I Was Wrong about Warhammer: The Old World? All Your Questions Answered!
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In this video, I discuss all the new releases for Warhammer the Old World, comparing them to my predictions, as well as answering tons of questions and comments from my previous Old World video!
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I too am in with the Old World for that 90's game store nostalgia. I know I'm buying old miniatures. However, i was already buying old miniatures at a much higher markup on eBay.
It's funny, between 2009-2015 I could get great deals on old Bretonnian models. They really started increasing in price only after that until now they are crazy high on the secondary market! Essentially, re-releasing these old models is a way for GW to tap into that secondary market.
Yeah me too.I’ve collected heaps of old hammer off eBay after the end of the old world.
honestly, at this point, im just here for the squarespace ads, the minis stuff is a bonus
I’m here for when the Squaaaaareesppaaaaace intro is so stretched out and long it takes the whole video
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Yes!! RETRO OLD MODELS!!! The look on a table is unbeatable.
I will eat my shoe if the Orcs and Goblins box is more reasonably priced
It's not worth more than £60 ($75). Dodgy models, kinda trash.
Nothing games work shop makes is reasonably priced. This box will be at least 200. They are only doing this because they think they can ship some dirt cheap product at like a 300-400% markup.
@@DKarkarov Before promptly abandoning the game again
@@LordVader1094pretty much, they aren't even making more than a handful of new models so they clearly aren't planning to support it in any meaningful way.
@@scepteredisle disapointed they dont do the starter battalions for around that amount, 100 feels like too much
100% agree. I'm using this release as an excuse to paint and collect the armies i always wanted growing up. and from what im hearing the rules are fun too anyway.
I literaly just came home from mu first game of Old World.
My old wood elves (a mix of 5th edition pewter and some 6th edition plastic).
I faced Tomb Kings.
And I gotta say. These models hold up great. Are the skeletons chunky? Yes.
Do they still look cool when ranked up? Hell yeah.
I got most of my army painted (mostly in 6th ed style) But I actually right now thinking about painting all my models going forward in retro style.
I dont paint as much as I should, but if I ever complete it all I might go back and repaint the more modern look for the older one.
Red bows on the elves and red talons on the monsters? Oh yes. Yes indeed.
Rules-wise, there is Hobgoblin.
Rank and flank wargame intended to evoke the old school vibe.
However, it is also model-agnostic.
Separately from that, there are quite a few model lines (often in metal, so not for me) that are trying to recreate the old Warhammer style. Knightmare Miniatures look quite close - but are extremely expensive.
P.S. As someone who has no nostalgia, GW or otherwise, I am more than happy with Kings of War. As a modeler first, I find their rules very inspiring - all the mutlibasing, and unit types that have no official models.
I'm getting that nostalgia fix for old models by supporting old school sculpts on Kickstarter
Can't wait to see you paint up some Old World Greenskins. Especially the goblins. I think you'll do a super cute job. Excited for those videos.
Those trolls are quite nice.
I always loved brettonia and was gutted when they went away.
I picked up old world, assembled some archers... and im in love.
The models hold up really well for the most part. They're really easy to assemble. Theyre far simpler to paint as theyre not over detailed. Only downside is the mould lines.
And they look damn good when in a massed unit.
Its such a change of pace from the monopose dynamic squad of 5 to have a lump of 24 lads.
Was making lunch and listening then had to do a double take when I heard my name mentioned. I am in the same boat of loving the 90s aesthetic (and especially the old trolls) and spend 99% of my time painting and drooling over stuff vs actually playing games. The good news is Kings of War is miniature agnostic so you could still rock OW models with (a really elegant) KoW ruleset! Most of their unit profiles have an exact match on the Warhammer side (and was intentional for people coming over with GW armies). That said it'll probably become a lot easier to find OW meetups (for the rare actual game) over KoW. Thanks for answering!
It's nice to see some positivity around this game. I'm 100% in the same camp as you and absolutely love the old retro minis.
Hope you keep making Old World videos! And thank you for this one.
