No city water? No well? No problem: 55,000 gallon RAIN TANK
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Living in the Chihuahuan desert, we get 8-10 inches a year. My two barns catch about 8,000 gallons per inch of rain. Our tank is the next size up, 65,000 gallons. We can live on 20,000 a year. Some years it doesn’t rain, but we don’t have to haul water anymore. My solar powered water treatment plant filters, chlorinates, and pressurizes the water.
Possibly a silly question but can you supplement rain water with dehumidifiers? It seems like you might have points with excess solar power and maybe that would be a use for it.
@@KevinLyda dehumidifiers in desert?
@@thelonewolf666 At worst, he can live on 20,000 gallons a year. That's about 50 gallons a day. You can drink through a gallon a day with moderate exercise in the heat and that would still leave you 49 gallons to cook, clean, shit, and shower (really, bathe) with. With careful usage, you don't have to even use 2 gallons of water to flush an entire day's waste, 5-7 gallons to scrub dishes, or even 25 gallons to shower with. Even after all your chores are said and done, you still have 15 gallons left over to water plants, pour into humidifiers, steam your clothes, make some drinks / soup, etc. And on a 65,000 gallon tank, that's 3 years of 0 inches of rain (which is anomalous even in the Chihuahuan desert; it would obliterate most life in the area if such a thing were to happen).
@@vedrisca We can learn from the Earthship people. Use the water from the shower and sinks to irrigate plants, and put in a sump pump that collects water that's been filtered by the earth to fill toilet tanks. They say they "use the water three times".
awesome
US Virgin Islands we use rainwater as primary water source at home. Best solution? A home that had THREE 40,000 gallon reserves. 1st cistern was filled from the rooftop and is for home use (shower, drinking) using sediment filter between roof and cistern, then a secondary sediment filter, pump, micro filters, carbon filter, and UV purifier, water flow is single direction overflow into the 2nd cistern. 2nd cistern was also filled from the stone pool/patio deck. This 2nd cistern is sediment filter and microfilter, used for the toilet system, garden/yard, and filling the pool. The 3rd cistern is the pool itself with its own pumps, filters, and salt (salt water pool). All completely hidden as the top of the cisterns are to pool/patio deck. Of course, the cisterns are steel/concrete/lined. Basically a basement with extra barriers for holding the water.
Hey Matt. I'm not a contractor or architect - just an average Joe, but have been watching your videos for years. I used what I've learned from them to design and build our dream house on acreage outside of Fredericksburg last year. Our budget wasn't on par with the houses you've been profiling lately, but we were still able to incorporate many of the concepts you've touted. Fortunately, we had a great builder who was already aware of these concepts and helped us achieve our goals. We installed a rainwater system very similar to one you show here. With 2 full-time residents and frequent visitors, I've found that the filters need to be replaced every 6 months. Viqua requires the UV light to be replaced annually - at least for the model we have. I really appreciate your videos you sharing your knowledge.
Hi, I hope you can see this after a year. I'm planning to build in Bandera and was wondering if you can share the contact info for the builder you used to build your home?
Probably the best Ryan’s ruclips.net/user/postUgkxGZedDTcDfgD7fG_uU4esfx_EgxzlY2_1 Plans on building a shed is hardly ever found. And Ryan takes the mystery out of different types of foundation options, etc. He even shows how to build a shed with different designs. Very comprehensive, covering different roofing materials, siding, etc.
I installed a uv filter on my well filtration system. Make sure that you filter down to 5 micron per the uv filter spec in order for it to work. Otherwise the bacteria can hide behind the particals still in the water.
I always like your vids, but this one was near and dear to my heart. I @m a professional sport fishing captain and lived on a private Island in the BVI and USVI FOR 10 years. All of the water was rain water due to the Virgin Islands lack of fresh water. What a smart owner and great job Steve.
FYI on the private island my boss, a developer, built in a grey water system that was another 55,000 gal tank that picked up from sloped driveways and walkways for plant watering and outside clean up. We put a small little pool floor suction skimmer set up for bottom of cisterns. Ran them 1 time a month for a day through pool filter just like a skimmer. In 10 years we never needed to clean a cistern.
