Stellantis stops stocking gasoline vehicles in 14 states - sales go up
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This was GREAT REPORTING 💯👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
As a wrangler owner I also opted not to buy one. The extra weight and poor range after being modified makes it useless added complexity. If you’re going to keep it stock then I think it’s a good buy. For me my Jeep is off-road toy, i use a model 3 for around town commuting.
I drove to my ford dealer to see if my maverick arrived. (42mpg truck)
While looking the lot. I see an entire row of f150s. an entire row of lincoln SUVs and an entire row of Ford SUVs
1 maverick. It was there for a day. My assumption is it was a special order like mine and the customer notified.
Reminds me of 2006 when nobody wanted to buy SUVs because the winter was coming. (the recession)
everyone still remembers $5.00 gas
A lot of Ford dealers are trying to sell their trucks still with markups. They are no longer in short supply but apparently in certain states F-150’s come with $15,000 up charges. People aren’t willing to pay that.
They're sitting there because they're too expensive. Ford is using gas vehicles to subsidize EV sales.
Stellantis has a choice to make. They can start building cars buyers want, or they can go bankrupt. Legacy auto has for years operated under the theory that they can build whatever they want, and if the customer doesn't like the offering, they don't have to buy. None of the automakers has ever asked the consumers what they want. They build it, we take it or leave it. Blueprint for eventual bankruptcy.
Look at the DM's and other legacy MSM revenue comes from. That will give you all you need to know about their position on EVs.
I’d buy a hybrid if I could, but I’m not going to pay a stealership a market adjustment fee for the privilege. Toyota, Honda, Ford, Chevy. All of them trying to dump 4-12k on top of msrp. Who isn’t? Tesla.
Bad cold weather performance and lack of home charging bc many don't own property are 2 large barriers to ev market penetration. Ev ownership can be quite burdensome when you don't have home charging and or needing to drive distance in winter.
You might want to look at Norway, Sweden, Denmark… 80% EVs being sold. They work fine.
There are plenty of people buying electric vehicles in Minnesota. Without a doubt, range and efficiency are reduced in cold weather but they still work fine. If you don't believe me, ask some Minnesotans /who actually own EVs/
OK. A friend in Denver stated he and other Uber drivers had experienced 50% loss of range in snowy 20 degree weather. Perhaps that loss was due to other factors beside cold. Maybe poor traction creates higher losses w EVs vs. ICE.
@@johnhoover7869 Three thoughts. First, some electric cars use heat pumps as heaters and others (especially older models) use resistance heat. The latter is much less efficient and that can mess with your range. Second, even a 50% loss of range is actually not a deal breaker for many people for daily usage--especially for people with second, gas-powered cars they can use for road trips. It never was a problem even for our old Leaf with a resistance heat and crappy 100 mile range. My wife's commute plus other driving simply never exceeded 50 miles. And of course, modern EVs have way more range than that. Third, there are /some/ people who have stupidly long commutes AND only have one car AND like to take road trips AND live in a charging desert. EVs are definitely not for them yet! But they are the exception.
Completely understand heat pump vs resistant heating. My experience was w my Uber driving friend in Denver in March. The amount of time we spent at superchargers while daytriping caused exasperation in the whole group. The general consensus was the Tesla is great except for charging. The inability to charge at home was a serious and costly inconvenience. In the future I imagine more apartments will have level 2 charging. Home charging would obviously be far cheaper and more convenient than a gas station. My friend stated that standard Model 3s would drop below 100 miles range in cold and snow. A very unexpected result as he had to limp to a supercharger w no heat or defrost. Disclaimer I am definitely not anti EV. LOVE my EV scooter!
Hard to believe people want hybrids. Makes no sense especially for Jeep and dodge
There's a good reason why this news paper has gained the nick name "The Daily Fail"!
Hi Sam, hope all going well with you and your family. Sorry you had to find out about theDaily Mail the hard way.
They burn a lot of experts.
14 states. That’s a lot of customers. California alone has more people than the country of Canada. Whoa.
And Australia. And New Zealand. And a few countries in Europe.
