I think of the way you say the phrase as similar to Marcel DuChamp's "Fountain" a fave thought-based art pieces that turns the mundane/icky into fine art, or at least something genuinely thoughtful :) Also, when you discussed Kayfabe, I think most of the youtubers I like to watch most have snarky or catchy things they say, but they and their audience are aware we all put up facades. Being able to admit "I don't know" is the antithesis (antidote?) to a whole pile of "here's the things" without any admission of ignorance.
There is a paper somewhere on Indigenous Australians taking an IQ test and being pissed that they were not working collectively. If you know who to ask, who is good at what, it's good practice to work together. It's foolish to try and do something badly alone when someone you know is good at it and can teach you as you do it together!
Implies they didn't look at themselves as individuals, like I expect most Westerners do. ...I remember reading that a group of Indigenous people, when introduced to basketball, basically made sure the score was even at the end of the game. You know, *because competition can cause discord.* 🤔
@@KTSamurai1 -I mean indigenous people aren’t a monolith, and the term “indigenous” doesn’t even make them Native Americans, necessarily. But yeah, he should have cited a source
I actually really like when a typically non-politically-focused youtuber like Erik from ICE takes the chance of dunking on a Sargon of Akkad, because it might open members of their typically-"apolitical" audience to that feeling of "Oh shit, I used to like this guy." That's the kind of content that got the ball rolling for me, anyway.
For me it was when Andywarski and other Skeptics™ started accepting Race Realism as an idea. At first, I thought they were dunking it but the moment they started eating each other and others not willing to comment on it, I left the community.
I actually love Internet Comment Etiquette, or Commentiquette if you will, because it makes fun of the impulse of trying to dunk on others in the comments of videos etc. At least, that's my take away. That, plus the chaos that gets sprinkled throughout those videos.
I mean... Eric isn't perfect by an means but there's a reason one of his golden comical moments is how I chose to represent him in this video... - Neil
I don't remember how or why I found him many years ago, but I definitely watched about 30 of his videos in a row when I found him. He's definitely one of the funniest guys on RUclips! *We love you Erik! Smooches! I bounced on _your_ boy's cock while making this comment. But I agree with your point: a lot of his humour comes from just how stupid and mean people can be in the comments. Occasionally he's sort of "mean" to the weird video-makers, but I'd say 9 times out of 10 he's just taking the piss out of someone who deserves to get piss taken out of them. For anyone interested: ruclips.net/user/commentiquettefeatured
@@TheLeftistCooks while it's not a huge detail in the grand scheme of things, Erik spells his name with a k. As respectfully as possible as I'm a huge fan of both channels
@@thomaspollack7451 none of us are perfect by any means. it's okay to take the compliment of "his golden comical moments" and carry them home to your parasocial relationship
This is 80% of what I talk about with my anarchist friend. How do we turn our dunking focus away from people and towards actions, even when capitalism wants us dunk on each other because it's profitable? Still working on the answer.
"Hate the sin, not the sinner" is kinda patronizing and won't have the rhetorical effect you want. People will still feel personally attacked because actions are how they express their identity.
@@gabbywitt873 The audience of the person getting dunked will feel personally attacked because they identify with their fandom. The audience of the person doing the dunking will feel personally attacked now, too, because their precious content creator betrayed them by doing a dunking which is bad and maybe deserves an unsub. Conservatives feel personally attacked when they literally point their own eyeballs at a trans person in public. I just don't think "hate the sin, not the sinner" really improves the rhetoric. Sometimes it comes off as preachy and patronizing or even cruel, like a priest or something talking down to a panhandler like, "I don't hate you for being homeless, I hate all the sin you do that made you homeless!"
One of my favorite quotes is from Huey P. Newton's statement to the Black Panthers on the Women's Liberation and the Gay Liberation Movements, at one part in which he says, "We should never say a whole movement is dishonest when in fact they are trying to be honest. They are just making honest mistakes. Friends are allowed to make mistakes. The enemy is not allowed to make mistakes because his whole existence is a mistake, and we suffer from it." And I think it's rather relevant here. Have to add too that I count myself among the many who consider this channel their favorite. Every video is just so damn good.
Thanks for this. I've been seriously disappointed by how many leftist creators I've found quite educational in the past have turned into primarily dunking channels. I tend to find "Dunking on the Chuds" to be lazy and pointless and excessively self-congratulatory. There is a HUGE difference between analysis and debunking, and simply dunking. The key is how _personalized_ the content is. Is it addressing the actual issues and beliefs and facts, or is it just personal insults? IMO dunking almost always distracts from any other points being made, and obfuscates the real problems and impacts those aforementioned beliefs and facts really have. It is just another form of Spectacularization, participating in the appropriation of theory and education and praxis and the neutering of it into mere mediated entertainment.
I agree. I think a great example of dunking while also being informative is someone like hmomberguy. His climate change video is the right amount of making fun of the opposition. The famous “sell their houses to who Ben? Fucking aquaman?!” Is legendary because it’s both a funny line and delivery and also expertly destroys his argument. When the video links poor arguments and then answers them and provides data and context it can be a useful and informative video. However, if it lacks the information then it’s useless. It just reinforced pre existing beliefs with little addition. It can be entertaining but is ultimately useless as a teaching tool.
@@MistaZULE Exactly. Dunking is typically nothing more than group dynamics and virtue-signaling; and is best left to the chuds. As hard as it is to accept, people like Shapiro and Peterson and Carlson are not actually the problem, they're merely symptoms of a far deeper and more pervasive problem that existed long before they did. We should be building our group identity on something more material and substantial and positive. We should not do so by adopting the tactics of the opposition group, because their tactics do not build healthy communities.
@@EphemeralTao Very well said and I agree especially in regards to the Shapiros and Petersons being symptoms of a deeper problem. These guys only have a following because people want to hear their voices. When that desire to hear their opinions dissipates, so do their voices. I am very scared that a lot of leftist content (at least the most popular stuff) just feels like the mirror of what the conservatives do. They insult and hurl unbased opinions at the opposition, then we will as well. It is simply reacting to their words and if we are constantly reacting they will keep their power in the situation. Like you said, we need material change and that can be started in our own communities. I'm worried a lot of people who are terminally online will believe that them dunking on a chud is their political action for the day, rather than actually doing political action.
@@MistaZULE Not naming names, but the whole "debate bro" community in general seems to be a solid example of this; and feeds this attitude where "dunking on the chuds" most completely substitutes for actual education and action for their fanbase. So much of the "Breadtube/Lefttube" community seems to have surrendered to the Spectacle, and allowed it to replace real education and action.
Carbon Offsets enable some pretty shitty behaviors. Better than nothing but also definitely at certain times worse than nothing when allowing horrible companies to pretend they’re carbon neutral while doubling down on bad practices
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"head empty, lovely dimples" guilty of having said "here's the thing," but in my defense I'm pretty sure it's only when I'm about to contradict a bunch of stuff I just said 😆 also I always give youtube ads a middle finger just in case the algorithm is watching for signs that I'm engaged
The humility and good faith is key. When someone came up to me and talk about ableism, my initial thought was "what the hell are you talking about?" but I remembered when i talk to people about mixed race issues and tried to take them up like i would like folks to take me up. Opened my mind to an entire field of things i had been ignorantly saying and doing that promoted ableist ideas. Saying things were "dumb", "stupid", talking about "being blind to issues" which equates eye sight with ignorance (which the blind are not too keen on), calling things "crazy" (a term used to institutionalize folks for being different). the rabbit hole is daunting. Even in my own legal field, the term "grandfather clause" has wildly racist origins. and it is hard to keep up because we are ignorant to many of them. I only bring up ableism, but my past is full of homophobic, transphobic, etc things. I love the thought of allowing people to grow, and helping them grow without judgement. "they should know better" is not always helpful. and i love this channel because it promotes that love, understanding and care.
this issue is something that really stumps me, a good 40% of day to day language Is probably legitimately hurtful to a group of people and while a lot of it gets phased out over time a large amount of it feels so integral to concepts that I can't think of alternatives, like asking I'd someone is blind/dumb, it's likely hurtful ty o people who have a similar issue but it's a very basic part of how we perceive things.
