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How To Find The Property Lines Of Any Home (Version 2)
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- Опубликовано: 3 авг 2022
- Disclaimer: If you are buying/selling land/property ALWAYS hire and pay a land surveyor to get them exact. This video is meant to aid neighbors with minor disputes, who don't want to spend much money to solve. Smiles from here.😊
Update to my original property lines video: • How To Find The Proper...
In this video, I use an App called "LandGlide" and a cheap Metal Detector to locate the exact property lines of the property and dig them up as proof. I used the LandGlide app to get close to the property stakes, once I know I'm close, I use a metal detector to locate them exactly, then dig them up to make sure I'm in the right spot.
What I used to locate the exact property lines of this home:
1. LandGlide App: landglide.com/
2. Metal Detector: www.amazon.com...
I am a surveyor with 30 years experience. Land glide is a overlay and is out of place a lot of times but can get you close sometimes. If you are planning on building something call a surveyor, it's better to spend a few hundred dollars before you build something in the wrong place and piss away several thousand. Sometimes the pins get moved from the original position by original or adjoining land owners.
Thank you Scrimpygold. Yes, make sense. Good input.
I live in Oregon where a survey costs $2,000 ! ! !
He meant to say a few thousand dollars
I live in Oregon and got a quote to locate the previous surveys done for almost $5k…to find the other two corners additional 5-7k I used my county overlay on their website and found the stakes marked and painted from previous and it was 100% accurate for the gps tracking for the corners. I can confidently locate the other spots by using it.
I live in a fairly new development. All my neighbors kept telling me our back property lines were 4 feet back into a wooded area. This was based on an old fence line. I didn’t believe they were right. I called the original surveyor and made a deal to have him survey my property when he was in the area. This a Saved me hundreds of dollars. They found the original stakes had been moved and destroyed by the people that did the final grading. NO, we don’t own any of the wooded area. And we found my Assumed East property line was 2 feet west of where everyone thought it was. I had him install correctly located stakes WITH the yellow survey marker caps. Now we know the truth, not what we think. And the original markings cut into the curbs do line up with the stakes. A survey is money well spent.
Hiring a PLS to verify that your "found" corners are where they are supposed to be according to legal land plats is totally worth the money spent. A survey and legal description of your property will settle any disputes down the road. Never just assume that corners are in the correct spot. Never build anything without verifying with a survey first. It can affct everything from setback codes, encroachment, and having to spend thousands on legal bills and moving of built fences or structures. My father was a surveyor. He saw it all.
Thank you JW for the comment.
As a retired professional surveyor I could write a book's worth of comments about this video. But I'll only make one: Please don't hammer your marking stake right next to survey marker. In soft ground you can move the survey marker. They move enough on their own with freezing, thawing, swollen ground due to rain and shrunken ground in dry periods. Keep your marker 4-6 inches away from the survey marker.
Thank you Jeff for not writing a book. I have received numerous threats so I do appreciate that. Post video I hired a professional Surveying team to come out, and that Survey showed the stakes I found were indeed the lot corners and they did not need to reset them.
If you live in an older neighborhood and go off of the gis map from the county, your property could be off by feet since some of these old subdivisions got digitized automatically. I know, I work in gis and am updating subdivisions orginally plotted 100 yrs ago manually. Improving the quality from ft to inches.
Great points Mike. Well received.
As a surveyor, never, ever trust an app to locate your property corners! And, even if you find a "corner" with a metal detector, you have absolutely no idea if that is the correct corner, or if the corner is in the right place! Many, many land owners "move" corners! I see this all the time! NEVER use an "App" to determine your property lines! They are all based upon GIS data, which is close, not accurate! There is SO much more to this than what you you telling people! It is a good way to get someone sued! I do thank you for the end of video statement of how to properly find lines! Apps are fun, and that is about all...thanks!
Thank you Eric for participating.
In the elementary example given, he's pretty safe. It's a pretty new development. It's a bit unusual that there are no fences of the same vintage as the houses built on top of the property lines. The owners of the houses probably were barely aware or completely unaware of the existence of those original property corners with the Surveyor's license cap, so the likelihood of shenanigans is pretty low. The only thing left to do is to ask the standard engineering question: What's wrong with this picture? That is, take the tape and pull the distance between the two corners, and more importantly the distance from each of the corners to the edge of the sidewalk in front, which is almost certainly the front property line. Do all this with a copy of the plat in hand. I say good enough for planting and mowing. If I wanted to build a fence or anything else subject to zoning, setbacks property lines etc, I would definitely have a surveyor verify both corners and mark the property lines, which would not be prohibitively expensive in a modern development like this one. In my short (five years) in the field in the dark ages before GPS and total station instruments in every crew truck, I saw few if any real attempts at fraud, but tons and tons of complete incompetence and stubbornness on the part of land owners, public employees and even licensed surveyors and engineers.
@@blindleader42 Hello Blindleader. I had a post video Survey done and the 4 corners were EXACTLY accurate. And Landglide was within 3' of all 4 property corners. Consumers and I have had a rough year with multiple situations where the Surveyors were late, wrong, expensive, ruined closings, and would not return phone calls. And I get it, everyone seems short staffed including the Title Company's who provide much of the raw data and easements.
@@MarkTheRealtor I don't know why you're directing your reply to me. I'm not the one telling you you're full of it...
One picky little thing, though: There 's no such thing as _exact.😁_
@@blindleader42 Hi Blindleader. You commented "What's wrong with this picture"? I repeat, the post video survey confirmed that the stakes Landglide helped to locate were EXACTLY correct. Not 6" off, not 12" off. Exactly correct. Including the location of the front pins near the sidewalk out front.
Amazing how so many people were quick to criticize your video when you plainly stated that a formal land survey is needed for exact dimensions. I am a retired real estate attorney and we also have problems with people only hearing or reading what they want to and ignoring plain facts clearly stated several times verbally and in writing. Those people caused a lot of the problems which kept me in business. I think this video performed a valuable public service for people who need a quick idea of the location of their property lines without paying a small fortune. This method will also give you an idea as to whether a formal survey will be cost effective. The number of views is testament to the value of your message,
Hello Stan. Out of 100's of comments, this one is the most congruent with what my message was intended to be. Thank you. #6 Forever.
You have to be careful not to jump to conclusions when you locate a property pin. Sometimes they have different color caps on them. Most of the time they do mark the actual corner - however, the cap color may indicate an off-set and the pin is not the actual corner. This can happen when there are obstructions in the way of the actual corner, like a manhole cover or buried utilities. Sometimes the off-set pin was placed because at the time the pin was placed something was in the way of the actual corner, so an off-set pin was placed.
Thank you Qapla. Good points.
I think something that you may have overlooked happened to us. A street abutting our property had been vacated, meaning that we own 1/2 of said street, in our state. You can't always just look for a stake or online to find out things like this. Online had it wrong. Our municipality insisted the paperwork was missing so it wasn't vacated. It took a lot of research for us to find it and we had to have said 'missing' paperwork that we found to the surveyor for the survey. One of our clues was a property description for an abutting property that mentioned a portion of the vacated street in it's property description. This was a property that was originally part of ours. We spent hours at the county offices and did find the 'missing' document that three title companies could not find. History is often a big part of finding the right property lines.
Good points Karen. Thank you for the comment.
In Missouri you need a ‘Platted Survey’ to be acceptable in court. You will need a professional ‘Land Surveyor’ for that.
"A platted Survey"? You mean a survey established off of the Legal Description and easements recorded on Title?
