each other out, and yes there are problems caused by socioeconomic difficulties, and years of neglect from government, I love nearly all these people. I've spent a lot of time challenging racism online, and I end up being pulled into the bud) mid, rather than having decent debates. I've wasted so much of my life on this endeavour, and it is a waste because some people there is no point in engaging that way, they're doing it for attention or they are so sat in their views they can not and still not budge. Arguing with the intransigent is a waste of time. So a couple of weeks back recognising that, I decided a different tact entirely was called for, so I setup a blog abs twitter account to celebrate the good on my area. To counter the negative views out there, not with arguments and debates, but actually showing what means the area great. I'm two weeks in, I'm sure the net benefit my project has brought is minuscule compared with the challenges and the work others are currently doing, but it is getting noticed which is the first step in a long term project. I'm engaging with charities, business, politicians, community organisations and local notable people - I say this not to brag but to make a point: When I argued against those attacking my home online, there would be somewhere in the region of one to three people who stepped up to support, against one to three racists; within days of starting my new project I had dozens of people pledging support, and walking that path with me. Thought it was pertinent, rather than just bragging, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't proud abs just a little impressed with myself, sorry. It's not exclusive, it's a path anyone can take and get the good feels about. I think that's why I like Pride so much, and the West Indian Carnivals, they are moments of celebration, of raising up, and some of those moments become change, become movements. I don't want to denigrate people fighting good fights, trying to fight wrongs, opposing tyranny, oppression and discrimination, they are important and vital, and the hopeful path alone won't completely change the world. Lastly, just wanted to at my tuppence worth to 'All Lives Matter' - we've had a lot of this term here in the UK, but most of those using it are liars and hypocritics, as this week the people saying this have been pushing to close out refugees, they've said we've helped enough, we've helped too much, we need the navy to stop people trying to cross in boats, even hoping for a capsizing of a dinghy. Sorry for the long response
@@jl_legend I liked it, you said some things that I needed to hear right now, and I actually found it very inspiring and positive. So thank you for that ramble.
The first time I heard the term CIS was from this channel. I personally know gay people, but not any trans people. I don't find the term CIS offensive.
Honestly, you're talking about a guy who argued with a virologist about the efficacy of vaccines. I would take anything he says about anything with a big ol' grain of salt.
3:29 Bill: "stop labeling people because you don't understand what they are saying" People from his generation and later: "hey what's wrong SNOWFLAKE?? Gonna get TRIGGERED??? Why don't you go get in your whambulance and go to your safe space to CRY ABOUT IT????"
'We don't need cis as a word because categorising people is a form of harassment' is the "I don't see race" of transphobia. Even when/if it's honest it's Utopian in a way that's deeply unhelpful.
@Aldon Autos Just some thoughts: - You can critique the opinions or arguments of someone without offering a moral judgement on that person. Indeed I gave Shatner's position the absolute kindest reading possible, which feels right and proper given his previous stands against discriminatory practices. - Someone can proffer an opinion on the rights of a marginalised community without that being the entirety of their identity. - Being an artist doesn't mean political statements you make immune from criticism, indeed the more renown a person has the more care they should take that their public opinions should be carefully considered. - (and just because I'm a pedant) Cis and Cis-gender aren't pronouns, I can't remember but I'm fairly sure noting in the video actually had to do with pronouns, Suggesting that trans discrimination is fundamentally about pronoun usage is like saying Jim Crow was only about where you could sit on a bus.
Thanks for this. I have been struggling not to lash out in anger against yet another childhood idol, and I think you brought good context to it. I think there also must be room to separate the art from the artists for both good and ill. We can accept Harry Potter as a good moral story, and still hold JK Rowling to a higher standard of society. And I hope that we as a community can help educate William Shatner and others about these issues. I think you are right, we can help him live up to the ideals of Starfleet.
Plenty of people tried to be constructive with Rowling and explain trans issues, she ignored them and continued with her bigotry. She wasn't just ignorant or uninformed. She looked into trans experiences and knowing their experiences, turned around and misgendered and invalidated and belittled them and their experiences. I doubt Shatner lacked fans wanting to educate him and give him the benefit of the doubt.
You are such a good woman. That’s a lot of emotional labor there and you’re so charitable and kind in your work! Thank you for doing so much good work! 💕
Humans have always had a tendency to segregate,as we find excuses , on basis of ethnicity, sexual orientation, financial position,class and what not. However, more often than not, it's irrespective of one's actual actions and merely on Criterions the aggressor doesn't understand or like. Basically if you seek to understand, ask and you shall find and if you seek to segregate,hate , and discriminate,excuses you will find. TL;DR:. When faced with something alien, we either worship it, fear it or do what we can to invalidate/erase it .
Great video. Your voice is important. I appreciate the nuance and thoughtfulness you show. Your ability to see things from other people's point of view is nice to hear. Have you or do you know anyone from the progressive side who has ever done a deep dive into "free speech vs holding people accountable for the harm their words cause? Your thoughts on that subject interested me the most.
Thanks for addressing this. I just can't help but think that Shatner picks fights where he doesn't need to. He picks and chooses what he responds to, and he seems to have a tendency to pick fights. It disappoints me because he could use his platform to raise positivity rather than sow division. I also couldn't help but notice that your head was in the way of where your photo with Shatner is normally placed...
As a 51 year old heterosexual cis male I really enjoy your videos, I have watched several of your videos now, while I don't always agree with your views 100% I have never disagreed with your views 100%. Even on the subjects that I don't agree with you on 100% I respect your point of view and I also respect that in your videos you except the fact that humans are going to do stupid human things. I have admit that your videos have keep me from saying or doing things that may be interpreted as transphobic. I am going to be honest that I have in my past done things that looking back at them were transphobic and offensive. When these were pointed out to me I corrected myself those things that I did do were out of ignorance and not malice. Keep up your wonderful and great work, it is going to take people like you to educate old cis people like me. Thank you for what you do.
Your eye shadow is lovely. You're beautiful. i appreciate your nuanced view. Your script is poetic and lovely. btw your background - i am jealous of your action figure collection
I really love your level-headed approach to one of many issues that tends to set us off against each other. Gender issues, sexuality, race, class, etc. are issues where we tend to talk past each other and smugly assert that "I AM RIGHT, YOU ARE WRONG!!" rather than try to find some kind of common ground and understanding. I am guilty of this more than I care to admit. Thanks for having this conversation!
I am going to go ahead and agree with Mr Shatner about disliking Cis and Trans. I am tired of being put into a box by other people's expectations. how about just Man, or Woman? or them They? how about human rights? how about a Person's Rights? not Cis Woman or Man, or Trans Woman or Man, but just Woman or man! not white people, or black people, but People! I am really frickin tired of people putting invisible lines between each other. we need to stop separating each other out, and start including each other as our fellow humans. also, if that person is being attacked with the word Cis, even just as a descriptor, then Stop, how about we stop hurting each other even just with words? it stops being a Descriptor when it starts being used to attack someone. Why African american? Why not just American? I know there is a huge list of crimes being committed against those who are darker skin toned, to this day, and that needs to stop immediately, but excluding and separating is not going to help anyone. Men, or Women, or them They, because Maybe I look Cis, but I would identify as something else. So, I can see why he would be tired of it, and I pretty much agree. I am not trying to down play anyone's experience however, and there is still much inequality which needs to be righted in our world. I just want to stop the "Them" and "Us" back and forth. Let's come together, and become WE.
I don't disagree about the need to break down barriers between people. And yes, in many contexts, you CAN and SHOULD just say "people". But, as you note, sometimes we want to get slightly more specific and say "man" or "woman", because the people to whom those labels apply might have somewhat different experiences, needs, etc. or just because you are trying to more clearly indicate which person you are talking about (eg. "the woman standing by the barbecue"). Same thing for labels that indicate other more specific identities. Sometimes you might just need to be able to point out that "Jim" is the Black guy in the group, not the Asian guy, for instance (there can be other ways to do that, it just often isn't as efficient). More importantly, when some of those identities have been historically oppressed or marginalized, it is hard to talk about how to correct those problems without using those terms. If you are going to talk about specific struggles that trans people face, you might also need a term for those who don't have those experiences that is shorter than "not-trangender person". For instance, when participating in such a conversation I can point out that I'm cis and therefore quickly indicate that I'm speaking from the perspective of wanting to be supportive rather than being trans myself. Not USING the words "transgender"/"cisgender" or "man"/"woman" doesn't by itself fix transphobia or misogyny. Of course, that is where the problem comes in, leading one to associate more specific labels with negativity. Shatner is usually just called a "man" because usually that's all that's needed. Many trans people also prefer to just be called "man" or "woman" most of the time UNLESS they are actively trying to talk about the trans experience. If they didn't have that term to use, however, it would be difficult to talk about it when it becomes relevant - for example, at the doctor's office. What would be lovely is to get to the point where, say, "cis" or "trans" is no more offensive to anyone than saying "blonde" or "brunette".
@@PirateQueen1720 right, and I get that but Cis is not a descriptor, it's an Additive, and it clearly bothers him, because he has been attacked with that phrase. Calling him a Man, is a descriptor, but he has asked for people to stop calling him Cis, because he does not wish to be identified that way. I think he has that right same as anyone else. it is also not being used as a descriptor, it's being lobbed at him as an insult. if they were describing him, they could just say man. it's being used to force him into a group diametrically apposed to what the Narrator clearly feels is the only right option to be, which is not Cis. it's another Them against US statement, and I am just tired of it. We can be better than that.
