Someone is “cranky” this morning, lol. The detachable crank on my Swat X1 allowed me to hunt after tearing my rotator cuff the second weekend of archery season. I completely agree with everything else, especially the speed difference. We need an industry standard for testing that doesn’t let manufacturers claim higher speed numbers than the bow can produce in real world situations.
Do you like the swat x1, I was thinking of saving money buying the budget c1 but reviews online of deamination and other horrible issues with it pushes me back to tenpoint
Not to mention the +$2000 crossbows that are out there. Buying a rifle at that price point I could see passing on to my kid one day with proper maintenance...I don't care what brand you buy, no crossbow is doing that.
Well some of us are greatful brands like ten point exist I'll gladly pay hella premium for American made and for the resilience and reputable product I love my ten points and I'm picking up a flatline 460 today, the Chinese made shit like swat x1 I just can't do, I've had a Centerpoint blow up on me almost hurt my wife I have ran only ten points since.
Hey bunjie what do you think about the fact that the swat x1 has many many horror stories of deamination and huge issues with the company and warranty of the swat. You love it and I wanted to buy one because of your experience but the reviews say the opposite of you
100% Bullseye Rich! Love this video and every single rant is true! I especially hate the false speed wars the industry plays with their marketing. (And you did it without a single cuss word, which would have been well deserved.) :)
Rich as an older crossbow hunter 64 I was very concerned about pulling back the draw weight at 5 AM possibly injuring my neck or back. The crank on my excalibur Rev X definitely takes the worry out of my mind. You’re still young and strong enough to pull your crossbow with cords. But my friend as you stated are headed there one day. So the crank keeps us older guys out in the woods. Love the video.
Rich, as a young guy, you may have inadvertantly forgotten us older hunters. I have been a stickbow and compound hunter for 50 years, I'm now 81and can no longer practice with a hunting weight compound, due to over use issues in my shouder. Two years ago,I killed my first buck with a crossbow, last year my second, both from the ground. Crossbows are amazing hunting tools and have kept me in the game. Those same shoulder issues as well as a twitchy back make it risky business to use a rope device to cock my Barnett, so I bought a crossbow with a crank cocking device, and it makes it safe and easy to cock without risk of further injury. I hope your hunting days are as long as mine have been. I love your videos and you have been a huge help in my learning curve. Thank you very much.
That's fantastic thanks for reaching out and good luck out there. I definitely think cranks have their place and I see one in my future for sure one way or another.
After two back surgeries the crank is the only thing keeping me in the woods with my crossbow. I can understand how some folks are not fans of them. Every just needs to hunt with what works for there needs. I like your vids. Thanks
Loved this video, you hit the nail on the head, there’s a lot of untruths they try to feed ya, not a great way to sell crossbows, to bad it comes down to the customer to deal with all the stuff they don’t tell you
Models are changing so fast that parts for older models become unavailable too soon. I like holding on to a piece of equipment that I like, maintaining it and keeping it in safe efficient working order.
Rich ! C’mon! You are an ATTORNEY! The Crossbow industry puts out as little information as possible to protect themselves from legal liability and legal repercussions for any claims they make in writing that could be legally ACTIONABLE ! Then may have to HIRE YOU to defend themselves in court ! 😂 ❤ 🏹🦌🏹🐗🏹🦌🏹🐗
Rich, I agree with you on pretty much everything except crossbow cranks. You have commented before that you are 6 feet plus and bending over a crossbow to crank it is probably easy for your stature. However, for me, I'm 5 feet 5, and I have to stand off to the side of the crossbow and pull up at an angle. Not very comfortable or consistent. I also have problems with pinched nerves in my neck and back, not to mention I just had shoulder surgery. I think crossbow companies are taking that situation along with women and children as part of their mass customer base, and we may even have more companies offer cranks as basic model options. I have a Tenpoint stealth and I believe that the crank cocks the crossbow more consistently than I was able to achieve using a cocking rope. I guess everyone has different tastes and needs. I really appreciate your honest opinions and information in your videos. Keep up with the great content!
Totally agree with you about advertised width and the lack of product testing before releasing a new model. I don't agree with you on cranks. I use a separate cocker that I have to attach each time, and it doesn't take that long compared to standing up and attaching the rope cocker. I think anyone who shoots a crossbow due to physical limitations should be using a crank. A rope cocker reduces the pull weight by 50% which is still more than most compound bows.
Another thing is what is the KE at 20 , 30 , 40 and 50 yards that the crossbow in the box with the bolts that it comes with has so I know what is my maximum yardage to kill a deer with a 100gr broad head. I don’t want to figure out how much each part weighs. If you have a crossbow that shoots 350fps and another one that shoots 500 fps there’s a difference in the maximum yards to kill a deer. 😂😂😂 It should help new crossbow hunters out. ❤❤❤ top notch video Rich. ❤❤❤
Great video, Rich! I guess my beef is with the Michigan dnr for banning baiting. The state is doing all kinds of crazy modifications to hunting seasons in order to reduce the deer population (for the auto insurance lobbyists), however, I'm not interested in hunting in January.
Good rant. Also agree with the arrow weights. Heavier arrows are better for the bows in the long run. Speed is great but I don't want to spend more money replacing limbs all the time to just to have it.