You can use that app all you want, but it will get people in trouble. So often survey pins are distributed by excavation, utility and fence companies, ground movement, as well as by trees. There is no safer way of establishing your property corners other than with a reputable land survey company who can make sure your property corners are correct, and that will give you a "Plat of Survey", which will be the proof of what was found and/or set. DO NOT trust some app, an experienced Land Survey is always the proper way to establish boundary lines and encroachments, if there is a dispute.
With a $40. metal detector from Harbor Freight bought 6 years ago, I found the 4 corner rods for my new lot that we now have our home on. 🥳
Good work OJB.
I had noticed a large discrepancy between my plot map and actual yard....After owning it for 15yrs, my neighbor behind me went into foreclosure, I paid for a survey and gained 35' x 75' of back yard that had been encroached on since the 60's when the area was developed. $750 bucks..... well worth it.
I like it Joel. That is a great outcome. Good work.
Only $750? What state of you live?
@@adriennef1770 Hi Adriennef. Not sure where Joel lives. We have seen Survey prices go up, but I have seen the professionals and they work so hard outside in the weather. AND, the prices of pretty much everything has gone up too.
@@MarkTheRealtor I am one of those trying to figure out prop lines. The recorded parcel map (created in 1952) containing my house and my neighbors' houses to the left and right of me, was stamped INCORRECT subsequent to the original recording. No property stakes, or plaques can be found any where. Suggestions? TY
@@adriennef1770 Missouri.... That was 4 yrs ago price.
It isn't just a matter of finding the original survey bars (most people don't even know what they look like). It's a matter of confirming the bars haven't been disturbed/moved from their original location. That's why if you really need to know where your boundaries are, hire a surveyor.
Says a Surveyor. Too fukkin funny.
Hello Garfield. What would you recommend when consumers see a house and have 30-mins to make a decision on wether or not to buy the house? Apparently the surveyors on this thread think that all Realtors should say, "I have no idea where the property lines are, lets hire a survey and 25-days later we will have that answer for you". Sorry, NO.
@@MarkTheRealtor The first thing one should do if given thirty minutes to okay the purchase of a house is to quickly walk away, as they are probably being scammed. One should never buy a property before going through an escrow with a title search by a competent title company. The buyer should have the right to cancel the escrow without penalty, except for some very minor costs, after getting the preliminary title report. Surveys if needed can easily to undertaken while this transpires. There might be liens outstanding on the property that are more than the property is worth, phony owners and a myriad of other situations to take the buyer's money. There can be lawsuits going on as to land boundary locations. There can be ongoing lawsuits where the realtor misrepresented the property to a former purchaser. In such cases it usually takes years before the new purchaser can use their purchase. If the property uses septic systems, it is imperative to get perk tests ran and approvals from public agencies. Quick sell scammers in the real estate market take hundreds of billions of dollars a year of unsuspecting purchasers money.
Ali: most of what you just typed is BS. You don't know our market. Most homes are selling with over 10 contracts on the first day. And contingencies of any type of future risk gets removed. So asking consumers to "walk away" will assure them they won't have a house in which to live. To this moment I have not made 1 penny on this video, so your "quick sell scammers" comment is not only wrong but feels like you are just trolling, looking for attention. Reply one more time, I will honor you by reading it, and then this all goes away.
@@MarkTheRealtor Around here, years ago closing a real estate deal was conditional on financing, a survey and a title opinion from a lawyer. If the buyer didn't like what they saw, they would walk from the deal. These days title insurance has been replaced the survey+title opinion because it's cheaper -- nobody's willing to pay 1% of the price of the home to know exactly what they've purchased. Not surprisingly, the vast majority of home owners these days don't know where their boundaries are or who owns the fences. Fact. I certainly hope they've read the title insurance fine print because they are full of exclusions and generally don't cover key items like loss of enjoyment. Also fact. There's no law requiring property owners get a survey so it just becomes a risk management decision. One of the benefits about getting a survey when you buy a property is you aren't beholden to your neighbours because you can negotiate based on facts.
This was so well put !
Your explanation makes it sound so easy . I am having issues with boundaries by several feet ! This Is a wholesome way to give an explanation, without a quarrel .
Everybody is happy 🏡🗝️. Welcome home ,❗ Thank You.
Sure, hello Phyllis. So the magic happens, or not, on if the mapping plat is synched up with the Aerial view. It's supposed to create this accurate sandwich. But some County's, especially hilly ones, have accuracy issues. Sorry about the challenges there.
In our neighborhood (suburbs) done in the late 1970's, they laid out the side walk sections so they always ended on the property lines. It is very helpful in assuring no disputes occur due to lawn maintenance.
That is helpful Monkey. Want to read something crazy? In our market we not only have Street Creep, we have sidewalk creep. Especially when the street grade exceeds 4% and with thermal expansion, our streets and sidewalks will creep downhill. Wether it's 1" or 4" they move around. So sometimes markers not in the ground can move around. Which is crazy.
@@MarkTheRealtor Indeed - that's pretty crazy!
@@MarkTheRealtor I built a house on a block where the plat had bad arithmetic when it was laid out. Someone took the block length and divided it by 20, but in reality, they created 21 parcels. Everyone lost about a foot, but so few people actually had land surveys that most were unaware.
I attached a mailbox to an existing fence and the neighbor came out threatening me and asked what I was doing to HIS fence. I stood up and showed him the fresh survey marker. I asked him why he built a fence on MY property.
Saw some guy outside with some "measures" between the neighbor's home and ours. My parents had planted Oleanders between us and the neighbors, that had grown quite nice. The neighbor built a fence. The NEW neighbors surveyed for their property line. Later in the day I was outside, the neighbor said to me (I was a kid), your fence is on our property. "That's your fence, Einstein."
Property disputes are quickly becoming the #1 reason why people change houses. Every year neighbor wars start over this sensitive topic. The fix is for a Licensed Surveyor to go fix the problem. But, people are so thrifty neither neighbor will hire a survey. And the war continues.
30 years ago, I set a coffee can over my stakes, went down a few inches, then poured concrete around the stakes. Easier to find the them later on. Then a new neighbor moved in. He saw that 'wierd thing in the ground' and yanked it out and filled/graded over the spot. Grrr. Fortunately, there was a 2nd stake there from some other survey so the location was not lost.
Thanks SSJ. Glad it worked out.
I am a RPLS (registered professional land surveyor) in Texas since 1986. I watched 1 minute of this video and then read many of the comments. Take the advice of all who say to get a land surveyor to mark your property corners and property lines. You also need to understand how to treat easements on your property with regards to what kind of structures you can or cannot erect upon them.
Hello TXMichaels. If you only watched 1-minute of the video then you missed the part where I said "Get a Land Surveyor". It's actually in the Video -AND- in the description.
We usually charge realtors a premium. They're car salesmen providing aerial boundary maps that they can't verify. It was cute how he dug holes, though.
Just dealt with and still dealing with property line issues. DON'T use phone GPS app or anything related. It's not accurate. Don't be cheap and get it marked properly, by a surveyor. Just because you found the "pin" doesn't mean the neighbor or previous property owner hasn't moved it. Yes, people move them even though its illegal. You pay the couple thousand up front for the survey but it'll save you possibly literally years of adverse possession lawyers and court fees. Speaking from experience. Luckily it all worked out in my favor. I still had to move fence lines that were 20+ feet off on a neighborhood lot. IMHO it should be law to have the "pins" surveyed when a property is purchased/sold. I will NEVER buy a property again until it has been recently and properly surveyed and any/all issues have been resolved with the neighboring properties.
The algorithm fed this to me without searching for it - you're about to get thousands of views!
Thank you Ted. My goal with this video is to help some people with easy information about their property lines. And everyone is correct to hire a surveyor for usually more reliable information.
