"Why must we go on forever, writing only about gods and legends??" "Because they do! They go on forever! At least what they represent." The writing is just phenomenal
This is one of my favorite scenes in the movie, and if not in all movies. Every character plays his part perfectly. Nothing is wasted or empty. Not one character is a hollow stereotype. And what of my favorite lines is uttered by one of the minor characters, Baron von Swieten: Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart : I am fed to the teeth with elevated themes! Old dead legends! Why must we go on forever writing about gods and legends? Baron Van Swieten : Because they do. They go on forever. Or at least what they represent. The eternal in us. Opera is here to ennoble us. You and me, just the same as His Majesty.
@@Wonka89- Very well said, I wholeheartedly agree with you. To me movies during this time felt more mature in regards to storytelling. There was world & character building.
I like that they don't portray the emperor as a fool. You don't have to agree with him, but he comes across throughout the film as a reasonable man. Portraying him as a complete fool would have been only too easy. He's still portrayed as being "wrong" in some ways, but he is portrayed as a real person with both virtues and failings. Every character was written so well.
One thing I realised re-watching this scene: In the actual opera the servant couple are the good guys while the male part of the aristocratic couple is the villain. While describing the 20 minute scene, Mozart cleverly disguises that. He talks about a regular couple having an argument and a “scheming little maid comes in”. In fact maid is scheming with the Countess against the Count himself who wants to rape her. And later he describes Figaro (who is actually the good guy trying to stop the Count) as husband’s valet who is “plotting with the maid”. So he is using the language of the emperor and aristocracy against the poor people to convince them (and Hulce ever so slightly makes this belittling face when he utters those phrases). The actual opera is much more symphetatic to the maid and the valet. Found this little detail interesting because it goes against the surface level interpretation that Mozart is depicted as this naive, childish guy who doesn't understand the political situation around him. He actually very well does and manipulates it for his advantage.
This film is spectacular in many ways except the biographical aspect, which we all know is very wrong. According to David Cairns, it was Lorenzo da Ponte, the librettist, who actually released Le Nozze from censorship. The operatic language of the aristocracy was serious opera, like Idomeneo. And she is exactly the one criticized in the famous passage: Oh, bello, bello, bello! Come on now, be honest. Wouldn't you all rather listen to your hairdressers than Hercules? Or Horatius? Or Orpheus? All those old bores! People so lofty they sound as if they shit marble! It was the opera buffa librettos created by Carlo Goldoni that put the conflict between aristocratic and bourgeois morals in conflict on stage. To understand this scene, it is worth reading the book by Norbert Elias, Mozart Sociology of a genius, in particular the chapter “Craftsman's art, Artist's art”.
@@historiasdamusica Nevertheless, Mozart chose this libretto to write music to. He knew it was damning of the aristocracy. This is the late 18th Century. The world is transforming into the one we recognize today. The Marriage of Figaro is a modern opera. Without the heavenly music, the libretto would have gotten nowhere.
True masterpiece. The finest music ever offered a cinema audience and probably the finest screenplay of them all too. So good that they went back to Peter Shaffer rather than hand it over to specialist screen writers, adds the depth, beauty and lyricism of the theatre to the majesty and spectacle of the cinema. Bravo Milos Forman.
I just love that for a period of history, the top political leaders took their artistic output as seriously as any other part of their governing. It's my understanding that it was Mozart's librettist, Lorenzo Da Ponte, who convinced the emperor to allow the production of the operatic version of Figaro. Here in modern times, government officials will get riled up now and then about a piece of music or art; usually because they find something offensive. But back in the late 1700's, artistic output was how a country was defined. It was a statement to cultural sophistication and a commentary on the populace.
That's true: it was da Ponde who convinced the emperor to lift the censurchip. But not every aristocrat took art as serious as politics. And art was used not for arts's sake, it was a projection of power and wealth. You should read Nobert Elias book,The Court Society. And it's not true that art was how a country was defined. The wish of God was the justification for absolutists monarchies. And aristocrats could spent their times with art because all the privileges they have. They own the land, because God said so, and they could colect taxes on it. Hail, hail, french revolution!!