It's hard to keep up because you're taking it too seriously, and no I'm not gonna say you're doing newspeak or any other nonsense, but you seem to have a problem with etymology itself. You can say something is "crazy" while advocating for a society that takes mental health as seriously as bodily health (which are the same), and from a universal healthcare perspective, and most of the people with actual mental disorders are aware of this (sometimes is part of cognitive therapy, to learn how to deal with the inherent ambiguities of life). The line between legit cultural criticism and etymological virtue signaling is a hair thin one.
The thing that always bugs me about dunking is that it always has the punitive undertone. Sometimes it manifests under the guise of "Accountability", but the focus is always on punishment. I think this video gave me the words to express that sentiment.
I made a comment when Lindsey Ellis made her “Mask Off” video basically stating: “Why should people be expected to be converted to the left when the left treats its own like garbage?” I don’t have anything to say; I was just reminded of that comment I made while watching this.
The essence of the issue here is that people started mistaking their opinions for concrete identities. When you've locked yourself into certain ideologies, especially intense ones, then you're more than likely going to seek out the "destroying", "owning", or "dunking" of those who oppose that identity. Instead of it being an exchange of ideas, it's become survival of the fittest, when the "fittest" are locked into not evolving as a person. Thus, therein lies the issue.
Lack of being able to be vulnerable or make mistakes is probably our #1 cultural issue of our time considering how important the internet has become to socializing with others and areas in work life.
I just want to say that I deeply love the little in-group you and your friends are forming here. Obviously although I interact with some of you online from time to time, I don't actually know any of you - yet I still take a great deal of joy in watching you work together to build something beyond your channels - some of which are already my favorites anyway. I don't know how much intent is behind it, if you just call Cae up like "wanna be in my vid" and they're like "yeah," or if you're actually working to build a rump RUclips (lol I said rump)... but gee, it sure is lovely to see, whatever it is. Keep it up, you lovely, darling humans. 💜
THIS. IS. BEAUTIFUL! This is also something I've been wanting to speak about fera while. It's a bit antithetical to be platforming rightwingers constantly. Like, even if it's dunkin' onnem it's not helpful in the ways that positive content really could be, and it's also adding to the world's total vitriol. Much rather prefer the idea of Goofin' rather'n dunkin'. Everyone Goofs up, and no problem Goofin' on goofers in good fun. But dunkin' has always felt way too close to mockery for me. If you need to mock someone to feel better that's really saddening. It makes me want to cry ever since I was a bbPuck. Thank you for this amazing artwork! It felt like goofin' on goofers without being mean and I hope y'all can eventually both afford bread!
Another great video! I just love how from the beginning, you guys always came across as fundamentally kind, and the cooking always helped with the theme of taking care of each other. So I'm really glad there was food in this video :)
Nitpick: I'm in an audition-only choir, and when one of our singers has a birthday it is the best way to experience the Happy Birthday song. Four part harmony, 80 singers. *chef's kiss. :)
Honestly, your videos have brought a level of empathy when I'm in discussion with someone. This way of seeing the beauty in life could possibly bring about a more beautiful world. Keep up the brilliant work :)
I live for wordy, complex, crunchy contextual content (with or without unintentional alliteration), so yeah, you guys are in the tip top of my creator faves. Once again, you didn’t disappoint and I am positively quivering with delight about your new project/channel, can’t wait! But pleeeeeeaase tell me where I can find a stand alone recording of the song you did at the end and a transcript of the lyrics! That was fire, loved it 🖤❤️ Also: that’s some peak Caelan on display in this vid, very nice!
Honestly, yeah, I got to this post and realised the song is still going in my head! I swear every tune they do is an earworm, which takes some real skill and idk magic?! Still love it!
Thank you! I have been trying to express exactly this for years now. I truly appreciate your well thought out inspection of the current state of public discourse. I have several people close to me who create in various forms, and none of them are super public and I already worry about what might happen if they are successful, god forbid "go viral". We are all fallible, we have all publicly done or said something we disagree with now, and a culture in which a mistake can literally bring you a mailbox full of death threats is not where I want myself or the people I care about to live. There is a whole lot more to say and it's all jumbled up and I'm already rambling, so please just know that I am grateful for you, and this video, and I hope life allows you to continue creating and sharing things that are important to you and society.
I feel like finding this channel now makes me part of something big. I haven’t felt this way about video essays since I discovered contrapoints years ago
I adore the idea for the new channel--I wouldn't have discovered so many wonderful creators without the Eyeball Zone, and am delighted to see someone create something dedicated to that concept.
I only found your channel recently, and it's already made me think more deeply about several things I haven't confronted before, and you did it in a really empathetic and thorough way that I really appreciate.
Would youtube even exist without capitalism? Hosting videos is incredibly expensive/resource heavy, and something no other site has really been able to compete with (at least when it comes to long form videos). RUclips has its monopoly because it is quite profitable for google, an american business, centralised under american imperialist capitalism. We would be more likely (Ada and I recon) to have small local/interest-based sites, maybe more like Peertube, which is a decentralised open-source alternative to youtube. There would be smaller communities, less overlap, so maybe somewhat less of this kind of dunking would happen automatically (though I'm sure each community would have their own in-fighting, because who doesn't!). There might be more significant limitations on how many videos, how much data, you can upload or keep. And of course video hosting is never limited to creative endeavours; most videos are apparently reviews, vlogs and how-to vids. You need space for literally millions of cat videos (and dunk videos as in "Big Ass; Apple Bottom; round booty" type of dunk videos). I don't think any video essayist or artist has anywhere near as many subscribers as the biggest gaming channels either. So when imagining what an anti-capitalist youtube might look like, I think its important to consider that the types of videos we make are not terribly important to the function or survival of video hosting platforms. We're just little guys. 😊 How would videos gain traction without the algorithm? It used to be based on viewcount, now its more view duration and whatever the algorithm recons keeps people on the site longest. With small decentralised video platforms popularity might be more like having a local band; you'd have to rely on word of mouth and editorial choice. There would be no worldwide fame and glory in it, it would be more like a hobby for the most part. I don't necessarily mind that idea; I would be okay with having a smaller audience if I didn't have to worry about money or anything 😁
This is part of why twitter and other social media sites REALLY need a vibe check option, because so often (at least in my experience) dunking is rooted in frustration. And a lot of the time I feel that frustration when I saw something I wish I hadn't. And there's times when the person is truly a jerk, but there's also times when the person is just ill-informed and have more to learn. I wish it was more based in education and providing alternatives as opposed to like, causing feuds for clout. (but some people DO educate as they dunk) (and its always cool to punch up)
im pretty sure that this is a compliment so: i actually found myself missing a lot of things in the video because i was thinking about things ive done, thought, etc, and how it relates to your point. i guess ill have to watch this video again sometime to catch everything. darn!