I appreciate the info you provided. People on here trolling about the cost. They spend more at Starbucks for burnt coffee, give me a break. This is a helpful tool and like the man said..."get a survey done". Have you tried getting a surveyor lately? If they are good and their fee is reasonable you may get a date 30-60 days from now.
Hi K Jay. Yes, we have trouble finding a Surveyor who can do the job within the Contingency period, communicate with the buyers, and recommend solutions to defects found on the Survey. It has become a real issue as there are fewer and fewer workers every year.
Couple things:
1) The lines on these apps are based on tax maps in most cases, which are mainly for parcel inventory and are not survey grade representations. As you can see in the video, without the confirming survey markers, one could easily costrue the driveways on each side to be encroaching onto neighboring properties. Once the irons were recovered, that obviously wasn't the case.
2) In our area, all tax maps contain disclaimers that they aren't to be construed as survey-grade accuracy. Unfortunately, the phone apps that I've encountered do not pass along such a dislclaimer.
3) The use of the hoola hoop strikes me as comical, as the radius of uncertainty can be substantially greater than that. If you're going to go this route, expand your search if you don't have luck right away.
4) In the era of underground dog "fencing", it's not uncommon for those being in close proximity to boundary lines. If your metal detector is of a beachcomber variety, be sure to let your neighbor know if you accidentally spade through one of their wires. Otherwise you may wind up in court because Fido got hit by a car.
5) The irons recovered in the video looked authentic because the had identifying plastic caps on them. This wasn't the case in bygone years, so anything looking as if it took real effort to drive in the ground could be a surveyor's official marker. Without corroborating survey map information, however, you may be taking a chance that it's something like an old horseshoe stake. Or even worse, something that an earstwhile landowner decided was a corner based on their phone app.
6) Phone-grade gps is not as accurate as survey-grade particularly when "canopy"
obstructs gps signals. Don't believe me? Go stand in the woods or concrete jungle and watch the blue dot move while you're standing still. Or if you can mark a "waypoint", hit a fire hydrant and navigate to over a period of time.
In conclusion, don't get into a shooting war with your neighbors without consulting a licensed land surveyor.
Good points Neal. There was a 2' or 3' delta between the points. The diameter of a hula-hoop.
neal, you are spot on (and I suspect you are a surveyor). They just dont understand what they dont understand. Even IF monuments are found, it certainly doesnt mean they are necessarily the true location of the property corner. He is trying to shoot a fly off the head of an elephant at 500 yards with a cannon by using these apps.
@@itchynackers Itchy: The HE you are referring to is ME. I paid for a very expensive survey post video, and confirmed the stakes that I located were 100% accurate. No 500 yards, no flies, no elephants. Just helpful free advice that 1,000's of people have used already.
Retired GIS guy here: GIS data should never be relied upon for this kind of legal accuracy. It is often a bit off, and usually is derived from paper maps that were also inaccurate. We frequently had to “rubber sheet” subdivisions to fit around existing parcels. There is a reason many legal descriptions end in “more or less”. My own home was built across the property line due to a survey error and the owner at the time was forced to buy 15 feet of land from the neighbor. As for using GIS with a phone app, most phone GPS units are not of that level of precision.
Thank you EVTinker. Good points and well received.
I’m a surveyor in Texas and I use LandGlide all the time. Quite handy.
Awesome thanks for sharing, I'm glad to know surveyors are using LandGlide as well.
Lol
My county had a free online GIS map. Seemed fairly accurate, could sew where my neighbor fence crossed over. Showed my old house too, confirmed what we always thought was the line, but neighbors survey lines went another 5 ft over
GIS maps are not accurate representations of property lines! They are only approximations for tax purposes, and cannot confirm or refute what a survey determines. If your GIS map differs from your neighbor’s survey, chances are slim that the GIS is correct. Only way to know is by surveying your own property. Chances are high it will agree with your neighbor’s.
This video is better than your last on this topic. An important point is not to rely on Landglide, or any GIS system, to determine where property corners are if monuments are absent or searched for and not found. In your example, per Landglide the easterly property line appears to lie on the neighbor's driveway. The location of monumentation found in the field appear to show that is not the case. In some areas the discrepancy between the title lines shown per Landglide and the location a surveyor would determine in the course of a retracement survey could differ a fair amount more. As a licensed surveyor from CA, I don't see an issue with providing advice that Landglide or a similar ap can be used as a tool to search for survey monuments. But always remember, if you advise a client, or give the impression that you are providing advice, that your client can rely on Landglide to determine where their property lines are located, such advice could be construed as practicing surveying without a license.
I appreciate it all, the fact that you watched both videos, provided insightful/knowledgeable critiques, with help from viewers like you I'm doing my best to get better at making videos. Yes, I do my very best to spread "If you are buying/selling land/property or for any other reason need them exact, ALWAYS higher and pay a land surveyor to get them exact." I Should have that in the description, pinned comment, and said throughout the video itself. Thanks again for your time and help, I truly appreciate it.🤝
@@MarkTheRealtor Hire
Use of the app only gives estimation and ease of use for users. It never implies the app is doing a licensed surveyors job. However it sure helps the laymen better understand without having to pay again for the general info needed.
Can surveyor's pins be off?
@@bigearn8782 The short answer is "Depends...". It's important to understand that a Boundary retracement survey is much more than a math problem. Often times we're reviewing records that don't agree with each other in terms of boundary location. A good boundary survey will take evidence into consideration both in records as well as evidence found in the field, and it's incumbent on the surveyor to consider how a judge may rule in the event his survey is tested in court. In my own practice I generally regard undisturbed monuments set by the original surveyor as controlling, even if they measure a bit off record measurements. If there are gross errors that may be another story. If reviewing non-original monuments, what are the pedigree? Did the retracing surveyor tag the monuments with his license number and give constructive notice of them with the local jurisdiction? If so, I can review his work and conclusions. If not..... If I find untagged monuments with no record, I'm very suspicious of them. For all I know they may have been set by someone without a license.
These techniques may get you close but the best way is to get a copy of your deed, most deeds but not all should have a description of the property which will tell you what you should be looking for at each corner. Not all corners are metal stakes (rebar). Some corners may be a set stone, a tree a piece of pipe. Also the information on the web is based on tax maps that can be several years out of date, depending on your location. Sometimes a corner may be in the middle of the road. If you truly won't to know where your corners are have a survey done, they can also reset any corners that are missing. This guy may find a corner but he has know way to tell if it is the right corner or something else.
Good points Paul. Thank you for sharing.
Even having your own deed is not enough. You need all neighboring deeds and records. There are always overlaps, one deed being senior to another (written before the other deed). There are typos and overlaps. Law suits may have been filed that affects you. You could have gained or lost due to imminent domain procedures. Those are just some of the reasons a title company search along with your licensed surveyor's checking many of these situations will keep you from loosing many years worth of your labor.
@@alibarron7558 Thank you Ali. Well received.
3 1/2 years and 4 surveys later we are still fighting a 15 ft encroachment by our neighbor. The Title company did not find the encroachment and didn't do a survey based on one paragraph in our title policy. The Title company won a suit based on policy fine print. Read your title policy carefully with a good lawyer. We are awaiting a judgement by a judge who can give our property to the neighbor based on the neighbor's claim of making a "mistake". We have had to try to prove "gross negligence" on the neighbor. Always get a survey before buying property and Read the Title Insurance Policy.
When I moved into my current house, which was new at the time, I found the pins and planted a small evergreen tree right behind each. At the front of the house, the change in the color of the sidewalk concrete makes easy markers for the property lines. Makes figuring out where to mow easy-breezy!
I like that you know where your property lines are. Good work.