Yo siempre he sido de la opinión de que el premio Oscar al mejor actor principal, aquel año, debía haber sido entregado “ex aequo” ( se dice así, no?) a Tom Hulce y a Murray Abraham!
Not to criticize the film but Mozart was by far not so silly in such company, but it makes a good character. He grew up playing for high society and royalty.
@@Meme_God_Killer By every ordinary metric, he is a genius. Would you like to compare his accomplishments? If you do not know of any, then you may wish to: 1- question the media you use, 2- use a search engine to discover his accomplishment . 3- find out why others view him as a genius and challenge your own opinion in the vacuum of knowledge of those accomplishments. Or you could blissfully continue onwards because its no fun to discover a cherished belief is wrong.
As far as I'm concerned, this is inaccurate. Acording to some sources (Britannica Enciclopedia, Grove Dictionary of Music and Musicians), the opera's librettist, Lorenzo Da Ponte (who was the official court's poet too), asked the emperor Joseph permission to transform this play into an opera, without the political connotation the original work has. Although the theatrical play was actually banned, the emperor allowed Da Ponte to do the opera, without even hearing the music. Still, I love this movie very much
What a brilliant scene and very well acted, worthy of analysis (as the whole movie), Mozart (in the movie) just wanted to tell a story with ordinary people that the public could relate to and laugh, I have nothing against legends or myths (which would be the movies of science fiction and fantasy of our times), the theme was subversive, but the author is just taking the theme, it was not so much a protest, comedy is taking a matter of life with laughter. I really like Mozart's comparing the difference between noise and music, but that noise can be harmonious, it can be transformed into music, in fact that's the basis of Music as a whole. Many artists have had to fight against censorship to show their vision to those who only want to maintain their interests and their elitist status, still happens today.
@@frankstrawnation está legendado, é o título do vídeo está em português, só isso já séria o bastante pra pessoas do Brasil entenderem o vídeo. É dublado seria difícil pois o filme em si não existe dublagem, outro fator que mostra o quão esse país não se importa tanto com tal conteúdo.
This film is totally unfair to Salieri. He was a very great musician. He was friends with Mozart. He helped him a lot financially. And, they had a mutual admiration for each other's music.
Puedes verla aquí, en RUclips, integra, pero doblada al castellano ( español de España ). Desconozco a qué subtítulos puedes acceder, pero en español creo te resultará muy comprensible!
More films set in Europe should use the American accents, among others. It's what made this film so successful. The King has an American accent in this film, but why shouldn't it be Canadian, Australian, or Kiwi?
They laughed at him because of the word love, I think he's operas didn't had to many notes, no indeed not, he composed all he's operas with love, and love is underestimate by politics cause most people don't understand love, I think Mozart understood love more than we can imagine
@.Lawrence. He persuaded the Emperor to let the Opera go ahead. It is still performed nowadays at Opera Houses all over the world. The Marriage of Figaro.
“I’m a vulgar man! But I can assure you, my music is not” *lol that’s not completely true. Mozart was known for his restroom humor to the point where he once wrote a humorous rhyme about it. There’s a whole Wikipedia page of “Mozart and scatology” 🤣✋
Well he wrote that Opera in Italian. One of the biographies I read said he was studying English and reading Shakepeare before he died. Don't know if that's true
@@jean6872 mozart was also a clown.... a court jester.. a slave to the music industry, after working 20 years for merely nothing, even though his artwork was great. Hey, but life is a total joke in society.... yeah fool Kayne West is starting to realize this... the same fate that Mozart had 300 years before
Apparently the real Mozart had an irritating high-pitched nervous laugh. People who knew him described it like scratching glass. He was a childish and immature man who laughed at everything.
