Nikon Z6 vs D810 vs D700 - DSLR vs Mirrorless, MP vs Quality (Hand Held)
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024
- DSLR vs Mirrorless daylight photo quality. Do Megapixels matter for resolution and details?... all shots are hand held for this test.
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Just shows how good the D700 is if it can compete with much newer technology, new isn’t always the best
@CarletonLong I agree with you a 100%. You should watch my High ISO video which is the one that followed this one, and in that one all the cameras did great, even the d200. Let me know your thoughts if u watch it. Hope to see more of you around here :)
The D700 refers colour and imagery better than anything. Nikon got the sensor and the software right and have never been able to do it again except on the D500 or D850. The D3 has been around for a long time. I came across a D850 with 827,000 shutter counts! They will be around a long time to come as well. Long after Zseries has died a natural.
@@geoffreystone4849 agreed, with one exception-the D3/D3s also does as well as the D700.
by "we" comparing the colors of lightroom (!)? why not jpegs from the camera or the raw program from nikon? they know how their own colors work, adobe not.
Newer lens profiles helps.
My wedding photos D700 and D3, both with same sensor, gave me the best images. Later, I got into model portfolios and NYC street photography and got excellent pics.
My other, newer cameras are the D300, D800, D750 and Z7 do not produce the rich colors of the older bodies but the Z7 makes a nice tool with the higher ISO because of the crop factor. But the smaller pixels do not work as well under low ambient lighting conditions.
The supposed downsides of the D700 are the single card slot and the 95% viewfinder. Both of which an experienced photographer would not consider problems.
You have all the cams I always wanted to try, but skipped because either a newer model came out or cuz too expensive. I have the D700, D810, D200 and Z6. Love them all, always wanted to to try the Z7 and compare it to the D810 and see how much better it performs. D810 has lots of issues, but when u get it right, it absolutely has sharp images.
I haven’t shot low light on the Z6 since the ISO vid I did here. That was back in may, and Lightroom tend to produce some weird effects while correcting and then make it look right, Hope that was corrected, but I still think the D810 low light images looked better.
The D700, any flaws it may have as you mention are easily overlooked and not a bothersome. I love this cams colors, usability, file sizes and versatility. Until now I don’t think a better cam has been made for photography. Being 12MP doesn’t matter to me all, I see why more MP matters, but no manufacturer has it right. Packing so many pixels in the sensor, all it does is slow you down in terms as how many FPS it can shoot and how slow you can shoot with it handheld. Packed pixels aren’t forgiving at all. Any shake and it will be noticeable. The D700 has more room for mistakes to happen within the sensor and thus produce better quality images. Love a great conversation and photographers who love cameras for what they are and can do! Happy Holidays @KenKonard 🍻🎄🎁🥃🥃
@@Aperture35 d200 had the best colour because of CCD, I think D700 is the best from Nikon CMOS sensors.
I use both the D810 and D700. Even though the two are a generation apart they were designed for the same market segments. The D750 and D610 are for different markets. The focus on the D810 is much better than the D700, but...the D700 colors are incredible! The D810 has much more processing capacity and with great glass and lighting makes quality images.Extra megapixels gives you latitude to shoot wider, the crop Zoom in with the D700. It's 12.2 mp sensor has more light between the pixels which gives it an edge on many denser mp censured cameras. Z^ is a different animal and I'll stick with my dinosaurs.
@ReganAlbertson thanks for the feedback. You are absolutely right the D700 and D800 & D810 & D850 were all semi pro Cams (Work Horses) while the D750 and D610 were more consumer focused. After the second video (Day2) I developed an affection for All cams made by Nikon. Due to Lightroom’s capabilities today, both these cams and my older D200 do great in low light. Hope to hear more of your thoughts in the future. 🥃
what is your opinion on how the d610 imgage quality (and only image quality) compares to the d700 and the d750? thanks
Depending on what you intend to use the cam for (video and/or photos). U will find that the d610 will do just fine if you know how to use Lightroom if any other developing software. If u plan on video, it may be good idea to use a Mirrorless… better options and better quality.
thanks for the quick reply! @@Aperture35
Great work! It only shows that there is no reason to replace the D700 for normal people despite all the talk on dpreview and those sites. Important to know for those who are on a budget (and who is not nowadays).
I guess Nikon over-engineered the D700. They stopped doing that later on.
it is. just try the d850 oder z6/7. avoid lightroom - the colors are not so good.
I love my D700.
I'm not surprised about the z6, but I think this really shows how well the good 'ol D700 still holds up today!
@NikolaiVanKley For the first time a few days ago, I used D700 with the mirror up?... wow!
I owned a D3200 D700 D500 D750 and now Z6.
Every single time i pull out the D700 it amazes me, just the color and tone of the images. It just has that "it" factor. Plain and Simple.
Only had Z6 for a couple days, i agree with your assessment on that as well.
@KJBallin14, nice arsenal of cams full and crop sensors. My D200 was my only crop sensor and I plan on doing a dive on that soon. But once I took off with the d700 and full frame, I could not look back. I was hooked. Glad u feel the same ! There is something very different and special about the Z6 as well. Ever time I use it, I find something new that makes sense when it comes to the menus and ease of use. Been using it none stop lately... by the way, I only know one other person my entire life with that last name (Ballin) we were cool back in the days. Hope to hear more of u in future vids. 🥃🥃
@@Aperture35 how big of a step(jump?) was between the d700 and z6? I do photography as a hobby, make 0 cents out of it. In about a month I could try to afford a Z6+FTZ+64gb xqd for 2200$/add a 24-70f4 S to 2700$ to be my camera for the next 7-10 years.