I feel like Zoe Bee's video on PU child rearing advice probably doesn't count as a dunk (or at least is a version of dunking I'm okay with). But I understand the logic. Excellent work y'all. Big love from the US.
It is very well possible that the point of the video flew over my head… Aren’t the ideas held or at least advertised by specific people worth dunking on? I see a lot of dunking on people for petty reasons within leftist spaces or of course done by right wingers but usually leftist videos about right wingers tend to engage with what a person stands for and use personal attacks in a comedic way. We‘re humans after all and humans are funny. It’s unproductive to define ourselves only or even mostly by what we are against so I appreciate your efforts to build a community, on- and offline that is about living by anticapitalist and kind values. I just don’t see how it is mutually exclusive with dunking on the fasc.
Also kinda misses the point where those who dunk unopposed will tend to gain the greatest traction and dominate a platform ala YT circa the 20teens. Having a community identity outside of attacking others is good. But you still need to attack others when they are actively derailing this whole "society" thing. Also also, empathy is great for those who are open to it. Some people primarily speak the language of aggression and you need to be able to speak to them in their own language before you'll stand a chance of getting them to adopt a new one.
17:02 I'm not sure if the video ever out and out said dunking as a whole is bad-and the above timestamp describes the necessity of "battling against misinformation, snake oil salesman, dog whistles and brain-washing". But can't that be done without dunking-without always going to dunking? And I feel the issue is with the mentality/culture of dunking, of "opportunistic dunking", that has risen out of the heavy reliance on the tactic; it becoming a behavior so rewarded that it runs amok, regardless of whether it serves the original purpose towards which the tactic was implemented. And while its easy to think "we'll just stop abusing it, only doing it when its really the right thing to do", its not like the people who have been abusing it didn't think they were always "in the right" in the first place. I feel like, if we can acknowledge how a behavior that we do has grown to be damaging, or ineffective and stagnating, the only honest answer is to look at it at a whole, at the impulse, at every time that it could be done, and say "can i do something else? something better?"
@@TheLadyFl3x Considering that Gamergate pretty much set the tone at first I agree that it’s worth looking at the way discourse is done and whether or not the way „dunking“ happens is actually helpful. Many of us speak in very online language, rely a bit too much on a streamer‘s community for validation, try to get the upper hand over the right (and adjacent) by humiliating them in public exclusively… I have certainly done all of these things and as much as all that is attractive for gamer me who grew up on South Park there is an exclusive, insulating edge to it. It hurts to say but most people are normies. And we can save them! Thanks for replying! It is interesting to reflect on incentives when it comes to the way online discourse is done and that is one point of the video I missed.
What I've learned from being in a Communist Party is that it's easier to form community with other leftists who might come from different branches, even when we're dunking on them amongst ourselves. If your only thing is dunking and exposing yourself to negativity all the time, it hurts yourself as well. Building community and doing good helps your cause more.
I laughed immediately at the christmas cracker joke, and I don't know if that means I've bled out all my irony poisoning or that I've been so saturated by irony poisoning that I don't even need to roll my eyes first anymore.
Positive and brilliant vid essay! So much so that I am fantasizing it's message seeped into Ben and JPs hearts and they decided to make cooking videos and makeup tutorials instead of yelling!!
I feel like the propensity for "dunking" and "cancellation" on the Left has to do with isolation from institutional power - it's an illusion of power. Because the Right is functionally a "safe space" from the threat of dunking or cancellation (indeed, it's a refuge for many "cancelees") dunking feels increasingly impotent, with the result that the power of cancellation has increasingly been turned on itself, often in more abstract terms. It's great to see someone articulate a different model of group identity creation, that can perhaps wean people off their addiction to fruitlessly "owning" the Right.
I just read David Bohm's "On Wholeness," where he was talking about dialogue in opposition to what is now called dunking. A dunk is intended to garner attention and end conversation. Dunks are anti-intellectual. Dialogue is a back and forth exchange of ideas and understanding intended to benefit all involved.
So, I am autistic, and I know how easy it is to be swayed by fringe ideas. I seriously think we're more at risks than some others. Now, I am conscious of this issue, but my solution was to follow skeptics content, so... (It's not as bad, because I really don't like assholes, but I have still a lot of things to deconstruct no doubt) But yeah, I still try to keep that in mind when I interact with others. I may be too naive, and I am still trying to find the good distance, between doubting everyone and trusting everyone.
Dropping a sub to both channels and very much curious to see what happens on the other channel. This is the first video of yours I've watched (I have entirely too many things in my watch later) and I'm very happy this was the one. Many nods, many mmhmms, and many reminders of values I am (trying very hard and inevitably failing consistently) committed to. I really liked the point about emotional vulnerability. It's a very difficult thing to do and I find myself alternating between letting go and white-knuckling (then getting upset that I white-knuckled again). In a world designed to make you angry, in one that likes to pick a marginalization to single out every 6 months or so, it's difficult to let yourself feel or do more than play offensive defense but it is radical and it is world building. Thank you both (and whoever may have helped behind the scenes) for putting this together. This was well done and I'm not afraid to admit that I'm crying right now either. Thank you, dears.
34:30 oh lordt. Some More News just did a 3 HOUR LONG video about Jordan Peterson. I'm glad I watched it, but please, no more! (Edit: another minute and y'all mention the very video! Whoops! So... you know, then. :P) I like the essays and format of this channel! I just replaced my expired card on Patreon so my little bit of donation can do its teeny tiny bit to help again.
Another great video that I'll have to watch again to take it all in - but I had to smile at this sort-of critique of dunking, since several members of your RUclips collective produce an extremely funny podcast devoted to dunking on the dead. And I will happily affirm the value of your critique AND the value of dunking on the dead. The RUclips channels for all of you are quickly becoming my favorites. I look forward to F the Algorithm.
It's been a while since I've watched a video where about halfway through I was like, "I need to support the shit out of this channel". I sincerely love so much about this. The "We Were All Chuds" section in particular was amazing because yeah, we were. I grew up in an uber-conservative house and the transition from that is hard. It's an everyday questioning of my own biases and being aware of why I might feel a certain way about this or that.
I initially read the title as “you’re wrong about drinking” and I was like oh no…now I’m going to have to stop drinking and then I was like what does B S have to do with this??? Lol
I mean you're probably wrong about drinking, too! You need two liters of water per day on average, but you also need more if you consume salt or sugar or caffeine or alcohol (and drinking stuff that contains those four is not good and sports drinks WILL dehydrate you like coffee does). Also if you have headaches often dehydration is a good suspect. But also don't drink TOO much because that will make you feel dehydrated, too...
Love the new name of this channel, The Leftist Cooks (btw, lol at the end of the vid when the new name was announced by the narrator and Neil went, "What?! "), and I'm so excited for the new channel featuring a supportive community of smaller creators! 😍🥰👍❤️💕
As a fellow person who is both incompetent at sports and generally unphysically coordinated, I highly enjoyed watching Neil absolutely suck at basketball.
Haha I just watched your heartfelt rant about sports in the new GC vid, right before this one. So this comment makes total sense. (It was excellent, btw. As always.)
Okay, finally got to start this one and have some thoughts. 1.) I think Neil's new haircut is very cute, I did not expect to like it as much as the long hair but they are totally rocking it beyond even my expectations and those were already high ^-^. 2.) This baseketball scene about describing a noncapitalist RUclips feels like a 90's educational TV spot in the best of ways from the music, to the lighting, and even the camera work. I love it, you 2 continue to fucking kill it and I cannot wait to see more.