I couldn't agree more with the speeds these companies are advertising! I mostly see it from Tenpoint, which is what I hunt with now. The S400, 440, 505.. whatever they call it. As soon as you look at the specs on their website it flat out says they recommend hunting with the Centerpoint X arrows, which are heavier than what they tested to get those fast FPS speeds. Who is buying one of these 1,2, 3, 4 thousand dollar crossbows for target practice and competition?! These are tools for hunters and the company knows that.
Rich they do the same thing with speeds on bows. With a 29 inch draw length and x arrow. Well I am short and have a 27 inch draw length. And cranks I like because of 2 shoulder surgeries after my deployment. I used to use a rope cocker which is faster than the crank. Good video though. I think most have some of the same complaints.
Nailed it. So true. Why lie about the speed? And killer instinct seems to be the worst. I love their crossbows and eventually I want the 430 ft./s but realistically it probably only a little over 400. I wish they were more honest.
HaHa! We, height-challenged guys, find cranks help a lot, but I've managed to hurt my hand twice already since I got a crank on my Wicked Ridge M 370! Time for another "Crossbow Safety" video. That said, my hunting buddy, has killed some 50-plus deer with an old BARNETT Game Crusher, and he cocks it by hand without a rope cocker! Loved all your Pet Peeves Rich!
Bought a killer instinct and 3 shots string broke 😮. I got my 2008 Excalibur back out and hit mark with one shot, sent my first compound back same day!
The thing about cranks I don't like is it is just one more thing to carry into the woods, one more thing to break. If it's integrated it's just more added weight.
I hunt with a tenpoint turbo S1. The acuslide works great. However the crank that is integrated in the crossbows stock. It doesn't add any extra weight. I weighted the crossbow with and without crank. There is no different in weight.
Too much handwringing in general on speed(by manufacturers).Which causes too much handwringing by potential customers. I want quality, reliability, and simplicity. And I’ll glad sacrifice speed to get it. My Axiom is almost old enough to drive, and still has all factory parts and no aftermarket accessories. When that stops producing, then I may consider one of these newer contraptions.
I agree on the draw width uncocked. I don't care what is it when I shoot and need to know my clearance. I need a crank though because of nerve damage in my arm that I am unable to hold and draw the string. My other issue is how difficult they are to carry in the woods and I have a strap that holds to your shoulder but the weight of the crossbow still creeps down so you need to adjust it. Can someone make a mount to hunt in a hang on that is easy to use and you can connect/discoonect easily.
First year crossbow hunting. Shot a nice 8 with a compound last season. Got a Mission SUB-1XR paired with an Oracle X. Think it’s going to be a deadly combo. Would love to see you review a Mission sometime.
I finally converted to the crank. The tenpoint I have has it fully integrated in the rail and its nicer than the pull string now. But the budget crank systems I can't stand. Too many extra steps and quirks. The tenpoint I got was the cheapest one with the integrated crank. My top 5 Pet Peeves are: 1. Inflated FPS numbers 2. Faked weight numbers 3. Janky Stock sliders 4. Lack of maintenance information
Hello sir. I would like to point out that I finally got a chronograph for my new TenPoint Viper s415 (It is a Bass pro and Cabela's exclusive). I am happy to report that the readings from the stock bolts that come with it, which are 400 grain with a 100 grain field point gave me readings of 415, 414, and 416 FPS. Therefore, since those are the bolts that come with it, and 400 grain is still plausible for deer hunting, I'm going to call them honest. Parenthetically, putting on a 125 grain field tip to simulate the mechanical broadhead I want to use lowered the speed readings to 404, 405, 404. Remarkably consistent in any case!
Addendum: My Viper s415 read 395, 396, 395 on the chronograph with 150 grain field tips on it. However your pet peeve is entirely on point with regard to my son's new Killer Instinct vital x430 model that he also got at the Bass pro sale. It read 404 fps with the stock 400 grain arrow it came with. The 150 grain field tips read 376, 376,376 so at least it was consistent.
What a great video. I agree with all the points you discussed. I don’t want to ever rely on a crank to load my crossbow. They can fail and you’re done hunting. I would be 90 miles deep in the Canadian bush with no way to successfully hunt moose. This is the reason I also worry about the Burris scope that you enjoy. If it fails, what is your backup? Sorry, I have been holding that in. Your scope is amazing, but in the deep bush(fly in hunt), simple is KING. Less moving parts. Speed ring scopes fail too. Anyhow, thanks for an excellent Saturday morning video!!!!
@@Deathbybunjie That needs to be a video!!!!!! (I know it’s not your job). I’d love to hear more of your back up plan if the range finder scope fails. If you’ve already done this video, I’m sorry I missed it.
@@carlpowers6040 I actually started drafting the notes for that video, it is a neat topic, there's a few things that people misunderstand about that scope
I want a standard of X weight arrows used to gauge the speed of all crossbows all brands. Think crossbow IBO. If that is 400 gr or whatever, every company should have to use that "standard" weight arrow to gauge their speed. I also want them to give us a number of shots you can expect to get with the "standard" weight arrow on the strings and cables they provide. Venting is good, maybe great! Feeling "cranky" is OK too!