I could go with a D700 in like new condition with a tamron 28-75 F2.8 for ~650$ or a body in good condition for 350$
There is a D810+85mm 1.8g ~1100$ in great mechanical but 6.5/10 aesthetical condition (170k shutter count of 200k rated)
(all D750 around here (small country) are >150k shutter count and ~700k$ - not sure it's worth it)
Looking for better low light AF and IQ, as I shoot mostly the kids and a bit of everything at the moment, a lot of it in poor light.
Any camera I would pick will have to do for the next 3-5 years ( possibly except a D700 for 350$) and the Z6 is quite a stretch.
What are your thoughts? Thanks in advance.
Lenses I have (all nikkors):
12-24 f/4 DX (usable on fx from 14mm with good results from 16mm)
18-70mm DX
50mm f/1.8D
105mm f/2.5 Ai-s
80-200 f/4 Ai-s
Thanks for the question. The D700 is a great cam for anything u want to do and have the patience to focus. It’s not that fast but it gets the job done just right. You can’t beat the price point either. Low light Raw files are great today. You can go to the limit and Lightroom will remove noise 100%. Now, if you can afford and wait, a little to complete your arsenal of lenses, the Z6 for everything you are asking is a beast. Extremely fast focus and you basically point and shoot as the autofocus and follow is that good. Problem, there aren’t that many lenses available yet. But the ones that are, tend to be very sharp and will be worth the extra cost. 2, your current lenses are DX format or D will be crop mode and u will lose real estate in photo and the D lenses will not work. All lenses will mount, but will be manual is they aren’t new enough. As far as the other cameras the d750 and d810. For me those cams are very nice, but they tend to be on the large side of MP, this files tend to be a bit loo big. And as far as being used, I tend to thing that the older the cam and closer to mechanical it was, the longer it will last, this the d700 makes for a better choice. The other two, are almost hybrids and very delicate. Tend to act up if they weren’t properly taken cared of. The Z 6 eliminated that issue by removing the mirror and mechanical features. Thus making it the better choice today and for what your needs are. If you are gonna make a move and don’t need the video feature of ProRes RAW, the Z5 that just came out is cheaper and it’s just as good as the z6. Hope that helps. 🙏🥃🥃
@@Aperture35 thanks a lot, d700 is for the next year then :)
@kjballin14 Do you feel the Z6 can fully replace the D700? I have a D700, have owned the D750 and D800E, D800 while still owning the D700 so I had a chance to compare each of them to the D700. I feel that although some of the newer models have some edge in some things (dynamic range, low light, high iso performance), when lit properly, I simply enjoy the color rendering, micro contrast, white balance and simply "the look" more of the D700 every time. I'm wondering if I go up to say the D810 or a Z6, if I'll still be disappointed like I have been with the D750, D800.
If you’re not into videos and wireless tech, just get the D700 and save your money for prime lenses. Just thinking practically.
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When my gramps is shortlisted along with Usain Bolt and Carl Lewis ,there could only be one obvious winner. Love the D700 .
Gots to agree with you there. D700 is a beloved cam 🥃🥃
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I have both the D810 and Z6. I love the D810's resolution. I'm a landscape photography enthusiast. The D810 has no AA filter which will make it sharp unless you only shoot jpeg. For landscapes using a tripod and mirror up, D810 will be the best. Z6 is better at low light and for handheld shots, since it has IBIS and no vibration from a mirror. The D810's high resolution will show camera shake. Hopefully in the near future, my D810 will be replaced by the Z7 since it is like the D850 except lighter. Perfect for hiking with the camera.
@GeorgeRobinson thank you for the feedback. How do u shoot with mirror up, I mean it goes up when you shoot. Are you talking about doing manually? A Z8 is in the works with a 60MP+ resolution just in case... Hope to see you around more.
Aperture 35 Hi, the D810 has a mirror up option. Yes, it is for manual only. What I do is set it to Aperture priority mode. Pick my Aperture and then take a note of the shutter speed. I then put it to MUP and set the Aperture and shutter speed settings noted. Take a shot with a remote or in my case, with my Pluto trigger and smart phone.
About the Z8, I’m curious what nikon will unveil given the hype and incredible features of the eos r5. Good thing though is, it will make the z7 cheaper. The temptation though with gear acquisition syndrome is to get the latest gear. Lol!
That’s a tough choice... best now or best later... cheaper vs full price... I can feel your pain... lol
@@ThePinoyAggie Can't you just shoot in live view? that puts the mirror up.
that experiment with the d700 is a cool idea. Keep us updated!
Hey Alessandro... Im glad you are here still... Unfortunately, the D700 cant do video... all tries ended unsuccessful.
@@Aperture35 nice try anyway!!