Idk if I've ever commented on any of your videos yet, but I've watched almost all of them and have subscribed. I'm about to watch this one and figured I might as well say: You're doing great and I love to watch video essays from you! "Who even watches video essays?" ....me! I do!
Oh sound. Thanks mate. You also do good videos very much. If you ever feel like it we'd love to have you read a quote or do a guest spot in your inimitable voice
Wow! Another great video! These are always a huge highlight for me. The empathy and nuance y’all put into your videos is amazing. Keep up the great work!
Haven’t finished vid yet but I hope you address the comfort content aspect of it. All thing-bad content disappearing with the snap of an infinity glove would disintegrate some of my favourite comfort content
It seems like the disadvantage to humans being more collective is that to work together you have to be able to identify as together in some way. It’s no wonder GB and US are worse at collectivising, as there are an infinite number of ways to do so. We’re individualist and in a attempt to salvage a collective identity we’ve become fragmented. I don’t think that it’s the fault of any culture of system per-say, just (through individualism) the fact that we never agreed to live in that culture/system. Countries with richer traditions and stronger social norms will easily be able to encourage more communication socially because ‘normal’ experience is shared. It just all feels like an emotional issue over an intellectual one. Beyond empathy and acceptance, we need a sense of kinship with those around us. If we can’t all identify based on race, creed, culture, politics etc. then the attempt has to be to find a level lower than that to sit on. We have to be more than our intersectionality for it to even be able to be part of the conversation.
The problem with going viral by dunking someone, is that your best way to keep those viewers is to keep dunking. It seems like an algorithmic addiction, in a way.
Honestly, the solipsistic soccer game analogy is great; whenever there’s a spat between content creators, whoever “wins” depends on what audience you’re in.
I'm liking the trend toward more intentional emotional disclosure and vulnerability from leftist creators along the lines of, "I actually find the ideas of this very problematic person pretty appealing even though I know they're wrong. Let's explore why that might be the case and how we might redirect some of those impulses in a healthier direction." e.g. "We're in Hell's" recent pickup artist video
I really liked the sponsorship segment. Was really nice to have a sponsorship that is an actually discussion of the sponsor's benefits while acknowledging it's flaws. Much more interesting and imo genuine than the typical sponsorship.
Okay, finally finished, great video. The thing that I both loved and was the most crazy to me was the portion about this idea of a distributed, collective good that becomes aware of it's limited perspective and owns up to it and diffuses the expertise and the ongoing discussion of benevolent progress amidst it's number, not only because it's a really fascinating idea but it's one I've been toying with for years now as a way to write a distinct section of worldbuilding in my TTRPG writing, and it's nuts to hear someone else get to the same place as I was on their own. I felt kind of crazy talking about the idea of the good being one that is extremely vulnerable and naked about it's own faults and that that nakedness about its emotional, spiritual, intellectual, and physical capabilities was part of what made them good, what helped them help others, what helped them grow and mature as an individual and as part of a great community when paired with an urge to grow for the better. But here it is, alive in well in others, and it's super exciting to see. I might have to finish putting it together and publish sometime, before the rest of the world passes it by XD. Continue to knock these out of the park you 2, the work is great and continues to stun. Also make sure you get some sleep.
I wanna do a cover of the song at the end it's a banger.Great video as always,as soon as i can i'll contribute to the channel. My dream is to one day be in Ireland (from there but live in U.K) and somehow end up in a big jam with TLC ,Francis Higgins and Blindboy...
Leave Erik Alone! Jk he can take it. Great video! I’ve recently fallen in love with y’all’s content. Gonna keep doing my small part of spreading them around. And post.
Can I ask about the closing song? 'Cause it's a banger, but I can't find out *anything* about it: I don't even know for sure whether it's original to the video or not.
Great video, friends. It's something I'm trying reeealllly hard to be cognizant of in my tweeting life, like "What am I trying to accomplish with this QRT or this screenshot dunk? Am I trying to dominate someone or am I trying to help others?". It's a daily battle to be just a little better, but it's important work
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Suddenly self conscious of how much I mighy say "here's the thing"
Thanks for the recommendation 👍👏 my husband and I love your channel❤️
It doesn't count if you're someone who actually knows what the thing is.
I think of the way you say the phrase as similar to Marcel DuChamp's "Fountain" a fave thought-based art pieces that turns the mundane/icky into fine art, or at least something genuinely thoughtful :)
Also, when you discussed Kayfabe, I think most of the youtubers I like to watch most have snarky or catchy things they say, but they and their audience are aware we all put up facades. Being able to admit "I don't know" is the antithesis (antidote?) to a whole pile of "here's the things" without any admission of ignorance.
Preesh this recommend. Now I can procrastinate even more by watching these videos!
But what if the thing is actually here?
There is a paper somewhere on Indigenous Australians taking an IQ test and being pissed that they were not working collectively. If you know who to ask, who is good at what, it's good practice to work together. It's foolish to try and do something badly alone when someone you know is good at it and can teach you as you do it together!
- fascinating! And righteous.
Implies they didn't look at themselves as individuals, like I expect most Westerners do.
...I remember reading that a group of Indigenous people, when introduced to basketball, basically made sure the score was even at the end of the game.
You know, *because competition can cause discord.* 🤔
@@grmpEqweer indigenous people created a lot of sports where there were clear winners. where did you read this?
@@KTSamurai1
... I'll try to find it.
@@KTSamurai1 -I mean indigenous people aren’t a monolith, and the term “indigenous” doesn’t even make them Native Americans, necessarily. But yeah, he should have cited a source
I actually really like when a typically non-politically-focused youtuber like Erik from ICE takes the chance of dunking on a Sargon of Akkad, because it might open members of their typically-"apolitical" audience to that feeling of "Oh shit, I used to like this guy." That's the kind of content that got the ball rolling for me, anyway.
For me it was when Andywarski and other Skeptics™ started accepting Race Realism as an idea. At first, I thought they were dunking it but the moment they started eating each other and others not willing to comment on it, I left the community.
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I love Salvia Erik, and now I will always think of him as "Erik from ICE" 😆 🤣 😂 😹
@@snoozley853 "apolitical" needs to be switched with "comfortable"
I loved it when 12tone explained why Ben Shapiro was completely full of shit about music
I love this arc of unapologetic empathy. It’s so unique to find, and so important to build in everyone, in every interaction.
Agreed, Squid Tips!
Confess! You just wanted to type Squid Tips!
Benign supply of empathy here.
_Empathy growing_
It’s a wonderful thing seeing my favourite creators bumping into one other’s shoulders
I actually love Internet Comment Etiquette, or Commentiquette if you will, because it makes fun of the impulse of trying to dunk on others in the comments of videos etc. At least, that's my take away. That, plus the chaos that gets sprinkled throughout those videos.
I mean... Eric isn't perfect by an means but there's a reason one of his golden comical moments is how I chose to represent him in this video... - Neil
I don't remember how or why I found him many years ago, but I definitely watched about 30 of his videos in a row when I found him. He's definitely one of the funniest guys on RUclips! *We love you Erik! Smooches! I bounced on _your_ boy's cock while making this comment.
