A7iii Low Light || figuring out the optimal low light profiles
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- Опубликовано: 31 май 2024
- // Cookie Dough
Black Level 0
Gamma Cine 1
Black Gamma Middle +7
Knee Auto
Color Mode S.Gamut.Cine
Saturation -7
Color Phase 0
Color Depth 0
Detail -7
Mode Manual
V/H Balance 0
B/W Balance Type 5
Limit 7
Crispining 7
Hi-Light Detail 0
// Chili Relleno
Black Level -7
Gamma Cine 1
Black Gamma Middle -7
Knee Manual
80%
+5
Color Mode Cinema
Saturation +20
Color Phase 0
Color Depth 0
Detail -7
Mode Manual
V/H Balance 0
B/W Balance Type 5
Limit 7
Crispining 7
Hi-Light Detail 0
// sonys documentation
helpguide.sony.net/di/pp/v1/e...
docs.sony.com/release/Help_C1...
pro.sony/s3/cms-static-conten...
pro.sony/en_BE/product-resour...
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this video took about 3 months to make
sony a7iii low light picture profile
the fountain of youth
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Also, whoever disliked this video obviously did not watch the entire thing and was expecting a 10 second clip of all the settings needed to be Tarantino. Keep it up bud.
Omg that opening scene was stunning
Excellent tests! One of the best if not the best test I saw on Sony Pic profiles on Sony cameras. Thank You.
The info in here is super valuable. This helped a lot because it helped explain how each setting affects the image as well as point in the direction of resources to go further in depth on it. Thanks man!
Great video. Enjoyed the animations, b-roll and complete breakdown and explanation.
Now I finally know what the settings on my A7iii really mean. Thanks so much for the video, incredibly informative, clear, enjoyable and well paced. It's clear a LOT of work went into making it, so this is much appreciated. Hope to see more videos from you!
i been coming back to this video last few years everytime i work with sony, thanks you so much for make my work easier.
Just wanted to thank you for this video and the work you have put into making it. The "chilly relleno" profile its amazing. Just bought the a6600 plus the 16-55g lens and this profile is by far the best one for shooting on low light. You earned another subscriber :)..keep these videos coming! :)
literally the best profile picture video ever!
This is a picture profile night recording masterpiece. Congratulations!!!
Thanks for this video, it's literally perfect. It can be seen you put a lot of work into it. Great job man
wow.... this is so informative! Not just a good picture profile but also an explanation on how you got to choose these settings!
Amazing, thanks a lot, I will try it out.
You. Are. A. Legend. Thank you for putting in the time to do this. Never subscribed in my life, but I'm subscribing to you!
This has to be right up there with @geraldundone as the best profile videos for Sony. Amazing work dude you deserve way more attention than what you have atm. Keep them coming.
Great information. Some people just give their settings without any justifiable information. I'm glad I found this.
this is amazing... please just keep doing those tests.... brillant...
Love your vibe, super calm!
Broooo ! Outstanding work ! I've been looking for exactly this kind of break down everywhere on the web, you are the only one that is not afraid of getting into detail and doesn't vulgarize the infos.
I usually never leave comments on the internet but you really deserve it. Keep up the good work thanks again !!!
I've got a question though. My zebra is popping at a pretty low iso allready, so what is your advice on the proper way to expose both of your pp ?
really the best way is to use a monitor with a correction lut, you can also set it up with false color to avoid blowing out
Awesome testing, great video and editing with great visuals to comprehend. Thank you so much man! Subbed
Thank you for this video! The most comprehensive explanation of the Picture Profile settings on Sony a7iii! I like how you used the graphics and real world examples to explain what you were saying really helpful! 🙏🏽
Mode Manual
V/H Balance 0
B/W Balance Type 5
Limit 7
Crispining 7
Hi-Light Detail 0
PFP settings ended at details, can u tell me where i can find em?
I love this! It taught me a lot about what all those Picture Profile settings do! And I’m questioning my blind faith in Cine2!
THIS VIDEO IS AMAZING! I really looked for this for a long time!
You should really do the other sony A7iii videos you were planing! Thank you so much!
Best PP comparison for low light. Thanks for the work you've done. Very skillful video. I follow the news!
Сергей Фурман Thanks
Jeez thank you so much for such insightful analysis!