This is an interesting test. I have done informal tests between D800, D850 and Z6 using the same F mount lenses and with with the same FL using a S Z mount lens on the Z7. I do a wide variety of commercial and hobby photography and almost everything is handheld. My conclusion for my style, without mirror up/tripod mounting, the Z6 consistently returns better images and when switching from the 50mm 1.4G to the 50 1.8 S on the Z6 you do not have to zoom in to see the advantage of the excellent corner to corner sharpness of the S lenses. Unless an art director insists on large files, I am doing almost all my work now on the Z6. I had a Z7 first but wanted the Z6. My high res needs were handled by the D850 so wanted the low light and speed of the Z6. Two months later, the Z6 became available. The D850 and Z7 are producing almost identical image quality but the newer Expeed processor gave the edge to the Z7, slight edge, in lower light due to the Expeed 6 in the Z7. I traded the Z7 back to the store owner who wanted it, and got the first Z6 that arrived in my adopted city, and to make up the difference in price, he threw in the 35mm and 50mm S primes to go with the 24-70 f/4. It took only a week or two of shooting both D850 and Z6 to conclude that the handling, low light performance and low light focusing/EVF just was more of a pleasure to us. When switching to S lenses, there was no going back. The lenses are really that good. Even the kit 24-70 f/4 is sharper across the frame than either of my G or E 24-70 2.8. Then getting the S 2.8 version which is better than any zoom I have ever seen or used. It embarrassed my fast primes. The 50 1.8 and 85 1.8 are spectacular primes which are as sharp in the corners than anything. The closest I have seen to resolving power is the Sigma 50 1.4 ART in the very center of the frame but it falls off by 1/3 of the frame away from the center. The Sigma also has a lot more CA/color fringing wide open.
It is REALLY hard to go back to OVF after the excellent EVF of the Z bodies. The IBIS is really good, better than VR. The very low light focusing is really good also, and is a pleasure to manual focus old MF lenses like my 50 1.2 AIS, which works great with the very accurate focus peaking function.
In your tests you probably would have seen sharper images from the 810 using tripod/mirror up because you can really see the difference between Live View and OVF modes. Live View is always better on DSLRs. The Z is always in live view so that alone would explain the sharper images with the Z. The quality of the tripod makes a difference also. For handheld shots, I always get better images than the D800 or D850.
I believe the D810 could have performed better if on tripod as you mentioned. But all photos were hand held at a high shutter speed n still had an issue with it. I think the mirror kicks too hard. I just made a video today where the D810 turns into the Z7... I was surprised! Hope to hear more from u and see you around as well. Thank you!
@@johnochicago8457 No, sharper than the G and about the same as the E in the center but in the corners, the S f/4 is clearly better even without pixel peeping. None of the F mount lenses, I have 18 of the best-regarded fast primes and 2.8 zooms and none of them is better across the frame than the S lenses out so far. The utter lack of CA is welcome trait for all the primes wide open.
You cannot hand hold a high megapixel camera and expect sharp images. Thanks for this comparism.
@JoshMcDzz when I first purchased the D810 I was blown away by colors, resolution and sharpness. I was coming from the D700, so that’s three times the resolution Increase. Soon after I realized, that the only way I was getting good images was in studio under controlled environment. When I would take it on events it wouldn’t perform as expected. File sizes were pretty large as well when compared.
The way I see it, each camera as time went by had a purpose, but that purpose was never advertised and one had to figure it out. That’s where the Z system got it right I believe, IBIS is the best integration for a high pixel count camera. Without it u will need a tripod and a still subject. It’s like trying to take a photo with a magnifying glass 🔎, will always be shaky in high Megapixel cams.🥃🥃
@@Aperture35 you're absolutely right. Plus, if you have good lighting bump up that shutter speed. This dude hand holds the d800 (same MP) for portrait yet gets sharp. Photo-Me-Ike.
Not sure I missed it also but what lens did you shoot with? A higher megapixel camera will need an appropriate lens. Also mistakes will show up more with high resolution cameras.
I had all of them but D3 instead of D700 which is similar, I think colors are the best on D700.
Before i even watch the video it breaks my heart. My D700 was stolen and i replaced it with an D810. I would love to still have the D700.
That’s almost as bad as loosing a child… completely understand your trauma.
Hope the D810 fills that void… in the right hands it can be one of the best cams ever, in the wrong hands it can be misunderstood as an all about cam. It’s not, it’s a purpose driven cam.
@@Aperture35 i'm actually making some videos about my photography. basically i use 5 cameras for different jobs. I still shoot film. my list is, Olympus TG6, Nikonos 5, Nikon FE, Nikon F90, Nikon D810.
And very occasionally i shoot large format, but that's a whole different story.
Awesome, any comparison content is always welcome in the community. Good luck with your project, should be interesting to see the outcome. Share link when ready🥃🥃
I think the most interesting comparison between those 3 cameras its the color in jpeg and the dynamic range different between the years. Trying to find the sharpest photo in 300/100 zoom is not so interesting because is just the resolution of the camera + the lens . for me great advantage will have the camera that produce a natural pleasant color in jpeg. Unfortunately all the newer cameras have all the bell and whistles but the image looks unpleasant and too much digital. An Example of older cameras that beat newer in color is the nikon d700 and the fuji s5 pro
@Andreas You have a unique taste that no other will appreciate, and that’s natural tones. Most cameras have shifted from that due to Raw and gotten lazy in the internal processing. The standard profile of the cameras are always bad, I tend to usually set it to neutral when I shoot, since it allows me to see more. I do understand your sentiments, and the D700 to me is a classic camera. I do have a video just on that camera, if u would like to see it 🍻. I also realized another thing, one can not zoom in to photos on high res monitors. You zoom in to 100% and it’s still too small because the resolution on monitor is too high. Thus the extra zoom needed, but it breaks parts the image. Thanks for the feedback bro. Hope to hear from you in other vids as well. 🥃🥃
@@Aperture35 thank you)
I love my d700. Built like a tank.
I agree with you🍻
I am looking into a used (in like new condition) Z6. This is very helpful! I shoot in 14 bit uncompressed with my D700 the file sizes are about the mid 20s of MB.