But I agree with your point: a lot of his humour comes from just how stupid and mean people can be in the comments. Occasionally he's sort of "mean" to the weird video-makers, but I'd say 9 times out of 10 he's just taking the piss out of someone who deserves to get piss taken out of them.
For anyone interested: ruclips.net/user/commentiquettefeatured
@@TheLeftistCooks while it's not a huge detail in the grand scheme of things, Erik spells his name with a k. As respectfully as possible as I'm a huge fan of both channels
@@TheLeftistCooks isn't perfect?! Well who is? What do you actually mean by that?
@@thomaspollack7451 none of us are perfect by any means. it's okay to take the compliment of "his golden comical moments" and carry them home to your parasocial relationship
This is 80% of what I talk about with my anarchist friend. How do we turn our dunking focus away from people and towards actions, even when capitalism wants us dunk on each other because it's profitable? Still working on the answer.
Big samesies, friend.
"Hate the sin, not the sinner" is kinda patronizing and won't have the rhetorical effect you want. People will still feel personally attacked because actions are how they express their identity.
@@nathanpetrich7309 its less about how the criticized feels and more about how it reads to and serves the public at large, no?
@@gabbywitt873 The audience of the person getting dunked will feel personally attacked because they identify with their fandom. The audience of the person doing the dunking will feel personally attacked now, too, because their precious content creator betrayed them by doing a dunking which is bad and maybe deserves an unsub. Conservatives feel personally attacked when they literally point their own eyeballs at a trans person in public.
I just don't think "hate the sin, not the sinner" really improves the rhetoric. Sometimes it comes off as preachy and patronizing or even cruel, like a priest or something talking down to a panhandler like, "I don't hate you for being homeless, I hate all the sin you do that made you homeless!"
Become non-individualistic. Attempt non-individual solutions, changes and "dunkings or cancellations"... stuff like that
One of my favorite quotes is from Huey P. Newton's statement to the Black Panthers on the Women's Liberation and the Gay Liberation Movements, at one part in which he says, "We should never say a whole movement is dishonest when in fact they are trying to be honest. They are just making honest mistakes. Friends are allowed to make mistakes. The enemy is not allowed to make mistakes because his whole existence is a mistake, and we suffer from it." And I think it's rather relevant here.
Have to add too that I count myself among the many who consider this channel their favorite. Every video is just so damn good.
Thanks for this. I've been seriously disappointed by how many leftist creators I've found quite educational in the past have turned into primarily dunking channels. I tend to find "Dunking on the Chuds" to be lazy and pointless and excessively self-congratulatory. There is a HUGE difference between analysis and debunking, and simply dunking. The key is how _personalized_ the content is. Is it addressing the actual issues and beliefs and facts, or is it just personal insults? IMO dunking almost always distracts from any other points being made, and obfuscates the real problems and impacts those aforementioned beliefs and facts really have.
It is just another form of Spectacularization, participating in the appropriation of theory and education and praxis and the neutering of it into mere mediated entertainment.
I agree. I think a great example of dunking while also being informative is someone like hmomberguy. His climate change video is the right amount of making fun of the opposition. The famous “sell their houses to who Ben? Fucking aquaman?!” Is legendary because it’s both a funny line and delivery and also expertly destroys his argument.
When the video links poor arguments and then answers them and provides data and context it can be a useful and informative video. However, if it lacks the information then it’s useless. It just reinforced pre existing beliefs with little addition. It can be entertaining but is ultimately useless as a teaching tool.
Try Hakim’s videos
@@MistaZULE Exactly. Dunking is typically nothing more than group dynamics and virtue-signaling; and is best left to the chuds. As hard as it is to accept, people like Shapiro and Peterson and Carlson are not actually the problem, they're merely symptoms of a far deeper and more pervasive problem that existed long before they did.
We should be building our group identity on something more material and substantial and positive. We should not do so by adopting the tactics of the opposition group, because their tactics do not build healthy communities.
@@EphemeralTao Very well said and I agree especially in regards to the Shapiros and Petersons being symptoms of a deeper problem. These guys only have a following because people want to hear their voices. When that desire to hear their opinions dissipates, so do their voices.
I am very scared that a lot of leftist content (at least the most popular stuff) just feels like the mirror of what the conservatives do. They insult and hurl unbased opinions at the opposition, then we will as well. It is simply reacting to their words and if we are constantly reacting they will keep their power in the situation.
Like you said, we need material change and that can be started in our own communities. I'm worried a lot of people who are terminally online will believe that them dunking on a chud is their political action for the day, rather than actually doing political action.
@@MistaZULE Not naming names, but the whole "debate bro" community in general seems to be a solid example of this; and feeds this attitude where "dunking on the chuds" most completely substitutes for actual education and action for their fanbase.
So much of the "Breadtube/Lefttube" community seems to have surrendered to the Spectacle, and allowed it to replace real education and action.
Carbon Offsets enable some pretty shitty behaviors. Better than nothing but also definitely at certain times worse than nothing when allowing horrible companies to pretend they’re carbon neutral while doubling down on bad practices
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"head empty, lovely dimples"
guilty of having said "here's the thing," but in my defense I'm pretty sure it's only when I'm about to contradict a bunch of stuff I just said 😆
also I always give youtube ads a middle finger just in case the algorithm is watching for signs that I'm engaged
I'm pretty sure we've said it too, tbh.
- Neil
I can’t wait to have my mind changed on the renowned coffee-and-donut-based fast food chain Dunking Donuts
Twink isn't a slur, twink is a honorary title.
I like this comment, because I say so. 👍
The humility and good faith is key. When someone came up to me and talk about ableism, my initial thought was "what the hell are you talking about?" but I remembered when i talk to people about mixed race issues and tried to take them up like i would like folks to take me up. Opened my mind to an entire field of things i had been ignorantly saying and doing that promoted ableist ideas. Saying things were "dumb", "stupid", talking about "being blind to issues" which equates eye sight with ignorance (which the blind are not too keen on), calling things "crazy" (a term used to institutionalize folks for being different). the rabbit hole is daunting. Even in my own legal field, the term "grandfather clause" has wildly racist origins.
and it is hard to keep up because we are ignorant to many of them. I only bring up ableism, but my past is full of homophobic, transphobic, etc things.
I love the thought of allowing people to grow, and helping them grow without judgement. "they should know better" is not always helpful.
and i love this channel because it promotes that love, understanding and care.
this issue is something that really stumps me, a good 40% of day to day language Is probably legitimately hurtful to a group of people and while a lot of it gets phased out over time a large amount of it feels so integral to concepts that I can't think of alternatives, like asking I'd someone is blind/dumb, it's likely hurtful ty o people who have a similar issue but it's a very basic part of how we perceive things.
Nob Ogasawara stated somewhere how he tried to avoid all this in his translations and that stayed with me.
It's hard to keep up because you're taking it too seriously, and no I'm not gonna say you're doing newspeak or any other nonsense, but you seem to have a problem with etymology itself.
You can say something is "crazy" while advocating for a society that takes mental health as seriously as bodily health (which are the same), and from a universal healthcare perspective, and most of the people with actual mental disorders are aware of this (sometimes is part of cognitive therapy, to learn how to deal with the inherent ambiguities of life).
The line between legit cultural criticism and etymological virtue signaling is a hair thin one.
The thing that always bugs me about dunking is that it always has the punitive undertone. Sometimes it manifests under the guise of "Accountability", but the focus is always on punishment.
I think this video gave me the words to express that sentiment.