Great segment, thank you for sharing and you are 100% correct!
It’s happening faster than anyone but Elon thought…
♥ ♥♥ Sam, best of luck to your family, especially your wife. I hope your return to Australia is happy and successful. Honestly, when you launched your channel, I rolled my eyes and said there is just no more room EV content in our lives. But was I wrong! I love that you cover the broader market, over and above Tesla content. And we don't need any more Tesla fan boy channels.
Thank you so much!
The Jeep Avenger should come here in AWD form. Yes, it would sell. Stellantis is focusing on eVTOL aircraft, Archer.
This was great video 👏
Steallantis wants a $20k premium for the hybrid powertrain - no thanks. Then there is the dubious Chrysler/Stellantis quality (or lack thereof).
7 years is along time and there is a rapidly developing supply chain for EV components in the US, so it does not seem like that heavy a lift.
And as to California banning ICE cars, I doubt that will hold up in court.
As California adjusts to the benefit of clean air and noise pollution level it is more likely that the penalty for starting an internal combustion engine will include a custodial sentence.🤔
I bought my first hybrid, a 2012 KIA Optima, and waited for a chance to get a full electric EV. The KIA was a great car and I never had any trouble with it. As soon as it became economically possible, I bought a used 2015 Tesla Model S and I have never looked back. I still own it and if they stop making Tesla EVs I'll walk or ride a bike!
Pretty obvious that Chrysler is just going to hang on until the Chinese car market gets here and they will sell Chinese cars under American Chrysler names.
The jeep compass is an affordable compact suv. It has something like three years of inventory waiting to be sold! If you want a cheap compass, you can get one. Problem is, they still don't sell. I see lots of gladiators on the lots too. They are pricey and dealers still want msrp for the ones I saw. I assumed they would be thousands off. Nope. ( not that I pressed them for it- just looking and not interested unless they knock 10k off)
The Compass is nothing but a piece of crap Fiat and no one should buy one.
Except the Compass is not an SUV, it's a small jeep-like vehicle that is the least desirable car in Jeep's lineup.
Sam, you are an expert with an analytical gift producing an amazing amount of content.
With Germany developing clean renewable fuel I feel better about buying a gas powered car over electric cars my opinion. I also now Stellantis is testing those fuels with their engines now.
I have a Honda generator.. there is a sticker on it .. the sticker reads.. “ Not to be Sold in California “
Just put these stickers on vehicles.. problem solved 😂
Informative video
Not sure when it goes from 14 to 18 to 22, but it's a one-way street, and there's no turning back. Tick-Tock, Tick-Tock...
It's not permanent.
It's just until they get through the TWO YEAR SUPPLY of current gas vehicles they have.
🤔
I am one of the new Tesla owners and one driven for a few days I will never look back.
What you can just about bet on is that the South will lag behind as always. The thing Jeep will have to SERIOUSLY work on is range. When you are jeeping off road in the middle of freakin' nowhere in the Rocky Mountains, you better have the range to get back no matter how many times you get stuck.
Just don’t go there! Or go by horse or bike. The sense of entitlement to do whatever you want while the rest of the world pays is why ice is being phased out.🤔
@@malcolmrickarby2313 Your answer makes no sense. Why would you buy a vehicle that is less capable than the car it replaces?
In usa EV isn't popular and California is forcing electric vehicles which our grid can't handle.
was just in iceland and pretty much every new model Jeep Wrangler was a PHEV . Also finally saw one of the new electric VW bus very nice, havent seen one in Canada yet
Thanks for this detailed research on what is going on in the US market. From the demand side it seems the USA is where Europe was about 4 or 5 years ago, some believing that PHEVs are 'the answer' before it sinks in that a BEV can do 100% of what 90% of people need from a vehicle. The supply side has not yet caught up (apart from Tesla) with where the market is going. In Europe Stellantis group sell mostly hatchbacks and crossovers and they're doing OK with those, though they are in danger of being eaten alive by the Chinese unless they bring their pricing into line with ICE cars. North America though is what?...Jeep, Dodge, RAM?...there's a challenge.