Myself I feel so lucky that my favorite Bretonnians got to go to “the front of the line.”
I’ve been planning to strip, repair, and repaint my old models from about 2003-2004… and have been painting some new ones supplement my force.
I agree about old models. You explained it perfectly, and all the while these other RUclipsrs just keep saying that it's so expensive for old models... But why is the age of the model even relevant? It's like an aesthetic style that we like and that brings us joy! Thanks for posting.
You are NOT talking about aesthetics. You are talking about very old models that are primitive by todays standards sold at premium prices GW have successfully reproduced the aesthetics of these classic Fantasy models and slapped an “Age of Sigmar” label onto them - but they are vastly better models whilst looking basically the same in terms of the look.
Even if you think the new cities of sigmar have too much detail which is probably true, the tech and design is way better than the Bret men at arms. The new Cities of Sigmar, for example, are designed so that any impossible-to-avoid mould lines on cloth etc can be removed with your fingernail: the mould lines are SO FINE that they can now be removed without tools. Not even the new 40K Levithan models have that level of design. The 2002/3 Brets are covered in mould lines.
@@scepteredisle I get what you're saying, the difference between models designed recently is quite noticeable, and it even makes your life easier! Why wouldn't everyone agree? I would challenge you on the idea that the differences are objectively 'better'. In truth, it's not objective, it's subjective, that is, it's just how you feel about it. I get it, you have reasons to feel that way, and you have preferences for your miniatures. Not everyone has the same preferences. I personally don't like the new designs, to me they look like they were made in a computer and they have unnecessary amounts of detail. We don't have to agree, we can both enjoy our hobby, and we can also be friends still, after all we have a lot in common!
I will agree with you that model prices are unnecessarily high though. I personally feel that all of the prices are too high though, not just the charming Old World models :)
@@scepteredislethe metal slayers > every new aos/ most 40k plastics
I have actually been enjoy assembling my Bretonnia minis. They have that Legoman appeal that I don't need to follow a schematic and I can just easily mix and match what looks good without considering how they need to be assembled. They also doesn't take as much time to assemble, which I prefer. With the more recent Warhammer kits I kinda dread gluing them together.
I'm also very nostalgic and attracted to the bright colors and general aesthetic of 90's GW. So far I have had fun playing ToW using my old Chaos Dwarfs. Another game that has intrigued me lately is Argatoria by Spellcrow. The aesthetic reminds me a lot of old GW stuff and I'm looking forward to painting and playing it eventually.
I still have the grots from The Battle of Skull Pass my buddy gave me when released back in 2006. Can't wait to get them out again!
Still have the box set. Only ever painted one group of goblins.
I'm 100% locked into the Old World because I couldn't afford most of it when I started playing in the 90's. Those troll models are very cool but I am looking forward to the release of the Marauder Giant as it stands out in my mind from way back when.
I’m so glad they brought back those hideous goblins, Greenskins really are one of those iconic faces of Oldhammer.
Thanks so much for this video. I'm so glad to see the Old World is coming back and GW are bringing back all the great old minis. I'm really excited to get back into the hobby. Thank you for this informative video. Great job!
i might have tried kings of war but now old worlds back i would never think of going over there, i love the lore of warhammer and the minis, the races etc
Well, there are a lot of very great rank and file games out there these days, that are miniature agnostic and fully compatible with the old Warhammer Fantasy armies. They are also way cheaper regarding rules and supplements than the Old World from GW. Some are even free. A lot of people are playing Kings of War with their old Warhammer Fantasy armies, because the game was designed to bring your old armies over. You could even pretend that you still played in the Old World with these other rules, just for the lore and fluff. Other exciting games that are fully compatible with the old Warhammer Fantasy armies are The Ninth Age: Fantasy Battles and One page rules: Age of Fantasy Regiments. The Ninth Age is even a totally free and community driven sequel to Warhammer Fantasy Battles.
Just remember these great options, if "The Old World" turns out to be a bad game for you.