I recall that when I first came across the term Cis, and found it entirely repulsive to me. Turns out it wasn't because I thought it was hate term or anything like that, but because it literally didn't apply to me, as it turns out that I'm demigender (she/they with a preference for they).
I hear you regarding your conclusion, but I'm not sure if I can agree. I mean I agree for myself that's how I would like to also conduct myself, but feels a little tone policing. I feel that as long as the content of the message is there why should how it is said affect it? We as white trans people have a completely different experience than other trans people be that BIPOC or even trans people who can't afford to transition medically if they desire, or any other combination of marginalizations we don't have. I think it's a luxury for someone like William shatner or even JK Rowling to be able to not listen to people just because someone is saying something in an upsetting way. I think it's a luxury also to suggest that, as in your conclusion, as a way of doing things even if you are acknowledging the anger and the hurt. So that is why I disagree with your conclusion even if that is how I am probably going to operate for my personal way of doing things.
Indeed, I don’t think we disagree actually. Like, I do have the privilege to sometimes let thing go because they don’t harm me as much. Even as a trans person, I am far from the most marganlized both as a white person and a person who was born in the upper middle class. So I totally understand that sometimes speaking out, sometimes angrily or violently, is sometimes the only method even more marganilized groups then myself have in order to be heard. Perhaps I should have stated that more clearly, but I kinda tried to put that in the banner of “hold them accountable for their words” section at the end, but that’s way too implied then I intended looking back at it.
If someone is often in a space where their being "cis" is used as a way to dismiss someone as having privileges that they might not understand it, I can see how someone might see it as just an insult or slur. I think that it should take that person to understand that cis is just considered the norm, and what that must be like for those out of that norm. I can say that I was not too comfortable accepting cis as a label, and that moment was verbalising my own gender. Although, not really putting in a whole lot of effort into appearing non-binary the description of the effort thing mentioned here matches my own insecurities that neither do I call myself cis. Accepting a label that others refer to you as, can be complicated.
When Shatner started yammering about this I immediately thought of you. I noticed that picture of you with him in the background of your videos and I figured it would only be a matter of time until he disappointed you. I'm sorry. I unfollowed him months ago, frankly the guy is an arrogant jerk on twitter. Surprising I know. Look, I think you've given him too much credit. I didn't know what CIS was until a couple of months ago either. I assumed it was derogatory. But then hey, I realized that I'm on the internet and I just googled 'CIS' and figured out what it meant. He doesn't need anyone to teach him. He's internet savy. I don't think my mom (who is actually younger than shatner go figure) could figure it out but she doesn't spend all day on twitter snarking on her fans and complaining about her eroding white privilege. She spends her time watching cooking and home improvement shows. Long story short, Shatner has no excuse. Also i think you downplayed just how much he's been tweeting about it and for how long. In short he's being a real richard head. As a star trek fan all I can say is thank odin for patrick stewart. He's always so lovely. I doubt we have to worry about him letting us down. This is all just another brick in the wall of the argument of how superior picard is to kirk.
Really great video! You broke down the William Shatner situation very well. Additionally, I've never actually heard the term "gender critical" before, so this video has taught me something i should be on the lookout for. Thank you! Also your purple star trek poster/artwork is beautiful!
I am so glad The Algorithm showed me one of your videos. Every one I’ve watched has been a joy! You display so much thought, kindness, and understanding. All the things we need more of in this world! When we divide people into groups, we need terms to describe the majority as well as the minority. Preferably terms that are not derogatory, just descriptive. You gave good examples. In my lifetime a polite term for a minority has shifted, at their communal request, from Negro to Black to African-American and back to Black. All good with me. People I know named Robert like to be called Bob, Rob, Robby, or Robert. My respecting their preferences is the first step of good manners. Another example is Autism. Those of us not on the Autism spectrum are “neurotypical”. Calling the majority group “normal” is pejorative to the minority.
Jesse, I am so impressed with your message of compassion. In today's online reactionary society, the tendency is generally to lash out at people whose ideas and actions go against what we believe (or who sometimes in ignorance blunder into making phobic comments that harm others). But, you are advocating for tolerance and wish to think the best of people, despite their flaws. Bless you! I think part of the challenge of responding intelligently and tolerantly in a social media context is that, unless you are one of the first people to respond to a post or a tweet of a celebrity (or other person with a large SM following), chances are that a tolerant, non-confrontational response will get buried in a sea of other vehemently pro or con responses. And the online conversation, unfortunately, will just polarize further. I don't know if there's a solution to this problem given that social media literally feeds on excitement and controversy. But, here's hoping that enough people have watched this video, take your message to heart, and will subsequently try to inject more tolerance into the online community and change it for the better.
Blank Blanckersen It is the best descriptor we have since Dax is, as far as we can tell, a gender-less symbiont. Jadzia Dax was a she, Curzon Dax was a he, but Dax is an it, though I’m guessing that Trill probably has a specific word for them. I don’t know Trill, though.
@@adorabell4253 I love how ST opens up discussions about gender. Is Jadzia trans? "Well, that's complicated, lets sit down and hash that out in a nerdy friendly way."
My guess as to why cis men are offended by the term cis is because they hear it as sis, like sissy, like a "sissy boy". I could be way off base, and if that is the reason, it's just another example of toxic masculinity.
If it offends someone to be called a thing, shouldn't we respect that? Isnt that the whole point of respecting pronouns? I read the thread and Shatner consistently said that labels are devisive in his opinion and he doesnt like them. Why should that not be respected? If a trans person said they did not like to ve called trans, I would respect that, not try to shame them unto accepting the label i feel is appropriate.
But according to Mr. Shatner he is Cis gendered. What would he like to be described as? He doesn't seem to say, but I suspect the answer would be "normal", which would make anyone who is not like him what, abnormal? If you ask me, Cis Gender is a much more benign term because it does not imply denigration of others who are different.
This is the first video I've seen that describes the Cycle so succinctly. It does lead to a feeling of powerlessness because in the end we are all human and we do react to things emotionally, even overpowered celebrities with massive platforms. The internet is a reactive place in the end, and it takes so little to respond to anything in the moment rather than taking the time to reflect. I dont really have a solution to the problem, I'm but one voice in the echo chamber, but it is nice to have someone explain these issues calmly and eloquently. So thanks for that. I really enjoyed your perspective and am grateful for the effort you put into expressing it.
Personally I don't think it should be the job of the oppressed to coddle people whose opinions are potentially very harmful to us. I think it should be the cis allies who step in and try to educate their fellows about the issues at hand, partly because they won't feel personally upset by their words and will therefore have at least some emotional distance to be able to engage with that level of potential harm. Then again, a (fellow trans) friend of mine got blocked on Twitter by voice actor Greg Ellis - whom recently came out in support of JKR - merely for suggesting trans people should be allowed to live their lives in peace, so maybe some people REALLY just don't want to listen. -_-
Any word can be used as an insult, it all depends on the emotion and intent behind the word when used. The one problem with cis though is the fact that cis people didn’t choose it, and so don’t identify that way. There is some level of double standards when a group (even a marginalised one) who is very interested in choosing their own labels to identify themselves and help them carve out their place in the world then choosing a word to label another group. I don’t think any group would be happy to have another group choose their label, their identity. Don’t think that I don’t agree with most of what you said, but this idea just popped into my head. Amazing channel, will be watching much more, you are great x
I'm trans and I called my sibling cis just casually and they got pissed off and was like "don't label me like that!" And I tried to explain the term to them but they still didn't get it. Jokes on them, they identify as gender fluid now lol
You put so much care and patience into trying to explain this as gently as possible, it's a shame he and many others don't put in the effort to listen.
You are emulating the Shatnerspeech. Very good! German not so much. The German scientist called it Zissexual back then. While I did not found the word Nosomorphic, I found the latin words noso (means sick or suffering) and morphic (means physical form [Gestalt in German]). Zis (latin syllable) means: "On this side". Was that Picard playing a flute at the end?
I think the (at least part) of issue with the term/prefix "Cis-" sounds and look terrible and can make the easy jump to a rather emasculating/fetishized slur againt someone to the uninformed ear.
@Memelord that's why normally put things to the sense test. If I knew nothing about this word/thing/concept/etc, then what does it look/sound/feel/smell/taste like. the prefix Cis, to me, fails the look, sound and feel aspects (taste and smell don't apply). So when I apply it to someone like Shatner, whom was born in 1931 (like my biological father) and spent his formative years in the 1940's and ventured into the world in the 1950's, I have to look at the world from that context/understanding to see how they see the word/thing/concept/etc. People do change, learn grow and come to understand more. But for some, some things/ideas are easy to incorporate or like advanced trigonometry and they'll never bother learning it. Shatner strikes me as someone who, while fairly conservative is open to new ideas if presented to him in a digestible format. As for JK Rowling, I don't see someone there who is open to new ideas. Her writings on the trans community seems to treat transwomen with the same seething anger and open hostility (wrapped in the thin veneer of culture war politics) that fox news opinion show personalities use. Its like she's turning into female form Bill O'Reilly or Hannity. *Barf*
@Memelord No kidding. Terfs are insidious. The same tactics are/were used by the religious right back in the 80's and 90's and decades before that in the 60's and 70's But as for Shatner, image the world for 10 year old shatner in 1941. Then compare it to now. How much change he has seen. Digging in and doubling down is him protecting himself. Terf's exploits that by acting as a friendly ally that says "You're right, it's them not you. We are one in the same as you, here's a pamphlet to the Cult of TERF" and sells a brand of ear poison that fox news peddles in.