People are not buying ev’s as their main car. The people I know that do have EV’s do not drive them half as much as the gas car 😂 I bought my DD SRT from Texas, I live in Florida.
Fantastic ❤❤❤❤
Chinese would've absolutely bought up electric Jeeps if they were available. But instead that demand gap is now filled by new makers like BYD, Hiphi, Zeekr, Neta, Xpeng, Nio, LiAuto, GAC, HongQi and dozens more. The crazy thing is that they are all amazing!
Jeep has been dragging their feet for way too long in EV development and now it's too late.
The best 2 CEO 's they ever had were Lee Iacocca and John Ricardo.Anyone after that just went downhill. During their watch they made some incredible vehicles
Bob Lutz did alot of good including the viper and development of the hemi but I can't agree with the joker that started the merger between Mercedes and Chrysler they were better off as a independent
Iacocca both saved and killed Chrysler. Giving it to Bob Eaton because he just didn't like Bob Lutz (probably just because Lutz was smarter) put the last nail in the coffin. Lee finally even admitted as much years later.
Here in the UK, the Daily Mail is known for it’s ability to offer negative comments. Sorry you had to learn the hard way.
There is no room to rest for Tesla and other all EV automakers. The rest of the industry is still working toward the strategy that they can't mandate EV's if we don't make them.
Nice video
Jeep do sell an avenger EV which is getting good press.
So far it's not made for the North American market.
Wow amazing
Some of the Stellantis models have 3 years inventory at current sales rates!
It’s got $57 billion in cash. And a market cap of roughly the same. It has incredible pricing power (Selling less volume but more revenue). $20 billion in free cashflow per year… even if it doesn’t execute a good EV strategy, it’s so cheap it’s irrelevant.
A massive wave is repos has started in the US, electric cars are only keeping up because buyers in that vehicle class are not hurting from inflation as much.
The issue with Stellantis are the prices. No one can afford these car prices and a lot of the price is from carbon taxes.
Just read an article that Toyota is building a dealership over a Koala habitat. Can Toyota's reputation get any worse?
Stellarntis is owns factorial battery. Which could be huge for them
No one here in the U.S wants to pay a 100k for an electric version of the same model and trim of a vehicle that brings 40-60k gas version, coupled with high recall and low customer satisfaction…many are just waiting.
I think for someone like me that puts 3500 miles a week on a work vehicle has no time to wait for charging. It’s already been proven that towing is not an option over 100 miles. Congress member already said that he has friends trying to get charging power to just charge 20 Mac trucks and they laughed at them. So, don’t see how this is all going electric.
Exactly.
I will never buy an ev. No one I know owns one. And here in Florida every thing is a hundred miles away.
Never ever speak to the Daily Fail/Hate
In Europe they have Peugeot, Citroën and even FIAT produces EV's.
They sell good, but much less then Tesla.
I'm here in the USA and i don't see any EV cars increases in the midwest and people understand electricity is made with hydrocarbons the hydrocarbons to produce an EV is around 10 years plust to offset their increased emissions to produce compared to ice vehicles.
I think they're stuck because they know V's are not really the next thing because the infrastructure is not there for it. And the advancement on battery technology keeps advancing very fast. And that really we're skipping a step we should be trying alternative fuel.
Not sure what you mean by "very fast"; the batteries have only made marginal gains in the last 10 years. Lithium is not the answer.
Well in the automotive world I don't believe 10 years is very long.
@@mattcrawford2894 10 year is roughly the time that manufacturers plan models, which is why automotive electronics are always 10 years behind the times.
The 4xe is about $10k more than it’s gasoline counterpart.
Companies are going to make what people will buy. There are going to be ICE pickup trucks , sedans and SUVs for made for years to come - but - less ICE each year. People who can make an EV work for their situation are glad for the huge cost benefits, if nothing else. EVs will continue to improve and be suitable for more types of users every year.