Thank you so much for this video, it was easy to understand. I live in a neighborhood and my neighbor is putting up a fence, he has encroached on my property and I told him so and he knows it. I've tried talking to him about it and he was being very loud, cussing and was very unreasonable to say the least. So I think my next step will be is to use your method of finding the markers in the ground and going to court if he refuses to take down the part of the fence thst is on my property. I do have a survey aswell. 🎯🎯🎯
An official survey by a licensed surveyor would hold a LOT more water in court than a phone app.
@@drozcompany4132 Thank you🙏🕊✝️
You may want to add in a future video that yes, you may try to find your property corners. However, in Texas it is illegal to disturb (meaning to move, remove or re-adjust) a survey stake (iron pin) set for the purpose of defining property lines. I would strongly suggest using a licensed engineering or surveying company.
My point exactly Wes. Rules, Laws, Licenses, .....layers and layers reasons why Consumers can not get the information they need without spending $800 and waiting 25 days for a Survey to come back. When my customers are considering the purchase of a house, I should tell them, they have no rights to those answers unless they spend $800 and wait 25 days? Please no. There must be a solution because the system has not changed in my 33 years as a Real Estate broker.
Yeah, and even though you can change a light bulb yourself, I would suggest paying a licensed electrician to do it.
Come on! We aren't a bunch of helpless noobs. I actually change my own oil, mow my lawn, and clean my gutters. I have located several survey pins, and locate doesn't mean relocate.
When I tried those types of Apps they all seemed to be off by about 15 feet.
Yet they are very helpful.
the more satellites you can get the better GPS is - the fewer satellites the worse
I’m a 20yr RE broker. From a liability standpoint, realtors should never be surveying or offering an opinion of the property lines. Only a surveyor should be doing this. Tax records (at least in AZ) use this same GPS overlay so you don’t need an app to find approximate lines. Further, without a title search and a complete legal description you won’t know about all possible easements or setbacks.
Well said. I have a land surveyors license in Az & CA. Being over 80 now, the Nevada license was let go. GPS is wonderful if used properly but right now, quick buck artists are doing some very shoddy work.
Hi Dan. I'm a 33-year RE Broker and I think consumers deserve more information pre-contract about their approximate property lines and corners. Otherwise we Realtors write the contract and would you suggest without the buyers having any idea where the property line is? Unless they spend $800 - $2,200 on a Survey and it comes back 25 days later. Customers need basic information quickly. And an App and a metal detector can often offer some early information, WITH the disclosure the Licensed Surveyors are more accurate. In the Video -and- in the Description I clearly state to hire a Licensed Surveyor if exact results are expected. I think it's irresponsible of Licensed Realtors who have tools at our disposal just to take the easy road and tell consumers "Oh, I have no clue where the property lines are, you can figure it out later".
Hi Ali. I am assuming you are calling me a "quick buck artist"? I did not earn 1 penny from LandGlide on this project. It was a complete arms length transaction. As an experienced Land Surveyor, I am asking you to sit down and try to find a way to get accurate information to consumers without them paying $800-$2,200 and waiting 25 days for it post contract? Please Ali, the system needs rethinking. I worked on a survey crew in the 1980's and to me not much has changed in 40+ years.
@@MarkTheRealtor You state that "This video is meant to aid neighbors with minor disputes" but your comment to me is about prior to contract. I always provide the tax record with the GPS overlay and the legal description, then we walk the property to see if there are potential issues we can identify prior to contract. So while I do help buyers identify approximate property lines, I don't need an app to do so - the tax record is the app. If we need further investigation, that would happen during the due diligence period after we were under contract. If exact property lines or corners are needed or we suspect there's a problem, then you would hire a surveyor and chalk that up to the cost of doing business. We're not allowed to root around in people's yards prior to contract and must pay to restore anything we destroy or modify during due diligence. What you fail to understand is the liability that comes with acting as a surveyor when you're not. What if the pins you find are in the wrong place and the buyer decides against a survey during the due diligence period? You're sued and E&O insurance wouldn't cover it is what happens. YMMV since I'm in AZ and you appear to be in MO which has different laws. I actually agree with you on a few things, but you're awfully thin-skinned and accusatory about comments here.
Read your comment Dan. We align on very few things so it's time we just agree to disagree.
As someone who has working in the Land Surveying profession for 30 plus years I suggest you call an actual Professional Land Surveyor in your area for at least their professional opinion before you listen to anyone that does not carry such license.
EXACTLY as I said in the Video, and in the description. If EXACT is what you need, get a licensed surveyor.
You are in the Midwest where they used the "Government Survey system". In TEXAS, most of Texas, the original "Survey "System" was done by SPAIN. The "Spanish Land Grant System. They used Creeks, Rivers, Trees, some obscured Rock outcroppings. So, guess what, many of these "land marks have" CHANGED or do not exist anymore. "Subdivisions" in Texas, those that have been done in the last 25 YEARS are platted as a rule. Some are NOT. The land I live on has NEVER been platted. The LEGAL Description is the Metes and Bounds done by a Surveyor. In other words, what might get you pretty close in St. Louis will not even BEGIN to work in Texas, and other states affected by the Spaniards. ALWAYS get a SURVEY!! Always, get a SURVEY. A survey tells you OTHER THINGS about your SITE or land. It will pinpoint EASEMENTS you do not even know exist etc. This situation will vary from State to State and locale to locale. The above method is only a "educated estimate" in a Subdivision. Most people live in "subdivision," which to me is a tragedy everyone has to live in a Suburb now that is not an ARISTOCRAT. I would call this a "Quick and Dirty Method". If that is all you need for "estimation purposes" for another "Quick and Dirty" idea, it might work, but NEVER rely on ANYTHING, that is the reason you should always get a Survey and then a Title Commitment before you CLOSE on a Purchase.
THIS is "what" READING "your" COMMENT is "like."
In the Video -AND- in the description I clearly recommended getting a Survey for more accuracy.
Great video Mark. My neighbor pulled up all the marker flags once he got wind I wanted to build a fence.
That’s illegal
Corners aren't always where they are supposed to be. “Don't ever take a fence down until you know why it was put up” (Robert Frost)
Good points Solohoh. Thanks for sharing.
A few things. Lucky that lot is in a new subdivision. Newly created subdivisions are usually marked well. Surveyors know this and will give a better price. Most parcels are not defined that well and using an online mapping app will probably get you in more trouble than you want. The source of the data is through the towns GIS database and most towns do not have very accurate records. I'd give the average error about 10-15 feet, but I've seen it off by more than 50. As an aeample the town where my cabin is located shows the lot line going through my house. As a surveyor, I know I staked my foundation 30' from the lot line. Ive also seen the old deeds like you describe. Beginning 100 rods from the intersection of Old Bog Road, more or less to a large oak tree, thense southwesterly 250 rods by land of Jones to a stone wall located in a meadow, thense 250 rods to a stream, etc...
I've also seen cases were there are iron pins/rebar off by a few feet. Maybe someone hit it with their lawnmower, pulled it then maybe put it back in as best as they coudl remember. So yes, iron pins can be in the wrong place.Typically surveyors will go back before the subdivision was created to locate the drill holes, stone bounds and other monuments before they set pins in new lots.
Thanks Mark for the comment. In my County is is rarely outside of the 3' circle. Even on hilly and treed property.
@@MarkTheRealtor 3' is pretty amazing, or you've just been lucky. Just the typical GNSS error for most phones is 10' or so. Even my GNSS survey receivers are more than 3' without a correction stream. I can guarantee you that you'd need a 30' hoola hoop to find a pin in a pine forest. Cheers!