Thanks for watching, I agree 400 would be a lot better, if everybody told us how fast it was with a 400 we could do a lot of really quick calculations to figure out what our Arrow weight would do.
I couldn't agree with you more about the arrow speed thing. There needs to be a standard such as in the compound world where they use the AMO for consistency in advertised speeds. BTW, did someone miss their Dunkin this morning?!?!? 😅
🤣 it sure wasn't me, I never miss my Dunkin' LOL but I think as long as we get our speeds with 400 grain arrows it would be pretty consistent, my plan going forward is the only discuss them in terms of 400 grain arrows
I had a crank for a while but I got rid of it. If by chance you get a second chance shot the crank makes to much noise. The crank mechanism needed to be fooled with a few times because it got out of whack. It served me for a period of time after a cervical operation but when I could finally get rid of it I did.
This was going to be my first season back to archery season, I bought a killer instinct crossbow and was sighting it in when one of the limbs delaminated. I sent it back and was told it would be up to 4 weeks before I get it back. 😢
As an adult onset hunter #5 hits home. Seems like bow and gun manufacturers still assume that we all had a mentor growing up. My dad hunted when I was young but never pushed it on my brother and I as we came of age. Fumbling around with a weapon and scant instructions is dangerous and just bad for the longevity of our sport.
If I had a rant about the crossbow world it would be quality control ….. they should work if u pay money for them but inevitably u hear about consistent problems ….. very few crossbows can be shot repeatedly without problems occurring……. Excalibur and mission sub-1 Are two that r made to shoot
One of my biggest pet peeves is joining a Facebook group where everyone complains and is all negative about the crossbow they own, if you don't like it, get a different brand and leave the group
Bunjie the reason why they don't want you to maintain is simple. If you can maintain why would you buy another? Honestly a sub $400 xbow is kinda expendable when a string runs $125 to $185 to $215. Depending on the grade of string. But I reversed my thinking as my amped 415 was squared away. I replaced with the middle of the road string.. Had a bubble level on it for 4 years now. I use killer instinct speed dial scope. II zero with a 3/4 8nch sticker dot. I put bolt 1 thru center and ensure bolt 2 and 3 are close to their corresponding dots at 20 yards apex of chevron. Then walk it out to 40 yards and use the dial to make poi hit with the 40 the top of 2nd dot in scope.. I usually shoot deer this side of 30 yards. A couple further and most alot closer. I shoot from 19 feet up. I use a single point sling and tree saddle. Basically its homeworked. I zero. Then kill deer. No sessions because its wear and tear on the string. Come to find out my older xbow is better than the Centerpoint 425 as it has timing issues as it shoots harder than it should. My xbow runs 380 fps 400 grns plenty for whitetail.
Personally and of course I’m not gonna make anyone agree with me is that cranks allow you cock the crossbow while in prone, I have tried every which way without one and it’s not really possible. I do not feel a crank is necessary for blind or tree stand hunting but while in prone it’s the only effective way to actually cock a crossbow.
I have no choice. My Barnett sled cocker is a man killer, and my neighbor who is a strapping youngster can't rope cock it either. My rant ? Barnett makes you go buy a cocking unit instead of just putting it in the original purchase, just throw another 100 bucks in the price of the thing.
One of my pet peeves - how many models of basically the same thing are necessary? 2024 Killer Instinct Models - Vital X 430 Rapid 420 Swat X1 (405) Fatal X (405) Diesel X (405) Vital X (405) BC 415 Fuel 415 Burner 415 Rval 410 Motive 405 BC 405 Rush 400 Fiery 400 Fierce 405 Boss 405 Lethal 405 Anyone test all 17 offerings in 2024? Pick 6 models & make them extremely well instead! If a few of them above are duds, I don't want to figure that out with my money. I agree with all of your other rants, too!
It's not just crossbows Compound bows r the small way with speed do use the same weight arrow 350 grain for 70 pound bows 300 grain for 60 pound bows and most people hunt with 400 plus grains
I have a Tenpoint Viper S400 and I bought it for 1 reason, so I could uncock it after hunting. I hunt A Lot and shooting it at lunch and shooting it at dark suck !! I've broke so many decocking bolts shooting it at dark into a rock buried under the grass and it's wear and tear on your strings and cables. I love it!! I can pull and cock any crossbow I just want to uncock it safely.
In New York we have an OLD antiquated crossbow law that states we must have a 17 inch width limb tip to limb tip when not cocked. Another part of the law is that we must have a crossbow that does NOT exceed 200 # draw weight. We have been trying to get that law changed every year so we allowed to hunt with most of the modern crossbows!!!
You are correct Rich.Seems I was the victim of my own failure to followup on New Yorks snail like progress on these matters. The bills that would allow for hunters 60 and over to hunt with a crossbow the entire archery seson, as well as the crossbow restrictions passed the senate but not the assembly, so the bills will need to be refiled for the 2025 session.Sorry bout that.
Ha. TenPoint actually has a good RUclips channel with all the dos and don'ts, and there's channels like yours and Wyvern. If you are completely new to crossbows things can be a little confusing. My peeve is more with the State of California and the archeries here which do allow crossbows.