But the days of making huge profits on those ice vehicles is coming to a close
The cost benefits of EV's are starting to go away. There are already states that are adding additional ad valorem taxes to the registration of EVs, due to no fuel tax being collected from them. Eventually, I see there being additional fees for charging.
@@4dscdriver Roads have to be built and maintained. No one works for free. Something will need to change soon enough.
I think taxing tires could be a more proportional way to pay for roads.
A 26 wheel triple axle TTU has got to be causing way more wear on a road than a little econobox car.
Heavy EVs that need bigger / stronger tires should probably pay a bit more than the econoboxes too!
yes
Here in the US I have a 2018 promaster city van (It's the US version of Turkish made Fiat compact van really). I invested in a conversion I did myself. It was an amazing deal for me given how I use the van, but quality has been horrible, but they made good and right now the van is running great. Unbelievably, there are currently no new compact vans in the US for sale so even with the quality issues, the decision is proving to be brilliant while I hold and wait for options. I would trade for compact Ram Stallantis EV van without hesitation. Hoping Stallantis starts building these compact EV vans (like Fiat/Opel/Citroen/Peugeot) cheap in Mexico and getting them to the US customers ASAP. If the US is serious it needs to focus on EV infrastructure/standards, making EV trade/import possible/feasible and playing hardball with labor unions.
Nice and cool 😎
California doesn't really have a law banning sales of EV's in 2035. It's an executive order than can and will be lifted since the volume of EV isn't there to support the demand, and frankly the infrastructure isn't there (especially in CA) to support the volume even if the raw materials to build that volume EV's was available
Finally someone with a brain. Watch "California Insider" Why California energy costs have more than doubled.- Susan Shelley to understand what's really going on with Ca Energy and charging. She'll tell you what's really going on.
David Kelleher looks like he does alot of Coke!
They can sell hell cats all day long it has to do with emissions not lack of sales they are replacing the hemi v8 with a turbo inline 6 and there ending the challenger and charger models wich is way they have shut down the plant
I Had had to buy a Kia today.. stellantis made a huge mistake - never had I had to move from my choice of the Chrysler selection- they really messed up- that sale was suppose to be Stellantis - they snooze they lose- sorry Stellantis , another lost sale - maybe next time 👍😎
Jeep here have been a bit dodgy, with costly repairs.
Too expensive
Dont know how CA is going to get there food delivered. Prices are goi g to be high.
Believe You mean THEIR food..........THERE is a place..........THEIR is a Person or Persons.......Paul
paulholterhaus7084 Thanks yes, also meant "going" didn't edit.
Good
Here in oz let's hope rv price wars amongst the EV car companies
Tesla awesome but need a more affordable mg or BYD for now
Gas ⛽ is finished
Stellantis has been deteriorating since it was still called Chrysler. It hasn't really been an auto manufacturer for decades--- just a stock holding company. IMO.
Aside from Jeep and maybe Ram (in the US) Chrysler probably shouldn’t even exist anymore. Admittedly, Dodge Challengers (and to a slightly lesser degree Chargers) are cool cars, but they don’t really fit the needs of many people.
The Opel division of Stellantis has several EVs that get good reviews - particularly the Mokka E. An easy solution would be to bring the Opel brand back to the US as an EV only brand. If they can muster the manufacturing capacity the cars would sell. Could be a relatively quick way for them to get EVs into dealers hands, but starting up a brand most people have never heard of (unless you are old like me) would be daunting.
BTW my first car was a 1974 Opel Manta Rally in a fantastic lime green. The Mokka E has a very similar look and offers an updated metallic bright green that I would buy in a millisecond if they brought them here.
It’s a good looking SUV they could import and sell it under their Chrysler badge.
aye, seeing a lot of the Vauxhall Astra/Mocha/Corsa EVs in the UK Midlands
I rebuilt an opel a long time ago, good car. Opel as an EV only would be great.
Contrast between Stellantis US & Europe - They're making some decent small EVs; not cutting edge but reasonable range, passable tech and while not cheap, are reasonable VFM. My wife has a Vauxhall/Opel Corsa - E, £21.5k, she's getting 170-200 mile - not bad. The new Astra-E is Tesla 3 money though so a non-starter IMO.