Also, owner and people living will need a high quality multivitamins. Rain water has no minerals in it. If you get a cut or scratch and see a slight red ring around wound when healing you Ned a better multivitamin.
Thanks, love the entire network. Even if I’m a stupid fisherman. :)
Pool filter with a vac is a genius idea. I’ve never seen that, but it makes so much sense!
Vitamins are not minerals and your food should be sufficient for both just fine. You might need some extra vitamin B12 if you are on a vegan diet, but a balanced diet will cover it as long as there are no medical condition preventing normal food digestion.
If you use an asphalt roof, the water is not potable because of the petroleum and other chemicals leeching.. A metal or a slate roof is ideal if you don't want to be poisoned especially if you are showering, drinking or using to water your vegetables, etc....
it would take decades before you get cancer from the asphalt shingles. relax lol
Many homes have gardens in the backyard...near their asphalt roofs. All ground around asphalt roofs are absorbing asphalt "sand" as the roof degrades. I've not seen any studies on harmful soil from them...but I wonder!
Thats not true.
Asphalt roofs are fine to use for rain catch.
You will get less oil in your water then if I drilled a well.
And a person could drink my well water for over 50 years. And its not the oil that going to get you.
I changed to a metal roof because Asphalt roofs were not lasting 6 months here.
You are scared of asphalt roofs when you don't need to be.
Though a metal roof is a lot better. They last longer and hold up to wind a lot better.
@@baddog9320 Where are you?
My family is very much alive and well. No issues from our rain tank collecting from our asphalt shingle roof. Have a good one
If you add a fire department connection it can double as fire suspension water source. Has been required for years by some of the insurance companies for higher end homes in remote areas.
We do it all the time, both residential and commercial.
I'll have pipe from my big storage tank available for fire dept use... and a 2-acre-ft pond they can draw from if needed.
One of the reasons I have selected to do an extremely oversize water tank.
@@fhuber7507 While a 2.5" NH/NST connection is standard, it's always good to ask your local fire department what they can hook up to. Be sure to specify SUCTION hook up, not pressurized like a fire hydrant. If they have a 4.5" it can help them fill their trucks much faster! Also, if you add a fire connection, be sure to add reflective signage, and a ventilation port for your tank so it doesn't collapse under suction (if you have a free-draining screened entry you're already good).
Painting the PVC protects the pipe from uv degradation good job
Is there any reason the builders in my neighborhood don't paint the vent pipes protruding from the roof? They are rather unsightly contrasting against the dark roofs.
@@NOXStellans $
@@NOXStellans also your PVC vents degrade but still keep gases in tact. Water is different because it starts to leech into the water, also water makes it degrade faster than air
I have a request. Can you do a show that discusses in basement food storage?
I appreciate your information. We are rebuilding a house and will follow many of your practices. Part of our redesign is three block rooms in the basement for food storage. Meats, cheeses, fruits and vegetables. Three rooms to give us more specific temperature and humidity conditions for the various items.
We are insulating the floor, walls and top similar to Steve's recommendations.
Thanks again for sharing your projects.
I’m very interested in seeing the upcoming video on the sealed combustion fireplace!
Happy birthday Matt. I love watching Steve explain his designs, which are always top notch.
Thanks Matt! I can’t catch your all of your videos, but when I can I always learn something valuable. I grew up in a home without outside water supply. We caught rain water off the roof into cisterns and barrels. In the summers where there was no rain we could truck in water. I love seeing this new modern innovation to an old idea.
Your channel is a fantastic resource for anyone wanting to build a home and looking for ideas, solutions, new products and methods!
With the right roof size and tank size you'll never need to truck in water. We have a simulator so we can design a system to never run out of water.
Tote containers are very limited, but you may want to consider a military type 'bladder tank'.
I did some research a few years ago. The standing seam metal roof is a must-have. You get about 95%+ of the rainfall off of a metal roof. With asphalt, it is somewhere around 80%. It does vary depending on the roofing material. Metal gives you the most return per inch of rainfall.