@@AndreasRugtvedNeumann thanks for all that info wow, ill definitely check out the mini range for the other games as GW prices are kinda insane
Love that I found your channel!
Love your content, please keep it up.
Thanks for this followup! Re: the nostalgia and the fantasy of old-style, handsculpted miniatures with bright colours -- I highly suggest taking a quick peek at Argatoria, a smaller-scale wargame by Spellcrow. The models are tiny, handsculpted, and invariably painted with bright colours and presented on grassy fields. It very much scratches the same itch. The only catch is that the models are less than half the size of Warhammer models and focuses more on a Conan the Barbarian-esque fantasy world where armour is basically nonexistent, so you get a lot of lizards and loincloths.
do you have plans to eventually do a whole retro set up and game? Keen to see you make the table and units. I feel the vibrance would suit your style so so well.
I loved the video , but just so you know the goblins (night goblins and normal goblins) were confirmed in the orcs and gobs article to be released at a later point and for the start of the release there focusing on the orc plastics aswell that the list of metal kit aren’t made to order they are permanent and start of release
I disagree with doubling back on the price haha. I don't think we should be paying a premium here, and I hope the upcoming boxes are priced reasonably and not gouging people banking on nostalgia.
Great video Dana. GW insane pricing or lack of availability has caused me to proxy some models from WGA, Reaper, or FireForge. The prices for Ushabti are insane.
I neeeeeeed those trolls and snotlings! They're such cool little minis!
Very interesting thoughts. Thank you for sharing.
I'm pretty happy with the release for the most part, although some more Tomb Guard boxes would be super nice for the Khemri enjoyers out there. Orcs and Gobbos are a weird release to hype up since they didn't really need many new kits in plastic. Some other armies have some massive room for upgrades, like Dwarf Slayers and Empire Knights. If they don't update the Empire Knights I might finally break down and buy some STLs for a friend to print me some cav. They're the only kit in that stands out as being significantly below the standard of the rest. Anyway, fingers crossed for the next batch of releases and maybe even some regular restocks until then (if we're lucky)!
As one of my retailers informs me, the planned restock of the two initial boxes (bretonia and khemri) is roughly middle of march for europe
Oh my oh my ... Skull Pass!!!
Yes please!!
I think the biggest thing I noticed about Old World is a lot of the younger players who are most active on social media spoke mostly about them being mostly old models.
The actual target audience for the range doesn't seem to care and thus Old World has sold extremely well so far.
They don't miss the old models, they miss the old artistic aesthetics. Big difference.
No evidence Old World has sold well given they produced so little / refused to allow third party stores to get that many boxes.
@@scepteredisle I didn't say they do miss the models. I said the actual target audience doesnt care that they are old models. Besides that the old models are literally made of that old artistic aesthetic you mentioned so I don't see your point.
I'm in a fair few 40k communities and Old World has deffo sold really well. GW simply wouldn't have started to produce it again if it wasn't going to.
I totally have the Goblins from skull pass that i got from an ebay rescue greenskin horde, and would absolutely buy a reissue of the same box. Its the only GW box i ever bought where i wanted both armies.
Looking forward to seeing your colour choices for your Bretonnians.
Those old trolls are a Michael Perry sculpt. The heads were interchangeable between bodies.
Nod to the sorcery contested realm comment, such a great game.
I played warhammer fantasy back in the early 2000s and have had fun watching a bunch of old world content so far. Tho I have yet to put any money into new items I’ve still got my old models in the attic and look forward to the day my son is old enough to try a game with his old man.
Night Goblins not featuring is because those models are AoS now. Same with Savage Orcs.
All armies get lovely photos in the rulebook apart from Beastmen, because those models are AoS.
Savage Orcs are in the game via upgrades. Bonesplitterz is probably going to Legends in AoS.
@@mogwaiman6048 I meant the models - yes I've read the upgrades for Frenzy and Warpaint - it kind of makes sense with the universal and specific special rules being so well organised - just have them as an option to normal orks.
For the model range, they won't be releasing any current AoS stuff for The Old World.
