Gregor, thanks for responding, nice to meet you, I follow you in all your videos. I have another problem with the Prophet II, air is blowing through the barrel and it seems that the valve was defective. I requested the RTI representative in Chile and they sent me the new redesigned valve. That would be the air loss problem. I send you a mail A hug.
Many thanks for your time and effort! Your videos are very helpful. Would you be able to share what parts are most wearable and what spares should be obtained preferably? Thanks!👍
o-rings are the obvious answer, maybe the one on the pellet pusher and the one in the pressure assisted valve cylinder. Other than that, maybe a spare pressure assisted valve... This is not something that I needed to replace so far but it is just my estimation.
@@gregorkamensek3923Hi, Gregor! Would you be able to give an advice if the gun could be stored under pressure and how long the valves could keep the pressure of the bottle if the pressure is not released. Does it present any danger for the valves or rings? Thanks!
@@raincloud1898 Most PCP are recommended to be stored under pressure. There is no danger and if all seals are working properly, they should hold the pressure for "indefinitely" long.
Hi Gregor When using pliers to undo tube and rods, have tried using gaffer tape or electrical insulating tape? This should give you enough grip and minimise scratching the surface. Great video and very informative. Wayne
@@gregorkamensek3923 Hi Gregor Thanks for the reply. The only prob I could see using a vice, with grips, is that it’s easy too over tighten and distort tube!
@@wsd4095 Uf, trust me, there is not a vice on the world that would distort this tube :) This tube is steel with outer wall of about 10 mm and inner of about 4 mm (I don't know the exact measurements from my head), This means that it has wall thickens of about 3 mm! You will not distort the tube, even if you use steel to steel contact (without rubber). Definitely no worries there.
Hi Gregor, very intuitive video but could you tell us what is the purpose of the check valve/ one way valve, and why was it installed if its not necessarily needed? Cheers
Great Video, thanks! What is the purpose of this one way valve (16:34), i.e., why does RTI put it in? What are the consequences of leaving it out? Are there any drawbacks?
The purpose is to be able to replace the bottle without draining the plenum. You can put it out, if you like, there will be no downsides except that you will loose the air in the plenum if you remove the bottle...
Just had a thought about the balanced valve and issues they always have. How have RTI overcome the almost guaranteed 'Stiction' issue a balanced valve has? Especially with a single O-Ring seal in the return chamber. Have you had any issues with this or is it still early days?
I have used these kind of valves for many years now and RTI also tested this valve for one year before releasing P2. The stiction is not an issue as the opening of the valve is in the direction the pressure is pushing the valve anyway. This also means that the o-ring is not prone to wear as the first move of the valve (when the o-ring is under max differential pressure) is always on the direction where the pressure forcing it anyway. This goes for opening as well as closing the valve. BTW: the double o-ring is a terrible idea for virtually any application. All the force/stress is on the first o-ring anyway, so the 2nd o-ring is redundant anyway but in a case where 1st one o-ring leaks a bit of air during the pressure change and the 2nd one holds it, then you can get trapped pressure between the o-rings and then you really have problems with stiction. I even do not like double o-rings for applications with stationary parts such as cylinder end caps as this trapped pressure can also happen there and you can have problems when you want to disassemble that part and you need to use brutal amount of force...
@@gregorkamensek3923 Many thanks for your reply and explanation. What you say seems reasonable but would you upload a few close-up pictures of the balanced valve so we can better see what you have said? I'm sure many out there would be extremely interested in coming to a conclusion about this rifle. Perhaps even modifying this video a small amount showing a good quality close-up of the valve and rotating VERY slowly so we are able to visualize the RTI valve. Having problems with that valve in such a position would drive the user absolutely nuts to need dismantling the rifle to that degree for a simple leaky/torn o-ring. Thanks.
@@redgum1340 I might do that in the follow up video. There are many of my videos already explaining the operation of this valve as I have modified most of my ariguns with this kind of valve (Daystate, ShinSung, Edgun R5). The purpose of those two videos are not to explain how the valve operates but rather the full assembly and disassembly of the gun.