If you took chemistry in school it should be obvious what cis means, I don’t really know how one would make it more clear. If you see a word you don’t know and assume it’s bad because you just decided not to look it up even though you could google in in two seconds, idk what to tell you.
@@emmanarotzky6565 I don't think you read what I said. The average person doesn't run their what they hear through chemistry class lessons. They don't walk with dictionaries and whip out their phone and google everything they don't understand. They hear a sound and react to it. Humans are reactionary creatures responding to their world impulsively. And this impulsiveness and reactionary nature tends to become more dominate as people grow older, their minds need more time to understand the world and the brain skips over stuff to try and stay sharp. I don't know what you're age is or anything about you or your experiences, but I implore you to take a minute, place yourself in their shoes, their lives and experiences and ask yourself if their reaction is fitting with yours. Empathy matters.
As someone who was born as a man, and identifies as that gender. I have had several times where I have my friends would rant about men and what they do is horrible etc. so to me, I’m listening to somebody vent there frustration with their experiences and doesn’t apply to me cause then they wouldn’t be so open to talking to me about it. My roommate is a trans man, and is one of the main reasons why I continue to educate myself on trans rights and follow such amazing creators like you.
I wish I could find it but I saw a video were an African American man was describing the difference between “White people” and people who happen to be white. Basically his thesis was that white people ignore their privilege where people who happen to be white recognize their privilege and use that privilege to make things more equal. It made me realize that I want to be someone who happens to be white, cis, male, heteronormative.
This kinda makes me think of when my friend talks about hating women but that has very different connotations
@@kvoltti first time i heard of that concept is from Amanda Seales. Not a black man but still.
I wish more cis men would be like this I'm hesitant of white and some other cis men, because they hold more power they are more likely to feel entitled to the world including people's bodies etc. The ignorance of privilege is strong. Not all white cis men but definitely a lot more than other types of people.
Though it would be more correct for you to say that you were born as a CIS man because trans men are also born men just they develop differently
"People prefer to describe what a thing is rather than what it isn't"
*Laughs in Nonbinary*
*Laughs in Atheist*
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It was my then teenage son who explained cis to me, about 10 years ago. He said the term cis gender and I was like, "um, what's that?" he said "Dad, are you transgender?" I said "no, I id as the male body I was born into". He then said, "It's like in chemistry, you have cis and trans protiens, right? If you're not trans, you are cis." And I was like, "Oh, cool. I guess I never wondered what a not-trans person was called, my bad."
my name is Wellington and I'm a cis male.
It makes sense. First time I came across the term, I got it right away, and just figured it was part of the discourse. But, I speak Latin, so...
@@ChristyAbbey so, you're a nerd. A wonderful and glorious logophile 💖
@@wellingtonsmith4998 Well, I do have logorrhea...
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I wish more parents were like you.
"My name is Kermit and I speak for the theys. If you misgender them, I'll number your days"
"My name is Kermit and I speak for the trans. If you misgender them, they won't find you in the van."
Don't worry Jessie, Kermit won't ever do us dirty like Rowling and Shatner.
Wasn‘t Kermit reborn as this grifter person from Canada? It‘s not easy, being 🐸
I would love to hear this as song lyrics set to music. I could even help songwrite, with your permission.
For reference, I wrote & sang this parody of "Rainbow Connection" remembering the good traits of a dear friend that passed: ruclips.net/video/rm9_aByphNk/видео.html
@@thedevicebook that would be cool, but the first one is something I heard on tiktok so I don't technically have the right to do anything but repeat it, and the second I made up based on the first (which is why its less good and more dark) but thanks for the compliment n offer! your parody is good; im sorry about your friend, they sounded awesome.
@@sebastianwei7721 a distant cousin
marginilized people: (downtrodden voice) systems suck
everyone else: how dare you call the system that im in bad? im not bad!! youre just being a victim!!!
what about that one line martin luther king said! you know, the one line everyone uses and definitely hasn't been misused at all!
It's also because marginalized people have to deal with this _every single day_ and it's exhausting. No one has the time and energy to educate every celebrity who can't be bothered to look into things themselves. I know realistically it can't be helped, because if we don't try to explain it to them then who will? But gods, it's a fulltime job and most of the time they won't hear you anyway.
Why bother to explain to them? Just get hold of their publicists and management teams. Most celebs will parrot what their managers and paymasters tell them even if its utter nonsense. Its not difficult to educate but there are many among the marginilized who are bad faith actors who get to the minds of the undecided first and poison the well. We know Cis, White, old, man are descriptors but when used the way most people see it online, no surprise they consider such terms are insulting and those who use them as talking for bad faith.
It’s because no one gives a rats ass, it’s all you transformers think and talk about no one else looks into because they have a life outside of their gender identity. Unfortunately, you are not as important as you thought you were.
"c and s shouldn't be that close in a word" :cough: science :cough: lol
(Cough) School.
That's "s" and "c" not "c" and "s"
Totally different. I guess.
@@jolan_tru Plot twist: "Cast" and "Cost" appear.
success, succulent, cussing, sack, cask, cistern, cosmic.
Let's just make a list.
maybe it should be "Vowels shouldn't be playing Lucky Pierre in between S and C."
nearly any combination of vowel between S and C or C and S sounds dirty or innuendo
Why did he keep capitalizing cis anyway? Does he think it's an acronym or something?
Jessica Duane could be an autocorrect thing with his device. Sometimes my phone or iPad will take a short word that I clearly doesn’t recognise and capitalise it like it’s an acronym
Some think it means comfortable in skin maybe he is one of those people? or it could just be emphasis since that's really the only form of emphasis on social media.
Maybe he's a Star Wars fan?
He's a confused boomer, enough said.
He's way too old to be a Boomer but pretty much
how is cis a slur and trans not. double standards smh
neither word in itself is a slur but in context it can be so can gay and black or yellow. words arent just its definition with other words it can mean something completely different.
@Memelord ''We are the 'normal' people yet crazy people are oppressing us!'' Lol this just directly exposes their bigotry (they think people other than themselves are not normal) and proves our point.
To people accustomed to privilege, equality can seem like oppression.
Because isnt cis also a medical term?
@Johnny Jones no it's a scientific term. Also trans people want to be called women and men. Not trans. Cis is literally a scientific term. Most trans people would be perfer being considered actual men and women but sadly noone will call them that.
@Johnny Jones it's a medical term that's existed since the 1990s.
I learned about Cis vs. Trans as it is used in chemistry several years before I was even aware of the concept of transgender. Because of how cis and trans is used in chemistry and biology, it made total sense to me when I first heard the term cisgender.
Exactly! I first met the prefixes "cis" and "trans" in the late 1970s, in an organic-chemistry lecture focusing on substituents across or on the same side of a double bond in a hydrocarbon molecule (my fellow chemistry geeks will know 😉); when I first saw them years later in discussions involving transgender issues, I found it a delightfully logical metaphor extending the chemical usage in a clear, non-loaded (or so I thought) manner. That said, I have never personally heard "cis" or "cisgender" used as snarl word or hate word, but only as a mere neutral descriptive. (FTR, I'm still likely to see "CIS" and think first of the Commonwealth of Independent States [breakdown product of the USSR], or "Trans" and think of an atypical Neil Young album, so context is essential. 😉)
Same here.
Me, Years after my last chemistry exam: "Huh, turns out I AM that flipped molecule...!"
@@NIRDIAN1 Are you sure you're not thinking of dextro- vs. levorotatory (D vs. L) optically-active organic molecules? 😉💊 Okay, geek-out over...remember: in chemistry, cis or trans all depends where the second substituent lies WRT the double bond, about which rotation is very limited -- but cis or trans in human life is all about knowing, and being free to live as, one's true self, a human birthright.
Same here! It made complete sense to me because I also first learned it in science class. And I don't find cis an insult becauae trans isn't an insult, so cis couldn't possibly be insulting....if that makes sense.
@@bs4e I mean, I see it levied as synonymous with "boring" or "clueless" a lot. It's used dismissively like, you couldn't possibly understand, you're just cisgender, take a seat. Or like if you're cisgender it's because you lack the ability to question your gender identity. Not everyone will levy the term that way but as long as some are there's going to be pushback against being called that. For example "fat" is really just a descriptive word right? It's a quicker way to describe someone that is overweight. But it's also not something you call someone to their face. Because some people levy that word as an insult.
As a cis woman, I can definitely say that some people, who don’t know what oppression feels like, get offended by being labeled anything, even if it’s simply factual lol
TERFs getting offended by being called TERFs when the term literally describes their ideology, boomers getting mad at being called that "slur" by gen z even though gen z didn't invent that term etc. etc.
I learned about "trans" and "cis" in high school chemistry, and the term never meant anything but technical and descriptive to me.
Love this commentary and your perspective.
Congrats on managing to be cut off from social politics for so long. What words mean in one context do not carry that meaning to another context. Negro is a technically descriptive word from another language too, start referring to black people by that term for that reason and see how well it goes for you.
@@VergilSDT are you honestly equating "cis" to "n---"? Really? Wow.
@@dwc1964 I said Negro, which is not the same as the N word. Apparently, you missed the point.
@@VergilSDT apparently you did too - either way, it's an absurd inversion of the actual social dynamic
@@dwc1964 I addressed the point that was made by using the same logic they did. It's not absurd, I literally did the same thing they did, if you find a problem with that then my point is made.
I think age is a factor. 30 years ago, if someone told me that “I’ll be back” Arnold would become a governor, I would laugh. I’d also laugh if someone told me a few years later that “You’re fired” Trump would be my president. 15 years ago, if someone told me that I was gay, I’d be livid, since I was married with a female (now my fiancé is male). 5 years ago, if someone told me that my father was going to become a father again, I would laugh- now I have a 3 year old sister. All of these things have happened. Change is hard, and adaptation is what PEOPLE need. People that don’t adapt, their life becomes too hard to survive. -Hugs, Scot.