@Rachel L *_I wonder how true it is to say that Mozart was a childish immature man and whether this belief is based on reality or the gossip of his enemies._*
"Why must we go on forever, writing only about gods and legends??"
"Because they do! They go on forever! At least what they represent."
The writing is just phenomenal
Tom Hulce played that role absolutely brilliantly, that movie is a masterpiece. Gotta rewatch again.
Saw it at the movie theater, when living in Miami, it came out...brilliant
This masterpiece is almost 40 years old, just wow.
Figaro is older than 40 years
All players were Exceptional. Jeffrey Jones - Says so much, often without saying a word. One of the finest character actors of our age.
Damn shame he’s a massive perv in real life.
It's a pity that he had serious personal problems that damaged his career.
Well... there it is.
@@frankstrawnationi adore him in everything he’s in and then I had to go read his Wikipedia page and…
Too many notes.
This is one of my favorite scenes in the movie, and if not in all movies.
Every character plays his part perfectly. Nothing is wasted or empty.
Not one character is a hollow stereotype. And what of my favorite lines is uttered by one of the minor characters, Baron von Swieten:
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart : I am fed to the teeth with elevated themes! Old dead legends! Why must we go on forever writing about gods and legends?
Baron Van Swieten : Because they do. They go on forever. Or at least what they represent. The eternal in us. Opera is here to ennoble us. You and me, just the same as His Majesty.
Talk about range--Tom Hulce went from playing an innocent freshman in "Animal House" to Mozart and was never heard from since.
He played Quasimodo in Disney's The Hunchback of Notre Dame
I'm sure many artists can relate to Mozart here, having to fight for your vision with people who have no concept of what you're trying to create.
Can't believe how old this film is yet it stands strong today
For me, it never gets old.
Just like the music
@@Wonka89- Very well said, I wholeheartedly agree with you. To me movies during this time felt more mature in regards to storytelling. There was world & character building.
That's what we call "classical".
I like that they don't portray the emperor as a fool. You don't have to agree with him, but he comes across throughout the film as a reasonable man. Portraying him as a complete fool would have been only too easy. He's still portrayed as being "wrong" in some ways, but he is portrayed as a real person with both virtues and failings. Every character was written so well.
One thing I realised re-watching this scene: In the actual opera the servant couple are the good guys while the male part of the aristocratic couple is the villain. While describing the 20 minute scene, Mozart cleverly disguises that. He talks about a regular couple having an argument and a “scheming little maid comes in”. In fact maid is scheming with the Countess against the Count himself who wants to rape her. And later he describes Figaro (who is actually the good guy trying to stop the Count) as husband’s valet who is “plotting with the maid”. So he is using the language of the emperor and aristocracy against the poor people to convince them (and Hulce ever so slightly makes this belittling face when he utters those phrases). The actual opera is much more symphetatic to the maid and the valet.
Found this little detail interesting because it goes against the surface level interpretation that Mozart is depicted as this naive, childish guy who doesn't understand the political situation around him. He actually very well does and manipulates it for his advantage.
This film is spectacular in many ways except the biographical aspect, which we all know is very wrong. According to David Cairns, it was Lorenzo da Ponte, the librettist, who actually released Le Nozze from censorship.
The operatic language of the aristocracy was serious opera, like Idomeneo. And she is exactly the one criticized in the famous passage:
Oh, bello, bello, bello! Come on now, be honest. Wouldn't you all rather listen to your hairdressers than Hercules? Or Horatius? Or Orpheus? All those old bores! People so lofty they sound as if they shit marble!
It was the opera buffa librettos created by Carlo Goldoni that put the conflict between aristocratic and bourgeois morals in conflict on stage.
To understand this scene, it is worth reading the book by Norbert Elias, Mozart Sociology of a genius, in particular the chapter “Craftsman's art, Artist's art”.