"Rather than sitting here standing like a sitting duck" really got me, you have a magical way with words thanks for doing what you do (:
I fully appreciated that, too, and had to replay it a couple times! @8:07
I made a comment when Lindsey Ellis made her “Mask Off” video basically stating:
“Why should people be expected to be converted to the left when the left treats its own like garbage?” I don’t have anything to say; I was just reminded of that comment I made while watching this.
Same.
The essence of the issue here is that people started mistaking their opinions for concrete identities. When you've locked yourself into certain ideologies, especially intense ones, then you're more than likely going to seek out the "destroying", "owning", or "dunking" of those who oppose that identity. Instead of it being an exchange of ideas, it's become survival of the fittest, when the "fittest" are locked into not evolving as a person. Thus, therein lies the issue.
Lack of being able to be vulnerable or make mistakes is probably our #1 cultural issue of our time considering how important the internet has become to socializing with others and areas in work life.
I just want to say that I deeply love the little in-group you and your friends are forming here. Obviously although I interact with some of you online from time to time, I don't actually know any of you - yet I still take a great deal of joy in watching you work together to build something beyond your channels - some of which are already my favorites anyway. I don't know how much intent is behind it, if you just call Cae up like "wanna be in my vid" and they're like "yeah," or if you're actually working to build a rump RUclips (lol I said rump)... but gee, it sure is lovely to see, whatever it is.
Keep it up, you lovely, darling humans. 💜
AH! I made it to the end! You ARE doing it on purpose!! 💜💜💜
Yeah it's great seeing them all team up! Love their work!
THIS. IS. BEAUTIFUL!
This is also something I've been wanting to speak about fera while. It's a bit antithetical to be platforming rightwingers constantly. Like, even if it's dunkin' onnem it's not helpful in the ways that positive content really could be, and it's also adding to the world's total vitriol.
Much rather prefer the idea of Goofin' rather'n dunkin'. Everyone Goofs up, and no problem Goofin' on goofers in good fun.
But dunkin' has always felt way too close to mockery for me. If you need to mock someone to feel better that's really saddening. It makes me want to cry ever since I was a bbPuck.
Thank you for this amazing artwork! It felt like goofin' on goofers without being mean and I hope y'all can eventually both afford bread!
3:55
that quote is itself a statement about people and thus selfdefeating
Another great video! I just love how from the beginning, you guys always came across as fundamentally kind, and the cooking always helped with the theme of taking care of each other. So I'm really glad there was food in this video :)
Nitpick: I'm in an audition-only choir, and when one of our singers has a birthday it is the best way to experience the Happy Birthday song. Four part harmony, 80 singers. *chef's kiss. :)
Honestly, your videos have brought a level of empathy when I'm in discussion with someone. This way of seeing the beauty in life could possibly bring about a more beautiful world. Keep up the brilliant work :)
the Algorithm is like a Child with a toy, it throws it away and picks up another without a second thought.
"we should be positively phobic to having all of the answers"
I love this.
I would say you succeed in being both humane and funny. I also very much like your hair in this video
Awww. I love knowing all those things.
- Neil
I agree! Humane, funny, and fab hair! ❤️💕
Your haircut looks nice Neil.
Yayyy!
@@TheLeftistCooks
As an advocate of bob haircuts, I also approve.
_be like us, be like us._
I live for wordy, complex, crunchy contextual content (with or without unintentional alliteration), so yeah, you guys are in the tip top of my creator faves. Once again, you didn’t disappoint and I am positively quivering with delight about your new project/channel, can’t wait!
But pleeeeeeaase tell me where I can find a stand alone recording of the song you did at the end and a transcript of the lyrics! That was fire, loved it 🖤❤️
Also: that’s some peak Caelan on display in this vid, very nice!
Second all of this, need the song!
Honestly, yeah, I got to this post and realised the song is still going in my head! I swear every tune they do is an earworm, which takes some real skill and idk magic?! Still love it!
might be on patreon, havne't checked in a few days
Thank you! I have been trying to express exactly this for years now. I truly appreciate your well thought out inspection of the current state of public discourse. I have several people close to me who create in various forms, and none of them are super public and I already worry about what might happen if they are successful, god forbid "go viral". We are all fallible, we have all publicly done or said something we disagree with now, and a culture in which a mistake can literally bring you a mailbox full of death threats is not where I want myself or the people I care about to live. There is a whole lot more to say and it's all jumbled up and I'm already rambling, so please just know that I am grateful for you, and this video, and I hope life allows you to continue creating and sharing things that are important to you and society.
Nice video :) subscribed
I feel like finding this channel now makes me part of something big. I haven’t felt this way about video essays since I discovered contrapoints years ago
Check out Renegade Cut. I'm sure you'll love him
@@sladehunteri put him in the downer leftist box with Second Thought. Too verbose
@@rickkroll downer hox?
I adore the idea for the new channel--I wouldn't have discovered so many wonderful creators without the Eyeball Zone, and am delighted to see someone create something dedicated to that concept.
The eyeball zone is what brought me here, and This is straight up my favourite channel!
@@fishlordusername891 same.
I only found your channel recently, and it's already made me think more deeply about several things I haven't confronted before, and you did it in a really empathetic and thorough way that I really appreciate.
My favorite fellow nonbinary leftist from Ireland! Yay! ❤️❤️❤️
Would youtube even exist without capitalism? Hosting videos is incredibly expensive/resource heavy, and something no other site has really been able to compete with (at least when it comes to long form videos). RUclips has its monopoly because it is quite profitable for google, an american business, centralised under american imperialist capitalism. We would be more likely (Ada and I recon) to have small local/interest-based sites, maybe more like Peertube, which is a decentralised open-source alternative to youtube. There would be smaller communities, less overlap, so maybe somewhat less of this kind of dunking would happen automatically (though I'm sure each community would have their own in-fighting, because who doesn't!).
There might be more significant limitations on how many videos, how much data, you can upload or keep. And of course video hosting is never limited to creative endeavours; most videos are apparently reviews, vlogs and how-to vids. You need space for literally millions of cat videos (and dunk videos as in "Big Ass; Apple Bottom; round booty" type of dunk videos). I don't think any video essayist or artist has anywhere near as many subscribers as the biggest gaming channels either. So when imagining what an anti-capitalist youtube might look like, I think its important to consider that the types of videos we make are not terribly important to the function or survival of video hosting platforms. We're just little guys. 😊
How would videos gain traction without the algorithm? It used to be based on viewcount, now its more view duration and whatever the algorithm recons keeps people on the site longest. With small decentralised video platforms popularity might be more like having a local band; you'd have to rely on word of mouth and editorial choice. There would be no worldwide fame and glory in it, it would be more like a hobby for the most part. I don't necessarily mind that idea; I would be okay with having a smaller audience if I didn't have to worry about money or anything 😁
RUclips isn't profitable
This is part of why twitter and other social media sites REALLY need a vibe check option, because so often (at least in my experience) dunking is rooted in frustration. And a lot of the time I feel that frustration when I saw something I wish I hadn't.
And there's times when the person is truly a jerk, but there's also times when the person is just ill-informed and have more to learn. I wish it was more based in education and providing alternatives as opposed to like, causing feuds for clout. (but some people DO educate as they dunk) (and its always cool to punch up)
"you don't shame people into obscurity, you shame them into infamy" whoaaaaa thats good!!!
im pretty sure that this is a compliment so: i actually found myself missing a lot of things in the video because i was thinking about things ive done, thought, etc, and how it relates to your point. i guess ill have to watch this video again sometime to catch everything. darn!