@@adampriestley7732 I think Bonesplitterz are going to TOW. It's no different than what happened to Wanderers which are wood elf miniatures.
I love AoS and the new sculpts, but I also love the retro look and feel of the old models. They just occupy different spaces. Think 40k and Horus Heresy. They can coexist.
i have no experience playing WFB but i played my first Old World games this week and they were a lot of fun! it kind of feels like "street level" stakes compared to the "galactic level" stakes of AoS and 40k
I’m interested to see exactly which models they bring back for the dwarfs. First gen monopose plastics (crossbows on the shoulder quarreler/warrior box) or second generation, less monopose plastics (quarreler/thunderer and warrior/longbeard boxes) .
Even as a collector/painter of 'new' stuff I understand exactly what you are saying about other systems. GW games can be overly complex, much as there models can be overly fussy, but I still buy the latest Necromunda books (at least for the factions I collect) and am working through the Forge World resin. I have never played a game of Necromunda yet despite having 2 starter sets, 3 copies of the rules and half a dozen or so faction/expansion books and you could argue that I could just get the OPR skirmish and gang rules, but it's not the same. I love the retro/modern style and sculpt of the Escher. I was born in 67 so I lived through the start of Punk, New Romantics and Goth and these models have that feel (I think I may have dated a few of the Escher), I read the Frank Herbert Dune books and the short stories of Lovecraft and watched The Warriors and Streets of Fire repeatedly on VHS. This is where Necromunda comes from so no other game system will ever encapsulate all this, at least for me.
And one day I may play the game.
Always great videos but I'm still waiting for the day you put out a 20 min video where you just say Squarespace!
They should have seriously rereleased those old army boxes like you have pictured in the video, just for the sheer Pavlovian response. That upcoming Orc & Goblin box is the work of a C student. I remember walking into a GW store around 2015, and there was just one staff person there, a woman in her late 60s. She asked me what I was looking for, and I told her I was just browsing around thinking about getting back into Warhammer. And I went on to explain about a month prior I had seen the Island of Blood starter set and bought, which confused her. She said, "I thought you said you were just thinking about getting back into Warhammer," which made me chuckle a little because this is something you'd understand intuitively if you actually Warhammered. I bought the 7th edition starter set in 2010 from a modeling shop, didn't even put the minis together, I just had the good sense to buy it and stick it on a shelf. I wasn't passing up value like that, even if I never played the game again, it's Warhammer. They got a lot of MBAs and professional sales people at GW, and they think they know something, but at the end of the day, not many of them Warhammer. The product sells itself so well a Medellín cartel could be running things there in Nottingham and be doing just fine, but they miss so much potential because they don't Warhammer.
I think one of the nicest things about the OW re-releases for me personally, would be the opportunity to get the models in new packaging and untouched by others. Especially plastic models, with all the pieces still on the sprues.
I'm so kicking myself in the head for giving away most of my old fantasy models!
A rerelease of Skull Pass would be awesome. Im waiting on dwarfs. Slayers, Warriors, and Miners coming back will be big.
Im glad that the modeling and painting aspect is bringing your around.
I dont think the knock on prices is misplaced. These molds are old and paid for, storage aside, theres only so much cost associated with modern production and the cost of plastic. You get a lot in the box but they do feel a little over priced.
Power to everyone that want to buy and play The Old World, but at least in my country (Spain) those orc models were everywere to buy for scrap second hand because nobody wanted them. And same with the dwarfs vs black goblin box. Loads of thems.
The thing I dislike the most is GW selling at 2024 prices those army boxes. I surely don't have the nostalgia for them, but seems odd to me everyone just been so hyped.
Nevertheless, if they make people happy, that is what it matters more.
There are a lot of other miniature companies besides GW that makes orc and goblin models that are really awesome!
Ooohh!!! Empire is in Winter because it's going to be SNOW JACKETS AND BEARS!!!
The big issue with GW telling their customers that several armies are "legacy" and won't be updated is that many of those interested in them will just check out and not care about the Old World. So even if they decide to update them way later, they might not care anymore.