@@gregorkamensek3923 I've seen you show brief descriptions of this valve but we were hoping that you might do a well detailed version of this valve showing nice close-ups of how the valve is constructed. That would make us consider this rifle as no one likes PCP's that leak. Hope you understand 🙂
Isn't that kind of balance valve design will waste some air because high pressure air that seated the valve will be released to the barrel long after pellet already accelerated toward the muzzle...??? That seating air should giving no use of pushing the pellet...
Shure is you consider roughly 0,2 cubic centimeters as a waste :) On a serious note, this volume is negligible, the upsides of the valve outweigh the downside by orders of magnitude and you end up using less air for same energy output. These upsides are that the valve opens extremely fast, is then opened for a period of time and then closes also very fast. This gives almost square (discreet) function of the valve. The regular valve has more of a sine function (1st half of the period) and because of this, it limits the air flow in the beginning as well as in the end. This is also a waste of air, especially in the end where there is still air leaking in the barrel but this air does not contribute to the projectile velocity.
LOL, actually, I struggle with my memory all my life, I forget names, dates,... But when it comes to mechanical/electrical or general physics, I somehow manage although not by memory but by association... Anyway, most of those screws are different and would not fit if I picked up the wrong one...
Have you got a video on how to take the check valve out of a priest 2 my gun has lost power a few times then it’s been ok is it possible for the check valve to stick. Much appreciated. Richard
Hi. Unfortunately, I did not make a video for Priest 2 but the guns are virtually the same, the big difference is that Prophet 2 and 3 have pressure assisted valve...
Hello, regarding the assisted valve, do you think RTI Priest 2 Performance set has it too? I know that Priest 2 doesnt have one but I'm curious with the extension plenum on the performance set will also include the assisted valve?
This is one way valve and yes, it is OK to remove it. It is there primarily to allow you to remove the bottle and still have pressure in the plenum. It is generally not needed, especially in the P2 since it does not have tethered shooting option anymore. It is now only useful if you have the regular version of P2 and if you want to remove the bottle and still have the air in the bottle as well as in the gun. The performance version (adjustable reg.) does not have the one way valve in the bottle so if you do this, then the air will vent from the bottle so this valve in the gun does not make any sense anymore...
Good evening Gregor one question if I never unscrew the bottle, can I remove the small spring and plastic tip even on priest 2? Are you sure it don't cause any issue on functions? Thank you
Hello Gregor , I have a question/ problem with my RTI .25 cal prophet. It is 2 yrs old. I have pressure in the rifle but when I press the trigger, I only hear a click. Do you know what I should do to trouble shoot this problem?
Hi. A little more information would be helpful. Did this happen all at once (one day it was working and the second it wasn't anymore). Is it performance model or standard? Do you know the regulated pressure? It could be valve lock if the pressure was much too high or if the hammer spring is too weak... What does the click sound like? Does the hammer move (i assume it does)...
Gregor can you help me with a problem with the safety catch on my RTI Prophet 2, for some reason when I try and put the safety catch on to safety it is not working, have you a video on how to fix this or anything so I can fix this myself. David.
Hi. I assume that the issue is because the you have the 1st stage too short and when you start pulling the trigger, the 2 stage comes before the safety has a chance to engage. What you need to do is remove the right panel and adjust the trigger road a few revolutions outwards (turn it counter clockwise). This will make the first stage longer...
Gregor, I have a puff of air that comes from the magazine area when the gun is fired. I have replaced the probe O ring as well as the ones on the barrel on either side of the transfer port. Any idea what would be causing this?
Hello, Thanks for the video. I have a problem with my Performance Prophet II. I hear some leaking (bubbling). It's coming from the right regulator (which is closer to the bottle). I think the bottle is leaking. What can I do?
Hi. It is quite hard to know what is the problem based on that description. If you have some hand-on knowledge, you can try to find the leak your self and replace the o-ring that is causing it; if not, you can get it to servise shop...
@@raphaelgausterer9460 You can degas the gun and replace the o-ring where the leak is. You can store the gun at any operating pressure (anywhere between the regulator pressure and max bottle pressure 300 bars). In reality, I prefer to store my guns at about 200 bars, simply that in case if there is a regulator failure, the pressure in the plenum will not exceed the current fill.