This is impresivelly informative brother. Amazing job!!! I’ve been tinkering with these things for a while & didn’t think it was possible to make a video like this. Thank you
Rafael Brito yeer
just thought this had to be made
Video definitely deserves more views. Very well made! Thank you for your info
Isaac Sarabia ☺️
By far the best video on the subject in RUclips
Absolutely amazing video.thank you so much, keep creating brother
Duudee this was very helpful very well explained great job man!!!
Love the food analogies! Great video man!
Niko yeet
Amazing Video! Thsnks for all the valuable information.
i won’t be making a daylight profile video for a while, so here are the 2 profiles i use for daylight :
people : hlog 3, detail -7
hlog has more color depth and is easier to grade, since you can convert it to 709 easily. this is the best profile i’ve found for skin tones. slog 2/3 is too difficult to grade (for me) for skin tones. i normally overexpose by +1-1.5, for my skin tone it’s between 60-70 ire on the false color on my monitor. the reason we overexpose is when you convert to 709 it gets darker. in post i add back contrast and somtimes saturation.
product , food , nature : slog 3, detail -7, sgamut.cine
the ~1 stop of extra dynamic range in luminance makes food and products look good. normally expose around +2. with slog 3 i try to push it as high as i can while keeping mids around 75-85 ire - above that and the color begins to distort. i use to expose with false color and a custom ire band for mids but now i just expose using a lut i made, so im not 100 on it being 75-85 but it’s around there
Thanks for the informations about the HLG3 and the SLG3.
I'm still using your Chili Relleno for daylights and lowlights.
I found out a profile picture from this RUclipsr :
ruclips.net/video/V6tSrpLi4cA/видео.html
I've been tested it for one week already, I'm satisfied with the resuts in daylights and lowlights.
Thanks, I know its been a long time since the video but did you have any other settings changed in daylight profile pictures?
really well put together video. this helped me when choosing a Picture profile.
Amazing! Thank you for the detail, have been trying to work out the best picture profile settings for fire at night and capturing people next to it and have been struggling to make it work as it's so bright and so dark at the same time, almost polar opposites... This helps a lot though so thank you!
Mode Manual
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B/W Balance Type 5
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PFP settings ended at details, can u tell me where i can find em?
This is incredibly informative - wow, thanks!
OMG, u did a great job, even more detail and informative than Josh Yeo video about this low light setting, thanks alot bro, u made my day
This info is GOLD! Thanks for this man. Keep them coming!
Which profile was used to shoot all the B roll after the 26min mark? it's so clean and crispy.
Got an ETA on that day time video? Cant wait!
Alli can say is WOOOW😮 Amazing info... Thanks alot )
This is such an amazing vid bro!! So glad I ran across. Definitely gonna subscribe!!
IllWillMedia 706 thanks bro nice to know it’s helpful
besides the super informative video, your voice is so damn satisfying to listen to
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Unreal thanks mate. Great intro
omg, why this video have only 5k views? it's the best video about pp on youtube. thank you very much, it was very informative video
Outstanding, thank you. Subscribed.
Very informative, thank you!!
This great. Thank you so much
HUGE WORK! Thank you so much. Still confuse with some contradictions with Gerald Undone
Thank you for the video!
Thanks
Bruh how do you barley have a handful of subs this is the most informative video ever….
Thank you
How do you not have more subs? Thank you for creating this video. Has given me a lot more knowledge on my A7iii! I wanna buy you a coffee!!
KallMeKG Visuals paypal.me/geoffgonzales/5
Love it! Despite my poor English, I understood what I needed. Much thanks!
This is really great. I'll be referring to this video later, I'm sure. Thanks for this.
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Great info! I ll be giving cookie dough a try.
Nate Chester lemme know how it turned out
Great Video, very helpful. Please give us more... A nice daylight PP, please :)
Just gr8!
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still relevant, this video is pure gold
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I dont know how to thank you for this video. I watched tons of videos before clicking yours and believe me this is the best video i have come across apart from gerald undone or i may say better! thank you so much and i wonder how this goldmine info video doesn't have views? and why you stopped making more videos. pls come back.....
that tip at 7:25 is insane
Thank youcso much!
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alot of information very intense
ur 1000th sub :D
great video ;) thx
Beautiful , good job , thank you so much , will use COOKIE DOUGH ;) , new sub to ur channel , thanks again :) and i thought u were gonna include on ur last list of noise comparison chilli relleno..hehe
I used these profiles months ago, enjoyed them, just came back to the video the verify the settings and I noticed you changed the chilli relleno completely. You recommend the original setts or the updated ones in description? Cheers
JesseSTRUMS the updated ones in the description
Bro, I use sony a7ii, I dont have slog3.cine color mode, which one would you recomend?