Change always occurs. Nothing should be impossible with education and opportunities. Arnold and Trump being successful political leaders is a sign on how easy it is to win office and that fame and spin matter more than substance. Both were decent economically so there is that.
Minds change, people mature. Never thought I would marry my wife due to very petty things but we been married 10 years. Love and communication trumps hate. If you actually are willing to let go of your own bias and acceptance of bad faith, that is.
I wouldn't have been surprised that Big Arnie became governor--we had the example of Reagan.
What would have shocked me was to hear that he ended up on a quest to convince conservatives that global warming is real and they shouldn't promote hate groups.
@@MattMcIrvin : I was never surprised by Arnie’s achievements, as I could see how driven he was from the outset. But I’d seen Pumping Iron before he was a star. What surprised me was that he married a Kennedy!
ooook.... yeah...errr... his first tweet wasn't bad at all, but when he goes "...take your blinders off..", last time I had someone I love say that in a conversation, a few months later I find the person defends Alt Right principles... it's kind of one step away from "red pill" being used in a conversation... I'd joke about getting George Takei to phone him and explain to him.... but honestly... since when George Takei's job to become our trekkie LGBTQ Godfather? Even tho... I do quite think of him that way
exactly also, theres no irony (ha) that WS threw public hissy fit upon not being invited to Mr Takei's wedding.
I can’t say that a call to taking a dose of reality is strictly alt-right, but it’s definitely built on principles... unlike most of the things Shatner has recently criticized.
Takei HATES Shatner for some reason, and I'm thinking the current kerfuffle is at least tangentially related to why. Shatner taking this aggrieved position, and refusing to listen to those kindly explaining things...I refuse to speculate publicly, but I suspect there's more going on beneath the surface here. This might be a part of his fundamental disposition.
I won't give up hope he might change his mind later on, but Takei won't be the one to change it. There's no love lost between them.
@@DrTssha go over to autistic Twitter and ask them about him, it'll clear some of this up. Not new for him.
Shatner wouldn't even learn how to pronounce Takei's name correctly after years of working together, which speaks volumes enough on its own.
He also has a past of ableism and has definitely reinforced terrible things when it comes to people on the autism spectrum.I don't get the feeling he cares enough to learn from his mistakes.
This. This this thissity this this this.
Tttthhhiiiiis
He really doesn't like ASD people
I'm really sorry, but I couldn't stop laughing when you said that German phrase. It's not particularly that it was so horribly wrong, you just used a "Hitler accent" as we call it. No one actually talks that way, but it somehow became a stereotype for all Germans and it's always funny if someone misuses that because he or she thinks it's "normal german". I'm sorry for any errors in here, I love your videos and how you can explain a complicated topic like that so easily 😉👍
The C and S are closer in "science." Sci-fi is sad about your opinion on letter distance.
That's "s and c" not "c and s"
Totally different.
I can't think of many words with a "c" before an "s"
Castrate?
Cosine?
...
Costco?!
Castle. That's a nice word.
@@jolan_tru but let's not ignore the fact that since the letter 'i' is so narrow the 'c' and 's' in 'cis' are uncomfortably close, more than they are in words starting with 'cas' or 'cos'
I think the real problem is the C and S (both taking "s" form) combined with the letter I makes a rather unsettling snake-like hissss. This would naturally put anyone on edge.
Also C is just a shifty bugger who steals its sound from other letters like S and K unstead of coming up with something original.
I'm pretty certain that it's because it's too similar to "sissy", that's why some are offended by the term.
As a cisgender, I am just guessing. I had never even heard of the term until I caught this video, but that is the first thing that popped into my head when I heard it (sissy gender 😂🤣).
Excuse the humour, I am British 😀
as a cis white male, I am by far the most priviledged demographic in North America. and yet, I kinda want to field this one...
When I first encounteted the term Cis, I was somewhat annoyed, my visceral reaction, although not this articulate, was something like "What is this new label that is now being added to me"
Some people will fight labels, no matter what the label is and how accurate it is, because it is not a label they have chosen for themselves.
I have plenty of other labels that fit me, which I chose for myself, I am a nerd because I like Trek, Star Wars, collect Transformers, etc, I am a sports fan because I Love the Montreal Canadiens and all of baseball (until the Expos come back) I am a car guy who drives a muscle car. I am also a Bronie and a She-Ra fan.
Shatner didn't choose the Cis label for himself and thus has an instinct to push back against it, no matter the fact that the label fits him.
As a man who has decided to improve myself in the last few years, I want to and actively seek out the opinions of those who are not as favored as me by society, which is why I subscribed to your channel after Steve Shives recommended your video on the women of Star Trek. I only wish for Shatner, and really everyone else for that matter, to realize that often, it is more important to listen to others than to give your opinion without giving it any thought!
I hope someone tweets this video to Bill and he actually watches it, it would do him some good to encounter your voice!
There's no such thing as white male privilege.
Steve Shives? Well there's your problem. I didn't know that pathetic weasel was even still relevant.
@@VergilSDT I am curious, how exactly, your thought process works that you think, on THIS video specifically, that it's appropriate to start throwing insults around! go crawl back in the hole you escaped from and let the earth forget your ever set foot on it!
@@Cedrickr That's not an argument, try again.
@@VergilSDT considering you served up no arguement yourself, I really don't need to give one either
Enjoy your useless, irrelevant life of being a rude sack of meat
Well of course the term CIS is offensive..... I mean don't you care about the droid attack on the wookies....... :)
(For non Star Wars fans the CIS were the faction with the droid army)
Damn clankers! We lost too many good clones in that war!
Ki-Adi-Mundi at it again. Saving the universe with his wise insights.
Were they content with being a faction of the droid army??? Were they content with being droids??? Were they content with being battle droids??? If so then cis fits
1. Well a video that starts with etymology from Latin is bound to be brilliant, no surprise there!
2. White and cis often implies privilege that white, cis people (including myself) might neither realize nor care to acknowledge.
3. Any outsider description, including cis, can threaten our identity quite a lot. How comfortable to just label yourself "normal" and have special words only for those that are different from you!
Jessie,
I have to make a sad confession: like you speculated with Shatner and several other people, I first came across the term cis when someone somewhere on the internet was making angry comments. The next 5 comments or so had the same temperament and theme. So immediately my thoughts were that cis was a bad word, I did not ask for this label, what did it even mean? Later I learned the full term was cisgender and that's when a light bulb went off. Up to that point it just did not occur to me that a term was needed to describe 'not trans', that trans people did not have to stick out and be unusual.
These are the kinds of thoughts that enter a person's brain when one does not personally know anyone transgender. Thank you for educating many of us, through our mutual love of Star Trek no less. And to everyone else in the comments, having to explain and educate over and over again is an exhausting task, but trust me, it's worth it. I don't see these discussions becoming normalised for a very long time, so bear in mind, most of the uneducated are people who, like me most likely, don't have any friends or family who a trans or non-conforming, so have nothing in their life experience to base their thoughts on.
Completely! And I'm v grateful u were willing to learn! The frustration is mainly bc we have to explain over and over and deal with constant harassment about our genitals and a lot of people dont listen to us or arent willing to do any research on their own
@@adamdawson6700 So far, I have a very helpful video from Mama Dr Jones explaining the differences between biological female, intersexed and transgender (and why she welcomes all of them as her patients). If I ever witness the thing you describe, I will show them that. They can't exactly dispute a doctor now, can they?
Many hugs to you Adam
Same actually! The first time I encountered the term cis, was when I was browsing memes on Tumblr and accidentally wandered into "die cis scum" territory. So I was very offended by the term for ages. But it wasn't until someone explained to me "it literally just means Not Trans". Then I was like "Ohhhhh!"
Then I had to have the exact same conversation with my fiance and now he's like "Ohhhhh!"
Unfortunately there are people quick to label someone as a malicious transphobe when it's just simple ignorance.
My fiance and I are now pretty fierce trans allies, but if it was never properly explained to us in the first place, that might not be the case.
So I see the situation with William Shatner as slightly different to JK Rowling...but yeah definitely some yikes moments in those tweets.
*casually sacrifices to the eldritch powers that control the alg*rthm*
So I am a board member of a charity for LGBTQ education and we have started using the term GSM (gender and sexual minority) community.
Its a catch all for all non cis hetero people and is way easier than the ever expanding LGBTQ+ acronym.
GSM is still a relative new term, but one we have adopted as an organization.
Ooooo I love that!
I so hope it catches on! It's funny because it's the same as the old mobile network xD But I've been hoping for a better one :) I'd use "q ** community" but some people have an issue with it and RUclips sometimes deletes comments with it... Let's see if this one posts... (This is the fourth attempt at posting... funny coincidence, when the vid is about someone being angry about a useful word 😂 )
Please consider using GSRM (gender, sexual, and romantic minorities) instead, to be inclusive of aromantic folks and others who use the SAM (split attraction model) and have a romantic orientation that is not hetero.
So FYI, my charity is the Outright Libertarians.
Our policy goal is twofold.
1. Inform the Libertarian Party about GSM history, education, and political policy related to GSM people
2. Create a more welcoming home for GSM Libertarians who may feel politically homeless from the Republican or Democratic parties.
We are chaired by an amazing trans activist and on our board we have diversity among the GSM community (and allies) represented.