@@gregorkamensek3923 I disabled the bottle. After checking the right regulator, I started reassembling. I wanted to refill but the air doesn't go into the bottle. It coming through the shroud. Please help me
Hello, I want to explain to you a problem I have with the rti prophet 2. The trigger was adjusted, working without a problem. It was shooting in the morning and when I return in the afternoon it stops engaging. Now I can't adjust it again with the adjustment screws or by releasing the trigger rod. as if the lever that moves the cocking lever did not move back enough, how do I solve it please, thank you
Hm, I have no idea. I cannot say just based on those information. Check if something is blocking the hammer from going fully back. Also check that the trigger mechanism is full functioning. You can remove the but pad plate and take out the hammer and when you reinsert it, you should need to pull the trigger in order for the hammer to go fully forward...
Gregor, I managed to hit the joke, after looking at your rabbit and not seeing anything strange, I looked at the other side at the tab that the hammer rotates. The threaded rod has an Allen screw that serves as a locknut for the threaded rod. It was about three millimeters away. Lazy, what a joy because I'm terrified of messing with the PCP, thanks for your interest. Have you tried the redesigned ones with 28.55 gains? I have only tried them a little because that happened to me and they worked very well for me. Only at 50 I didn't have time for more, greetings@@gregorkamensek3923
Good morning Gregor, I've already hit the joke. Look at your rabbit, I saw that everything was fine. I uncovered the other side. The rod that goes through the socket that drives the hammer has an allen screw that acts as a lock nut. It was loose. It came out about 3 mm. It didn't let it. The action will go to the end, thank you for your interest. Have you tried the new Redesigned ones, there are several that work very well for me, the 28.55 grain ones, I only had time to test them a little at 50m with a magazine and the mismatch thing happened to me, greetings.@@gregorkamensek3923
Excuse me, Gregor, I asked you if I can continue shooting without problems below the regulated pressure, you have answered me, I don't know how to read it, I couldn't read it, and trying it, I have eliminated the answer, help me with the doubt, please.
The standard version of Prophet/Priest do not have adjustable power setting. For that, you would need the Performance version. You have two options: you can get the adjustable regulator and the adjustable but plate for your gun or you can make mods, but these mods are quite complex...
In terms of adjustability, what is written on the web page is the upper limit that can be achieved with relative ease and still have a decent shot count. You can however make mods to the valve (reduce the size of the hole in it) so it stays open longer and you will increase the power even further.
Yes, it does. Mine does not have it yet because it is not the final production version. That o-ring is not that important it just prevents a very small air blowby when you take the shot...
@@gregorkamensek3923 Thank you so much.. I can tell you if you try to put it on the screw it is darn near impossible to get it started. I just push it down to the bottom of the hole and then put the screw in on top of it..
these are super helpful. Thanks for taking the time to do this. I am thinking about an RTI.
Excellent, thanks Gregor 👍.
Your video certainly clarified a few points for me. Especially when coming to reassembly.
Again thanks.
Thanks Gregor !!!
Why did you make us wait so long for this video? !!!
Sorry about that...
Very cool, we need a data bank with all existing air rifles pistols ect, videos like this and the reassembly. 👍🖖
Gregor, thanks for responding, nice to meet you, I follow you in all your videos.
I have another problem with the Prophet II, air is blowing through the barrel and it seems that the valve was defective.
I requested the RTI representative in Chile and they sent me the new redesigned valve.
That would be the air loss problem.
I send you a mail
A hug.
Many thanks for your time and effort! Your videos are very helpful. Would you be able to share what parts are most wearable and what spares should be obtained preferably? Thanks!👍
o-rings are the obvious answer, maybe the one on the pellet pusher and the one in the pressure assisted valve cylinder. Other than that, maybe a spare pressure assisted valve... This is not something that I needed to replace so far but it is just my estimation.
@@gregorkamensek3923Hi, Gregor! Would you be able to give an advice if the gun could be stored under pressure and how long the valves could keep the pressure of the bottle if the pressure is not released. Does it present any danger for the valves or rings? Thanks!
@@raincloud1898 Most PCP are recommended to be stored under pressure. There is no danger and if all seals are working properly, they should hold the pressure for "indefinitely" long.
Hi Gregor
When using pliers to undo tube and rods, have tried using gaffer tape or electrical insulating tape? This should give you enough grip and minimise scratching the surface. Great video and very informative.