What's that weird flickering light in the HLG3 footage?
Wow great video. Very informative. Thank you for sharing your findings with us. But what about daylight? I like the cine profiles for grading. Could it be the case that cine 2 is better than cine1 at daylight? I know cine 2 has less contrast than the others. So wich cine profile do you prefer for daylight?
I also like HLG3, but its harder for grading.
Murat Kokten because cine 2 is a compressed version of cine 1, taking 107% output and squishing it into 100%, the quality of cine 2 is degraded slightly. sony did this to make grading easier.
i’m actually making a video on the best daylight profiles rn; just been to lazy / busy to edit it. but in a nutshell my findings for a daylight profile where you don’t have to worry about noise is : the highest quality footage capture comes from overexposed slog 3 and overexposed hlog 3. by overexposed i mean pushed ~ 2 stops, but NOT blowing out the highlights. then in post just pull down the mids. the difference between them is : hlog 3 has better color and it doesn’t matter that much when going with 709 or 2020 bc you have to convert both to 709 anyways in the nle, the 709 color space still needs to be converted to adjust the gamma. slog 3 has better dynamic range (slightly, see the vid by gerald undone on this, i think it was a third of a stop difference in hdr) the other advantage of slog 3 over hlog 3 is it has more gradation of highlights, meaning it captures backlit/ cloudy / high exposure differences well, where hlog 3 blows out highlights more easily. i’ve been using hlog 3 for work bc it’s slightly easier in workflow than slog 3.
edit : although i’m considering doing more work using slog 3 bc i like to shoot backlit sunlight
for a profile that does not need grading, it’s probably gonna be the chili rellino cine 1 profile i mentioned here, but with detail added bc we don’t have to worry about noise as much. should have the daylight profile video up soon stay tuned dude
edit : so the detail would be at 0 as opposed to -7
@@GeoffreyGonzales do it plssssss
Hello Geoffrey,
Do you have a day light picture profile without grading ?
(a clone of Chili Relleno but for day light)
Lunstagramer hello, i don’t have a daylight profile that’s like chili rellino, where you don’t have to grade it.
you can use it for daylight tho
for daylight low iso stuff i use hlog3
Thank you for your reply.
I'll stick to your Chili Relleno for low lights and day lights until you release a Chili Relleno II :-)
Wish you a good day.
Hello and thank you for this great video!! I would like to ask you about sticking to native ISO. Technically if i'm not shooting slog, is there a preferred ISO to use? Is Native recommended? Or just as low as possible? I have done some tests with an HLG2 profile + an easy grade. Its great for day, but at night its grainy... so I'm looking to try out new profiles like yours :)
the lower the iso, the less noise and cleaner the image will be. this applies to any picture profile or even film stock. there are edge cases of dual native iso but not for this camera
going for the lowest iso will produce the least amount of noise in body, but in this case cine 1 (cookie dough) was very slightly overexposed and then pulled down later in post
hlog 1 has the most built in noise reduction and lowest dynamic range. hlog 3 has the least noise reduction and the most dynamic range. hlog 2 is a balance of these. if you’re trying to stick with hlog, maybe using hlog 3 for daylight and hlog 1 for low light might work
ultimately tho cine 1 has the best low light performance for this camera
Hello I cant seem to find where i can change
Mode Manual
V/H Balance 0
B/W Balance Type 5
Limit 7
Crispining 7
Hi-Light Detail 0
PFP settings ended at details, can u tell me where i can find em?
I just cant shoot at night, even if its -1 or 0 or +1 or +2, I will always get noisy footage... What am I doing wrong? I tried slog and hlg3. The only way it seems not to get noisy footage is by shooting with no picture profile
In the video when you talk about playing around with the settings after creating your profiles, you suggest keeping chili relleno in color space pro.. but in the description it says cinema.. which one should it be? Or did I miss something lol
ActuallyArmani oops i misspoke it’s cinema
Subbed!
bonus tips :
when shooting hlog3 at 120p : at 4000 iso there is a extra boost of noise reduction
when shooting hlog 3 4k : at 12800 iso there is a boost in noise reduction
in cine 1, the noise reduction seems to be there all the time
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Are you sure for Ff vs super 35 you're not thinking of the a7riii? The a7riii downsamples the full sensor so FF should be much less noisy...