Hi thanks for the video. The higher the mb of a camera the stricter you need to hold it still. There is more latitude the lower you go down. Infor as iso, shutter speed would be helpful. Z6 will be sharp due to stabilisation. D700 would be better due to smaller image size. Put the d810 on a tripod and whatch for no wind and then test again. Awesome, thanks.
Thank you for the advice. It’s why I believe the d810 is better suited for studio or tripod use mostly.
A lot of people saying “if you use a tripod the D810 will be amazing”. If u have to use a tripod with a dslr in 2020, the camera is failing in its purpose. I can forgive the D700 for some shakes cause there’s no built in stabilization, but cmon, a sh*tload of money for a camera that requires a tripod to work properly!? It’s insane.
Good review dude, keep going
@mondomoda I agree with you 100% mondo. If you can’t take a cam with you on the go and use as it’s meant and achieved quality. I think there is a problem. I mean, the d700 and d810 take great pics in mirror up mode and with a tripod. Was the intention of the camera, I doubt it. So I understand that people may have a strong affection with their cam, but reality and the truth some times needs to be understood even if you are cheering for the underdogs. Thank you for the feedback mondo 🥃🥃
The D810 designed for landscape and studio work. Invariably your camera is on a tripod. If you want hand held use another body.
I'm going to go out and get a D700 based on this. I'm impressed by the images over the Z6. Thank you for showing this.
Colors n image quality are excellent. Hope to hear your feedback once u do 🥃🥃
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Remember it’s the glass that makes the difference….buy better glass. I’m sticking with my d700…for landscaping
I have a suggestion: 80% or more of RUclipsrs are chasing the same carrot. Why not differentiate yourself. Pick a camera, perhaps the D700 and thoroughly dissect it. Right now the D700 is undergoing cult status so it will help you garner not just eyeballs but quality viewers. And you get to learn something about a subject that you wouldn’t have done otherwise because there are just too many choices. Sometimes constraints is what helps you strengthen creative muscles. Also, good photography principles are applicable across the board no matter how old or new someone’s gear is. Again, the D700 is just an example but you get what I’m saying. Focus can be everything.
@HC you might be on to something bro!. I like your way of thinking. I love all my cams, that’s the reason I don’t sale any of them. Nikon has been in my family for ever and I inherit the love for it. I will dive into all of the cameras. Because even though the Z6 is the todays camera, it doesn’t mean, older gens have no place. My ISO vid proofed that. And I love that video and my cams way more due to it. Thanks HC... I love this type of feedbacks!🥃🥃🥃🥃🥃
Aperture 35 you’re welcome. Catch you around.
I sold my D700 after I've bought a Sigma dp2 Quattro.
Now I can pretty much hear your comments 😁
But believe me or not the Sigma had such a much better resolution when compared to the nikon.
Usability was crap of course....
So at present I have a Sony a9 but I might consider to buy a D700 again, only for the nice memories..
BTW that Sony is far away from being perfect...
@Frank haven’t heard of that camera. In the long run, one should own what suits our purpose and needs.
It would be awesome to know how much You get the D700 for and the condition it is in and how much you would have to pay to get it rebuild. 🥃🥃
But u have peaked my interest on the Sony, why do you say it isn’t all it’s cracked up to be, A7s3? Or the A9
With the new AI denoise, Sharpening and Enlargement software there is no need to carry anything better than a D700 unless you use your DSLR to shoot video.
This cam is crazy good. Not the sharpest, but, perfect for prints. Now that we have nothing but 4K screens though, higher pixel count is better, but you can still do much of your work with this cam 🥃🥃
Build quality alone of D700 kick out anothers.
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For people that care about the accuracy of their in-camera composition, the D810 has 100% viewfinder framing accuracy with the sensor. The D700 is only 95%. The Z6 and other mirrorless cameras are all (or should be) 100% accurate because the sensor is being USED to achieve the desired composition. I used to get frustrating composition results with a Canon 20D because it only had 93% viewfinder accuracy. My 20D had the sensor shifted to the right compared to what the viewfinder showed.
Great info. Thank you! 🥃🥃
Furthermore to my previous comment I get more resolution in my pictures with my D7200 24 megapixels crop sensor (DX) camera then I ever got from my D600 & D3x camera again because of the pixel pitch being higher equivalent to a 50 megapixels camera one scale up to full frame size & the absence of an AA filter that is of course of resolution but if you're talking about picture quality then I would go for the 12 megapixels D700 which has a very nice Toshiba sensor instead of the Sony found on later models. That sensor combine with Nikon colour science gives your portraits a nice look indeed with very nice skin tone and image quality even with only 12 megapixels of course it fall apart very quickly in situation where you have to crop in too much where a higher megapixel camera without AA filter excels .
I agree with this 100%… I know prints aren’t a thing no more really… but, if it was, that 12MP d700 would be all you need. Prints have a way of masking flaws and lack of resolution… but again, your assessment is right on. 🥃🥃
Got a D700 yesterday with a 14K shuttercount in absolute mint condition. Not a single scratch or dent.
Wow… now thats a hidden treasure… nice find!…🍀🥃🥃
@@Aperture35 Another one was a Nikon F80 analog slr a few years ago. So this camera was brand new. Ok the camera is 20 years old but was still in the original unopened box. Not often but now and then I stumble upon these hidden treasures😎
Not often?..that’s two in a row… I say play lotto next. I think your number is up 🍀🥃🥃
@@Aperture35 nahh, lotto does not bring me these gems🤣
Word of advice: avoide big camera retailers but search for those little 50 year old camerastores with a basement they forgot to clean out. Sure there is always something special.
Words from the wise!😀
Look to me that the d810 was back focusing which just needed to be corrected and then it would have been a different story. Also, was you using the same lens for comparison?