@@markohara3645 Good point Mark. Many viewers are commenting that it's not very accurate in their area. Darn.
Just make a trip to your local city or county land office and get a copy of your deed, it will probably only cost for the copy itself. There will be exact measurements from corner to corner or pin to pin, just use a long tape measure. Once you find one, the others will be easy enough, just look for a steel rod or rebar driven into the ground. Be very careful digging especially near the street, many utilities are not deep at all. You normally don't have to dig to find the corner pins unless it is in an area that is mowed and then the pin may be level with the ground. Good luck!
Good points David. Yes, that will get you some information. And like the Surveyor's on this thread will point out, hopefully the corners located will be the ones we are looking for.
Always hire a Surveyor to verify the accuracy and location of property lines and corners. Apps use public information that are inaccurate and unreliable. Depending on your location your corners can be rebar, concrete monuments, pipes, car axles, lighternot posts, shotgun barrels, spindle rods or any number of things that were available.
Also if you have a neighbor who moved them
Hi Shannon. In the video and in the description I suggested hiring a Licensed Surveyor. Do you have any thoughts for people who don't want to spend $800 and wait 4 weeks for the information?
@@MarkTheRealtor I would tell them it is worth the money. Land is one of the most valuable things a person can own. Hiring a liscenced surveyor to do a survey map is essentially like a type of insurance for your land ensuring you own what you think you own. And if done properly the map is recorded with the county forevor. 800$ sounds like a pretty good deal to me. Also, surveyors are in extremely hight demand everywhere, so waiting 4 or more weeks is unfortunately just the nature of the game.
@@haydencrow7802 Good points Hayden. Well received.
@@MarkTheRealtor I want a million dollar mansion but I don't want to have to pay a million dollars
Mark, you bring up some very good points, I am of the mindset that homeowners paid to have the corners of their property marked with monuments, and they should be able to locate them. Your point of 'reminding" neighbors of the boundary lines is something I agree with and think the neighbors should walk the boundaries every year. But please as a land surveyor and program coordinator/instructor for a surveying program at a college....PLEASE don't dig straight down when trying to locate property corners/monuments. It is extremely easy to disturb them. Shave the ground with the shovel, just taking the top layer off slowly. I realize it's slow, my students complain all the time about that....but that is the industry standard.
the real problem occurs when you find a "pin farm", or several markers of the same size near each other because some amateur thought HIS corner placement was "more correct", and needed to "fix" the previous survey...which discounts the legal ramifications of adverse possession. And always remember, the location of boundary is fact, the location of ownership is a matter of legal means, which includes boundaries, and limits of possession.
Hi Michael. Now this one is a great Comment. Thank you so much and well received.
This does not work well. Perhaps in the midwest, in the urban and suburban world, lots are square with metal markers under the surface. I used Land Glide and went around on my property in New England as I have lots of forest I own and manage including cutting for firewood. I found that I could stand on a spot and the Land Glide spot would move 20 feet in any direction with me just standing there. I could come back later and the marked boundary marker was now 50 feet from the new spot Land Glide told me. The added problems for me are that nothing on my lot is square. There is one post type marker on over 13 acres and it's a concrete post in the ground, exposed about 1 1/2 inches. The rest of the legal boundaries are "drill mark" in a boulder in a stone wall. Then angles defined and distances to the next point that if I'm lucky is another drill mark in a boulder. But some are just nothing whatsoever. There are no metal markers on my property. I do know that Land Glide is free for some amount of time and I am not a procrastinator so I downloaded it and went out and marked my boundaries. I mostly wanted to mark a long, straight line that went up and down hills with about 50 foot elevation changes with each peak and valley. I mostly want to not cut trees that are outside of my land so if nothing else, my new markers are a guide and I'll stay 50 feet away, hoping that's enough. I did see at one spot, a neighboring property had an invisible dog fence with flags marking it and Land Glide said that these were about 10 feet into my property. The owner came and talked to me and low and behold, he had a professional survey done so his flags were accurate and Land Glide was not. I suppose if you're a hunter and want to know "about" where you are inside a lot you have permission to hunt in, that should be fine. But as a guide to see where boundaries really are, accurately, well, no. Not even close unless you're ok with being 50 feet off.
Thank you Jack for trying. The accuracy will depend the the GIS mapping department for your County. They overlay your County's Plat on top of the aerial. Accuracy problems are worse in hilly areas too.
I had a professional survey done at the same time a neighbor did, the surveyor they used tried to plot onto my land into the middle of my shed and well, my surveyor found that they started from the wrong point, it took me and my surveyor going to the county to prove that their survey was wrong. Every once in a while the other property owner tries to disprove my points and we go through the fun of proving who is right and wrong. The 2 back points are identified by telephone poles that bisect the back line of the subdivision we live in.
Thank you Buck for commenting on this topic.
To say I’m grateful is an understatement .Thank you so much for this empowering and knowledgeable video. Subscribed and again, Thanks!
In a sea of negative comments, I so appreciate the grateful ones. Thank you.
This app appears to be meant to find property stakes where they were put into the ground and it does as it should. Having metal detector to help find these stakes is very useful. I have helped many people locate their property stakes using a metal detector when they knew roughly where the stake was already located, they did not want a survey they just wanted to find the property stake that they already knew was there. This app helps. Thank you
Good points Ben. Thank you for participating.
I have metal detector, just haven’t had enough time to go out and dig
GIS platting is notoriously vague and cannot be relied upon it can be off by as much as 6 feet on a given lot. Only rely upon a proper known survey. I 100% know the ariel plat set on my lot is off by at least 3.5 feet (side to side) front to back is fairly close within a foot or so. I went through an issue with neighbor trying to claim several feet of my lot after purchase. This was all due to them looking at the GIS for the county thinking it was accurate. Had survey done with a highly accurate GPS base point (Coast Guard and State points) to resolve the issue.
Thanks Mike for the note. I understand. Like it said in the video and the description, hire a Surveyor when absolute accuracy is desired. Can you report back, how much money did it cost you to get a survey, did they stake the corners, did they pull your legal description, did they locate the easements? And how many weeks did it take to get the sealed Survey to you? Were you invited to attend the Survey? Did you have any post-survey questions and were those questions answered in a timely manner? And most importantly did your neighbor get a copy of your survey and did they trust it was accurate? And lastly what is the accuracy and the tolerance of your Coast Guard GPS? 1 meter? 3 meters?
@@MarkTheRealtor Tolerance was under 6 inches as required for surveys in my state. Surveyor said his accuracy was less than 1 inch on his equipment for my survey.Total time from survey request to final paperwork about 7 days. Mine may have been a bit sooner than for some as I worked with this engineering firm many times in the course of my career in construction. Cost at that time was 1100.00 US for full drawings with registered survey also pins are required in all surveys in my state 2018
@@mikejones-ss7rt Thank you Mike. That all sounds great. Appreciate the comments.
I have a 10 acre parcel and it was hard to know where the lines were since I had the corners marked and about every 300' a stake on the line.
I bought a $15 green laser off Walmart, taped it to a tripod and eyeballed where the laser hit some leaves in line with the corner markers, then
I walked with a piece of cardboard to catch where the laser was and using a pole with a string with a rock on it, I was able to see where I intersected
the laser light and where the string settled I placed a rebar with a flag just inside my line. It really helped a lot and it closer than 1 meter.
Good work Willie. Thanks for the note.
Very good info.24 years ago a woman paid cash for a house in a small town, no survey was done. She now wants to sell her 30ft wide lot with a 24 ft double wide unfortunately 2 ft of her deck is on the lot next door and all of her 12 ft wide sunroom is on the other neighbours land. The realtor wanted to know if the would sell the old girl the stolen land for a dollar and the answer is no. She has some serious alterations to make and she has a home with no side yards and she will be lucky to sell it for $50,000.