Before you go to number two I also don’t like a crank. It’s extra weight the pain in the butt I’m actually partially paralyzed. Everybody tells me I should have a crank shoot him Barnett, 405. I went to the gym and I had the trainer at the gym show me what muscles I had to work on just so I wouldn’t have to use the crank last year. My hunting partner used to pull it back for me. I was good for one or two times but when we. I needed help so the side in the crossbow but now I’m doing pretty good but there’s no way I’m going to a crank until I really really have to just saying
GET OFF MY LAWN! Or should I say, GET OFF MY 60YD BACKYARD!! My biggest pet peeve is crossbow advertising. "You're next rifle". They push the narrative that anti xbow hunters use.
My Ford F 150 truck gets 50 miles per gallon* * Truck has no seats, 1.0L engine, P185 tires, driver can weigh no more than 120 pounds and no passengers. Enjoy the truck
Cocking aids is nothing new we always had some sort of cranks on heavy draw weight crossbows. The video and training is absolutely ignored with crossbows I was surprised to learn that there’s no more DVD with the Excaliburs or any crossbow it eludes to the illusion that these are “”easy””. My pet peeve with crossbows and archery in general is the stupid speed race. I don’t care how fast a arrow or bolt travels if it’s below the speed of sound I care about weapon durability accuracy if I want speed and long range shooting I’d buy a rifle and get my gun license. Advertising 100 plus yard shooting….. we are modern day crossbows we know these are 400-600 yard weapons now we been doing 150-200 yards in the 100 years war. I would hope we got more accurate but we still shouldn’t be killing animals that far with any archery. And that’s just animal reaction time and power loss down range as well noise. So they should get back to making 50-60 yard scopes keep them less busy on the reticles and internal optics. 60 was fine with the DLX but when you get to the 100 yard scopes it gets really busy and confusing. Also harder to get accurate because you almost start with a 400 fps configurations. I shoot 285 with 600 grains lol. That’s well below most speed rings capabilities. Even with the lightest arrow I am 330 by excalibur. Still under the 400 and also now losing the reliability.
@@Deathbybunjie good to know but also way out of my price range but that does seem like the only scope that will be around soon. Built in level, built in range finder, works on all crossbows ignoring speed rings. Accurate to 100 yards as well. Also lifetime warranty. It will over take the crossbow industry and crossbow sights already new models are coming with this scope as an option. Oh yeah another amazing feature you can have preset multiple types of bolt weights. So if you like to have different weights it will keep that memory stored just make sure to switch over when on a hunt lol.
Someone is “cranky” this morning, lol. The detachable crank on my Swat X1 allowed me to hunt after tearing my rotator cuff the second weekend of archery season. I completely agree with everything else, especially the speed difference. We need an industry standard for testing that doesn’t let manufacturers claim higher speed numbers than the bow can produce in real world situations.
Do you like the swat x1, I was thinking of saving money buying the budget c1 but reviews online of deamination and other horrible issues with it pushes me back to tenpoint
Agree with yours and add PRICES! Some of these brands are absolutely ridiculous! No bow or crossbow should cost over a grand.
That's a good one for sure 👌
That’s why i bought mine second hand, lol.
Not to mention the +$2000 crossbows that are out there. Buying a rifle at that price point I could see passing on to my kid one day with proper maintenance...I don't care what brand you buy, no crossbow is doing that.
Well some of us are greatful brands like ten point exist I'll gladly pay hella premium for American made and for the resilience and reputable product I love my ten points and I'm picking up a flatline 460 today, the Chinese made shit like swat x1 I just can't do, I've had a Centerpoint blow up on me almost hurt my wife I have ran only ten points since.
Hey bunjie what do you think about the fact that the swat x1 has many many horror stories of deamination and huge issues with the company and warranty of the swat. You love it and I wanted to buy one because of your experience but the reviews say the opposite of you
100% Bullseye Rich! Love this video and every single rant is true! I especially hate the false speed wars the industry plays with their marketing. (And you did it without a single cuss word, which would have been well deserved.) :)
Rich does the most polite "RANTS" ever lol.
Rich as an older crossbow hunter 64 I was very concerned about pulling back the draw weight at 5 AM possibly injuring my neck or back. The crank on my excalibur Rev X definitely takes the worry out of my mind. You’re still young and strong enough to pull your crossbow with cords. But my friend as you stated are headed there one day. So the crank keeps us older guys out in the woods. Love the video.
Rich, as a young guy, you may have inadvertantly forgotten us older hunters. I have been a stickbow and compound hunter for 50 years, I'm now 81and can no longer practice with a hunting weight compound, due to over use issues in my shouder. Two years ago,I killed my first buck with a crossbow, last year my second, both from the ground. Crossbows are amazing hunting tools and have kept me in the game. Those same shoulder issues as well as a twitchy back make it risky business to use a rope device to cock my Barnett, so I bought a crossbow with a crank cocking device, and it makes it safe and easy to cock without risk of further injury. I hope your hunting days are as long as mine have been. I love your videos and you have been a huge help in my learning curve. Thank you very much.
That's fantastic thanks for reaching out and good luck out there. I definitely think cranks have their place and I see one in my future for sure one way or another.
This will be my first year to hunt with a crossbow. I’ve watched most of your videos to help get me prepared. Thank you DBB!