"(...) whether you're more susceptible to the Apple and or the Disney+ ad"
Cue the HBOMax and
Now that's what I call comedic synergy!
I feel like Zoe Bee's video on PU child rearing advice probably doesn't count as a dunk (or at least is a version of dunking I'm okay with). But I understand the logic.
Excellent work y'all. Big love from the US.
I edited that video! I love it! - Neil
@@TheLeftistCooks that's awesome! And btw, F the algorithm is a brilliant idea.
It is very well possible that the point of the video flew over my head…
Aren’t the ideas held or at least advertised by specific people worth dunking on? I see a lot of dunking on people for petty reasons within leftist spaces or of course done by right wingers but usually leftist videos about right wingers tend to engage with what a person stands for and use personal attacks in a comedic way. We‘re humans after all and humans are funny.
It’s unproductive to define ourselves only or even mostly by what we are against so I appreciate your efforts to build a community, on- and offline that is about living by anticapitalist and kind values. I just don’t see how it is mutually exclusive with dunking on the fasc.
Also kinda misses the point where those who dunk unopposed will tend to gain the greatest traction and dominate a platform ala YT circa the 20teens.
Having a community identity outside of attacking others is good. But you still need to attack others when they are actively derailing this whole "society" thing.
Also also, empathy is great for those who are open to it. Some people primarily speak the language of aggression and you need to be able to speak to them in their own language before you'll stand a chance of getting them to adopt a new one.
17:02
I'm not sure if the video ever out and out said dunking as a whole is bad-and the above timestamp describes the necessity of "battling against misinformation, snake oil salesman, dog whistles and brain-washing". But can't that be done without dunking-without always going to dunking? And I feel the issue is with the mentality/culture of dunking, of "opportunistic dunking", that has risen out of the heavy reliance on the tactic; it becoming a behavior so rewarded that it runs amok, regardless of whether it serves the original purpose towards which the tactic was implemented. And while its easy to think "we'll just stop abusing it, only doing it when its really the right thing to do", its not like the people who have been abusing it didn't think they were always "in the right" in the first place.
I feel like, if we can acknowledge how a behavior that we do has grown to be damaging, or ineffective and stagnating, the only honest answer is to look at it at a whole, at the impulse, at every time that it could be done, and say "can i do something else? something better?"
@@TheLadyFl3x Considering that Gamergate pretty much set the tone at first I agree that it’s worth looking at the way discourse is done and whether or not the way „dunking“ happens is actually helpful.
Many of us speak in very online language, rely a bit too much on a streamer‘s community for validation, try to get the upper hand over the right (and adjacent) by humiliating them in public exclusively… I have certainly done all of these things and as much as all that is attractive for gamer me who grew up on South Park there is an exclusive, insulating edge to it.
It hurts to say but most people are normies.
And we can save them!
Thanks for replying! It is interesting to reflect on incentives when it comes to the way online discourse is done and that is one point of the video I missed.
What I've learned from being in a Communist Party is that it's easier to form community with other leftists who might come from different branches, even when we're dunking on them amongst ourselves. If your only thing is dunking and exposing yourself to negativity all the time, it hurts yourself as well. Building community and doing good helps your cause more.
I laughed immediately at the christmas cracker joke, and I don't know if that means I've bled out all my irony poisoning or that I've been so saturated by irony poisoning that I don't even need to roll my eyes first anymore.
it means ur fun
Positive and brilliant vid essay! So much so that I am fantasizing it's message seeped into Ben and JPs hearts and they decided to make cooking videos and makeup tutorials instead of yelling!!
this video has voiced some feelings and thoughts ive had for a while!!! we can't build community without empathy
This is so much more than I could have hoped for on a topic about dunking. Sincerely, thank you so much for these last 2 videos especially 💜
I feel like the propensity for "dunking" and "cancellation" on the Left has to do with isolation from institutional power - it's an illusion of power. Because the Right is functionally a "safe space" from the threat of dunking or cancellation (indeed, it's a refuge for many "cancelees") dunking feels increasingly impotent, with the result that the power of cancellation has increasingly been turned on itself, often in more abstract terms. It's great to see someone articulate a different model of group identity creation, that can perhaps wean people off their addiction to fruitlessly "owning" the Right.
I just read David Bohm's "On Wholeness," where he was talking about dialogue in opposition to what is now called dunking. A dunk is intended to garner attention and end conversation. Dunks are anti-intellectual. Dialogue is a back and forth exchange of ideas and understanding intended to benefit all involved.
“Jordan fucking P******n” is such a good running joke
So, I am autistic, and I know how easy it is to be swayed by fringe ideas. I seriously think we're more at risks than some others.
Now, I am conscious of this issue, but my solution was to follow skeptics content, so... (It's not as bad, because I really don't like assholes, but I have still a lot of things to deconstruct no doubt)
But yeah, I still try to keep that in mind when I interact with others.
I may be too naive, and I am still trying to find the good distance, between doubting everyone and trusting everyone.
Dropping a sub to both channels and very much curious to see what happens on the other channel.
This is the first video of yours I've watched (I have entirely too many things in my watch later) and I'm very happy this was the one.
Many nods, many mmhmms, and many reminders of values I am (trying very hard and inevitably failing consistently) committed to. I really liked the point about emotional vulnerability. It's a very difficult thing to do and I find myself alternating between letting go and white-knuckling (then getting upset that I white-knuckled again).
In a world designed to make you angry, in one that likes to pick a marginalization to single out every 6 months or so, it's difficult to let yourself feel or do more than play offensive defense but it is radical and it is world building.
Thank you both (and whoever may have helped behind the scenes) for putting this together. This was well done and I'm not afraid to admit that I'm crying right now either. Thank you, dears.
34:30 oh lordt. Some More News just did a 3 HOUR LONG video about Jordan Peterson. I'm glad I watched it, but please, no more! (Edit: another minute and y'all mention the very video! Whoops! So... you know, then. :P)
I like the essays and format of this channel! I just replaced my expired card on Patreon so my little bit of donation can do its teeny tiny bit to help again.
Another great video that I'll have to watch again to take it all in - but I had to smile at this sort-of critique of dunking, since several members of your RUclips collective produce an extremely funny podcast devoted to dunking on the dead. And I will happily affirm the value of your critique AND the value of dunking on the dead.
The RUclips channels for all of you are quickly becoming my favorites. I look forward to F the Algorithm.
Ah. A metatextual dunking on dunking by dunking on textual paradigms.
Clever.
SELL THEIR HOUSES TO WHO BEN????? FUCKING AQUAMAN??????
This video...is incredible. Thank you
Omg yes!!! Thank you! It's Khadija Mbowe of Twitter fame
Hi I found you guys from recommended and I'm loving this. Some real good points here, especially the inevitability of cancellation as a creator
It's been a while since I've watched a video where about halfway through I was like, "I need to support the shit out of this channel". I sincerely love so much about this. The "We Were All Chuds" section in particular was amazing because yeah, we were. I grew up in an uber-conservative house and the transition from that is hard. It's an everyday questioning of my own biases and being aware of why I might feel a certain way about this or that.
I initially read the title as “you’re wrong about drinking” and I was like oh no…now I’m going to have to stop drinking and then I was like what does B S have to do with this??? Lol
I mean you're probably wrong about drinking, too!