Love the content! I’m a homeowner and love all the ideas I get from here. ERV system is on my to do list!
Happy Birthday Matt! Mine is next Monday haha. Also, Steve is 100% correct about clients always wanting to cake up the makeup on their house. Simple is best
Would love to see a more detailed video on the insulated slab and how it coexists with wall frames (structural versus non-structural), doors, etc. Awesome!
Happy Birthday Matt! I'm a Water Plant Operator for my profession. Safe drinking water is an absolute must.
We're on well water but only use a sediment filter and 24 inch UV light system. 100% safe
Here many of the older houses have both cisterns and wells with purification systems for each. They are inside the basements so many are discontinuing them due to humidity issues.
Thank you for your work! How do you feel about micro-systems?
@@cherylm2C6671 For your own personal use? If so, I think it would not be the most efficient use of time and money. My back up plan is a carbon filter (Berkey or similar) and a few drops of Cl2. It's cheap, simple, efficient, and safe. Though it's my back up plan it could easily be used for my entire drinking water supply.
@@keithbrookshire Happy holidays, and Thank you for your comment!
50K gallons is enough to support a farm or aquaculture but it wasn't mentioned.
Carbon filtering and chlorine (mixed oxidant) will prevent potential pathogen trouble for stockpiling compressed snow.
At least a year's supply of the cleanest possible water could be got into even tent-and-pond-liner warehouses and spray insulated with styrofoam or pykerete (and plastic) over it. Paying 500 people to move water instead of cleaning out a stadium for a ballgame is 'all hands on deck' work during an emergency and water the town doesn't need to buy.
That will provide not only a fax-fast drinking water supply safely but allow some work to proceed on either upgrading or restoring existing water facilities. People pitching in to prevent the legislature from taking what little water will be left after January is a good thing.
I have been a fan of yours for quite a while now, and the things you do are simply amazing to me...Thank you for what you do...
I build koi ponds normally with EPDM liner. To me digging a hole and liner would be a way to create a huge water storage tank. Saves the need for the steel structure.
Needs dictate in or above ground.
Some people do that….they then just run a gravity feed system to the home (need to be in a hilly area obviously)
Sometimes it's cheaper to buy the steel
The steel contanment reduces the evaporation.
Another plus is since it's rain water you wont need to soften the water.
I love the rain tank idea. One thing to consider, however, is that in some parts of the US, you're actually not allowed to capture rain water like this, because it affects wells downstream. Worst case scenario, however, as was mentioned in this video, is you simply get a truck to dump water into it once a month. That's an added expense, but at least there is that option.
I noticed two pressure gauges on that system, that would tell you the pressure drop of the filtration system to let you know if it’s getting clogged or when to change the sediment and carbon filters
If you read them while someone is running the washing machine or other water demand... so there is flow.
No flow and the two will rapidly read the same even with a clogged filter.
I have seen rain water collection system videos (in the TX area) in other channels. What amazes me is how fast that water can collect. 1 inch of rain on a square foot of space is 144 cubic inches. This translates to 0.6234 gallons. My house is 1776 sq ft. So 1 inch of rain would yield 1,107 gallons of water. It adds up quick. A good down pour could bring thousands of gallons. To put it into perspective, my wife and I used 2,992 gallons on our last bill (one month). However, this is where the size of your storage tank, collection area, projected use, and yearly average rainfall for your area has to be weighed.
I often thought that you could have a rain collection system with a well backup. Particularly if you already have the well.
We were planning on doing this for our offgrid home. I think this locked us in for our decision.
Super great video Matt. Full of great info on the zinder fresh air system. Hope to see you in the great state of Tennessee soon.
@user-kn5qy4dj4n well what do you need to share with me matt
We've been on rain water to supply our whole house and haven't had any issues. 5000 gallon storage capacity.
Quadruple the capacity, the end is nigh.
In Central Texas, we can go 4-6 months without appreciable rain.
@@MrTexasDan that's what this last summer was for us. I don't know how people handle it every summer down there.