Matthew Long maybe, not sure. a7iii down samples as well, but i’ll remove the bit just in case
Hey, thanks so much for this. You are saving peeps a lot of time!
I have a question. Regarding Chili Relleno, In the video, you say to keep black level at 0 and to under saturate if anything, but in your written description where you have both profiles listed, you have the black level down and saturation way up,(ex below). Are these typo's are did you update these numbers since the video was posted? Thanks, Kenny
ex: // Chili Relleno
Black Level -7
Gamma Cine 1
Black Gamma Middle -7
Knee Manual
80%
+5
Color Mode Cinema
Saturation +20
Kenny Johnston thanks. the profile in the description is updated so go with that one
geoffrey Just to be sure, saturation +20, black level -7? Thanks again
Kenny Johnston yup
@@GeoffreyGonzales Gotcha. So introducing that much saturation in body won't introduce noise? thanks
Kenny Johnston it will, it’s about 2-5%, but you can see in some of the footage in the beginning it’s not that much.
chilie relleno is meant to be used without grading so you got to add saturation anyways
Hi! Cine 4 profile needs grading as slog?
how can squishing cine1 from 109% to 100% for cine2 create noise ? I don't understand
hello! i love the video - quick question, any particular LUTs you would use for cookie dough? is it possible to make phantom LUTs work?
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B/W Balance Type 5
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Crispining 7
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What picture profile did you use?
Subbed 🤟
any lut to convert Cookie Dough to Rec709?
Geoffrey, I understood the picture profile settings but I’m lost once we get to
“mode manual
V/H Balance 0
B/W balance type 5
Limit 7
Crispining 7
Hi-light detail 0”
Are these setting in camera? If so where do I find I find them 🤔
Kinda wish you could have gone more in detail by showing us on camera how you set these parameters. Sorry, new to Sony a7iii
Found it !
Hi, Super helpful video, cool style! How should I set my zebra fro these profiles if I want to use the camera monitor for exposure? Sony says: (CINE 1) The maximum value of video output is 109%. Does this mean I can set the zebra to Lower limit 109+ or let's say 104+ to leave a bit of buffer?
kristóf kollár both will work fine, up to you which you like more through testing. im sorry i don’t more of an opinion on this as i dont use zebras, i use a lut on a monitor to expose.
Very awesome vid! Do you have any suggestions for daylight shooting? Particularly which Cine/color combo works best and what exposure? Thanks
Derek Polman the short answer is hlog 3, bt2020, knee at 85% slope +5, detail the same as here, and overexposure as much as you can without blowing out the highlights, same as here. in post convert the color space to 709, and pull down on the mids. i like this more than slog 3 which has slightly more dynamic range and flare / blow out resistant - bc it very easy to grade. slog is a pain for me, and the only use for me when shooting with it is very strongly backlight stuff.
@@GeoffreyGonzales Thank you! It's really interesting that you suggest overexposure rather than underexposure. Almost every other tips/guide/tutorial for video suggest to underexpose slightly. Wouldn't some of the mids and darks data be lost/crushed when overexposing?
Derek Polman no the opposite. if you overexpose (brighter) there is more information in the shadows. the highlights get clipped, but hlog can handle it plus that’s why the knee is at 85%
@@GeoffreyGonzales Here's an interesting article some time back about Slog, Cine1, and Cine4 datapoints. www.inventome.com/blog/sony-a7s-how-to-expose-cine-or-log
holy shit you worked so hard on this and you barely got any views whattttt
First off, thanks for taking the time to make this video. I learned a ton about what all the manual settings do in my sony. Second, I tried the chillies relleno settings on my a6500 and in extreme low light with iso at 25600 (a common scenario in which I need to shoot in) there was a considerable amount of color noise in the blacks in 4k 24 (an insane amount in 1080 120)...compared to make art now's profile setting (which I modified: black level and black gamma to 0 instead of his recommended -2 which looked too black in the shadows) where I get almost zero noise, chillie relleno seems almost unusable...do you think this is just because the a7iii is a far better low light camera compared to the a6500? Also FWIW, even the make art now profile looks pretty bad in 1080 120.
interesting thanks for sharing. maybe the processing is different, sensor definitely is.
curious about cookie dough
@@GeoffreyGonzales I will try cookie dough and report results...thanks for the quick reply!