Good deal, I wish you the best!
I love the rich wilson rants lol
Exactly all this, spot on sir. Stated velocity vs. actual velocity, all seem to be fudging except Ravin. -W. Liggett
After two back surgeries the crank is the only thing keeping me in the woods with my crossbow. I can understand how some folks are not fans of them. Every just needs to hunt with what works for there needs. I like your vids. Thanks
100% cranks have their place I agree.
Loved this video, you hit the nail on the head, there’s a lot of untruths they try to feed ya, not a great way to sell crossbows, to bad it comes down to the customer to deal with all the stuff they don’t tell you
Models are changing so fast that parts for older models become unavailable too soon. I like holding on to a piece of equipment that I like, maintaining it and keeping it in safe efficient working order.
Another good one!
Great Rant, Rich! You pretty much nailed all the important points.
Love this video as crossbow enthusiasts we all think the same way fantastic rants
Rich, it always helps to vent a little, I really appreciate all you do.
I appreciate that
Rich, really helps too vent a little, you do such a great job, I appreciate everything you do.
I agree 100% about the speed..I want to know the fps with the arrow/bolt that comes in the box.Another good one Rich.
Amen. I hate the lack of instructional stuff that comes with crossbows. Also the misrepresented speeds.
"For every model of crossbow they release they should have a video series explaining everything that crossbow requires"
Best idea ever.
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Rich ! C’mon!
You are an ATTORNEY! The Crossbow industry puts out as little information as possible to protect themselves from legal liability and legal repercussions for any claims they make in writing that could be legally ACTIONABLE ! Then may have to HIRE YOU to defend themselves in court ! 😂 ❤
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I agree with all 4 peeves. Good rant!
Sorry mistyped, all SIX peeves.
LOL that's great, I can't count anyway it doesn't matter haha
Rich, I agree with you on pretty much everything except crossbow cranks. You have commented before that you are 6 feet plus and bending over a crossbow to crank it is probably easy for your stature. However, for me, I'm 5 feet 5, and I have to stand off to the side of the crossbow and pull up at an angle. Not very comfortable or consistent. I also have problems with pinched nerves in my neck and back, not to mention I just had shoulder surgery. I think crossbow companies are taking that situation along with women and children as part of their mass customer base, and we may even have more companies offer cranks as basic model options. I have a Tenpoint stealth and I believe that the crank cocks the crossbow more consistently than I was able to achieve using a cocking rope. I guess everyone has different tastes and needs.
I really appreciate your honest opinions and information in your videos. Keep up with the great content!
I definitely agree with you, Genevieve is not tall enough but is strong enough, just runs out of height lol
This is a great video. Maybe your best ever !
Put pressure on these manufacturers 😮
Totally agree with you about advertised width and the lack of product testing before releasing a new model. I don't agree with you on cranks. I use a separate cocker that I have to attach each time, and it doesn't take that long compared to standing up and attaching the rope cocker. I think anyone who shoots a crossbow due to physical limitations should be using a crank. A rope cocker reduces the pull weight by 50% which is still more than most compound bows.
I agree 100% cranks do have their place. I just resisted them for my crossbows. But I know they're coming for me one way or another.
Another thing is what is the KE at 20 , 30 , 40 and 50 yards that the crossbow in the box with the bolts that it comes with has so I know what is my maximum yardage to kill a deer with a 100gr broad head. I don’t want to figure out how much each part weighs. If you have a crossbow that shoots 350fps and another one that shoots 500 fps there’s a difference in the maximum yards to kill a deer. 😂😂😂 It should help new crossbow hunters out. ❤❤❤ top notch video Rich. ❤❤❤
Great video, Rich! I guess my beef is with the Michigan dnr for banning baiting. The state is doing all kinds of crazy modifications to hunting seasons in order to reduce the deer population (for the auto insurance lobbyists), however, I'm not interested in hunting in January.
Great points Rich.
Good rant. Also agree with the arrow weights. Heavier arrows are better for the bows in the long run. Speed is great but I don't want to spend more money replacing limbs all the time to just to have it.
I agree with you on the cranks...I just sold an Excalibur crossbow with a crank...just didn't ever get use to it
I couldn't agree more with the speeds these companies are advertising! I mostly see it from Tenpoint, which is what I hunt with now. The S400, 440, 505.. whatever they call it. As soon as you look at the specs on their website it flat out says they recommend hunting with the Centerpoint X arrows, which are heavier than what they tested to get those fast FPS speeds. Who is buying one of these 1,2, 3, 4 thousand dollar crossbows for target practice and competition?! These are tools for hunters and the company knows that.
Rich they do the same thing with speeds on bows. With a 29 inch draw length and x arrow. Well I am short and have a 27 inch draw length. And cranks I like because of 2 shoulder surgeries after my deployment. I used to use a rope cocker which is faster than the crank. Good video though. I think most have some of the same complaints.
Nailed it. So true. Why lie about the speed? And killer instinct seems to be the worst. I love their crossbows and eventually I want the 430 ft./s but realistically it probably only a little over 400. I wish they were more honest.