Wayne
Not really, at lease not in my case. What probably would work is to put it in a vice with rubber grips...
@@gregorkamensek3923
Hi Gregor
Thanks for the reply. The only prob I could see using a vice, with grips, is that it’s easy too over tighten and distort tube!
@@wsd4095 Uf, trust me, there is not a vice on the world that would distort this tube :) This tube is steel with outer wall of about 10 mm and inner of about 4 mm (I don't know the exact measurements from my head), This means that it has wall thickens of about 3 mm! You will not distort the tube, even if you use steel to steel contact (without rubber). Definitely no worries there.
Would not Small strap wrench work also?
@@Liam-ql7tr It would probably not enable high enough torque, it would probably slip...
Hi Gregor, very intuitive video but could you tell us what is the purpose of the check valve/ one way valve, and why was it installed if its not necessarily needed? Cheers
Great timing! Mine arrives Thursday! LOL
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Great Video, thanks! What is the purpose of this one way valve (16:34), i.e., why does RTI put it in? What are the consequences of leaving it out? Are there any drawbacks?
The purpose is to be able to replace the bottle without draining the plenum. You can put it out, if you like, there will be no downsides except that you will loose the air in the plenum if you remove the bottle...
Great video, thanks
Just had a thought about the balanced valve and issues they always have. How have RTI overcome the almost guaranteed 'Stiction' issue a balanced valve has? Especially with a single O-Ring seal in the return chamber. Have you had any issues with this or is it still early days?
I have used these kind of valves for many years now and RTI also tested this valve for one year before releasing P2. The stiction is not an issue as the opening of the valve is in the direction the pressure is pushing the valve anyway. This also means that the o-ring is not prone to wear as the first move of the valve (when the o-ring is under max differential pressure) is always on the direction where the pressure forcing it anyway. This goes for opening as well as closing the valve. BTW: the double o-ring is a terrible idea for virtually any application. All the force/stress is on the first o-ring anyway, so the 2nd o-ring is redundant anyway but in a case where 1st one o-ring leaks a bit of air during the pressure change and the 2nd one holds it, then you can get trapped pressure between the o-rings and then you really have problems with stiction. I even do not like double o-rings for applications with stationary parts such as cylinder end caps as this trapped pressure can also happen there and you can have problems when you want to disassemble that part and you need to use brutal amount of force...
@@gregorkamensek3923 Many thanks for your reply and explanation. What you say seems reasonable but would you upload a few close-up pictures of the balanced valve so we can better see what you have said? I'm sure many out there would be extremely interested in coming to a conclusion about this rifle. Perhaps even modifying this video a small amount showing a good quality close-up of the valve and rotating VERY slowly so we are able to visualize the RTI valve. Having problems with that valve in such a position would drive the user absolutely nuts to need dismantling the rifle to that degree for a simple leaky/torn o-ring. Thanks.
@@redgum1340 I might do that in the follow up video. There are many of my videos already explaining the operation of this valve as I have modified most of my ariguns with this kind of valve (Daystate, ShinSung, Edgun R5). The purpose of those two videos are not to explain how the valve operates but rather the full assembly and disassembly of the gun.
@@gregorkamensek3923 I've seen you show brief descriptions of this valve but we were hoping that you might do a well detailed version of this valve showing nice close-ups of how the valve is constructed. That would make us consider this rifle as no one likes PCP's that leak. Hope you understand 🙂
Isn't that kind of balance valve design will waste some air because high pressure air that seated the valve will be released to the barrel long after pellet already accelerated toward the muzzle...??? That seating air should giving no use of pushing the pellet...
Shure is you consider roughly 0,2 cubic centimeters as a waste :) On a serious note, this volume is negligible, the upsides of the valve outweigh the downside by orders of magnitude and you end up using less air for same energy output. These upsides are that the valve opens extremely fast, is then opened for a period of time and then closes also very fast. This gives almost square (discreet) function of the valve. The regular valve has more of a sine function (1st half of the period) and because of this, it limits the air flow in the beginning as well as in the end. This is also a waste of air, especially in the end where there is still air leaking in the barrel but this air does not contribute to the projectile velocity.
How do you remember which screws go where? You must have a phenomenal visual memory.