I could have been back focusing, I’m not gonna disregard any possibilities. But the same lens was used for all cams 35mm f1.8 fx
The D810 is well known for having issues with shutter slap. If you know how to work around it, then your shots will improve with clarity.
@JoeBroyles I agree with you. I have always noticed that I can’t shoot at 1/60 with it, it would always have to be 1/125 or higher for me. Maybe I have a shaky hand. So that’s what I believe happened here. But with an f8 at 1/400 and 1.8 at 1/8000... I don’t think there should have been that issue. I will send my cams to Nikon when they open, and when I get them back I will reduce this test, because I want to clear the air about it. Thanks Joe!🥃
I’m sticking with my D200 vintage legacy Nikon!
@EdwardSlizewski you should! That camera was my first DSLR. In the next video I did, Day 2 (High ISO and Long Exp) I put the D200 to play against these other three cameras. And it did really good. In fact I think it created one of the best images. Glad u enjoyed the video. Hope to see more of you around here Ed!🥃
You can shoot 14 MP RAW with the D819
I think and I am no expert but I think your D810 focusing needs to be adjusted.
The Z6 is focusing directly onto the sensor so it is either in focus or it isn't. Your D700 seems to be calibrated fine but your D810 seems to be slightly out of sync between its focus sensor and its imaging sensor.
You might be on to something here Philip… I have never calibrated the d810 nor any of my cams… but, maybe this one needs it… I have always had issue with focus… thank you 🥃
How is the dynamic range?
If you do HDR... then it’s endless 😁. But otherwise all these cams have about 12- 14.5 stops. The Z6 on the higher end. 🥃🥃
D700 is still king! Not only that, but you could buy a good used D700 and several lenses for the price of the Z6 body. Mirrorless, schmirrorless, you can keep it. I'll keep my D700!
I looked more Carefully at your video about the comparison of image quality between the D810, D700 & Z6 but the camera that you had on your right in front of you that you kept pointing at calling it the Z6 was in fact a D7000 I believe since it had a rounded look to the body & was missing the Full frame logo on the right beside the writing being on the right again not on the left like a Z6 & Z7 or any other Z camera & the shape of the viewfinder cover was also wrong to be a Z body.
You aren’t the only person to point that out… but wrong all around as I do not own a d7000… but I’m sure u are referring to the d200, I had in place for the z6… the z6 was being use to record the video… in fact I point it out at the beginning of the video as to why the camera is being shown was the d200…
Anyways, nice catch, but irrelevant to the video purpose…
In any case, if There is anything off, is the quality of image from d810, but as someone also point it out, I might need to calibrate the focus on that cam… sorry, if it seems a little harsh, I’m Not trying to be… just honest. cheers 🍻 🥃🥃😁
Did you use the same lens with all the cameras? You never mentioned it. The d810 photos look out of focus to me.
If I’m not mistaken you can see in the Lightroom info tab above the histogram what settings I’m using. But I used the same 35mm f1.8 fx lens in all cams... I have a follow up video to this particular issue on the D810 on another video. Hand holding the d810 is somewhat of an issue.
It looks more like motion blur than out of focus on the D810.
Pre-tty sure there's no video in D700...though I read it can be hacked somehow in live view or something. I'm not interested in vid so I love my D700.
Print all three at, say, A2. Stand back 1.8m, or 6 ft. (my rule of thumb; viewing distance three times the longest edge of the print) and look at them from there instead of pixel-peeping. Tell the difference?
@MarkKeohane I agree with you when it comes to prints... I used to have an Epson stylus Pro 9900 HDR and prints I created on that machine we’re insane sharp and flawless always. I would blow up up to 6 feet and no issue what so ever. It all depends on the print machine. Love the D700! Yeah on Day three I have that thought of video a rest, and left a RIP message of end of my video... but the end cards for RUclips covered my joke. Lol peace bro. Hope to see you around more!
The D700 doesn't shoot video my friend
Yeah, already figured that out a while back... 😂 thanks though. 😀
So
What matters to a lot of us
Are photos
The video output from the D700 is of the same quality as the video output from my D3x.
Merry Christmas! That would be a nice surprise to know that the D700 can do video. As far as I have tried, there is no video... the D700 and D3x have the same sensor I believe, but that’s about it. 🥃🥃
@@Aperture35 Just kidding you. Fact is neither camera has ever had video capability and what's more the D700 and D3X do not have the same sensor. The D3x was a high resolution studio camera from 2008. It has a 24MP sensor whereas the original 2007 D3 had the same sensor as the later D700. The D3s (which was the last of the D3 variants - released in 2009), does do video, but has a different sensor from all the others (a newer 12MP sensor.)
My d810 is way better than those two cameras. In terms of sharpness, colour, and image quality. Don’t know why you can’t do that on your d810?.
The D810 is my high MP cam, it can do just about anything, but not everything. All cams have their limits and one should know when to use them for their purpose. If you found this cam can do it all for you, then it’s the right cam on your shoulder strap. 🥃🥃
Its funny, but 9 out of ten 10 times, the d610 is never matched image quality wise against the d700. I know the d610 doesn't possess the same build quality of the d700, but Ive owned the d610, and d4s, and theres a reason the d610 scored 14 points higher on dxomark than the d700. I know, I know; What does dxomark know about anything?
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You’re ignoring one aspect: Value. On a value basis, the D700 wins hands down.
If the jpeg files straight out of Z6 look like this, with “Standard” image profile, I wouldn’t buy it.