@@historiasdamusica Nevertheless, Mozart chose this libretto to write music to. He knew it was damning of the aristocracy. This is the late 18th Century. The world is transforming into the one we recognize today. The Marriage of Figaro is a modern opera. Without the heavenly music, the libretto would have gotten nowhere.
I have seen this movie more than any other and can never get enough of it!
ME TOO!!!!!
Same!! I've seen the 3h version at least 8 times.. Has to be more!
Milos Forman at the height of his talent
True masterpiece. The finest music ever offered a cinema audience and probably the finest screenplay of them all too. So good that they went back to Peter Shaffer rather than hand it over to specialist screen writers, adds the depth, beauty and lyricism of the theatre to the majesty and spectacle of the cinema. Bravo Milos Forman.
40 years of this great movie, a master piece...!!!
I just love that for a period of history, the top political leaders took their artistic output as seriously as any other part of their governing. It's my understanding that it was Mozart's librettist, Lorenzo Da Ponte, who convinced the emperor to allow the production of the operatic version of Figaro. Here in modern times, government officials will get riled up now and then about a piece of music or art; usually because they find something offensive. But back in the late 1700's, artistic output was how a country was defined. It was a statement to cultural sophistication and a commentary on the populace.
That's true: it was da Ponde who convinced the emperor to lift the censurchip. But not every aristocrat took art as serious as politics. And art was used not for arts's sake, it was a projection of power and wealth. You should read Nobert Elias book,The Court Society. And it's not true that art was how a country was defined. The wish of God was the justification for absolutists monarchies. And aristocrats could spent their times with art because all the privileges they have. They own the land, because God said so, and they could colect taxes on it. Hail, hail, french revolution!!
One of the greatest movies, with the best actor to portray- all for Love of the most grandiose of all composers.
Perdoe-me ,majestade! Eu sou um homem vulgar,mas asseguro-lhe que a minha música não é! ( Mozart)
Best line ever: "I am a vulgar man; My music is not."
True, the man said it very honestly
You're a little cute.
Correctly put he said: "I'm a vulgar man, but I assure you, my music is not."
That separates the Art from the Artist.
Except for that song about ass licking lol
Adorei esse filme. E as risadas de Mozart e sua humanidade.... 🥰👏🏻👏🏻🎼🎹
sim kkkk queria muito saber se na vida real o mozart também ria assim hahaha seria uma cereja no bolo de um ser humano já extraordinário.
Yo siempre he sido de la opinión de que el premio Oscar al mejor actor principal, aquel año, debía haber sido entregado “ex aequo” ( se dice así, no?) a Tom Hulce y a Murray Abraham!
People so lofty they sound as if they shit marble 😂😂😂
"Govern your tongue Mozart, how dare you!"
Not to criticize the film but Mozart was by far not so silly in such company, but it makes a good character. He grew up playing for high society and royalty.
Yes, I was a bit skeptical. Thanks for your insight.
Well this was a hollywood movie by and for Americans, millions of whom think Trump is a genius.
@@Meme_God_Killer By every ordinary metric, he is a genius. Would you like to compare his accomplishments? If you do not know of any, then you may wish to: 1- question the media you use, 2- use a search engine to discover his accomplishment . 3- find out why others view him as a genius and challenge your own opinion in the vacuum of knowledge of those accomplishments. Or you could blissfully continue onwards because its no fun to discover a cherished belief is wrong.
Dear Mr. Organizer, huh, I do not debate with the closed minded; however, this little exchange is a lesson is psychology.
As far as I'm concerned, this is inaccurate. Acording to some sources (Britannica Enciclopedia, Grove Dictionary of Music and Musicians), the opera's librettist, Lorenzo Da Ponte (who was the official court's poet too), asked the emperor Joseph permission to transform this play into an opera, without the political connotation the original work has. Although the theatrical play was actually banned, the emperor allowed Da Ponte to do the opera, without even hearing the music. Still, I love this movie very much
What a brilliant scene and very well acted, worthy of analysis (as the whole movie), Mozart (in the movie) just wanted to tell a story with ordinary people that the public could relate to and laugh, I have nothing against legends or myths (which would be the movies of science fiction and fantasy of our times), the theme was subversive, but the author is just taking the theme, it was not so much a protest, comedy is taking a matter of life with laughter.