@@Off-Grid I've lived in Minnesota and Texas. I MUCH prefer Texas. I hate cold unless I'm skiing.
To do a quick check on your water quality and if the filters need changing, make ice put it in warm water with a clear glass and watch the bottom of the ice cube as it melts for debris.
I'm geeking out over this house! Love it!
I used to build clarifier tanks out of concrete in Austin. And I always wanted to do this if I ever got to build.
That’s so much water, I have 20,000 gallons of storage fed by a spring that runs 8 months of the year and run multiple gardens and have never ran out. They are set
When I was young we lived on my grandfathers farm in the old farm house and we had water pumped straight from the stock tank to the house for washing clothes, bathing, etc.. My mom still talks about cow Pattie’s showing up in the washing machine! Lol. We did have a water tank that was filled regularly for drinking water. My how times have changed here in Texas!
I love my ERV in my house but Zender needs to add air quality sensors to their fresh air supply. Wildfire smoke is huge problem for ERVs because MERC filters can’t remove sub 3m particles so you have to manually shut the whole system down to protect your indoor air. An auto sensor that does it for you when AQI hits a certain level would be a huge upgrade.
I agree same problem here
That's a pretty neat use of a air quality sensor. Who sells an ERV with that feature??
No idea on quality but ‘Build Equinox’ sells one
This is why I'm planning to run a similar rainwater catchment and filtration system but with two sets of filters run in parallel with pressure gauges installed after the filters so that I can actually monitor the real flow-rates as they start to become clogged. In theory, parallel 6 month filters should last 1.5 years or so, but the pressure gauges will give the real story.
Good plan, make sure to put a gauge before the filters too.
@@jay90374 Well yeah, certainly. I'd actually like some digital sensors tied into the home automation system I'd like to build so that I can check tank level and pressures from the same interface that I adjust lights and HVAC.
@@chaseweeks2708 It doesn't matter if you use gauges or sensors, my point is that you need one before and after so you can tell if the filters are loading up or if the pump is having problems.
@@jay90374 Sorry that I wasn't clear. I was agreeing that I want gauges and sensors on both sides of the filters.
@@chaseweeks2708 👍 NP
MORE ERIC AUNE!!!! Love Mechanical Hub!
Neighbor is doing rain collection in a series of 3000 gallon tanks.
I'm setting up for a couple of 3000 gallon tanks to collect, then pump up to a 30,000 gallon tank.
Minimizing the amount of 4 inch + pipe.
I plan a couple of pressure accumulators to stabilize water pressure in the house. (commonly used with wells) This will make a tankless water heater less likely to have temperature surging as the pressure and thus flow rate changes.
I never got the invitation for the birthday party. Happy birthday Matt
Happy Birthday Matt!
Definatly want to see that fireplace video I have been wondering since I seen my first high performance house how a fireplace would work
Hi Matt, Wishing you and your family a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. Congrats on reaching the 1M+ subscribes!, and looking forward to more of your videos in 2023!
I like that you took the best from European houses and used it in yours, that will help you reduce energy bills quite significantly.
i love all these build tricks!
The best part about a holding tank the water settles out so the filters will last longer than a well
Speaking from experience
A great all-star reunion episode!
Happy Birthday! And as always Steve is the best!
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What a clean job
I planned to do this in Idaho when I lived there. Calculated surface area, needs, the whole system, etc.
Then I changed jobs and moved back to Colorado (which is still an awesome place to be) but unfortunately, our laws in Colorado are insane and this would be illegal here… people have lost their ever-loving minds.
Awesome system they have in this video though!
This is true in many western states - funny how water/snow that falls on YOUR land is considered SOMEONE ELSE's property
I always wanted to move to Colorado but they’re doing the same bs as Washington (where I’m at) looks like I’ll be moving to idaho
@@samsaasen4922 Totaly understood. I live in a part of Colorado that would probably prefer to be “Southern Wyoming” at this point…. But still subject to Colorado red tape. Boundary County, Idaho was amazing though as far as ability to do what you want with your own land. :)
Put in an underground cistern and no one will no. tell the gov to f%^k off.