I am also currently a GSM candidate for US Congress in the GA 5th district special election this September. Chaseforhouse.com if anyone is interested.
Jessie,
I want to say thanks for being such an amazing content creator and voice for trans people.
As both an activist, and a trekkie, I am in awe of your creativity, commentary and general wonderful job you do as a content creator on RUclips.
It makes me happy to see more and more visible GSM (especially trans) voices in the new media sphere.
Keep being amazing and Live Long and Prosper.
@@ColorMeCrystal27 I will speak with our board about it. Thanks for the feedback.
It's a sad fact of life that people who had the best opinions all their life sometimes start saying hurtfull shit in their old age, because they lost touch.
And shatner once wanted to wrestle a tiger on camera when he was younger. And now he's really really old.
Get a life, Bill
I don’t know about Kermit but Mickey Mouse might be.
Kermit would NEVER
Never trust the mouse
Mr. Shatner has a history of Ableism too. Circa like 2011 or maybe earlier He had "twitter feud" with ASAN & one Trans founder in particular . They worked & used lots of energy to be fairly constructive. It didn't seem to be received constructively. Sadly things don't seem to have improved either .
Oh God THAT'S what made me stop liking him
It's sometimes hard to remember which celeb did what. Benny C has a pretty problematic history with ableism of the same kind. Benny C telling actual autistic people who see their own traits that Sherlock isn't autistic because Benny C has MET people with that and knows how heartbreaking it is
Thanks friend
Benedict's words: "“I don’t think he was on the spectrum, I think a lot of people are very lazy with that. I think it’s a really dangerous thing to toy with that. People talk about me doing that quite a lot and that being a good thing for people who are on the spectrum, which is great. But I don’t go into a job going, ‘Is this autism? Is this Asperger’s? Is this some other form of slight learning difficulty or disability?’ I’m very wary of that, because I’ve met people with those conditions. It’s a real struggle all the time. Then these people pop up in my work and they’re sort of brilliant, and they on some levels almost offer false hope for the people who are going through the reality of it.”
Rage.
Also he went to visit autistic kids while studying for the role of Frankenstein's monster. Which is a choice. Thanks I hate it
@@annedavis3340 lemme guess he sat with Mummys & they "broken" children & ABA "providers" & was "moved" by suffering? ugh Dude spectrum means variation. You missed the point
@@emcrolls yip yipe yup. You won't be surprised he talked about how "brave" people are who work with autistics, and how the kids were an "inspiration"
Check, check, and check, please 🤬
As a german trans woman, let me say this, Jessie: Your germish sounds adorable :)
"I'm like the whitest person ever"
Wanna bet? My bones are legitimately darker than my skin.
ok, think i get why some think cis is a slur. when an angry tweet says "why are my fellow cis men, like Bill Shatner, getting their undies in a twist over this"; there is a part of me that has a bit of empathy and I say to myself "I guess that might have hurt the Captains feelings"
but omg, trying to contact a millionaire celebrity with a message of hope and education is impossible for people like me. Here's to hoping that Jessie's message will reach and change Mr Shatner.
First JKR now Bill Shatner? If anything happens to Ian McKellen I’m just going to curl into a ball and cry.
He's so lovely I would be extremely surprised
And next John Cleese!
ian is gay, so i doubt it.
...john cleese though... :/
@@SuperEkkorn A gay can be transphobe.
@@malakine6306 sure, but from what i've seen ian doesn't hold those views. john cleese has already tweeted transphobic/transphobic adjacent statements. i shouldn't have phrased it like that.
Kermit the frog is mild mannered! It's Statler and Waldorf who might tweet drunken rants.
I do not know if Jim Henson ever said Trans Rights (or if that was even a phrase that was spoken when he was alive) but I am morally certain that he would be all about that.
Statler: I liked most of this video, except for the ending
Waldorf: well how would you change it?
Statler: put it 29 minutes closer to the beginning!
When I was first called an introvert I got offended because it 'sounded' like a swearword and I didn't know what it meant. Maybe that's the case here, some education goes a long way.
shat's problem is that he was educated on the subject, and rejected it.
As a cis person, I don’t get why cis people get so angry being called a normal Latin prefix that just means “on the same side”. Heck, it’s used in chemistry, the first recorded use was in a German sexology book in 1914 (Ernst Buchard, “Lexikon des gesamten Sexuallebens”, even if to be fair it was used to describe “cisvestitismus”, which is described as “the inclination to put on clothing of other ages, classes or professions and the same gender for sexual recreation”, still related to gender identity)! It’s kinda very dumb that people get so pressed imo
(Edits made to elaborate and correct certain points :P)
Your citation raises another dimension of the problem, and perhaps serves to answer your question:
When people of all stripes talk about "censorship" (real or imagined) they invoke a photo of Nazis burning books in 1933. They almost universally fail to mention that one very specific target of those book-burnings was the Institute for Sexual Sciences. Because any actual science that contradicted "The Science" of absolute binary sexuality and gender was anathema. And this, sadly, was central to the _mass appeal_ of the Nazis, tapping into and amplifying the appeal to rigid hierarchies and "Order" that attracted their mass base to them.
And so it has ever been, and remains still.
I think it really depends on how you came across the word in question. I got informed about not-bein-trans is cis in a conversation that I was next second already excluded from, even though I was talking about personal experiences in other areas that were meaningful and related to the issue at hand, from my point of view. Sure, I'm cis, but I still care, I still know what it feels like to be excluded or worse, in actual danger, not because of any of your own decisions, but because you are who and what you are - in short, I didn't like being excluded, especially because I was very interested in getting to know more about the experiences of other participants of the conversation. Being sidelined with 'oh, you're cis, you don't get it' is just hurtful, even if and when it's probably at least somewhat true.
If your predominant contact with any given word is a hurtful one, that does color your understanding of the word to the point of having a really hard time to open up to the original, not derogative meaning.
I think Jesse has explained that really great, so as much as you are of course right about the 'real' meaning of the word cis, and as much as no one should really be bothered by being called cis, if this is the word that is used to belittle, exclude or hurt you, than it takes bravery and loads of goodwill on both sides to get over this first reading that was taught so painfully. Just pointing out 'look it up, silly, it's really nothing bad' is perfectly correct, but just not very useful for anyone involved.
Sorry for bad english, spelling or rambling, it's not my native language and it's way late here. :-)
It's probably pretty unlikely but I hope William Shatner sees this video. I would like to hope that he'd be open and good-humoured enough to learn from it.
I don't care if Bill actually comes up with a good argument. I'm siding with the Greatest RUclipsr of All Time.
I think the real problem is the C and S (both taking an "s" form) combined with the letter I makes a rather unsettling snake-like hissss. This would naturally put anyone on edge. At least anyone that enjoys living.
Also, C is just a shifty bugger who steals its sound from other letters like S and K unstead of coming up with something original. Its a terrible first impression for any word.
But snakes are cute...
My buddy James said it best when he explained how any word can be misconstrued as an insult depending on context. He said that if someone introduced him to a new coworker as "This is our accountant James, he's Irish.", That's all cool and good. If that same guy says "James you fucked our taxes you Irish bastard", then he immediately kicks them in the face. For that brief moment, he hears the tone and the neutral word as connected, when logically there isn't any connection.
The editing and writing in this episode is fantastic.
The only thing I have in contention here is the idea that trans people should be assuming the role of educators on trans issues to celebrities. I get that correcting harmful views politely is the best way to try and convince people to change their mind, but it is _exhausting_ to have to do that constantly. Like we always have to justify our existence and how we talk about our experiences.
The information exists online, it's not hard to find, and celebrities do indeed have the reach to figure it out themselves. And it's preferable if they would, you know?
But I guess we're emotionally responsive creatures.
Two points - 1) every minority winds up being an educator about themselves to others because 2) you can't rely on people finding information online and it being accurate or thorough...let alone if people read it and comprehend it.
Anti-social media has just made it worse and more in-your-face.
I thought that the main point Jessie was making is, don't do your shouting direct at Shatner, vent to you friends. And maybe Shatner will educate himself in due time without being driven into being a megaphone for actual transphobes. I mean, she talks a lot of sense. But I sure get a similar sense to that black person who wrote that book about why (s)he was no longer talking to white people about race. That's the same sense of exasperation and exhaustion there.
When I first encountered the term cis (while trying to discover myself, I currently identify as genderfluid, which is also unacceptable to many) I was brusquely directed to an article about it. It perhaps made a cursory explanation and then proceeded to basically say why it was bad. My first encounter was terrible, and I felt VERY attacked. It made me wish that I was trans, so I could be not-cis. I have a better understanding these days, and me being me, would attempt to explain, rather than directing someone to an article or something that made them feel it was wrong to be cis.
These "self burn" style jokes speak to me on a deep level. 🤣🤣🤣
I was not happy about this turn of events. Thank you for talking about this.
I interpreted the last part of his tweet regarding racism differently. I thought he was saying white people aren't the only ones who are racist, not that white people were once the victims of racism.
Same. Ain't that right, China, Brazil, Myanmar, anywhere ethnic cleansing has taken place?
If I was ever in a conversation about sexual orientation I used to refer to myself as a straight male I now know the term cisgender man I do not take it as a derogatory remark at all. His last time it is disturbing to me for a different reason they adopt victimhood and then try to argue racism. If he not adopting victimhood in this situation. I hear the word cisgender man I'm not offended. If I tell you how many times I've been stopped by police and search even though I'm a law-abiding citizen who did nothing am I adopting victimhood or am I strictly telling you in the context of a conversation we're having about something that happened to me.