LOL, actually, I struggle with my memory all my life, I forget names, dates,... But when it comes to mechanical/electrical or general physics, I somehow manage although not by memory but by association... Anyway, most of those screws are different and would not fit if I picked up the wrong one...
Im pretty sure you took apart this and put it together 50-100 times.
@@Liam-ql7tr Not really... I did took apart previous version of Prophet probably few times, but this one I did it first time on this video :)
Ha ha yeah I was exaggerating on the numbers. I just knew that you were part of previous models of the prophet priest/etc… in past
@@Liam-ql7tr True...
Nice one 👍
Have you got a video on how to take the check valve out of a priest 2 my gun has lost power a few times then it’s been ok is it possible for the check valve to stick. Much appreciated. Richard
Hi. Unfortunately, I did not make a video for Priest 2 but the guns are virtually the same, the big difference is that Prophet 2 and 3 have pressure assisted valve...
Hi, when i shooting,my prophet 2 have leackage from both trigger screw hole,may u help me to repair it?
Hi Gregor are u ok? how come we do not here from you lately? ;
I'm OK, thanks for asking. I have just been very busy lately.
Hello, regarding the assisted valve, do you think RTI Priest 2 Performance set has it too? I know that Priest 2 doesnt have one but I'm curious with the extension plenum on the performance set will also include the assisted valve?
HI. From my knowledge, no Priest so far had / has assisted valve.
What is the reason for putting something in the rifle that makes it "squeak" ?
If it's ok to remove it anyway?
This is one way valve and yes, it is OK to remove it. It is there primarily to allow you to remove the bottle and still have pressure in the plenum. It is generally not needed, especially in the P2 since it does not have tethered shooting option anymore. It is now only useful if you have the regular version of P2 and if you want to remove the bottle and still have the air in the bottle as well as in the gun. The performance version (adjustable reg.) does not have the one way valve in the bottle so if you do this, then the air will vent from the bottle so this valve in the gun does not make any sense anymore...
Hey what shirt do you have on? Looks interesting.
Hey. It is form an 80's thrash metal band called Toxik. The shirt artwork is form the album "Think this" that I am a huge fan of...
To fit a plenum do you need to drain the air
Yes
Good evening Gregor one question if I never unscrew the bottle, can I remove the small spring and plastic tip even on priest 2? Are you sure it don't cause any issue on functions? Thank you
You are talking bout the one way wall in the connecting hose, right? Yes, absolutely, you can remove it...
@@gregorkamensek3923 Thank you because I will never remove the bottle anyway
What benefit would I get if I install an extension plenum, would I get more shots per fill? Have a .22 btw.
Shot count would be the same, only more power but you don't really need it for .22 cal...
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Hello Gregor , I have a question/ problem with my RTI .25 cal prophet. It is 2 yrs old. I have pressure in the rifle but when I press the trigger, I only hear a click. Do you know what I should do to trouble shoot this problem?
Hi. A little more information would be helpful. Did this happen all at once (one day it was working and the second it wasn't anymore). Is it performance model or standard? Do you know the regulated pressure? It could be valve lock if the pressure was much too high or if the hammer spring is too weak... What does the click sound like? Does the hammer move (i assume it does)...
Gregor can you help me with a problem with the safety catch on my RTI Prophet 2, for some reason when I try and put the safety catch on to safety it is not working, have you a video on how to fix this or anything so I can fix this myself.
David.
Hi. I assume that the issue is because the you have the 1st stage too short and when you start pulling the trigger, the 2 stage comes before the safety has a chance to engage. What you need to do is remove the right panel and adjust the trigger road a few revolutions outwards (turn it counter clockwise). This will make the first stage longer...
Keep waching master
Is this rifle more reliable than a Impact?
I don't own an Impact so I cannot say. P2 has been 100% reliable for me till now.
Gregor, I have a puff of air that comes from the magazine area when the gun is fired. I have replaced the probe O ring as well as the ones on the barrel on either side of the transfer port. Any idea what would be causing this?
Hi. Maybe the air is coming from the screw that holds the barrel. Not sure what version you have but that is possible...
Hello Gregor, Can i remove the barrel without depressurizing the weapon?
Yes, of course.
Hello,
Thanks for the video.