@doughnut shop cookie dough looks equally as noisy if not more...but maybe since it's a flatter profile some of it can be crushed into the blacks in post...it must be an a6500 thing because the results in your video look fantastic!
Stolen Coats yeah it should be pulled down a bit
What would you recommend for night life video? I was thinking to shoot in HLG3 on my sony a7riii. But now I'm not too sure.
if it’s well lit enough to keep it under 4000-6400 iso then hlog3 is fine
How do you convert the color space in post? I'm not finding some of the color gamuts in resolve so it leaves me stumped on what to do
Simply Simon cine 1 uses a 709 color space, so there’s not conversion of that
i grade cookie dough manually
5:03
doughnut shop ah ok thanks for the reply. I’m trying to switch over to resolve and I feel like understanding colors is way more demanding since there’s so much more to color in resolve than there is in adobe as far as I can tell.
Amazing video! Thank you so much! Why the settings on the description are different from the mentioned in the video?
Thanks in advance!
i made a mistake in the video
@@GeoffreyGonzales ahh OK! Which of the two is the best setting for low light performance for reducing the noise?
@@maxgiaco 4k
@@GeoffreyGonzales? 😅
@@maxgiaco the description
sorry wrong comment
Do you have any tips for good lut packs for the cookie dough pp?
I tried with some luts I have for s-log and it didnt look as good with this one, which is to be expected.
Anyways, been trying low light with the dough profile and it seems very promising, thank you for this.
no luts to suggest sorry. just have to learn how to correct it (5:04), and then on top of that correction tweak it around slightly
@@GeoffreyGonzales Thx for the quick answer :)
Is this pp(cookie dough) suitable for using with a sony a6300?
Any tweaks that needs to be made to fit that camera since I just noticed that this pp is for a7iii?
Thanks.
grabben Grobb i havent tried it for that camera so i don’t know for sure, sorry. probably best to test it out yourself and see how it does
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Good job! With all that knowledge, what profile/settings would you use for astro/stars?
BuzzWorthy if it’s time lapse take raw stills because it’ll be less noisy. if it’s video of stars (when would you do this?) then cookie dough
@@GeoffreyGonzales Thank you. I do take raw stills but I am just wondering what picture profile will provide the best light gathering with the least noise. Thanks again.
BuzzWorthy if you’re taking images , it does not matter what profile you’re using if you shoot raw
@@GeoffreyGonzales- Thank you. I just watched a Gerald Undone video where he went through and tested that theory that PP does not effect RAW - but come to find out the RAW photos are effected by the Gamma of the PP. I have not done any testing after watching that video but Gerald's limited testing showed Cine1 was the best light gathering profile. I'll have to does some astro testing if it ever quits snowing in the Rocky Mountains.
BuzzWorthy that’s very interesting. did the gamma effect the overall capture of the images dynamic range or just its starting point? all in all, i would still use cookie dough as it performed the best in a compressed format (for video), but would try bracketing exposure bc im not sure if under / normal / overexposing + pulling - would be the best practice for images. let me know how it goes!
Firtly, thanks for the amazing video.
Is it works on sony a6400?
Lucas Prado pretty sure it’s better than the settings out of the box; the color and processing are probably a little different (maybe 1-5% maybe), but again it’s very likely better than just using the standard settings. best thing to do is to try it in a dark bedroom or something
@@GeoffreyGonzales I'm going to test it and tell you here. But at the moment, Chili Relleno works better for me. I'm on a 18-105mm f4 with 10000 ISO and the results is great. Going to test more deeply.
Thanks for now!
great video.. just want to ask.. how do i expose cookie dough? do i need to over exposed it +2 stop or not?
generally +1.3
somtimes +0.7
somtimes +1.5
Okay it's too much information for me at onece so if I want to have less notice I have too use still and if I want to see much and have less notice I use what?
the second profile in the description (chili rellino)
Can we get a a7siii one ? 🙏
What luts did you use? I don’t see it in the description
sorry i had to take the selify link down
can email you them if you like tho
can dm me your email @geoffreygonzales
BRO this was so good! loved the shots! Let's chat sometime! I've seen your comments, I'll reply soon.
Joshua Martin Studios yeah man hit me up on ig
geoffreygonzales
amazing work. what was that music in the background?
sports strange to hear