HaHa! We, height-challenged guys, find cranks help a lot, but I've managed to hurt my hand twice already since I got a crank on my Wicked Ridge M 370! Time for another "Crossbow Safety" video. That said, my hunting buddy, has killed some 50-plus deer with an old BARNETT Game Crusher, and he cocks it by hand without a rope cocker! Loved all your Pet Peeves Rich!
I hate cranks too! I use a rope sled on my ten point .. thankfully I use the same ten point m1 turbo from 5 years ago …
Right on love this guy,and they tell you void warrenty if you dont use there items,bullcrap
Good one!
Bought a killer instinct and 3 shots string broke 😮. I got my 2008 Excalibur back out and hit mark with one shot, sent my first compound back same day!
Spot on ,keeping it 100
The thing about cranks I don't like is it is just one more thing to carry into the woods, one more thing to break. If it's integrated it's just more added weight.
I hunt with a tenpoint turbo S1. The acuslide works great. However the crank that is integrated in the crossbows stock. It doesn't add any extra weight. I weighted the crossbow with and without crank. There is no different in weight.
Too much handwringing in general on speed(by manufacturers).Which causes too much handwringing by potential customers. I want quality, reliability, and simplicity. And I’ll glad sacrifice speed to get it. My Axiom is almost old enough to drive, and still has all factory parts and no aftermarket accessories. When that stops producing, then I may consider one of these newer contraptions.
I agree on the draw width uncocked. I don't care what is it when I shoot and need to know my clearance. I need a crank though because of nerve damage in my arm that I am unable to hold and draw the string. My other issue is how difficult they are to carry in the woods and I have a strap that holds to your shoulder but the weight of the crossbow still creeps down so you need to adjust it. Can someone make a mount to hunt in a hang on that is easy to use and you can connect/discoonect easily.
First year crossbow hunting. Shot a nice 8 with a compound last season. Got a Mission SUB-1XR paired with an Oracle X. Think it’s going to be a deadly combo. Would love to see you review a Mission sometime.
2020 that was part of the reviews we did back then, shot one at a local shop and everything
I finally converted to the crank. The tenpoint I have has it fully integrated in the rail and its nicer than the pull string now. But the budget crank systems I can't stand. Too many extra steps and quirks. The tenpoint I got was the cheapest one with the integrated crank.
My top 5 Pet Peeves are:
1. Inflated FPS numbers
2. Faked weight numbers
3. Janky Stock sliders
4. Lack of maintenance information
Where #5? Lol
@@Deathbybunjie Apparently my math is as good as yours 😂
I have never had a deer complain about a bolt hitting it at less than advertised speed!
Ahhhhh good point
Agree, simply put, marketing and money savings on the part of the crossbow companies!!
Really good
Hello sir. I would like to point out that I finally got a chronograph for my new TenPoint Viper s415 (It is a Bass pro and Cabela's exclusive). I am happy to report that the readings from the stock bolts that come with it, which are 400 grain with a 100 grain field point gave me readings of 415, 414, and 416 FPS. Therefore, since those are the bolts that come with it, and 400 grain is still plausible for deer hunting, I'm going to call them honest. Parenthetically, putting on a 125 grain field tip to simulate the mechanical broadhead I want to use lowered the speed readings to 404, 405, 404. Remarkably consistent in any case!
Awesome!
Addendum: My Viper s415 read 395, 396, 395 on the chronograph with 150 grain field tips on it. However your pet peeve is entirely on point with regard to my son's new Killer Instinct vital x430 model that he also got at the Bass pro sale. It read 404 fps with the stock 400 grain arrow it came with. The 150 grain field tips read 376, 376,376 so at least it was consistent.
What a great video. I agree with all the points you discussed.
I don’t want to ever rely on a crank to load my crossbow. They can fail and you’re done hunting. I would be 90 miles deep in the Canadian bush with no way to successfully hunt moose.
This is the reason I also worry about the Burris scope that you enjoy. If it fails, what is your backup?
Sorry, I have been holding that in. Your scope is amazing, but in the deep bush(fly in hunt), simple is KING. Less moving parts. Speed ring scopes fail too.
Anyhow, thanks for an excellent Saturday morning video!!!!
For what it's worth the Burris does have fixed reticles, also.
@@Deathbybunjie That needs to be a video!!!!!! (I know it’s not your job). I’d love to hear more of your back up plan if the range finder scope fails. If you’ve already done this video, I’m sorry I missed it.
@@carlpowers6040 I actually started drafting the notes for that video, it is a neat topic, there's a few things that people misunderstand about that scope
@@Deathbybunjie Excellent, I can’t wait. God, I love crossbow hunting. Enjoy your weekend!
I want a standard of X weight arrows used to gauge the speed of all crossbows all brands. Think crossbow IBO. If that is 400 gr or whatever, every company should have to use that "standard" weight arrow to gauge their speed. I also want them to give us a number of shots you can expect to get with the "standard" weight arrow on the strings and cables they provide.
Venting is good, maybe great! Feeling "cranky" is OK too!
Thanks for watching, I agree 400 would be a lot better, if everybody told us how fast it was with a 400 we could do a lot of really quick calculations to figure out what our Arrow weight would do.