Well theyre average at best, the corsa-e was like 30k£ when it came out, stellantis is not Even in top 20 ev sales this year in Norway
@@danielstefanovic2604 I think average is a little harsh - With a few exceptions, Vauxhall/Opel has always been smart but uninspiring, but the quality is decent enough; better than my 2015 Zoe was and the software is less glitchy than my Enyaq too. I think the design of the Peugeot, Fiat & Jeep versions look great. We had a big discount on our Corsa back when you could, as a pre-registered new car. Out of interest, what are the top selling small EVs over there?
good
Hi Sam,
Thank you.
We enjoy your posts, because you offer an overview of data and facts world wide, unbiased.
For most the more information enables us to make educated decisions on buying EVs.
Considering how rapid technology, trends and government legislations are moving, it's almost impossible to follow.
Your certainly much appreciated for your due diligence.
We all wish your family back to a full healthy recovery.
Great posts
Good news Sam
Viking! How MUCH are you producing?????❤❤😂😂
Everyone I talk to say they will never buy an EV.
Great story - looking forward to the EV Jeep - the 'small' European Jeep Avenger (quite small) has awesome Jeep looks, why don't the sell them 'like hotcakes' in China? Or will they?
Beautiful ❤
Can you say
Out of business
It’s time to change
Build a full-size plug-in hybrid pickup with a 75 mile range battery, and get back to me. The vast majority of time, you can drive on electricity around town with a vehicle like that. However, when you need to go cross-country once in a while, NO RANGE ANXIETY and no fast charger hunting adventures!!
Don't know why Ford, GM and Chrysler can't see this. This IS what the market wants, not a stupid EV pickup with a REALLY EXPENSIVE 400 mile range battery that drops down to 200 or so miles during cold winters.
California is not the world.
Did you ask a Californian about that? If California bans leaded petrol, the world follows
@@theairstig9164 , don't bet the bank on that. The grid of most nations is not ready for EV's.
I'm going to add one more thing that you're probably not aware of. About a week ago, a silver mine owner made a very interesting comment. He said 22% of the world's current silver production is used in the manufacture of solar panels. However, by 2027, he expects this to increase to 90%. Point: what do you think is going to happen to the price of $olar panel$? And remember, you have to replace these every 20 to 25 years, based on what I've read.
@@lrg3834solar panels are already being made without silver. Sam has done a video on the way that copper can replace it and be cheaper and more recyclable.🤒
Viking , what electric car do you personally drive?😂 very curious
He's in Thailand right now fwiw
Had to sell his atto 3 before he left OZ. Has an ACE yewt on order and like most Tesla enthusiasts has had an order in for a Cybertruck for many years. 👍🏽
Stellantis says, according to the article you cite, that they are shutting down production of the Cherokee because of the high cost of EV production. WHY ARE YOU AVOIDING THAT FACT? The real reason for stopping production is due to lack of sales. Sales of the Cherokee have been dropping since 2019 to abysmal numbers. The Cherokee being sold today was introduced in 2014, and Stellantis let it rot on the vine. The model is 9 years old without a major update. It is now outdated and old. This is why no one wants it. Of course Stellantis is going to shut this plant down in order to save money, especially since it is MORE EXPENSIVE (components) to build an EV. Stellantis needs the money. Dropping the Cherokee has NOTHING to do with it being gasoline powered. It's because it was ignored by Stellantis and is a 9 year old, dated vehicle. Remember, 95% of car sales are ICE powered.
Sam. Nail, head!
Back in the early 90s, California had a law that in 1998, 2% of all cars sold had to be hybrid. They just hit that 2% a few years ago. They just kept changing the law…. These big, scary laws will get changed to meet true customer demand and product readiness.
The laws are changed to avoid climate disaster. The thicker consumers among us can’t block what’s necessary.
It was 2% up to 5% for Zero Pollution cars. BMW made an electric prototype, Volvo had something else , GM made an EV as did Toyota. Then the polluters lobby swamped the Politicians with money and it all got reversed. "Who Killed the Electric Car" movie will give you an idea.