And if you put your heat pump water loop in your tank you can have a heat pump system in your home without any trenching same as a pond loop
Free energy storage for hot and cold
The house design I have for a community first project has this design
Thank you for your comment, and have an active safe 2023.
I'm liking your channel more and more👍
Happy birthday, Risinger.
Why not filter before the pressure tank rather than after? Couldn’t the pressure tank eventually fill with sediment? Really curious. I have a very low well and a 300 gal tank for reserves. And I’m really interested. Great video.
The gutters are so beautiful I can't wait to see what you do with the inside of the cabin. By the way, the closed caption calls the gutters "doctors". lol
Happy Birthday; 50 isn't too old!
Living on farms in Australia we have always drunk tank water straight of the roof 👍no filter
@ 3:30 - do NOT use asphalt shingles for collecting drinking water, for what should be pretty obvious reasons
Love your videos Matt! Keep up the good quality work!
You finally got Steve to open up and relax. He was so stiff and uncomfortable when you first had him on. Lol
We are all on a learning curve
yep. cool tank for a house. Similar tanks (but much larger) used in the greenhouse industry.
Imagine how much water you'd capture from several hectare of roof.
water is a must to have too i have tiled and build dugouts from the drainage of the fields too and ut water tanks into the ground for the greenhouse and gardens use to 1970 our wells started to dry up around us too country had a seismograph company looking for oil all they did collapse all the wells around the country too we lost ours to the creeks dry up too
we did find the source of water to the artesian well to the underground river we hite to it was ice cold to drink too
Congrats for reaching 1M subs, and happy birthday!
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Yay for rain 👏 Yay for rain catching, catching rain!!! Water. The need for water. The earth, soil also needs plenty of water.
It would have to rain very often to fill that 55k gallon water tank! I would not have had that tank built for catching rainwater only. It's for buying and storing water. Honestly this size of a house would require a 65 thousand water tank which is equal to 180 gallons of water a day being used! But since this house has a 55-thousand-gallon tank, I would have a Pump that pumps the city water to the water tank for free, because this house will use more than 55 thousand gallons of water a year!
What happens to that layer of foam once a 500-600 pound refrigerator is parked on it for a couple of years? Won't the floor compress in that area?
Wow… the average household uses roughly 138 gallons of water per day. Multiply that by 365 days in a year and you’ve got about 50k gallons give or take. That’s bananas, that thing can last for roughly a full year in theory if you had no rain the entire time.
A neighbor said that they had 5 years in a row with nearly no rain back in the 1950s.
Not far from Austin.
Bro only 9 month water you want resarve
A cement tank used as cistern buried below freeze line is better than plastic lined pool.
I build those tanks I would never have imagined seeing a video of these tanks.😂😂
I'm watching and haven't seen yet. What are the dimensions of that tank?
i would worry about the outside painted pvc. most pvc isnt uv stable off the shelf. a year in the sun it starts turning to powder.
The paint should protect the PVC from UV. Hopefully the paint itself is UV safe.
Personally I wouldn’t want to be drinking water off my roof especially if it was a ashfault roof, id do a well and use the tank as a buffer, fill it up with water in the fall/winter/spring and use it to supplement through the summer. I lived on a water tank/well system and collected water off the roof and it was DIRTY
That’s it right there. They missed the detail about the metal roof making for purer water with asphalt contaminants you get in composition shingles from what I understand.
DAMN Id love to have a tank like that.
And here I am wanting to build a little 4000ish tank.
Can you imagine just how much roof space Id need to catch enough rain for that tank.
As it is Im only catching under 2000 gallons a year.
Wow, havent heard of basements in Texas, must be northern Texas. Is this house a tankless water heater system with water looping? Does the zender system allow for sent packs to be added?
HAPPY BIRTHDAY MR. RISINGER!!!!
That tank is not uncommon in Australia... but most people that run rain water only don't have that big... LOL 😆 what are they having hour showers and 5 people living in the house
In Central Texas, we can go 4-6 months without appreciable rain, then huge downpours. Need a big tank.
Better too much stored water than too little. You're not envious, are you?