Have to get on the ole soapbox sometimes It’s healthy to rant😎
I couldn't agree with you more about the arrow speed thing. There needs to be a standard such as in the compound world where they use the AMO for consistency in advertised speeds. BTW, did someone miss their Dunkin this morning?!?!? 😅
🤣 it sure wasn't me, I never miss my Dunkin' LOL but I think as long as we get our speeds with 400 grain arrows it would be pretty consistent, my plan going forward is the only discuss them in terms of 400 grain arrows
Wow, did someone not get their daily morning iced coffee? Just kidding, all good points Rich
Or maybe too much iced coffee haha
I had a crank for a while but I got rid of it. If by chance you get a second chance shot the crank makes to much noise. The crank mechanism needed to be fooled with a few times because it got out of whack. It served me for a period of time after a cervical operation but when I could finally get rid of it I did.
Carry a rope device for a second shot.
This was going to be my first season back to archery season, I bought a killer instinct crossbow and was sighting it in when one of the limbs delaminated. I sent it back and was told it would be up to 4 weeks before I get it back. 😢
Well that stinks
I feel the same way about lawn mower engines. I don't care about the cubic inches, I want to know the friggin horse power.
Yes!!
Lol the "draw effort" thing you say reminds me of the weather app on my phone. When it says "feels like" 😂 I just want to know the damn temperature
💯 I know, right?
As an adult onset hunter #5 hits home. Seems like bow and gun manufacturers still assume that we all had a mentor growing up. My dad hunted when I was young but never pushed it on my brother and I as we came of age. Fumbling around with a weapon and scant instructions is dangerous and just bad for the longevity of our sport.
I agree, if I had a crossbow company I would have a videographer just making videos all the time about how to be successful with our gear
Wait till you hurt shoulder
If I had a rant about the crossbow world it would be quality control ….. they should work if u pay money for them but inevitably u hear about consistent problems ….. very few crossbows can be shot repeatedly without problems occurring……. Excalibur and mission sub-1
Are two that r made to shoot
I don't like cranks either. Just more crap to remember. My rope cocker lives on my mag 340
One of my biggest pet peeves is joining a Facebook group where everyone complains and is all negative about the crossbow they own, if you don't like it, get a different brand and leave the group
Bunjie the reason why they don't want you to maintain is simple. If you can maintain why would you buy another? Honestly a sub $400 xbow is kinda expendable when a string runs $125 to $185 to $215. Depending on the grade of string. But I reversed my thinking as my amped 415 was squared away. I replaced with the middle of the road string.. Had a bubble level on it for 4 years now. I use killer instinct speed dial scope. II zero with a 3/4 8nch sticker dot. I put bolt 1 thru center and ensure bolt 2 and 3 are close to their corresponding dots at 20 yards apex of chevron. Then walk it out to 40 yards and use the dial to make poi hit with the 40 the top of 2nd dot in scope.. I usually shoot deer this side of 30 yards. A couple further and most alot closer. I shoot from 19 feet up. I use a single point sling and tree saddle. Basically its homeworked. I zero. Then kill deer. No sessions because its wear and tear on the string. Come to find out my older xbow is better than the Centerpoint 425 as it has timing issues as it shoots harder than it should. My xbow runs 380 fps 400 grns plenty for whitetail.
That sure is a sweet set up 100%
Personally and of course I’m not gonna make anyone agree with me is that cranks allow you cock the crossbow while in prone, I have tried every which way without one and it’s not really possible. I do not feel a crank is necessary for blind or tree stand hunting but while in prone it’s the only effective way to actually cock a crossbow.
Excalibur sent out dvd in 2008 on my Phoenix crossbow
My 2010 Axiom did not come with one although I have seen those DVD videos on RUclips
Well, I’m glad you got that off your chest…
My pet peavey is that there is not enough emphasis on durability.
Good point.
Yessir ❤
I have no choice. My Barnett sled cocker is a man killer, and my neighbor who is a strapping youngster can't rope cock it either. My rant ? Barnett makes you go buy a cocking unit instead of just putting it in the original purchase, just throw another 100 bucks in the price of the thing.
I bought my Barnett Whitetail Hunter STR with crank, for 350 bucks brand new in box on Ebay.A heck of a deal, and worth every penny.
One of my pet peeves - how many models of basically the same thing are necessary?
2024 Killer Instinct Models -
Vital X 430
Rapid 420
Swat X1 (405)
Fatal X (405)
Diesel X (405)
Vital X (405)
BC 415
Fuel 415
Burner 415
Rval 410
Motive 405
BC 405
Rush 400
Fiery 400
Fierce 405
Boss 405
Lethal 405
Anyone test all 17 offerings in 2024? Pick 6 models & make them extremely well instead! If a few of them above are duds, I don't want to figure that out with my money.
I agree with all of your other rants, too!
I hear that! Even the most die-hard Killer Instinct fan can't keep all those straight lol
It's not just crossbows
Compound bows r the small way with speed do use the same weight arrow 350 grain for 70 pound bows 300 grain for 60 pound bows and most people hunt with 400 plus grains
I have a Tenpoint Viper S400 and I bought it for 1 reason, so I could uncock it after hunting. I hunt A Lot and shooting it at lunch and shooting it at dark suck !! I've broke so many decocking bolts shooting it at dark into a rock buried under the grass and it's wear and tear on your strings and cables. I love it!! I can pull and cock any crossbow I just want to uncock it safely.