I have a suspicion Dark Elves at least are being held back, because GW intend to do something with them as a reimagined Age of Sigmar army. An army that follows -Malekith- Malarion, and probably really changes up the art style. GW don't want to prep the old Dark Elf moulds - or spend the money tooling them again - if they've already got a Dark Elf revamp in the works. (Not unless The Old World sells well enough to justify it, anyway. More of GW hedging their bets on a niche project.)
I started playing Warhammer fantasy 24 years ago, and when they killed Fantasy, I was devastated. I played my first game of Old World last night… it was a joy. I was slightly disappointed for maybe 5 minutes because I was still set in the past. The Old World is a joy. We can always still play 8th, but if you are an ex-Fantasy player, please, give Old World a shot, you’ll love it like I do
In fairness, regarding that 90s nostalgia, I feel like Oathmark hits that vibe really well. And you get to make your own lil duchy :D
I want my own DUTCHYYYY!!!
also I very nearly put a bit in the video where I said "but now that I actually look at it Oathmark is tempting me..." but I cut it for brevity, so yes! I totally agree! I think the current hype cycle of the old world just makes it fun to participate in right now, but Oathmark is on my "to do" list of the future!!! thanks for the comment ;D
I am absolutely 3d printing my Old World armies and since Ive been playing Oldhammer anyway and have been playing WFB since 3rd edition I am not feeling nostalgic considering 3d prints are cheaper and look way better at this point.. Just started Chaos dwarves.. more evil looking and none of the goofiness you probably think is cute 😂
Hey Dana, I really liked that you did a retrospective of your last video, but damn people stick on things that are assumptions and opinion-based even when you clearly state that it is XD. I personally appreciate when people try to analyze a subject, and you did it with great insight if you ask me!
One point that made me react in your previous video however, to which you admit in the current video, is the price of the boxes. I worked in a gaming store when WFB was an active game and the army boxes, with a comparable amount of miniatures (often even lower count), sold around 300$ at that time as well. So for me, seeing around 300$ boxes 15-20 years later made me react the opposite of how you did. A full army rarely was under 1000$ even back in the day (when buying everything new, from the shelves), and when calculating the Bretonnian Box, without optimizing points in upgrades and such, I was astonished to find out the box contained around 1200-1300 pts. Adding one or two enchantress(es) and one unit of Questing or Grail Knights, you reach the 2000 pts bar, and that's for around 500$, which is also around half the price for a full 40k army as well if you compare with other GW products.
So in short, I was amazed to see how accessible GW actually made this game via those army boxes :O
Also looking forward for more videos about Warhammer: The Old World from you Dana
The goblins are 100% missing from the Old World because they are active models in AoS. Internally at GW these are different cost centers, and they will not allow cross-sales. This is why Skaven are not "official" in this edition of Old World, since all of their classic minis are currently listed under AoS. Over the years, as AoS units get refreshed, those old sculpts will become "official" Old World releases.
Weirdly, they're not really missing in the actual game though. Not only is the full traditional goblin range present in the Ravening Hordes book, it actually even gives rules for Mangler Squigs, a unit that was *only* introduced in AoS and has no oldschool fantasy equivalent.
@DiamondsDroog Mangler Squigs were in 8th edition fantasy orcs&goblins I believe.
@@brett3366 Huh, I looked it up and you're completely right! I must have blocked that kind of terrible old model out of my memory entirely. Weird!
You've nailed why we can't leave Old World. Also maybe why they seem to have a harder time keeping any of this stuff on the shelf.. I''m also a 90's nostalgia/Lore nut 1st, collector/painter 2nd, gamer 3rd kinda guy. Franky this suits Old World more than most titles as we know what goes into producing this spectacle. Not that I don't want to see new and shiny stuff for Old World too, but who doesn't want those trolls or a (cheap) updated copy of Skull Pass? Hopefully they have a sufficient batch on the way so everyone can at least get their books and journals and a few models already.