Yikes, that sound rough.
My experience with LandGlide in the Blue Ridge Mountains of Western North Carolina is that it is only accurate to +/- 30 feet. I would need a larger hula-hoop! I didn't know about the street and curb markings, thanks for the tip.
Mine was off, too (AZ). The blue dot was 10' to the right of the true mark. ...after setting the phone down and let the blue dot settle down from moving all over. Then I could easily go left 10' and find whatever.
@@Skiezah If you want to lose a property, order a Survey up front, wait 30-days for the Title, copies of all the easements, locate the encroachments, spend $1,000 or more, have the Survey be late, and then try to buy the house after it's been sold to someone else 30-days ago.
I bought a $40 metal detector from Harbor Freight and found all four rods in 30 minutes on the piece of land I bought. 👍🏼👍🏼
@@jhandle4196 Point taken, thanks.
@@jhandle4196 If there is a plastic cap on the rebar with the license number of the surveyor you are 99.5% good.
I have never had a building official argue with that.
Interesting. Thank you for sharing.
Interesting. I live in rural NE Thailand along the Mekong river. The local land office delineates property with 6" cement plugs much like the dug-in rebar rods. It's useful to know your boundaries.
Thanks for sharing Victor. Sounds like you too may have had an HP-41CX?
Keep in mind his marking descriptions are applicable to his region (state, county, etc.) only. There are different types of markers used, often buried deeper because they don't want homeowner's landscaping plans to destroy monuments. Many places do not cut crosses in the street or curb, but sink a lead tack and washer with the surveyor's number on it in the curb top or set in cement inside a 2" iron pipe
Thank you Dan. Great comment.
This is great now I can move my neighbours metal rods and give myself more property 😂
LOL!!!
What I can see is that your device shows your location about 15 feets away from where you are!
So it’s even less precise than my guesses!
Thank you for weighing in NMets.
My next door neighbor found the survey markers and moved them. The very next day a fence company came and now his fence is on my land. He also wanted to steal more so continued his fence but not a normal wood fence like on the back side. Structural concrete blocks that were installed with a crane. 14" over the line.
Now it is up the court fix him! Do think he used an app like what just watched.
Hello Steven. I think your neighbor wanted some of your Land. When people have no clue where their property lines are, they clearly need more info. A Licensed Surveyor would have solved this problem, but no one wanted to spend the money to hire one.
I had a project where an entire DQ parking lot was built on state highway land because the GIS was off 50 feet, and someone found a monument that happened to also be 50 feet south, building a gas station, DQ, and parking lot off of it. We had to get the land relinquished from the state and dedicate a new right of way going through the rear yard of the property. The location was closed for three years while this process occurred, and probably costs the owners $1.2-1.8 million in gross revenue.
Another issue I see is legal descriptions often do not compute into geometric data well when it's written by lawyers or real estate people, and whoever generated the GIS data made a guess to get the map out. I'm acquiring a property right now that has a legal description that overlaps the next lot by 20 feet if the description is strictly interpreted.
Yet another issue is there may have been lot line adjustments after the monuments were set.
Another issue is there may be two monuments set by two surveyors, and one is the original. Newer is not better. The original may have been a wood 2x2, and the newer one is a pipe. If you find the pipe and there's a 2x2 5 feet inside your fence, guess what...
Maybe your side yard seems nice and wide, and you build a shop taking measurements to the existing fence, and we come along and flag corners that are 10 feet inside your land and passing a few inches inside the shop. You pick a fight in court with lots of lawyer fees, and it doesn't matter because you built it on a 20 foot wide utility easement and not only is it over the property line, your shop is 10 feet into the easement and has to be taken down no matter what because it isn't an issue with your neighbor, it's with the public utilities that you just built a shop over, all because your neighbors fence was on their side of the utility easement, you thought everything on the inside the fence was yours. Happens all the time.
That does sound frustrating Ryan. Yikes.
Pay the money to get it done right by a surveyor. Virginia requires licensing bc their property laws are the best!
Sad part is that most people either can not or will not pay the money. YES, getting a Survey is best but it's not an available option for so many property owners.
@@MarkTheRealtor agreed. Bought a house in 2006 where the neighbor’s driveway was encroaching, and was found by a surveyor. Ten years go by without your acknowledgment of that encroachment, it becomes his
As a real estate broker with 30 years of experience. What is suggested here is ok for a general idea, but it also sounds very similar to many nightmare stories of property line disputes I have heard of and seen through the years. If you need or want to know your property boundaries hire a qualified surveyor. As a real estate broker if you represent to a client you are qualified to locate the property boundaries you run the risk of using your errors and omission's insurance and a lot of time in court.
Hello Laddie. You are 100% correct. Surveyors will be more accurate. But surveyors cost money, and, let's face it, most home owners are too thrifty to hire them. So they wing it and are way off and their new pool is 15' onto the neighbors property. Sometimes an App like this can at least give people a general idea? Maybe?
@MarkTheRealtor Broker here in 2 states since 1983.
Never ever play surveyor or groundhog and go digging, for that matter. You put your clients at risk, if you're wrong, and put yourself at risk if your client decides later he doesn't like your answer. You are in violation and putting your broker at risk for any comments made as fact.
You must always let clients know THEIR options, which are a. obtain markers from seller, if known; b. negotiate the cost of surveys up front in the transaction, or c. buyer may elect to have a survey done at their own expense, d. rely on an app (not recommended), and finally, e. take no action at all.
Your job is to advise, within the scope of your expertise, PERIOD. Unless you're a surveyor, or an attorney, or a city planner, you are NOT qualified to go any further with legal advice or other actions. Ask buyer what THEY want to do, then document in writing that buyer understands their options and document their choices.
Your excuse that buyers want to save money is not a valid reason to make decisions for them. They are purchasing a property and as such, you advise, then follow their instruction.
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@@littlefarmerette123 Hello LittleFarmer. Although I appreciate you commenting on this thread. I disagree with nearly everything you wrote. In the Video and in the Description I recommend getting a Survey. As a Realtor since 1983, I think it is your responsibility to use tools at your disposal to advise clients before they spend hundreds of thousands of dollars. When customers ask you "where do you think the property is", do you just hide behind your interpretation of the rules and tell them to get a Survey 25-days later? By then, the house is already sold. The system is broken and with over 500,000 views the popularity of this video demonstrates how unhappy the Public is with the system and how it has been since the 1980's when I was on a survey crew. This idea that no one can take measurements or touch the Earth unless you're a licensed surveyor is wrong. Even in my own backyard.
If you have access to a parcel map, and you do if you can find the county assessor's office, then all you need to do is use a long tape measure or a measuring wheel and a compass, like the one in your phone, to get close to the markers. I did this, and I know I'm very close because when I finished the last side of my property I arrived within a couple of feet of my starting point. Even having done this, the only legally valid way to find and mark the boundaries is to hire a licensed surveyor, and they charge a lot to do it because they know they have a legal lock on the process. If you're working with your neighbors to contract for fencing, as I am, arrange to have all the lots in question surveyed at the same time for a possible discount.
Thank you Ranger for weighing in.
That company's got a great hussle. It's an ortho rectified image, overlay the publicly parcel layer, using your phone non survey grade GPS, in limiting your zoom. I could see how it's useful in many cases
Thank you BYI for sharing your thoughts.
Lol… get a professional survey.. as for the iron pins, those can be moved.. “within a few feet “ can make a huge difference, especially when it comes to fences, driveways or building locations… also having a professional survey gives you legal backing in case of errors.