I have a problem with my Performance Prophet II.
I hear some leaking (bubbling). It's coming from the right regulator (which is closer to the bottle). I think the bottle is leaking.
What can I do?
Hi. It is quite hard to know what is the problem based on that description. If you have some hand-on knowledge, you can try to find the leak your self and replace the o-ring that is causing it; if not, you can get it to servise shop...
@@gregorkamensek3923 If I put soap water on the regulator you can see a few small bubbles. The pressure isn't really decreasing, it's really minimal.
@@gregorkamensek3923 another question: at which pressure should I store the Prophet II?
200 bar? Or is that too much?
I'm new into this whole topic
@@raphaelgausterer9460 You can degas the gun and replace the o-ring where the leak is. You can store the gun at any operating pressure (anywhere between the regulator pressure and max bottle pressure 300 bars). In reality, I prefer to store my guns at about 200 bars, simply that in case if there is a regulator failure, the pressure in the plenum will not exceed the current fill.
@@gregorkamensek3923 I disabled the bottle. After checking the right regulator, I started reassembling. I wanted to refill but the air doesn't go into the bottle. It coming through the shroud.
Please help me
Hello, I want to explain to you a problem I have with the rti prophet 2. The trigger was adjusted, working without a problem. It was shooting in the morning and when I return in the afternoon it stops engaging. Now I can't adjust it again with the adjustment screws or by releasing the trigger rod. as if the lever that moves the cocking lever did not move back enough, how do I solve it please, thank you
Hm, I have no idea. I cannot say just based on those information. Check if something is blocking the hammer from going fully back. Also check that the trigger mechanism is full functioning. You can remove the but pad plate and take out the hammer and when you reinsert it, you should need to pull the trigger in order for the hammer to go fully forward...
Gregor, I managed to hit the joke, after looking at your rabbit and not seeing anything strange, I looked at the other side at the tab that the hammer rotates. The threaded rod has an Allen screw that serves as a locknut for the threaded rod. It was about three millimeters away. Lazy, what a joy because I'm terrified of messing with the PCP, thanks for your interest.
Have you tried the redesigned ones with 28.55 gains? I have only tried them a little because that happened to me and they worked very well for me. Only at 50 I didn't have time for more, greetings@@gregorkamensek3923
Good morning Gregor, I've already hit the joke. Look at your rabbit, I saw that everything was fine. I uncovered the other side. The rod that goes through the socket that drives the hammer has an allen screw that acts as a lock nut. It was loose. It came out about 3 mm. It didn't let it. The action will go to the end, thank you for your interest.
Have you tried the new Redesigned ones, there are several that work very well for me, the 28.55 grain ones, I only had time to test them a little at 50m with a magazine and the mismatch thing happened to me, greetings.@@gregorkamensek3923
@@Piupiu68az Hi. I haven't tested the new redesigns yet but I am getting some shortly...
Excuse me, Gregor, I asked you if I can continue shooting without problems below the regulated pressure, you have answered me, I don't know how to read it, I couldn't read it, and trying it, I have eliminated the answer, help me with the doubt, please.
Yes, you can continue shooting without problems below the regulator pressure.
Hi Gregor, how to increase the velocity on the fix regulator? Thanks
The standard version of Prophet/Priest do not have adjustable power setting. For that, you would need the Performance version. You have two options: you can get the adjustable regulator and the adjustable but plate for your gun or you can make mods, but these mods are quite complex...
@@gregorkamensek3923
Thanks answering my question.
Hey. Is it possible to tune these to get more f-p-e than the maximum stated in the specification? i.e more than 100 for the 30cal etc?
In terms of adjustability, what is written on the web page is the upper limit that can be achieved with relative ease and still have a decent shot count. You can however make mods to the valve (reduce the size of the hole in it) so it stays open longer and you will increase the power even further.
Can you tell me if there is suppose to be a small O-ring on the Barrel retention screw??? Thanks
Yes, it does. Mine does not have it yet because it is not the final production version. That o-ring is not that important it just prevents a very small air blowby when you take the shot...
@@gregorkamensek3923 Thank you so much.. I can tell you if you try to put it on the screw it is darn near impossible to get it started. I just push it down to the bottom of the hole and then put the screw in on top of it..