@HKSC I’m sorry about the confusion. After vid was done with I checked the settings, and that was set to neutral. SD is very contrasty and nice. If you on the market for one, please the links in the description. Thank you and hope to see more of you here... 🥃🥃
That’s what I thought. Thanks for the clarification.
Love my D810 . For portraits and landscape its colors can’t be beat . I also have the Z6 and it’s amazing as well with its IBIS and incredible lenses. The Z6 looks better because of its IBIS and better lenses . However , the D810 has better resolution but you need better discipline . I think your test is a little flawed . Lenses matter too and I think you did not take that into account .
@Jcortes thank you for your feedback and concern about my test. I used a 35mm f1.8 fx lens across all cams, the z cam with the FtZ adapter. All shots hand held. I didn’t think about the IBIS being on at the time, and neither did I think about it when used it on tripod in my Low light test on the next video. Which the z6 failed due to it. I know the test was off now... I think, not sure.... But, after so many of you guys complained about it, I ask you... why do I need to dumb down the Z6 to play with the other cams who will need to be supercharged to be at that level. I will do that test soon. But I don’t think it’s a fair test at all if so many things have to be done to all cams to be at its optimal quality. Because it’s not a true test of everyday life use. It will be test of whats the best you can achieve if all settings are perfect and in the right conditions. For that test yes, hand held electronic and hand held mechanical without ibis and with ibis will be a test as well. But technology is better on z6 and if I’m to use s-line glass it would be even better. I love the feedback, and I hope this didn’t come across as me fighting.. it’s just my thought about the test and how I did it. Thank you again for your input, without it I can’t be better. And this helps a lot, because it is fair to do that test as well. Hope to hear more from you soon 🥃🥃
Aperture 35 agree , the tech is way better on the Z . The Z is my favorite Nikon to use . However , for paid work (portraits & real estate ) I always rely on my D810 .
do you have any issues with shutter slap?? I read many complains about this camera shakes hand held.
There are no issues with the Z body, but with the D810, it’s all about luck hand holding the camera for a pic.
In my screen de D700 looks much better than the other 2 , de z6 looks horrible, dull and can not see the sharpness that you talk in the video.
Not sure about your Z6… but the Z line cams and lenses are sharper corner to corner. I love the colors and images produced by the D700, but the Z6 photos to me are sharper due to better lenses and pixel count. But it’s not about what anyone likes, it’s all a preference and choice that fits the photographer’s work that will determine what camera is best. 🍺🍺
You didn't even mention what glass you were using.
Quality of image is not the issue here. So the glass doesn’t matter. Because they were all tested with the same glass. Performance is a different issue. All these cams handle differently according to their tech. And that’s what was tested. Nonetheless, the glass used was a 35mm f1.8 Prime. Very sharp glass and one of the best in its class. 🥃🥃
the next one who seems to not understand, that adobe has nothing to do with nikon. so any talk about colors ist not a talk about nikon but adobe and how they think this nikon should look like. but if youre using the nikon raw conveter, you get the colors of nikon.
Agree with all you are saying… but if we are getting picky, then jpeg is your best option for True Tone. Lightroom just makes a professional’s life easier to deliver work, regardless of tone. Tone only matters to the photographer, which no real world person ever cares about or can match what you see unless the same equipment is used. Everything shifts tones with different devices. In the end, it comes down to what u like best… that’s it. Comment is much appreciated.
@@Aperture35 I saw it that way once, but not anymore. the differences are bigger than one would like to believe. That's why I don't use Lightroom anymore. the colors are distorted too much, especially the skin tones, orange/dark yellow in general and the magenta portion in the darker areas. the photos are a bit weaker, more boring, but above all cooler. not to mention the idiosyncratic white balance.
this is not only visible on the display but also on printouts/exposed images.
In addition to the manufacturer's RAW program, I find the colors of dxo and c1 very good. Lightroom is no comparison. I can only advise everyone to try something different than LR.
When was the last time you used LR?… and and what do you use?
I do know that photos look better on native color corrected programs, but the process is too time consuming and tedious. I like to get my images fast to a point I can choose the ones I’m gonna use to then export them to photoshop and then finish it in Lightroom again. It’s a three way process for me that I use. Rarely do I end up with images from LR to delivery. Unless, the client calls for True Tone, then maybe I would use… but even then I’m not sure it’s worth the detour.
@@Aperture35 that may be the case, but the ONLY correct way to compare colors is to use nikon's tools. everyone else is ridiculous.
Own D800 and Z6 and Z6 jpegs are worst I ever see from any camera. Sometimes it looks like complete garbage. But Z6 RAW files opposite - they are amazing till ISO 1600 and one of the best color tones I ever see, nice, sharp images. So be aware NEVER EVER SHOOT Z6 JPEGS!!!!!!
Thanks for your effort but the test is floored. You need to provide the lens info and shutter speed. The D810 shits on the Z6 for image acuity. If you are testing the resolution of cameras the testing needs to be more technically accurate. Certainly not hand held. You are testing a camera with IBIS vs two without.
@LazyDog there’s a restaurant chain where I’m at with that name :). Anyways, you are very right, I didn’t think about that. But I did say what lens I was using, f stop and shutter. But I didn’t turn off ibis from Z6, not that I wanted to give the Z6 the edge, just didn’t think about it. There will have to be a correction video in the future and test all the flaws In my tests with proper settings. Thanks! Hope you stick around for that see that one :)
I agree with everything you said. The vid started out great but the methodology and conclusions throughout just had me scratching my head. For instance: why would you zoom beyond 100% and try to surmise anything? After 100% everything is moot. You’ve already met the ceiling for that respective camera. Especially the quality of the bokeh and/or detail.