Hold up…do they have retro squigs…
I started a Retro Warriors of chaos army. I have a few AoS armies so the retro vice is a fun change of pace
That Smash Bros bit did a better job of getting me interested in ToW than all of GW's marketing up to now :P
With regard to price and "value": It's really hard to adjudicate because so much of the costs involved are opaque to consumers. We are commonly told that the plastic itself is dirt cheap, it's the development costs that are expensive. Through that lens, I think it's totally fair to wonder why something like the old world commands the same price. I don't think the comparison to rereleases of old toys is necessarily fair, at least the mcdonalds example, since those are reworked. These by all accounts seem to not be reworks and appear to be very minimal development work on GWs part.
Where is coolest unit? "Goblin wolf riders" ? =) I remember when bought my first Night goblins winter 1992 =)
Oathmark is that retro rank-and-flank game, isn't it? Anyone else play Oatmark? The plastics are so old school awesome!
I was very close to putting a line in the script saying "Oathmark is the one that comes closest and I might check it out" but it was cut for brevity, so yes basically I agree!
@@DanaHowl Haha, awesome, thanks!
I estimate 6 months until Dana does a video just of her doing a long, drawn out Squaaaaarespaaaaace for 15 minutes.
I'd still watch it.
Hey old fantasy player , (like 25 years ) I do disagree with some stuff. It's 2024 they absolutely could of made new models across the board. I feel like they are half ass-ing this. Rules look good(some stuff is take from some other games systems to make it better (my opinion). I feel like they opened a shipping container in the backyard and was like wow we got all this fantasy stuff we got to ditch it.
They could of just made AGS movement trays for rank and file and did it that way . With armies who didn't make it reborn.
That is a cool take on the pricing, I think you have a point I still think that they could have used the opportunity for a value product that got more sales and therefore more people into the hobby. Overall I am also enjoying the nostalgia, I doubt I will ever play a game of TOW but if I keep going at this rate I will have fully painted all my old Beastmen in the next couple of months.
It is nice the have someone positive on TOW though and I appreciate your channel. I have had to unsub a couple of creators lately as it felt like they were playing the TOW hate algorithm and honestly I come to you guys for inspiration not multi-part videos on why GW's pricing sucks.
squaaaaaarre spaaaaace I love it - big big fan/fun
Or ...... Today you were absolutely right. Just with a little delay
Cool
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good video
Based on that previous video, I would say your predictions are in the 80-90% range of accuracy. Which let's face it, that is pretty dang high. Anyone who could achieve a 60% accuracy rate would be doing well. As to pricing however, I actually expect pricing to be slightly higher then what you predicted.
It's good to see that you have warmed up to old world. I've managed to get a few games in since release, and it is a lot better balanced that WFB 8E. I look forward to seeing how many different personal colors you put on each of your Knights. And hopefully when you feel ready to try a game you enjoy it. I played against Brettonians earlier this week and they are quite the threat.
If you want an actually good game, check out the OPR version:
One Page Rules; Age of Fantasy Regiments.
But when you decide to play the Old world at some point, and it doesn't feel fun, you can always try some of the other games. I do not think that people necessary meant that you needed to buy Mantic figures when they recommended Kings of War. A lot of people are playing Kings of War with their old Warhammer Fantasy armies. The game was designed to bring your old armies over. Other exciting games that are miniature agnostic and fully compatible with the old Warhammer Fantasy armies are The Ninth Age: Fantasy Battles and One page rules: Age of Fantasy Regiments. All of these are great games, and could be a better fit for you than Old World. These game rules are also way cheaper. The Ninth Age is even a totally free and community driven sequel to Warhammer Fantasy.
*Shows double copies of Pikmin and Windwaker*
Top tier taste as per usual.
Night goblin double BSB in resin? Snap-city 2024. Would have been much better in metal imo.
What means FoMo Marketing?
I have decided that I am gonna just take the gaming "W" and be excited to buy both new and old stuff, we don't get wins for the hobby like this as much these days
My wallet will cry if both OnG and Dwarfs mto drop at same time.