While I obviously think Shatner is wrong and there's nothing wrong with the term 'cis' (seriously, it's purely descriptive, I don't see how it can have offensive connotations) I do see where he's coming from: He's old, and probably the first time he heard the word 'cis' was in phrases like "die cis scum" which used to be really popular among overzealous wokescolds back when Tumblr was a thing.
I haven't seen that phrase used in ages though, so Shatner's reaction still surprises me somewhat. I don't think he's a transphobe (yet) but he should get educated if he doesn't want to become one. Preferably by trusted acquaintances and not by a twitter mob.
@SidheKnight I agree, he hasn't gone full on Rowling yet but hopefully he educates himself before he does lol
Honestly, the first several times I heard "cis" used, it was obviously Being used as a synonym for "boring". I googled it eventually (because I'm at that age where you have to Google slang) and was surprised that it had anything to do with gender issues, since it had come up in a video game forum and the discussion had nothing to do with any of that.
@@faiaflrt _I'm at that age where you have to Google slang_
OMG me too! I feel so old..
Either that or English not being my first language means I have no reference for slang.
To be fair, the prefixes 'cis' and 'trans' are not only used for gender. They literally mean "this side of" and "the other side of" respectively.
For example, in geography:
Transylvania = "On the other side of the forest" or "Beyond the forest".
Cisplatine Province = "Province this side of the Rio de la Plata"
You have to have been completely asleep the last several years to not be aware that cis is often used as a dismissive pejorative. It's used by the same people and in the same way as phrases like "if you're not a women you cant have an opinion on abortion". The word is used more often as a pejorative than mere descriptor. Come back when you've caught up with reality.
@@VergilSDT Imagine thinking that someone not being interested in your opinion that probably has no basis in personal experience is the same thing as a slur.
Apology accepted. 😉 I mean you tolerate my English in the comment section, so my ears can bear your pronunciation. And my strange humor like in the previous sentence.
Okay, Volkmar Sigusch is itself a challenge but "nosomorpher" that's a word he probably came up by himself because "nosomorph" (the "Positiv", basic form of an adjective... Interesting, seems as if I forgot about the term) is nowhere to be found.
Not even in the "Duden", the German dictionary which, as I just found out adopted "cisgender" as a new word.
That's ironic isn't it?
In general, I believe that many make the "mistake" to speak German words faster than they should. So, it's better to take your time. Although in this case I would have had my problems with that word "nosomorpher" as well because as stated above that's not a word one would use very often... Actually, never. 😉
Fascinating to me is the fact that a German invented the word "cis" in the first place because it is much more common in the English language. I first encountered it about 1.5 years ago. But I guess it's because of the fact that we have just one word, Geschlecht, for gender, sex and lineage, that "gender" and "cisgender" is even more problematic in our language and probably thinking.
Thoughts form words but words also influence your thoughts, so the whole "gender"-thing is new, is also a bit alien to us.
I for example oppose "Genderisierung" (genderization) in the German language in many cases, meaning giving words female endings etc. like using instead of just "Mitarbeiter" (employee) the "MitarbeiterIn" because the original word is just referring to men anx with the "In" you include women as well. And while I see why it's done, most of the time it seems to be more a political stunt than anything else. Changing thinking by changing the language is one thing but without action it rings hollow. Politicians want to express that women are equal to men for example? How about doing something like passing a law that says that women have to be paid the same as men? No? So, the whole thing is at best just to influence young people but not changing the present? It's actually just showing you change things without changing anything at all.
Anyway, it's a topic of it's own and would need a longer explanation.
Language after all is a difficult subject.
Maybe he could be asked which term he preferred. Perhaps the meaning of cis “here” and trans “on the other side” is too cis-normative for him and he prefers “homogender” and “heterogender” (although I know that the terms already exist and usually don’t refer to the identity of one person) or perhaps he is questioning whether he’s cis or trans himself and thinks the term puts him into a box he doesn’t fully belong to. I don’t really think that’s what he meant or that he’s given it too much thought, but I prefer not ruling out the possibility.
As for his claim that “cis” was a slur: For majorities it’s rather difficult to find a consensus if a term used to describe them might be considered a slur. So, if somebody tells us they feel offended by the term “cis”, we should probably best deal with it on an individual level: First, we should find out if they are transphobes. Probably they are but if they’re not, we should consider explaining our use of the term and if they still don’t like it, we should just go along with whatever term they’d prefer (as long as it’s not offensive itself).
Your sense of humor is honestly so great, I’ve never felt this informed and entertained at the same time!
It's a difficult period for me, being trans and living in a small town right now. Your content is helping me and keeping me from sinking too low.
When you hate labels but you have a laundry list of groups you’re a part of to contextualize your privilege and disadvantages
((Also as a biracial person that outwardly looks “black” I appreciate the way you spoke about racism as it can be an issue that mirrors trans issues))
What an incredibly well-articulated analysis, Jesse...your logic rivals T'Pring's.
i don't think Jessie is aiming to marry Stonn thought?
@C M If she isn't, I would...he's kind'a cute! But that's besides the point...
Wow, his entire ramble devolves into such inane hypocrisy I WISH it was funny
My ex got lost in Evangelical conservatism. She went from being a pretty decent and open person into a total fustercluck of neurotic and uptight prejudices. I think maybe she already had all of that bigotry lurking inside of her but didn't feel like confronting it or changing it but I don't know for certain.
Nowadays I know she's posting insulting trash and hateful memes online. We still have to interact from time to time and when I speak to her about it she says 'I have total respect for everyone' and 'People are free to make their own choices' but then she'll talk about the gay agenda like that's some evil and Satanic plot to rule the world and turn everyone gay and she'll dump on the trans community without a second thought. She's so lost, so scared and so fragile now that she lashes out at people she doesn't even know for reasons which make no sense by repeating talking points that aren't even true.
Seems to me that we are one people sharing just one small and delicate planet. We are human beings one and all. Our gender, our ethnicity or ethnicities, our faith or lack thereof, our jobs, our education... all of that other stuff can matter a lot because it's our personal experience and it can form a part of our identity but who other people are is only a problem if we allow it to be.
If my prejudices get in the way of seeing the humanity of others and if I fall short in understanding someone's right to a dignified and loving life of their choosing then that lack of recognition is not actually their problem, it's my problem and I had better look inside myself and find a better way to live.
Love you, Jessie. Thanks for all you do and all you are.
I don't just get where you're coming from, I've been living it recently.
So, little bit of context, I live in an area of city that is very much maligned. It has an amazing mix of people from all over, some are here for generations, others is a stepping stone in their lives. The area as a result is very multicultural, but its also a mix of people that are generally lower in terms of income, and there are crime problems, and occasional civil unrest.
Because of all this, the area has a certain reputation as a "shithole", and its frequently the target of news media, online commentaries, and social media racist messaging. Thing is, it gets lost that most people here are good people, and we get along, help each other out, and yes there are problems caused by socioeconomic difficulties, and years of neglect from government, I love nearly all these people.
I've spent a lot of time challenging racism online, and I end up being pulled into the bud) mid, rather than having decent debates. I've wasted so much of my life on this endeavour, and it is a waste because some people there is no point in engaging that way, they're doing it for attention or they are so sat in their views they can not and still not budge. Arguing with the intransigent is a waste of time.
So a couple of weeks back recognising that, I decided a different tact entirely was called for, so I setup a blog abs twitter account to celebrate the good on my area. To counter the negative views out there, not with arguments and debates, but actually showing what means the area great.
I'm two weeks in, I'm sure the net benefit my project has brought is minuscule compared with the challenges and the work others are currently doing, but it is getting noticed which is the first step in a long term project. I'm engaging with charities, business, politicians, community organisations and local notable people - I say this not to brag but to make a point: When I argued against those attacking my home online, there would be somewhere in the region of one to three people who stepped up to support, against one to three racists; within days of starting my new project I had dozens of people pledging support, and walking that path with me.
Thought it was pertinent, rather than just bragging, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't proud abs just a little impressed with myself, sorry. It's not exclusive, it's a path anyone can take and get the good feels about.
I think that's why I like Pride so much, and the West Indian Carnivals, they are moments of celebration, of raising up, and some of those moments become change, become movements.
I don't want to denigrate people fighting good fights, trying to fight wrongs, opposing tyranny, oppression and discrimination, they are important and vital, and the hopeful path alone won't completely change the world.
Lastly, just wanted to at my tuppence worth to 'All Lives Matter' - we've had a lot of this term here in the UK, but most of those using it are liars and hypocritics, as this week the people saying this have been pushing to close out refugees, they've said we've helped enough, we've helped too much, we need the navy to stop people trying to cross in boats, even hoping for a capsizing of a dinghy.
Sorry for the long response
I wrote that at 2am in the morning... was very tired, slightly drunk, and now I read it back, what a ramble. Sorry Jessie, loved the video though
@@jl_legend I liked it, you said some things that I needed to hear right now, and I actually found it very inspiring and positive. So thank you for that ramble.
I really appreciate the way you summarize the video before you get into it. It is amazing for my ADHD brain.
It’s also why I do it. Also helps you know what the goal and intention is
The first time I heard the term CIS was from this channel. I personally know gay people, but not any trans people. I don't find the term CIS offensive.
Honestly, you're talking about a guy who argued with a virologist about the efficacy of vaccines. I would take anything he says about anything with a big ol' grain of salt.
3:29 Bill: "stop labeling people because you don't understand what they are saying"
People from his generation and later: "hey what's wrong SNOWFLAKE?? Gonna get TRIGGERED??? Why don't you go get in your whambulance and go to your safe space to CRY ABOUT IT????"