Hello Gearhead. Yes, exactly like I said in the Video -and- in the Description.
Mostly a sales pitch.
Hi Patrick. Clearly you did not watch the whole video. NOT A SALES PITCH. Not selling anything and I did not receive even 1 penny from the App. Trying to help property owners and home buyers find their damn corners because that information seems to be hidden from them. The only thing I may have been Selling.....is the need to get your own Surveyor to be 100% accurate every time.
If you are planting a bush or two and you have found the markers, this might be ok. I repeat might. If you are installing a fence for thousands of dollars, you are a fool, unless you have a licensed surveyor show you the actual location of your boundaries. As someone else pointed out, the found marker might be an offset due to an obstruction at the location of the actual property corner. And on another note these gis maps are off by feet a lot of times. An old surveyor of over 45 years.
Hi Steve. I have an actual Survey from a licensed surveyor to confirm what I found is accurate.
HuntStand and other hunting apps also show property lines, but they are only approximate. In my case, in Camden County MO my western property line is approximately 5 feet to the east as shown on GSI site and HuntStand app. I like the idea to find the corner pins. But as someone commented, without a professional survey, I would only use a guide. good info because I would like to find my corners and remark them.
Yes, great comment Mike. Well received.
I used to work for a company drawing maps like this. They were never close! They would not hold up in a court of law!!! Get a surveyor!
Hi Richard. Like I said in the video and the description. If Law is involved, correct, get a surveyor.
Use a surveyor.
Exactly as it says IN THE VIDEO. And in the Description. My point is, that by the time people "Use a Surveyor" they have lost the house they want to purchase, and there is no property to survey.
Hugely Helpful!
Very helpful. I used the 7 day free trial and see my neighbor that I don't get along with has his fence on my property. Of course I would get it surveyed before I ask him to move it. if our relationship deteriorates further I will.
Good thinking Jimmy.
Disclaimer : I've worked in a land survey office for 35 years. I don't want your business, just sayin.
The number of times we have had issues with non-surveyors (home owners and realtors, specifically) starting fights with neighbors because they "knew" where their boundaries were is astronomical. Sure these methods may give you a starting point, but BEFORE you go off half cocked, or even mention you think there is an issue, HIRE A LAND SURVEYOR. Yes they can be expensive, but your property is probably the most expensive thing you will ever own. It just makes sense to do it right. Or, start a big fight, end up in court, and spend that money on lawyers. It's up to you I guess.
Another point - one problem with these apps is they use an aerial overlay, and unless you're really lucky the photo is not taken orthogonal (perpendicular) to the ground at your location. This will give you a false impression of the location.
Good points Peter. Thanks for the note. I did read it.
What about the ego to not bring a surveyor of both Neighbours. Ego>>Surveyor. Prefer die fighting over a rival than bring surveyor.
Thank you! We have lived in our home for over 15 years and unfortunately we have new neighbors on one side. So I really want to know my property line.
Good points Debby. Yes, this could help.
Trouble with maps is they are not necessarily on where they should be. My ex inherited some land when her mother died. The county has it all wrong because there is a 15 ac bump-out that doesn't show on maps/county records. Yet it has been part of the homeplace for at least 60 yrs.
GIS data can be quite good or wildly inaccurate depending on source.
Thank you for participating @oldmaninthemirror.
It would be nice if LandGlide offered a one-and-done price on single use. Home owners and prospective property owners alike would benefit. Unless one needs to constantly check their property line on an ongoing basis, a recurring charge of $9.99/mo or $99.99/yr thereafter who desire the utmost in economy is too much.
I agree, hopefully users will be able to pay the $9.99 and within the month accomplish what they wish using LandGlide then go in and cancel the subscription before the user is billed for the 2nd month.
@@MarkTheRealtor"The Customer Is Always Right"! One shouldn't have go anywhere and cancel anything. I'm not anybody's secretary are you?
You could also look up the property on Zillow. They seem to do a pretty good job at overlaying the property lines (although I'm sure it could vary by region). Landmarks may have changed between the time the satellite picture display on Zillow was taken and when you are checking, though, so having the app show your location in realtime could be beneficial.
@@mattolsen353 I could do a lot of things and so can you.
@mr richie p Good for you.
thank you sir! the app and metal detector made it possible 😊
Glad to hear it!
a surveyor told me $1700 because he had done my property a while ago and knew it was a difficult job. Later i thought, if he did it previously then he already has that recorded and was going to do it again for a sweet paycheck of a few hours of work for a hell of a profit. I bought the property without the survey and spent that money on the mortgage. It was a no brainer.
As long as you pay taxes on something it never really belongs to you.
Good point Jimmy. Now we can not only pay taxes, but many Municipalities are voting in Ordinances that they can enter your property to do interior inspections. Uhhhhhh, Nope.
The internet property lines can be way off if there has been a mistake recorded by a previous land surveyor. It happened on my property
the beautiful Indiana limestone house in the background
Alternatively, you can just search your "(county or city) (state) parcel map" into a search and find these GIS overlays, you just won't get your real-time location shown with a dot. These overlays can be helpful generally, but definitely get a proper survey done if you have any legal reasons for looking into your property lines. I work on the Civil Engineering/Survey side of things and produce Plats for Easements and Right of Way land acquisitions from property owners. These GIS overlays don't always match the legal descriptions. Sometimes it takes a very deep dive and sorting through all kinds of legal nonsense before finding actual answers.
Thank you Zach for the comments.
How do you know if the correct pin has been found, or if a pin has been pulled and re-located by someone? Hire a professional surveyor to know for sure.
I did hire a professional Survey right after this video. It confirmed those points were 100% accurate. And 1,000's of other people have used the skills they learned in this Video to do the same.
@@fgruber70 I did hire a survey post video to confirm the points I discovered were 100% accurate. Look, there are times when Survey's are the best way to go. But this idea that consumers can not measure on their own land, dig on their own land, or drive stakes in their own land is ridiculous. For the consumers reading these comments, do what you want ....IT's YOUR LAND.
My neighbor didn't forget where the corner markers are, he pulled them out.
Yuck, that is rough.
The landowners and prospective purchasers just need to be informed that while there is a very decent chance that this app will be right on the money, or property lines/corners as it were, it still probably won't stand up in court. I think a registered survey is the only method which will stand up in a court or other official situation.
Hi Dan. I was crystal clear BOTH in the Video and in the Description to hire a Licensed Surveyor for more accuracy. So before you start talking about Court cases, consider watching the material thoroughly.
Fellow real estate broker here! I didn't hear you comment on the purpose of the aluminum stepladder showing in the video at 5:14. Looks like it's just to lean a shovel on!
Good day Art and thank you for watching. Very observant. The ladder held the video camera while I was on the ground.
Hire a surveyor if you want your property lines😊
Exactly as I said in the Video, and in the comments.
Right on brother!
You need a surveyor to "legally" determine your property corners/lines
Correct Drew. As said in the Video and in the Description.
Yes, we know this already. It's also stated clearly in the description. Why are you repeating what we already know and what was already said???
Thank you BigMac for the note.
GIS is a great planning tool, but it is not a substitute, does not represent in ANY legal capacity, and does not override, the boundary on the ground, which only a licensed land surveyor is legally allowed to determine.
If you don't have a survey with explicit notes about what was found or set, you have no clue whatsoever what you are looking at when you dig it up. If you dig up a metal rod, it's just a metal rod. Even if it has a licensee's cap and LS number on it, that is NOT a guarantee that it is a property corner. It could be an offset, reference mark, or in some (admittedly uncommon) cases simply a control point from which the property was measured.