I see your point. Will address this issue in the future hoping we can get to a point where we all agree. The only thing I can say is that when it came to high iso and long exposure, the Z6 failed in my test, and that’s cuz I still had the ibis on. So, there is no favoritism, just high expectations, and when they aren’t met... it hurts. that will make sense when u watch the video. 😂 thanks for your feedback @HC 🥃
Aperture 35 one thing I’ll say is you had the courage, initiative and patience to make a video. That’s more than the majority of us will ever do. So keep it up. Critical analysis will only make you better. You actually are a good presenter. And your delivery and language skills are good.
I totally disagree with your first statement on the image quality comparison. where you basically say the given it software & the fact that is a a very nice image the z6 is superior in terms of image quality over the D810. Well I believe that you are full of it on that statement & I'll give you my reasons why... First the D810 has 12 megapixels more of resolution & it has No AA filter like the other 24 Megapixels DSLR of Nikon D600/610 & D750 all which also have that AA filter reducing image sharpness by up to 15%. It does not take a rocket scientist to notice the difference on paper & in results. Also on your video the camera on your right that you keep pointing at doesn't look to me anything like a Z6 but another DSLR by the shape of the viewfinder housing & the fact that the writing is on the right side of the body view from the front while on the Z series that Z & the following number are on the left of the body.
I won’t disagree with you on your d810 statement. Because I believe the cam needs a sensor focus calibration at this point. Yet, I’m not wrong…
Here some facts to consider, a higher MP cam requires stability in n order to have great flow between pixels for sharpness. A cam with lower resolution has larger cells, thus not requiring a steady hand to capture a great image. The Z6, wins all day long in focus, because it delivers its focus directly to the sensor, rather then relying on an out of place mirror. Therefore, the Z7, would be a much better cam than the d810, due to its ibis as well. Many factors come into play… I love the D810 it’s a beast, but let’s not discard tech and age here. The Mirrorless cams will take better photos in quality, color, focus and let’s not forget the glass they use.. insane sharp.
As far as my D200 in place… bro, just watch an entire vid, rather than skipping. 1:30 should give u an answer .
Thanks for the comments, I’m not ashamed to say Ian wrong, but when not fully… I like to share it. 🥃🥃
D810 will punish slightest of shakes....On a tripod it will really shine
@MohammadAqeel you are absolutely correct my friend. All these cams do really good on a tripod without a doubt. So much so, that there is no difference between them. Thanks for the input. Hope to see you around more 🥃🥃
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Why give up all my glass and bodies to lose my skills with automation? If I want video I reach for my Panasonic video camera. Nikon would sell a great deal of cameras of the mirrorless variety if it had an F mount, no on board flash, no video , twin sd cards, a large buffer, magnesium body, focus peaking, no wifi, standard battery grip..
You shouldn’t need to give up anything in order to keep your skills. Technology just allows you to do your job/hobby easier. Even with the Z system, you can use and get the same quality of image as you are used to in DSLR. The S-line glass is only to get the most of the system and sharpness. It’s much like when film when digital. Lots of push back, when lenses gained auto focus, it wasn’t required, it was just a need that came with the times. And that where hybrid comes in place. Unfortunately, if Nikon is to stay in business they Must move on and do something different and in line with demand. No need to change your ways, just amplify your skills...🥃🥃
@@Aperture35 most pros shoot in manual or aperture mode anyhow. If you are getting the same quality image I have better things to spend my money on. Photography is more than point and shoot. Its an art form.
Da Vinci, Raphael, Van Gogh asked to give up their brushes because of the printing press?
Follow the money. The likes of Nikon Canon Sony (aka IBM Kodak ) are marketing companies that just happen to sell cameras & lenses. They need something to sell.
I'll stick with my D3 D700 ,D750, D600 & D7200 thx.
Everything done with a cam is a photo, it’s only art once we add value to it, whether be money or pride. Yet, I’m only still responding to your initial comment that you need new lenses to move on to the Z system and automation is killing the your skills. I don’t get how that is... you can use this tool, the camera ( DSLR or Mirrorless) anyway you would like to. It is not mandatory for u to use all the auto features. All those cams you have have the same features. The Z is just better at it. So again, I do not understand your stance or comments. You want to use your fx glass on the Z, you can. U want to upgrade to the S-Line glass u can. So, how is the Z wrong then?... 🤔🥃🥃
@@Aperture35 you said get the z series for the "same quality" so why bother?
A professional.phptograpgher who closed is business in the UK and came to Australia gave me advice. He did billboards. In retirement he shoots and prints using an IPHONE 20" x 30". He reckons you would be hard picked to see the difference. So why spend a fortune on a new system.
If you listen to the Angry Photographer Nikon's Z series is not great. Fuji & Sony have the lead.
If Nikon so confident why introduce new DSLRs? Time will tell.
Using FX lenses on Z cameras needs a converter. Not ideal. What about about all the manual primes that out shine anything today?
Me thinks spending just for light weight will go the same way as the 4/3rds cult, at least for Nikon.
Of course there is a market for all the Gucci mob who want to be seen with the latest, expensive stuff. Or the professional who needs to be seen with it and can write the expenditure off on tax.
At the end of the day composition and lighting are more important than lenses and cameras. Capture in camera and expose in the computer. The D700 is flawless in capturing and rendering the colour. No equal in any Z device.