I predicted the price to the penny..I said it's games workshop..so expensive
The game is fun. Very fun. That’s what counts.
The first 6 months will be busy, after that it's drip feed releases like all the other specialist studio games.
I prefer 9th age and buy whatever models I think are good for each unit.
Orcs are back 👍🏼❤️❤️❤️
I have always wondered why GW as a company has never set up another production line in North America.
You avoid the import taxes and shipping from UK to North America to the point that leased warehouse space and even leased plastic injections machines (if you did not want to purchase those machines) would be less expensive even including the overhead of personal cost.
BTW personal cost can be contracted out either directly or use an partnership program within North America to produce these models.
Actual personal is 1 person per every 3-4 plastic injection machine.
Plastic pellets used in the production is also manufactured and produced in North America cutting out one more expense that GW has vs having to import most of their plastic pellets into the UK.
Considering GW does have the numbers on how many box sets are sold in North America (Mexico, Canada and US) they could scale down or scale up production in North America based on expected sales and previous sale volumes.
You also could sale to certain South American countries from North America without the added expense of shipping from the UK. (Unfortunately some South American countries have such restrictive and/or complicated import laws, it makes it a royal pain in the butt to get anything into that country).
See, that would imply GW does any kind of comparative market research. From what I’ve gleaned it’s basically all internally compared so basically this just means they huff their own farts and make business decisions accordingly.
Needs some trolls for ... reasonses ... oh, and Square Base >-> Square Space= ❤❤
I find it honestly so hilarious when people moan about the prices. These are comments typically from people who never played fantasy. The bretonnian box is mega value when you consider the contents of the battleforce boxes and the price even back then.
As someone who owns 2 conquest armies and tried and got rid of KoW, the player community is always the issue. I live in a very heavily populated ttg scene in my city and maybe can get in 1 game of Conquest a month if Im not playing any of GW's games. Ive only played 2 games of KoW ever before I ditched it due to lack of interest in the community. Spending money on another IP when most are already heavily invested in GW doesnt appeal to many. I honestly dont see either game being around by 2030. The advantage of the Old World will simply be the LONG time fan base of players who have kept their armies from WHFB. Not to mention the armies in AoS that can still be used and proxied to now play The Old World will garner new interest in those who came after WHFB. I think poeple really underestimate the hype for the game from decades long WH fans. I just wonder how much that will effect AoS in the future. The Old World will have a larger player base by the end of the year compared to these two games and will probably be the dagger in the back that ultimately kills interest in those games due to how worldwide GW is and the continual popularity it will achieve from the current exposure it is continuing to stack up.
Ok, but there is still and always will be Ninth Age.
I too viewed more than one GW catalog back in the 90's. My only recollection is that of holding back my lunch because of the terrible art quality and worn-out poker table felt.
The comedy comes when the Warhammer fantasy mourners start using AoS model ranges as proxies for their Old World armies.
Well to be fair a decent chunk of AOS still uses old fantasy minis to in effect proxy for their game and some of them have only just been replaced with new ones to coincide with Old World such as Cities of Sigmar to avoid cross sales. When fantasy was destroyed the first “AOS” minis were all ex fantasy and it has taken years for that to change.
Personally I wish the success of both games even if I never really got into AOS as its own game…I just still bought the ex fantasy minis that AOS kept using. Some of the AOS lore looks decent like the flesh eater courts, very interesting concept. A bit similar to the Malkavian vampires from Vampire Masquerade in a way as they all suffer from madness and yet don’t generally know they are mad
Dana, you aren’t wrong. It is everyone else
Dragon Rampant from Osprey is fantastic and, best of all, it's miniature range agnostic.
She literally said she doesn't care about rank and flank ripoffs
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I was so looking forward to The Old World but was so disappointed with GW and how they chose to roll out this line.
Me; 'maaaaaan screw GW, they dick over their customers every chance they get, who needs 'em'
GW; We got orks riding dragons
Me;👀
Pretty sure it just leaked that it’s cancelled.