Love the rain water usage, (around 6 pH with no minerals) is great for dishwasher, washer, toilet, showers, sinks,......but not very healthy for drinking.
Drop a Gatorade per 300 gallons there's all the minerals.
The Ph is low but it takes very little to swing it because there's no buffer.
@@nicholashomler1494 Minerals is a help, but Gatorade is not a healthy drink due the very low pH.
@@Colindstuart Swing it with what?
One way is to have a separate tank for drinking water, either from a well, spring, or transport it in, would not need a lot due to all the other water needs would be covered by the rain water.
Matt, regarding your comments on fireplaces, have you ever looked into masony heaters?
the pitches on them roofs lend themselves perfectly to solar panels in the future on east/west & south, that could result in a off grid house, the basement lends itself perfectly for a inverter & battery room too
They designed the roof with minimal penetration in mind. That would be counterproductive.
He seems like the perfect contractor to put in a central vacuum system while he's at it plumbed into the garage for the central unit
Got a PFAS filter on there? Unfortunately rain water isn't safe anymore thanks to DuPont and friends...
I would love to see a detail how the insulation and advantec detail would work for a concrete block home
what happens when the water tank freezes and bursts? i think I would put that underground
Here in the Midwest our well systems usually cost us 8-12 k. On a home build . What kind of costs are you looking at with the tank pumps and filters here?
They could install a Ozonator bubbler out in the tank to help keep bacteria growth from happening.
Don’t know about those! Thanks for the tip.
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Love the zehnder system, however if we are have such great movement and exchange why isn’t indoor air quality discussed more. Would like to see a video on IAQ??
12:25 Don't you need to place a moisture barrier between the slab & the insulation? What's the GPM coming out of the filtration system?
6:40 Plumbing code required vent stacks , correct? How are they getting away (so far) with no plumbing vent stacks ?
Those are not PVC Gutters. They are aluminum gutters with PVC Downspouts. Awesome setup!
What do you do with freezing weather. Will it freeze?
Around @18:45 you guys were talking about kitchen vent hoods briefly. If this Zhender system doesn't manage kitchen exhaust air, then what is your solution? Maybe I'll have to go back and review the videos from your home.
I'm curious about this as well!
As far as the water filtration system it could of been better. I have an Aquasauna OptimH2O. It’s the only smart whole house water filtration system that I know of that actually tells you when to replace your filters based on your usage.
Of course you can add the UV light and additional filters s
@@Vicenteromanwhen I was broke I had the same, upgraded to Hydroluxe 3 membrane smartmosis reverse osmosis total home third gen smart water system. It’s a lot better no big deal tho.
We have an Aquasana Rink System for our rain water system. Works great so far.
Literally every rural house in Australia.
I'm only seeing plastic corrugated piping for the Zehnder system. What about insulated ducting instead, at least for the incoming air. If I install it, my attic is not a conditioned space, and in Florida that corrugated piping won't work.
This is my dream
12:52 Is uninsulated slab-on-grade bad for hardwood floors? That's something I hadn't heard before (but, as I think about it, is making some sense). Is this why the downstairs of my family's 1988 construction slab-on-grade home always feels so cold during winter? And, if we have already existing slab-on-grade construction, or just uninsulated wood subfloor, what's the most cost-effective home improvement, for both hardwood floor durability and preservation and general warmth? If one wanted to tear up carpet + padding from either and lay down say Advantech, would that work?
True hardwood floors can’t be nailed to a slab on grade
And No Rain!
Its actually illegal to catch rain water in some states in the usa. And also illegal to be "off grid" in most too.
Here in our city and most likely the state as well, it is illegal to collect rain water 😂😂😂 the water belongs to the city and state when it rains.
They make filter housings that are clear so that owners can see how dirty the filters are inside the canisters without having to go through the process of opening them to check.
Matt! Dude! A 45° roof is a 12:12 pitch, not 6:12.
Over 12 inches, up 12 inches.
So how did rainwater system like this do in the arctic blast? Did they freeze and leave the homes with no running water? Would it be better to have the water storage underground?