You need two liters of water per day on average, but you also need more if you consume salt or sugar or caffeine or alcohol (and drinking stuff that contains those four is not good and sports drinks WILL dehydrate you like coffee does).
Also if you have headaches often dehydration is a good suspect. But also don't drink TOO much because that will make you feel dehydrated, too...
Love the new name of this channel, The Leftist Cooks (btw, lol at the end of the vid when the new name was announced by the narrator and Neil went, "What?! "), and I'm so excited for the new channel featuring a supportive community of smaller creators! 😍🥰👍❤️💕
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I really appreciate your style, arty-ness, thoughtfulness, and sincerity. Also the purple looks incredible.
When you said "fjdsklfjiwoe" I felt that
ok it took me way too long to get why the basketball 🤦♀️🤯
As a fellow person who is both incompetent at sports and generally unphysically coordinated, I highly enjoyed watching Neil absolutely suck at basketball.
Haha I just watched your heartfelt rant about sports in the new GC vid, right before this one. So this comment makes total sense. (It was excellent, btw. As always.)
@@amla2263 thank you!
r/RoastMe is proof to me that dunking will still have a place post-capitalism.
Okay, finally got to start this one and have some thoughts.
1.) I think Neil's new haircut is very cute, I did not expect to like it as much as the long hair but they are totally rocking it beyond even my expectations and those were already high ^-^.
2.) This baseketball scene about describing a noncapitalist RUclips feels like a 90's educational TV spot in the best of ways from the music, to the lighting, and even the camera work. I love it, you 2 continue to fucking kill it and I cannot wait to see more.
Idk if I've ever commented on any of your videos yet, but I've watched almost all of them and have subscribed. I'm about to watch this one and figured I might as well say: You're doing great and I love to watch video essays from you! "Who even watches video essays?" ....me! I do!
Thank you so much
27:30 that bit really spoke to me. good video, i liked it
Oh sound. Thanks mate. You also do good videos very much. If you ever feel like it we'd love to have you read a quote or do a guest spot in your inimitable voice
I love you bonerbox
Wow! Another great video! These are always a huge highlight for me. The empathy and nuance y’all put into your videos is amazing. Keep up the great work!
Haven’t finished vid yet but I hope you address the comfort content aspect of it. All thing-bad content disappearing with the snap of an infinity glove would disintegrate some of my favourite comfort content
I love the style this channel has that makes the information they’re giving you feels like a very normal conversation. It’s quite wholesome
It seems like the disadvantage to humans being more collective is that to work together you have to be able to identify as together in some way.
It’s no wonder GB and US are worse at collectivising, as there are an infinite number of ways to do so. We’re individualist and in a attempt to salvage a collective identity we’ve become fragmented.
I don’t think that it’s the fault of any culture of system per-say, just (through individualism) the fact that we never agreed to live in that culture/system.
Countries with richer traditions and stronger social norms will easily be able to encourage more communication socially because ‘normal’ experience is shared.
It just all feels like an emotional issue over an intellectual one.
Beyond empathy and acceptance, we need a sense of kinship with those around us.
If we can’t all identify based on race, creed, culture, politics etc. then the attempt has to be to find a level lower than that to sit on.
We have to be more than our intersectionality for it to even be able to be part of the conversation.
You always make me think about things a little (or a lot) different. Thank you!!!
Brilliant video. stoked for the upcoming new channel and to try the cookie recipe when i get home.
As a video essayist avoiding doing a dunking video, I really appreciated this.
ouu nice seeing you here
and i love how deeply empathetic your content is.
The problem with going viral by dunking someone, is that your best way to keep those viewers is to keep dunking. It seems like an algorithmic addiction, in a way.
Honestly, the solipsistic soccer game analogy is great; whenever there’s a spat between content creators, whoever “wins” depends on what audience you’re in.
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I'm liking the trend toward more intentional emotional disclosure and vulnerability from leftist creators along the lines of, "I actually find the ideas of this very problematic person pretty appealing even though I know they're wrong. Let's explore why that might be the case and how we might redirect some of those impulses in a healthier direction." e.g. "We're in Hell's" recent pickup artist video
Really enjoyed the content and layout of this video. It was like a breath of fresh air I didn't know I was looking for.
Love the name change! Honestly this video is inspiring, I've been wanting to write something about this for a while
Those 2 cats are sitting there both thinking the same thing... "That's not how 'WE' make muffins... * yawn * "
completely off-topic, love the seagulls outside the window so much!
Great video again. Hope you guys grow enough to be comfortable (both of you) soon
39:02 Shoutouts to that absolute pupper with the good take off to the side.
This video is incredible. Really appreciate the thoughtfulness in the approach to the subject
Truee the yt algo never pushes you guys it's so sad I discovered you so late. Goldmine of a channel.
Your long videos are the best. I’m so happy when the algorithm gets around to informing me when you upload. Thanks 😊
Just subscribed. Don’t you dare stop! You’re both great!
I really liked the sponsorship segment. Was really nice to have a sponsorship that is an actually discussion of the sponsor's benefits while acknowledging it's flaws. Much more interesting and imo genuine than the typical sponsorship.
Okay, finally finished, great video. The thing that I both loved and was the most crazy to me was the portion about this idea of a distributed, collective good that becomes aware of it's limited perspective and owns up to it and diffuses the expertise and the ongoing discussion of benevolent progress amidst it's number, not only because it's a really fascinating idea but it's one I've been toying with for years now as a way to write a distinct section of worldbuilding in my TTRPG writing, and it's nuts to hear someone else get to the same place as I was on their own. I felt kind of crazy talking about the idea of the good being one that is extremely vulnerable and naked about it's own faults and that that nakedness about its emotional, spiritual, intellectual, and physical capabilities was part of what made them good, what helped them help others, what helped them grow and mature as an individual and as part of a great community when paired with an urge to grow for the better. But here it is, alive in well in others, and it's super exciting to see. I might have to finish putting it together and publish sometime, before the rest of the world passes it by XD.
Continue to knock these out of the park you 2, the work is great and continues to stun. Also make sure you get some sleep.
I wanna do a cover of the song at the end it's a banger.Great video as always,as soon as i can i'll contribute to the channel. My dream is to one day be in Ireland (from there but live in U.K) and somehow end up in a big jam with TLC ,Francis Higgins and Blindboy...
I'm getting tired of dunking too, it was fun but now I'm just getting depressed... Though Vaush dunking is still kinda cool to me
Goddamn this is refreshing content. Your cadence and writing is wonderful!
Thanks for doing what you do
I really appreciate that you make subtitles for your videos on release
Jordan Peterson is popular because the right wing loves him. Ignoring him wouldn't make him go away. It would just leave him unchallenged.
Leave Erik Alone!
Jk he can take it. Great video! I’ve recently fallen in love with y’all’s content. Gonna keep doing my small part of spreading them around.
And post.
You channeled Internet Comment Etiquette in that opening lol
Subscribed after watching your last two videos. Excellent work. Love your stuff.
Bruh I'm subscribed and I hit the bell why did I not get the notification for this video
Can I ask about the closing song? 'Cause it's a banger, but I can't find out *anything* about it: I don't even know for sure whether it's original to the video or not.
I really wanna listen to that song at the end some more! Very happy I found this channel. Keep up the good work!
Great video, friends. It's something I'm trying reeealllly hard to be cognizant of in my tweeting life, like "What am I trying to accomplish with this QRT or this screenshot dunk? Am I trying to dominate someone or am I trying to help others?". It's a daily battle to be just a little better, but it's important work