In New York we have an OLD antiquated crossbow law that states we must have a 17 inch width limb tip to limb tip when not cocked. Another part of the law is that we must have a crossbow that does NOT exceed 200 # draw weight. We have been trying to get that law changed every year so we allowed to hunt with most of the modern crossbows!!!
I know, it's frustrating, I live 20 minutes from New York state. I would love to hunt there but I go 5 hours to Maryland instead go figure.
They have recinded both those goofy laws as of 2024.
@@jimaureli6475 are you sure about that? A review of the dec website still has both regulations listed.
You are correct Rich.Seems I was the victim of my own failure to followup on New Yorks snail like progress on these matters. The bills that would allow for hunters 60 and over to hunt with a crossbow the entire archery seson, as well as the crossbow restrictions passed the senate but not the assembly, so the bills will need to be refiled for the 2025 session.Sorry bout that.
@jimaureli6475 no worries maybe someday soon!!
Wit my hunting set up I get about 350 not the 400 that is advertised
Complaints I have had for a long while. Very vague information for the sake of sales.
Ha. TenPoint actually has a good RUclips channel with all the dos and don'ts, and there's channels like yours and Wyvern. If you are completely new to crossbows things can be a little confusing. My peeve is more with the State of California and the archeries here which do allow crossbows.
California doesn't consider crossbows as archery can you believe that you can't use a crossbow except in rifle season
Speeds should be calculated with a 500 grain arrow by the makers of these things, then there is no argument or bamboozle number.
I would like to see a Chinese crossbow with limbs that were made in the USA
That's what I call ironic 😁
Before you go to number two I also don’t like a crank. It’s extra weight the pain in the butt I’m actually partially paralyzed. Everybody tells me I should have a crank shoot him Barnett, 405. I went to the gym and I had the trainer at the gym show me what muscles I had to work on just so I wouldn’t have to use the crank last year. My hunting partner used to pull it back for me. I was good for one or two times but when we. I needed help so the side in the crossbow but now I’m doing pretty good but there’s no way I’m going to a crank until I really really have to just saying
That's an interesting story, I wish you the absolute best.
I would NOT want a crossbow with a crank!
I have to use a cocker with my crossbow I have arthritis in my shoulders Android rotator cuff
Yep, as an old hunter, I feel your pain and the appreciation for the crank.
GET OFF MY LAWN! Or should I say, GET OFF MY 60YD BACKYARD!!
My biggest pet peeve is crossbow advertising. "You're next rifle". They push the narrative that anti xbow hunters use.
Yeah I really don't like that either, I understand it's to get rifle Hunters to cross over but come on it does create unrealistic expectations
Yep,The New York Bowhunters assoc. has been using that to keep crossbows illegal here for decades.@@Deathbybunjie
My Ford F 150 truck gets 50 miles per gallon*
* Truck has no seats, 1.0L engine, P185 tires, driver can weigh no more than 120 pounds and no passengers.
Enjoy the truck
🤣😂😁 I had to think about that one for a second LOL but that's great
Is that bear watching tv?
😁
Why do they have to have a fast crossbow doesn't og work sounds it kills animals just wondering . The your videos very much thank you
400 fps does 30 yards better than 300 fps does 20 yards.
Hilarious
😂😂 don't be cranky😂
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Cocking aids is nothing new we always had some sort of cranks on heavy draw weight crossbows.
The video and training is absolutely ignored with crossbows I was surprised to learn that there’s no more DVD with the Excaliburs or any crossbow it eludes to the illusion that these are “”easy””.
My pet peeve with crossbows and archery in general is the stupid speed race.
I don’t care how fast a arrow or bolt travels if it’s below the speed of sound I care about weapon durability accuracy if I want speed and long range shooting I’d buy a rifle and get my gun license.
Advertising 100 plus yard shooting….. we are modern day crossbows we know these are 400-600 yard weapons now we been doing 150-200 yards in the 100 years war.
I would hope we got more accurate but we still shouldn’t be killing animals that far with any archery.
And that’s just animal reaction time and power loss down range as well noise.
So they should get back to making 50-60 yard scopes keep them less busy on the reticles and internal optics.
60 was fine with the DLX but when you get to the 100 yard scopes it gets really busy and confusing. Also harder to get accurate because you almost start with a 400 fps configurations. I shoot 285 with 600 grains lol.
That’s well below most speed rings capabilities. Even with the lightest arrow I am 330 by excalibur. Still under the 400 and also now losing the reliability.
Burris Oracle X! Single pin! 😆 sorry I couldn't help myself
@@Deathbybunjie good to know but also way out of my price range but that does seem like the only scope that will be around soon. Built in level, built in range finder, works on all crossbows ignoring speed rings. Accurate to 100 yards as well. Also lifetime warranty.
It will over take the crossbow industry and crossbow sights already new models are coming with this scope as an option.
Oh yeah another amazing feature you can have preset multiple types of bolt weights. So if you like to have different weights it will keep that memory stored just make sure to switch over when on a hunt lol.
No cranks I'll keep on pulling. Cranks not for me. 🦌🦌🦌🦌🦌 I'll stick with old school
LOL, well you may see that differently if you stick with crossbow hunting into your 80s. I did.