Not only does boundary case law vary from region to region, the marks, monuments, "stakes", etc. as well as standard practice can vary significantly. Some areas have lot corners monumented, others may have them at an offset. Some areas might have those "crosshairs" in the street, while others do not. Some areas might be old enough that there are very few corner monuments, and the rights-of-way, blocks and lots are controlled by centerline monumentation found at the centerline intersections of roads - or maybe at an offset from those too!
Some surveyors observe bare minimum standards and set no more than they are required to. Others may set something more than required and thus what you find at a corner might not always be the same. Sometimes public agencies have authority, get involved with surveys along public streets and there will be one of their markers instead of local firm's markers.
Sometimes a portion of a block has been surveyed recently; sometimes no one has touched that area for decades. Your deed is not the only source from which your property lines can be determined. Your property adjoins other properties, and depending on the order in which they were divided and conveyed, someone might not have as much, or maybe has more, property than it appears. Sometimes a description is inadequate to describe a property. Other times it is in conflict with another description. Sometimes the length of a block on the ground is shorter or longer than what is called for on the subdivision and lots must be prorated.
On top of all that, sometimes occupation lines do not correspond with record descriptions or physical monumentation. Unwritten rights may exist in these areas depending on length of time occupied and the nature of the occupation.
The above is why myself and others are licensed to determine boundaries. There are dozens, if not hundreds, of nuances that one needs to understand before attempting to analyze and retrace a boundary. It also takes high-quality equipment that is regularly calibrated and procedures that are rigorous enough to be defended in court. It takes a deep knowledge of not only the technical aspect of measurement science, but also statutory and case law.
It's why education, training, examinations and mentorship are required to get that license, generally a minimum of 8-10 years' worth of experience, and why it costs good money to get a survey done.
Go ahead and "survey" your own property. You might get lucky.
If not, you're going to spend far more than you would have spent by just getting a survey in the first place.
Eric, as it says in the written description and verbally in my video, yes, consult a professional land surveyor.
I’ve had three surveyors say no the property lines are too vague they go way back and there’s really no record however there is spikes in the ground showing the property lines at least the town of Torrington believes that’s what they are I just need some kind of general idea for a fence replacement
My lot, 77.9 x 148 feet was platted in 1954 in a subdivision. I received, from the county, the history of the section I lived in dated to the mid 1860s. I didn't have this app, but found the original survey pins about 4 to 6 inches underground incased in concrete with a used metal detector. The concrete was about 7 inches in diameter. The survey showed 3 of the corners were 90 degrees. The 4 corner was 87.65 degrees. That was weird. But other lots on the plat showed similar measurements. Anyway, now I knew where to put my fence line.
So many stories about people having boundary issues. Sorry to hear this.
*_Is there an app we can use to get rid of our neighbor?_*
Love this Opie. Too funny. Neighbors are becoming the #1 reason why people choose to move now.
@@MarkTheRealtor Neighbors have always been a pain but it seems people are a lot more misbehaved and out of control.
@opieshomeshop You are exactly right about that. I had to get a survey and put up a fence due to several neighbors. One neighbor ripped out the survey stakes, same neighbor cut out a section of my new fence. And another neighbor tried to fight the guys installing the fence .
@@stanleyhape8427 Thats exactly where I am at right now. About to do a survey to build a new fence all the way out to the street. The funny thing is it will cut their side access to their house to next to nothing. I have the majority of the property line in my favor. These people are jerks because one night I seen 4 kids try and break into their house while they were gone so I called the police and the police couldnt enter the home without the owners permission, and their ring camera didnt pick anything up, which doesnt surprise me then after that they turned on me and have been extremely hostile to me since. Their painters left a ton of trash on my property and I put it back on their property and I got video of them coming to my door angry and yelling. I wasnt home that day. These people are in for a rude awakening if they keep this up. And all I did was call the police protecting their house. Thats a nice thank you.
@opieshomeshop That's terrible !!!
As per the guys that did my survey... the survey stakes belong to you because you paid for them, and you can call the cops if they are missing or destroyed . As it's destruction of personal property. After they replaced the stakes , I spray painted the stake and the ground. It looked like a X with the stake in the center. I also took pictures and some measurements to unmoveable items. I felt this was necessary as the fence guys were still 2 weeks out.
If someone gets mad at you for putting a fence up on YOUR property, then that's their problem.
A neighbor who has "forgotten their boundaries" .... classic!!😆
Happens too often. Sometimes it's dementia, sometimes it's pre-meditated.
@@MarkTheRealtor That's the worst when it's pre-medicated!
A word of caution.......Parcel Maps are not Surveyed Plans, plot plans are typically just representation of a property.....always use a stamped survey plan or visually locate bounds......not sure why a realtor would post such a video.....approximate location yes, but accurate enough to install iron rods, etc. I dont recommend this video, click bait for sure!
Hi Gary. Did you even watch the Video before judging us? The pins were already in the ground and the metal detector found them with the help of an App approximating their location. IF it's click bait then why have 500,000 people watched it with extreme retention rates? Apparently there is a gap in the current Survey process and the fact that home owners want to know approximately where their property is located?
@@MarkTheRealtor The most important thing to remember is that the law must be followed. Most people have no knowledge of laws, legal rights or if what they see & hear is true when it concerns property rights, that is the reason for 500K viewing it. If your video breaks or encourages the breaking of the law, then there is liability. However many of our laws are poorly or not enforced at all. An example of this is our current political state involving the breaking of laws.
A neodymium magnet on a string can help pinpoint that stake without digging.
I did not know that. Thanks for sharing.
Might not work if your boundary corner is non-ferrous. I have seen concrete monuments and x-cuts in concrete as boundary corners among other non-ferrous materials.
@@tumadre50 well of course not.
Never drive a wooden stake next to the property marker! You can knock it out of place. Always offset the stake by a foot or more.
Hello Kyle. I have seen thousands of stakes marking pins. Never have they been 12" from each other. Perhaps that is a standard in your market, but I have never seen that in my market.
@@MarkTheRealtorstakes are stakes and are flush with the ground, usually 2x2 inches, LATHES are three feet long wooden markers marking prop. cors. about an inch in the ground
@@glennkovacs1328 Thanks Glenn for the note.
Good info. for knowledge. TY.
Don't cheap out - GET A BOUNDARY LINE SURVEY DONE BY A LICENSED SURVEYOR!
Hi Sam. Thank you for participating. Allow me to tweak that some. IF you are adding a fence, a pool, a gazebo (like others have said), or putting on an addition (like others have said), yes, yes, yes, when it matters to be EXACT, hire a Licensed Surveyor. AND, if you are a home shopper who has 30-mins to make a decision on buying a house, and you need an approximation tool, consider some various Apps available to the public please.
If you want to know where your corners and lines are, hire a land Surveyor.
Yes, exact words I said in the Video. Confirmed.
What were your metal detector's settings at for sensitivity?
Good day Tyler E. I think my metal detectors is rather elementary. I don't see setting on it. Just on/off and volume.
Thank you!
I have previously used the On X apps for this feature, but it's more expensive.
OMG! I went to landglide and signed up for the 7 day free trial and they showed something not even close to our property lines. It showed a slanted rectangle that included pieces of the two side neighbors houses on "our" property. It was not even close to anything that resembled the actual lot. What a waste of time.
Hello Stony. Sorry to hear about those struggles. So the County where you live should have a GIS Mapping division that has the plat outline of each parcel in your County. Sounds like their overlay is not synching properly with the Aerial. It can be especially inaccurate in hilly areas .
You failed to mention it cost!!
Hi John. The cost changes month to month. I was not paid 1 penny by Landslide and have zero affiliation with the Company. So I can't be responsible for whatever their costs are.