Door makes sense than "not wall" because NW could also describe fans, farts and kitty cats. Door narrows it down substantialy.
'We don't need cis as a word because categorising people is a form of harassment' is the "I don't see race" of transphobia. Even when/if it's honest it's Utopian in a way that's deeply unhelpful.
How right you are...
@Aldon Autos Just some thoughts:
- You can critique the opinions or arguments of someone without offering a moral judgement on that person. Indeed I gave Shatner's position the absolute kindest reading possible, which feels right and proper given his previous stands against discriminatory practices.
- Someone can proffer an opinion on the rights of a marginalised community without that being the entirety of their identity.
- Being an artist doesn't mean political statements you make immune from criticism, indeed the more renown a person has the more care they should take that their public opinions should be carefully considered.
- (and just because I'm a pedant) Cis and Cis-gender aren't pronouns, I can't remember but I'm fairly sure noting in the video actually had to do with pronouns, Suggesting that trans discrimination is fundamentally about pronoun usage is like saying Jim Crow was only about where you could sit on a bus.
Thanks for this. I have been struggling not to lash out in anger against yet another childhood idol, and I think you brought good context to it.
I think there also must be room to separate the art from the artists for both good and ill. We can accept Harry Potter as a good moral story, and still hold JK Rowling to a higher standard of society. And I hope that we as a community can help educate William Shatner and others about these issues. I think you are right, we can help him live up to the ideals of Starfleet.
Plenty of people tried to be constructive with Rowling and explain trans issues, she ignored them and continued with her bigotry. She wasn't just ignorant or uninformed. She looked into trans experiences and knowing their experiences, turned around and misgendered and invalidated and belittled them and their experiences. I doubt Shatner lacked fans wanting to educate him and give him the benefit of the doubt.
I heard about what he's been doing on twitter, to tell the truth I was really surprised about William shatner
You are such a good woman. That’s a lot of emotional labor there and you’re so charitable and kind in your work! Thank you for doing so much good work! 💕
Humans have always had a tendency to segregate,as we find excuses , on basis of ethnicity, sexual orientation, financial position,class and what not. However, more often than not, it's irrespective of one's actual actions and merely on Criterions the aggressor doesn't understand or like.
Basically if you seek to understand, ask and you shall find and if you seek to segregate,hate , and discriminate,excuses you will find.
TL;DR:. When faced with something alien, we either worship it, fear it or do what we can to invalidate/erase it .
Great video. Your voice is important. I appreciate the nuance and thoughtfulness you show. Your ability to see things from other people's point of view is nice to hear. Have you or do you know anyone from the progressive side who has ever done a deep dive into "free speech vs holding people accountable for the harm their words cause? Your thoughts on that subject interested me the most.
Thank you for a really good breakdown of the topic
Thanks for addressing this.
I just can't help but think that Shatner picks fights where he doesn't need to. He picks and chooses what he responds to, and he seems to have a tendency to pick fights.
It disappoints me because he could use his platform to raise positivity rather than sow division.
I also couldn't help but notice that your head was in the way of where your photo with Shatner is normally placed...
He should have stuck to fighting Gorns and Klingons.
The letters "C" and "S" shouldn't be that close together....people named Cisco who live in San Francisco... 👁️👄👁️
It's actually good, because I looked it up, and got several different answers.
As a 51 year old heterosexual cis male I really enjoy your videos, I have watched several of your videos now, while I don't always agree with your views 100% I have never disagreed with your views 100%. Even on the subjects that I don't agree with you on 100% I respect your point of view and I also respect that in your videos you except the fact that humans are going to do stupid human things. I have admit that your videos have keep me from saying or doing things that may be interpreted as transphobic. I am going to be honest that I have in my past done things that looking back at them were transphobic and offensive. When these were pointed out to me I corrected myself those things that I did do were out of ignorance and not malice. Keep up your wonderful and great work, it is going to take people like you to educate old cis people like me. Thank you for what you do.
Your eye shadow is lovely. You're beautiful.
i appreciate your nuanced view. Your script is poetic and lovely.
btw your background - i am jealous of your action figure collection
I really love your level-headed approach to one of many issues that tends to set us off against each other. Gender issues, sexuality, race, class, etc. are issues where we tend to talk past each other and smugly assert that "I AM RIGHT, YOU ARE WRONG!!" rather than try to find some kind of common ground and understanding. I am guilty of this more than I care to admit. Thanks for having this conversation!
I am going to go ahead and agree with Mr Shatner about disliking Cis and Trans. I am tired of being put into a box by other people's expectations. how about just Man, or Woman? or them They? how about human rights? how about a Person's Rights? not Cis Woman or Man, or Trans Woman or Man, but just Woman or man! not white people, or black people, but People! I am really frickin tired of people putting invisible lines between each other. we need to stop separating each other out, and start including each other as our fellow humans. also, if that person is being attacked with the word Cis, even just as a descriptor, then Stop, how about we stop hurting each other even just with words? it stops being a Descriptor when it starts being used to attack someone. Why African american? Why not just American? I know there is a huge list of crimes being committed against those who are darker skin toned, to this day, and that needs to stop immediately, but excluding and separating is not going to help anyone. Men, or Women, or them They, because Maybe I look Cis, but I would identify as something else. So, I can see why he would be tired of it, and I pretty much agree. I am not trying to down play anyone's experience however, and there is still much inequality which needs to be righted in our world. I just want to stop the "Them" and "Us" back and forth. Let's come together, and become WE.
words have meaning, and ignoring that fact for the sake of "not labeling people" solves nothing and deters discourse.
I don't disagree about the need to break down barriers between people. And yes, in many contexts, you CAN and SHOULD just say "people". But, as you note, sometimes we want to get slightly more specific and say "man" or "woman", because the people to whom those labels apply might have somewhat different experiences, needs, etc. or just because you are trying to more clearly indicate which person you are talking about (eg. "the woman standing by the barbecue").
Same thing for labels that indicate other more specific identities. Sometimes you might just need to be able to point out that "Jim" is the Black guy in the group, not the Asian guy, for instance (there can be other ways to do that, it just often isn't as efficient).
More importantly, when some of those identities have been historically oppressed or marginalized, it is hard to talk about how to correct those problems without using those terms. If you are going to talk about specific struggles that trans people face, you might also need a term for those who don't have those experiences that is shorter than "not-trangender person". For instance, when participating in such a conversation I can point out that I'm cis and therefore quickly indicate that I'm speaking from the perspective of wanting to be supportive rather than being trans myself. Not USING the words "transgender"/"cisgender" or "man"/"woman" doesn't by itself fix transphobia or misogyny.
Of course, that is where the problem comes in, leading one to associate more specific labels with negativity. Shatner is usually just called a "man" because usually that's all that's needed. Many trans people also prefer to just be called "man" or "woman" most of the time UNLESS they are actively trying to talk about the trans experience. If they didn't have that term to use, however, it would be difficult to talk about it when it becomes relevant - for example, at the doctor's office.
What would be lovely is to get to the point where, say, "cis" or "trans" is no more offensive to anyone than saying "blonde" or "brunette".
@@PirateQueen1720 right, and I get that but Cis is not a descriptor, it's an Additive, and it clearly bothers him, because he has been attacked with that phrase. Calling him a Man, is a descriptor, but he has asked for people to stop calling him Cis, because he does not wish to be identified that way. I think he has that right same as anyone else. it is also not being used as a descriptor, it's being lobbed at him as an insult. if they were describing him, they could just say man. it's being used to force him into a group diametrically apposed to what the Narrator clearly feels is the only right option to be, which is not Cis. it's another Them against US statement, and I am just tired of it. We can be better than that.
I recall that when I first came across the term Cis, and found it entirely repulsive to me. Turns out it wasn't because I thought it was hate term or anything like that, but because it literally didn't apply to me, as it turns out that I'm demigender (she/they with a preference for they).
I hear you regarding your conclusion, but I'm not sure if I can agree. I mean I agree for myself that's how I would like to also conduct myself, but feels a little tone policing. I feel that as long as the content of the message is there why should how it is said affect it? We as white trans people have a completely different experience than other trans people be that BIPOC or even trans people who can't afford to transition medically if they desire, or any other combination of marginalizations we don't have. I think it's a luxury for someone like William shatner or even JK Rowling to be able to not listen to people just because someone is saying something in an upsetting way. I think it's a luxury also to suggest that, as in your conclusion, as a way of doing things even if you are acknowledging the anger and the hurt. So that is why I disagree with your conclusion even if that is how I am probably going to operate for my personal way of doing things.
Indeed, I don’t think we disagree actually. Like, I do have the privilege to sometimes let thing go because they don’t harm me as much. Even as a trans person, I am far from the most marganlized both as a white person and a person who was born in the upper middle class. So I totally understand that sometimes speaking out, sometimes angrily or violently, is sometimes the only method even more marganilized groups then myself have in order to be heard. Perhaps I should have stated that more clearly, but I kinda tried to put that in the banner of “hold them accountable for their words” section at the end, but that’s way too implied then I intended looking back at it.
If someone is often in a space where their being "cis" is used as a way to dismiss someone as having privileges that they might not understand it, I can see how someone might see it as just an insult or slur. I think that it should take that person to understand that cis is just considered the norm, and what that must be like for those out of that norm.
I can say that I was not too comfortable accepting cis as a label, and that moment was verbalising my own gender. Although, not really putting in a whole lot of effort into appearing non-binary the description of the effort thing mentioned here matches my own insecurities that neither do I call myself cis. Accepting a label that others refer to you as, can be complicated.