@@SteveWithers climate disaster ? well u can't go from 100 to 0 in few years if u try to do it ; it will distrupt the market leaving ppl protesting in roads "preach the need for change but don't reform too kuch at once" logical laws should be made & continuous improvement should be made to maintain stability & growth
Excellent car
Well
Fill up in your garage, a car that drives itself, WHAT'S not to love??? You know those over the air updates everyone loves to tout... suppose you go to your garage to your freshly charged Tesla and, it doesn't start... nothing, no sign of life. So you pull out your phone to call for an uber and, wow, your phone is off, and no amount of pushing buttons turns it on. So you walk to your nearest cash machine and what??? no money!!!
It's coming. Say the wrong thing, like the wrong tweet, piss off the wrong person -- "they" turn off your car, no more transportation for you. CBDC means "they" can shut down your bank account with ease. No money, no transportation. You're fooked. How you like your EV now? All that "convivence" of a direct central bank account, how you like that now? And you did to yourself. No amount of fore warning will make a difference. It's coming and it will be a thousand years before freedom rises again.
Don’t come out of your bunker until then if that’s what you believe!🤡
@@malcolmrickarby2313 I don’t deal in beliefs. Only what I know.
Wet electric dreams...enjoy it
yeah, this is definitely not true. But then again, it was seven months ago.... well, wasn’t true seven months ago either but now we definitely know it’s not true!😂
No chance
On the jeep side I believe the jeep line up is dated across the board.
I am a Chrysler fan and a jeep fan but that said, you can't build vehicles to the limits of poor efficiency and limited production quality and in the 4th qtr of the game expect the crowd to be happy. With no real 4cyl engines to talk about and products that only dabble In the extreme $High end or limited Extreme HP market Chrysler products like or not were always on the edge with engineering, Not So much anymore.
Bring back the slant 6😂
They should have seen this coming in China...............
I think Stellantis is building a huge battery plant in Windsor.
Stellantis has secured 50,000 tonnes of lithium. Anyone else ?
What’s happening to those people laid off?
Fiat 500, how many can they sell in commyfornia😂😂😂
Jeep cant compete in the electric market.
woulda been better if they left all these ice cars alone, maybe resize but leave the good ones alone an make different electric cars
I don't know man, ICE vehicles still have a huge share in the market, and their market seems to fluctuate, it's not time for EVs to "completely overthrow" ICE yet, maybe in another 30 years... also- people want Jeeps because it's Jeep- they've been doing the best SUVs you can buy ICE or not for years, they're just that good lol. I used to praise Stellantis, now I don't- because their management is weird, it's not "EV or not" it's just, the constant lack of confidence and lack of motivation within their management, imagine being that low in your head, you own some of the best selling brands in the world, and yet you say "we can't do this". Chrysler as a whole has seen tougher situations, such as their bankruptcy in 1978, when Lee Iacocca took over, in just 3 years they were booming, it was the confidence and sheer power to fight that saved them. No one wants EVs rn, especially in the US. Sure, one or two or a few brands see positive sales, but to be truthful, people buy EVs because they're either forced to, or bribed to. I say, ask 100,000 Americans ((WITHOUT PAYING THEM TO SAY SOMETHING)) and see the results, ICE still has a lot of market, sorry but I'm just not convinced. Stellantis' issue isn't the lack of EVs, it's the stupid people running them.
The ice age is coming to an end! 🦕🦖🥶
@@malcolmrickarby2313 I do not agree, but to each their own I suppose.
This American would love to have an EV right now, and the two most common reasons that EVs aren’t acceptable for some people: range and the ability to charge at home wouldn’t be an issue for me at all.
My issue is all my cars are paid off and I don’t want a car payment right now regardless of the type of vehicle. Could I afford a new vehicle? Yes, absolutely, but I don’t want to spend the money right now.
Ram and Jeep MUST REMOVE themselves from fiat/stellantis.
I’d question my life choices if daily mail was agreeing with me.