I really like Mozart's comparing the difference between noise and music, but that noise can be harmonious, it can be transformed into music, in fact that's the basis of Music as a whole.
Many artists have had to fight against censorship to show their vision to those who only want to maintain their interests and their elitist status, still happens today.
If you're paying the artist, it wouldn't be censorship if you don't like what the artist is making and demand changes.
I have heard orchestras and bands tune up. It is not music
It is noise. But eventually does become music.
Was there really 10 minutes of scales in the Marriage of Figaro? I loved the little part we heard.
Engraçado que o vídeo é destinado aos brasileiros, mas só tem pessoas de outros países comentando hahaha, a cultura daqui as vezes me deixa triste.
"Se há alguma cultura nesse pais é necessário que você a tenha trazido..." (CIC)
Uai, o áudio é original em Inglês. Se o trecho tivesse o áudio dublado, só teria brasileiro comentando.
@@frankstrawnation está legendado, é o título do vídeo está em português, só isso já séria o bastante pra pessoas do Brasil entenderem o vídeo.
É dublado seria difícil pois o filme em si não existe dublagem, outro fator que mostra o quão esse país não se importa tanto com tal conteúdo.
@@nameless8168 Esse filme foi dublado sim e já passou na TV aberta várias vezes.
I did like the way the man described how opera ennoble the legends
This is my favorite movie of all time.
I found Jan Swafford's book "Mozart - The Reign of Love" to be very informative and enlightening. Very readable.
Questi attori meritano....il Nobel....
I went to school with Mozart and already played the 🎹 piano very good 👍🙌🕊️
🤤
Your username is muy curioso.
My favorite movie!
It is such an exceptional film .. words have no capacity
Thank you.
Hello from Moscow.
Subscribed.
I actually think that Salieri saved mozart from future execution in this scene
비로소 알아낸 영화네요... 모차르트 팬입니다. 너무나 감사합니다.
3:22 it actually goes all the way to a septet in the actual opera
This film is totally unfair to Salieri. He was a very great musician. He was friends with Mozart. He helped him a lot financially. And, they had a mutual admiration for each other's music.
Ah! Se Sua Majestade visse ou ouvisse o que é vulgar hoje ...?!
This is one the best of cinema´s history. If you don´t saw it, go fast watch it
I Fully agree
Onde tem o filme completo legendado?
Puedes verla aquí, en RUclips, integra, pero doblada al castellano ( español de España ). Desconozco a qué subtítulos puedes acceder, pero en español creo te resultará muy comprensible!
Wonderful!!😍❤️
Uma cena inspiradora, com certeza.
Loved the Movie.
Hello Fernando.
Thank you.
Come non commuoversi per tali attori ?
I LOVE THIS OPERA
More films set in Europe should use the American accents, among others.
It's what made this film so successful.
The King has an American accent in this film, but why shouldn't it be Canadian, Australian, or Kiwi?
2:14 Marie Antoinette? French Revolution incoming
Yes, the same!
Great movie…
Sad about the ending
Jealous gaggle of useless stiffs. Mozart is the only character in this scene with a soul. Freaking brilliant.
bravo !!!!
Cagam marmore kkkkkkkk
haja forevis
Sure it was Italian but a great tune about Figaro's nose.
They laughed at him because of the word love, I think he's operas didn't had to many notes, no indeed not, he composed all he's operas with love, and love is underestimate by politics cause most people don't understand love, I think Mozart understood love more than we can imagine
"Mozart, do you realize that I have declared all of this shit bullshit?"
Mozart was a child protagy could you read at an about level when you were in nappys
I’m a vulgar man, but my music is not.