I got to say, I love a good conversation and I will listen and do my best not to be bias. But, I’m having a real hard time understanding your train of thought. Your saying you can do great work with an iPhone and the D700... Great!... I have them cams and I own a 55mm f2.8 micro and 24mm f2.8 both manual lenses. They are awesome and usable on the Z. My latest video was shot on the 24mm. Looks good. Are the z line lenses sharper edge to edge and contrasty, hell’s yeah. It’s a matter of taste. Still don’t understand why it’s so hard for you to understand this new system. It lacks the mirror, therefore an adapter is needed to compensate for the lack of space the mirror was using to focus correctly. That’s all. Your photo quality will be just as great and most definitely better, ISO, IbIS and sharpness increase. I do prefer the old manual lenses over the fx auto lenses any day. But the new Z lenses are insane good. So good, that I do not miss them old lenses at all. Except if I am going after a look and feel, then I will reach for this manual lenses.
I’m not trying to sell you on the Z system nor am I trying to make you understand. I’m only hoping I can see your point of view. Because it doesn’t add up. Everything you complain about the Z system can do better with old and new glass. And that’s the only thing I value here, glass. Cams are all tools that need update as required to keep up with the times demands. 🥃🥃
What lens did you use for those pictures?
@MattDewudzki Good Morning, I was using an F mount lens 35mm f1.8 at f8.
@@Aperture35 hmm..Just wondering. the d810 image looks worse than it should. Thought it may have been a bad lens or something, cause if I was going for image quality I'd choose d810 from those 3 any day. BTW, regarding the low light. Handheld no flash would go for z6, but with flash or still/tripod shots d810 again. At least that's my experience.
You know... for a long time I have been wondering if my D810 has faulty or dirty connections. Because all my images look off. When I first got it. Everything was good extremely sharp. Will have to send to Nikon when they reopen. But, I do agree with most of you guys, the D810 should be a better Cam. But for as small and compact the Z6 is... it handles very well. The line of work I’m in doesn’t really allow me to do more than required, thus, some settings on it that are standard on, I believe if inactive will provide even better photos. A correction video for sure will have to be made in the future. Thanks Matt!
@@Aperture35 The D810 is a good camera but even the better D850 has more motion, vibration and shutter shock than a Z6. That is expected. If on a very solid tripod, and using live view. The DSLRs will be good. Hand holding will always be better with the Z bodies and there is no concern about lens calibration. The problem worsens with zooms because your calibration of the lens to your AF system can only be optimized at one FL and one color temperature. Then, pop on a S lens like the 35 1.8 on the Z6 and see that it pulls away handily past the 35 1.4G. Most people who got a Z body felt they FTZ and their current F lenses would be fine but if they buy any one of the S lenses, they really have a hard time going back to the F lenses, particularly if side and corner sharpness is desired. They get a 50 1.8 S and get so spoiled it is hard to go back. Even the kit 24-70 f/4 outperforms the G or E version of 2.8 F mount zooms.
AS much as I have loved the holding, controls and add on grip on my DSLRs, they seldom get used now, even for commercial studio sessions, the Z6 just has so many advantages that it gets used 90% of the time
As soon as I have seen what you classify as "corrected" I knew this was going to be a BS comparison, because you obviously have no clue at all.
@Project2501 Hey bro, I have no problem saying I’m wrong... but was I? U want me to dumb down a Ferrari to race? Or supercharge civics for one time use And pointless the rest of the days? That’s what everyone is asking... I’m just gonna do it to see the best of each, but won’t be true for everyday shooting. And that’s what I was comparing, hand held. I like your frustration, use your anger towards good and not to hide behind words. It will make you feel better about who you are. I welcome you to have an adult conversation, if so, please come around more 🥃🥃. if not, keep walking 🚶 ...
@@Aperture35 Wow, adorable try to cover up your insecurity and lack of knowledge and skill. Guess I hit a nerve there. Have a nice day.
@@Project_2501 dude... you sound like a 9 year old
Project 2501 you are an asshole
@Project2501 Please enlighten us with your knowledge and experience. We look forward to your videos.
Mayby i had a shaky hand 🙃
@Nikolaj I’m glad u have a sense of humor... I call it as it is... if I made u laugh, u learned something or maybe we both take something from this, then my job is done. Glad you took the time to watch my vid. 🥃🥃
@@Aperture35 thanks for positive reply. I had looked forward to se compare between Z6 and D810 but to test sharpness without a tripod, with a shaky hand, is not reliable.
Oh no, it’s not that I had a shaky hand, that’s just me speaking out loud. that’s just me trying to figure out why it wasn’t sharp. I have a new vid in the works. And I can tell you this much. The d810 if it was a full time mirrorless. Would be awesome. Tests proofs that. The problem with it, it’s the mirror. The slap back is to hard I believe. Thus the motion blur. Because it doesn’t make sense that even at 1/6400 it still had the same issue. Hope you stick around for that one soon. Peace 🥃
I don't know hoe you got those images,but D810 should be the best here.Something is wrong here...Compare other pictures as well not only 1 sample....
The D810 has the best photo quality hands down... the high pixel count is what makes it so good along with the sensor and the lack of AA filter... if you are an owner of this cam you know it has limitations and getting a shot at shutter speed of 1/60 or lower hand held is one of them. Nonetheless, this shots were at 1/400 I believe and still achieve such results. Anyways, that’s just my observation and it doesn’t mean a thing if you never need to drop your shutter speed low or if this is the perfect cam for you. To me, all cameras have a purpose, there is no one single cam you can call perfect for all needs. Hope this clarifies things 🥃🥃
I have a d810 and not able to see a sharp, sharp picture from it. Piece of crap.