When Shatner started yammering about this I immediately thought of you. I noticed that picture of you with him in the background of your videos and I figured it would only be a matter of time until he disappointed you. I'm sorry.
I unfollowed him months ago, frankly the guy is an arrogant jerk on twitter. Surprising I know.
Look, I think you've given him too much credit. I didn't know what CIS was until a couple of months ago either. I assumed it was derogatory. But then hey, I realized that I'm on the internet and I just googled 'CIS' and figured out what it meant. He doesn't need anyone to teach him. He's internet savy. I don't think my mom (who is actually younger than shatner go figure) could figure it out but she doesn't spend all day on twitter snarking on her fans and complaining about her eroding white privilege. She spends her time watching cooking and home improvement shows. Long story short, Shatner has no excuse. Also i think you downplayed just how much he's been tweeting about it and for how long. In short he's being a real richard head.
As a star trek fan all I can say is thank odin for patrick stewart. He's always so lovely. I doubt we have to worry about him letting us down.
This is all just another brick in the wall of the argument of how superior picard is to kirk.
Really great video! You broke down the William Shatner situation very well. Additionally, I've never actually heard the term "gender critical" before, so this video has taught me something i should be on the lookout for. Thank you!
Also your purple star trek poster/artwork is beautiful!
I wish everyone was as thoughtful as you.
I've been feeling a lot of these things recently. I appreciate that you went there so long ago. Peace
"We tend to prefer to create words so as to say something is something, not not something."
_cries in esperanto_
I am so glad The Algorithm showed me one of your videos. Every one I’ve watched has been a joy! You display so much thought, kindness, and understanding. All the things we need more of in this world!
When we divide people into groups, we need terms to describe the majority as well as the minority. Preferably terms that are not derogatory, just descriptive. You gave good examples. In my lifetime a polite term for a minority has shifted, at their communal request, from Negro to Black to African-American and back to Black. All good with me. People I know named Robert like to be called Bob, Rob, Robby, or Robert. My respecting their preferences is the first step of good manners.
Another example is Autism. Those of us not on the Autism spectrum are “neurotypical”. Calling the majority group “normal” is pejorative to the minority.
I loved the She Ra joke
Jesse, I am so impressed with your message of compassion. In today's online reactionary society, the tendency is generally to lash out at people whose ideas and actions go against what we believe (or who sometimes in ignorance blunder into making phobic comments that harm others). But, you are advocating for tolerance and wish to think the best of people, despite their flaws. Bless you! I think part of the challenge of responding intelligently and tolerantly in a social media context is that, unless you are one of the first people to respond to a post or a tweet of a celebrity (or other person with a large SM following), chances are that a tolerant, non-confrontational response will get buried in a sea of other vehemently pro or con responses. And the online conversation, unfortunately, will just polarize further. I don't know if there's a solution to this problem given that social media literally feeds on excitement and controversy. But, here's hoping that enough people have watched this video, take your message to heart, and will subsequently try to inject more tolerance into the online community and change it for the better.
Seeing Jadzia in the background makes me wonder, did Dax consider itself trans?
Or maybe gender fluid.
hmm, I wonder if Dax uses they/them while Jadzia uses she/her. wish I could ask
Either way, _probably_ shouldn't be throwing "it" around like that. Just saying.
Blank Blanckersen It is the best descriptor we have since Dax is, as far as we can tell, a gender-less symbiont. Jadzia Dax was a she, Curzon Dax was a he, but Dax is an it, though I’m guessing that Trill probably has a specific word for them. I don’t know Trill, though.
@@adorabell4253 I love how ST opens up discussions about gender. Is Jadzia trans? "Well, that's complicated, lets sit down and hash that out in a nerdy friendly way."
"Why do we have to call Spock a Vulcan? Why can't we just call him a not-human?" -McCoy at some point, probably
My guess as to why cis men are offended by the term cis is because they hear it as sis, like sissy, like a "sissy boy". I could be way off base, and if that is the reason, it's just another example of toxic masculinity.
I decided to link this video on one of Shatner's tweets about this. Hopefully he'll watch this video! It's a really good one!
If it offends someone to be called a thing, shouldn't we respect that? Isnt that the whole point of respecting pronouns? I read the thread and Shatner consistently said that labels are devisive in his opinion and he doesnt like them. Why should that not be respected? If a trans person said they did not like to ve called trans, I would respect that, not try to shame them unto accepting the label i feel is appropriate.
But according to Mr. Shatner he is Cis gendered. What would he like to be described as? He doesn't seem to say, but I suspect the answer would be "normal", which would make anyone who is not like him what, abnormal?
If you ask me, Cis Gender is a much more benign term because it does not imply denigration of others who are different.
This is the first video I've seen that describes the Cycle so succinctly. It does lead to a feeling of powerlessness because in the end we are all human and we do react to things emotionally, even overpowered celebrities with massive platforms. The internet is a reactive place in the end, and it takes so little to respond to anything in the moment rather than taking the time to reflect.
I dont really have a solution to the problem, I'm but one voice in the echo chamber, but it is nice to have someone explain these issues calmly and eloquently. So thanks for that. I really enjoyed your perspective and am grateful for the effort you put into expressing it.
Personally I don't think it should be the job of the oppressed to coddle people whose opinions are potentially very harmful to us. I think it should be the cis allies who step in and try to educate their fellows about the issues at hand, partly because they won't feel personally upset by their words and will therefore have at least some emotional distance to be able to engage with that level of potential harm.
Then again, a (fellow trans) friend of mine got blocked on Twitter by voice actor Greg Ellis - whom recently came out in support of JKR - merely for suggesting trans people should be allowed to live their lives in peace, so maybe some people REALLY just don't want to listen. -_-
Freedom of speech doesn't free anyone of concequences of their speech.
I'm a Cis Woman, and I have never had a problem with the term..... Love you my sister... You are unique. You are special, and you are Loved.... Hugs ❤
I’ve never been this early to a video before
Any word can be used as an insult, it all depends on the emotion and intent behind the word when used.
The one problem with cis though is the fact that cis people didn’t choose it, and so don’t identify that way. There is some level of double standards when a group (even a marginalised one) who is very interested in choosing their own labels to identify themselves and help them carve out their place in the world then choosing a word to label another group.
I don’t think any group would be happy to have another group choose their label, their identity.
Don’t think that I don’t agree with most of what you said, but this idea just popped into my head.
Amazing channel, will be watching much more, you are great x
I'm trans and I called my sibling cis just casually and they got pissed off and was like "don't label me like that!" And I tried to explain the term to them but they still didn't get it. Jokes on them, they identify as gender fluid now lol
You put so much care and patience into trying to explain this as gently as possible, it's a shame he and many others don't put in the effort to listen.
Love the guy but his tweets will be the death of him.
You are emulating the Shatnerspeech. Very good! German not so much. The German scientist called it Zissexual back then. While I did not found the word Nosomorphic, I found the latin words noso (means sick or suffering) and morphic (means physical form [Gestalt in German]). Zis (latin syllable) means: "On this side".
Was that Picard playing a flute at the end?
I think the (at least part) of issue with the term/prefix "Cis-" sounds and look terrible and can make the easy jump to a rather emasculating/fetishized slur againt someone to the uninformed ear.
@Memelord that's why normally put things to the sense test. If I knew nothing about this word/thing/concept/etc, then what does it look/sound/feel/smell/taste like.
the prefix Cis, to me, fails the look, sound and feel aspects (taste and smell don't apply). So when I apply it to someone like Shatner, whom was born in 1931 (like my biological father) and spent his formative years in the 1940's and ventured into the world in the 1950's, I have to look at the world from that context/understanding to see how they see the word/thing/concept/etc.
People do change, learn grow and come to understand more. But for some, some things/ideas are easy to incorporate or like advanced trigonometry and they'll never bother learning it. Shatner strikes me as someone who, while fairly conservative is open to new ideas if presented to him in a digestible format.
As for JK Rowling, I don't see someone there who is open to new ideas. Her writings on the trans community seems to treat transwomen with the same seething anger and open hostility (wrapped in the thin veneer of culture war politics) that fox news opinion show personalities use. Its like she's turning into female form Bill O'Reilly or Hannity. *Barf*
@Memelord No kidding. Terfs are insidious. The same tactics are/were used by the religious right back in the 80's and 90's and decades before that in the 60's and 70's
But as for Shatner, image the world for 10 year old shatner in 1941. Then compare it to now. How much change he has seen. Digging in and doubling down is him protecting himself.
Terf's exploits that by acting as a friendly ally that says "You're right, it's them not you. We are one in the same as you, here's a pamphlet to the Cult of TERF" and sells a brand of ear poison that fox news peddles in.
If you took chemistry in school it should be obvious what cis means, I don’t really know how one would make it more clear. If you see a word you don’t know and assume it’s bad because you just decided not to look it up even though you could google in in two seconds, idk what to tell you.
@@emmanarotzky6565 I don't think you read what I said. The average person doesn't run their what they hear through chemistry class lessons. They don't walk with dictionaries and whip out their phone and google everything they don't understand. They hear a sound and react to it. Humans are reactionary creatures responding to their world impulsively.
And this impulsiveness and reactionary nature tends to become more dominate as people grow older, their minds need more time to understand the world and the brain skips over stuff to try and stay sharp.
I don't know what you're age is or anything about you or your experiences, but I implore you to take a minute, place yourself in their shoes, their lives and experiences and ask yourself if their reaction is fitting with yours.
Empathy matters.
@3am Eternal I don't think you read what I wrote. please reread when you get a chance instead of reacting from emotion and fury.