" let me show you the beginning"
I don't know the story. Did he pass the audition?
Really ?
Watch the movie. Its fantastic.
@.Lawrence. He persuaded the Emperor to let the Opera go ahead. It is still performed nowadays at Opera Houses all over the world. The Marriage of Figaro.
YEARS AGO I HAVE SEEN FIGARO OPERA AWESOME ANS WAS VERY SAD
Why? Who died?
2:26 best quote
😂😂😂 I love that movie so funny
Dare to be bold!
All these genius composers were speaking English. Maybe that's why they call themselves a Great Britain. 😂
My favorite movie
Censura? rs nada haver
“I’m a vulgar man! But I can assure you, my music is not”
*lol that’s not completely true. Mozart was known for his restroom humor to the point where he once wrote a humorous rhyme about it. There’s a whole Wikipedia page of “Mozart and scatology” 🤣✋
1:24 His left eye is a good 1/4 inch below his right.
I noticed that too! First I thought it was his angle and the lighting but you’re right! 😁
He was probably ADHD and a few other conditions
You’ll find most peoples faces are asymmetrical like that lol just depends on the angle and lighting etc
😂😂😂YOUR eyes are good!😂
Ohhhh man 😂😂
fantastic
2:15 "My own dear sister, Antoinette, writes to me saying she is beginning to be frightened of her own people."
lol.
If you wanted to grow beards back then you’d fit in well with piracy 🏴☠️
I love Mozart, but I agree with the emperor. This scene shows how erudite music, gradually, started its degradation and almost disappearance.
You have not heard Le Nozze di Figaro, right?
@@fidulario Yes, I have, and I love it! Its form is divine but its content shows Mozart's naïvity towards politics.
I follow this man.
6...7 ...minutes 😕....eighttt minutes ? 😒
TWENTY SIRE !!! TWENTY MINUTES !!!
😅😅😅
E per la cronaca dovrebbe parlare con accento locale di lingua tedesca
The weird editing on 0:06-0:07 got me.
Weird indeed.
do you mean the quick transition? I dont recall the scene in the actual movie.
@@thomast9736
Salieri paid a poor girl to clean -and spy- Mozart's house, and she gave him the Figaro title sheet.
Figaro makes to much jokes about the upper class
❤❤❤😅😊
Italian? 🧐
In Viena, at the time, there was many differents styles of opera. French, German and Italian.
If you mean the subtitling, it's Portuguese.
Well he wrote that Opera in Italian. One of the biographies I read said he was studying English and reading Shakepeare before he died. Don't know if that's true
@@jonnyfrench19
Did you actually watch the video?
Mozart dovrebbe parlare in tedesco
Mozart was far from being the idiot he is portrayed as in this film.
Why does Mozart laugh like that?
Because hes a clown.... fool
@@BigDaddy-pe5xi Mozart was a child prodigy and a brilliant composer.
@@jean6872 mozart was also a clown.... a court jester.. a slave to the music industry, after working 20 years for merely nothing, even though his artwork was great. Hey, but life is a total joke in society.... yeah fool
Kayne West is starting to realize this... the same fate that Mozart had 300 years before
Apparently the real Mozart had an irritating high-pitched nervous laugh. People who knew him described it like scratching glass. He was a childish and immature man who laughed at everything.
@Rachel L *_I wonder how true it is to say that Mozart was a childish immature man and whether this belief is based on reality or the gossip of his enemies._*
BVS is a Chad
Ok but in real life he gave Mozart a copy of The Well Tempered Clavier so...
A nut played by a fruit
Cinque...dieci....venti...trenta....trenta sei...quaranta tre
do it I want to hear it
O Iluminismo. The end of the times.
In questo film 🎥 non è che mi sembra tutto giusto
Francais
Je n'ai jamais aimé sa musique mais le personnage est intéressant.
A música é mais interessante do que o personagem, pelo menos se considerarmos a vida real de Mozart.
Vai embora então, Zé Mane
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