I felt that your Orc Bloody Beginner Guide from July 2022 was still way too advanced for a true beginner like me. I guess it's easy to overlook how little people know about the game when you've played thousands of hours yourself. This video covers a lot more of the bases (hotkeys, grouping, etc.) so this is a great improvement in my book!
I do like how he pointed out you can ignore the micro he is doing for some of the camps etc. It is a good note, both that you dont need to as a beginner, BUT also shows you a bit of what you should be striving for
I have been learning your orc skills since 2008. I have always been a big fan of you, and then I found out that you have a RUclips account! My orc king!❤❤❤
I just got bought a pc. Last time I played Warcraft 3 was when i was like 13 (28 now) Def gnna need all the help I can get with these Guides. THANK YOU MR.GRUBBY ❤🎉
Can you please also do a bloody beginner hotkey guide or a general knowledge guide? Like hotkeys that are used very often to rarely but have their use, patrolling units or queuing up their paths. Facts important to know. Cant wait for the NE bloody beginner guide since i tend to Play them more often but i am still at the early Stage of rts skill.
Thanks for this Grubby! I haven't played WC3 for aaaages and got back to it because of your enthusiasm. I used this build in an Orc mirror and whooped someones ass with it. I even managed to get two hero surrounds off with the raiders :D
It feels so balanced now. Mirror Image and Windwalk both contribute to different strategies. Wind Walk is fantastic for harassing creeping heroes and worker lines and denying expansions, so it's perfect for rush strategies. Mirror Image is great for fast creeping and scouting, so it's great for helping to build towards the late game.
Hey, u made me so curious about the term bloody beginner, so i looked it up xD. And as a german "blutiger Anfänger" does not rly comes from the relation to hurt urself. The Blood term comes from the way it was used back in the day, for example ppl used to say bloodyjung or something like bloodyfew. Its just to exaggerate the normal term. So bloodybeginner just means u are a REAL beginner like no knowledge at all. So the Skiteacher was kinda reaching there haha. Thanks for the Vid!
Protip: Don't leave items behind like at 10:50. :) Seeing how "g for grunt" was mentioned: What do you all think about the grid hotkeys setting they introduced since the reforged update? It puts the 3x4 rows of actions and spells on the hotkeys q w e r a s d f z x c v no matter what unit or building is selected. Would it be easier for new players to start with this scheme?
I'm still trying to get used to the grid, not sure if the old hotkeys are better as old hotkeys use letters that are in the names of units/buildings/spells, which is awesome to me! Like you Coil a unit with DK is C, Storm Bolt is T since of course S is Stop button, etc.
Grid is essential. There's no reason to use default keys unless youre an ol pro with giant hands like Grubby. Unless you've been playing g every day for 20 years, you will have to look at your keyboard to reliably hit a default hockey. They're scattered all over the keyboard and often require you to move your hand away from your conteoll groups. Looking down and moving your hand degrades your ability to pay attention and react to the game. If you use defaults instead of grid, you're handicapping youself. With grid, all the keys you need are confined to one third of the board, conveniently located right under your army and hero hockey's and near your idle worker key. You gain tremendous efficiency having all your building keys grouped together, and having spells on Z, X, C, regardless of unit. Having move, stop, hold, attack and patroll keys all together makes subtle movements easier, surrounds especially. If you play random and use defaults, you have 4 sets of keys to learn. If you use Grid it's just one.
@@Cra3ieryourself. Which is easier to remember, a different key for each and every spell in the game, or that 1st spell(or castable ability) on any unit is always Z, 2nd spell is always X, and 3rd spell is always C, with hero ultimate always V? All your spells, right in a row, no matter what race or unit it is. It's way easier to remember the position of a key in reference to the grid visible on your screen all bunched up to one aide than to try and remember if it's the first letter of an ability or the last.
When should you T3? And if the game gets long because you and your opponent are scrubs that can't kill each other whats a good unit comp to make to finish?
Which guide is better in the long run, this one or the previous one with Far Seer? I will do 50 games in a row with one of thos guides. I have plenty of WC3 experience, but I did not play for fwe years now. Thanks for answer!! :)
Of course to play orc at the highest level it takes incredible skill. But if you are just picking up wc3 orc or ne are mostly the recommended races to start out since it's relatively easy to pick them up compared to ud or hu. But I'm sure theres lots of ppl who disagree with that
Of course to play orc at the highest level it takes incredible skill. But if you are just picking up wc3 orc or ne are mostly the recommended races to start out since it's relatively easy to pick them up compared to ud or hu. But I'm sure theres lots of ppl who disagree with that
Great one. But... the blade master is very hard to use when we are beginner. i Think that using the Farseer is better to begin without losing too fast !!!
love this build, especially the flexibility once you get through building the kodo. I am new to orc, so question, when you say pick your next units based on counters, what are the good counters for what? Also I know most orcs often get shamans for the dispel etc, is that something you can transition into from here or what that be a very different build?
So I jumped into a custom game against AI to try this out. Two custom games in fact. The problem I was having is that I was just getting way less lumber from my 7 lumber peons. First T2 was delayed because bot enough lumber so when I could finally start it I was floating 250 gold and decided to make a 5th grunt. After third burrow, shop, brute strength and warmill, I do not have enough lumber for bestiary, while in the video theres like 500 at that point. so thats delayed. No lumber for expo, and suddenly Im floating like 700 gold. I end the game floating 8000 gold and having no lumber
Used to play WC3 way back. Decided to pick it back up. Got a question, because I hope to not go back to bad habits from before. Besides just not being fast enough, I never came up with a way to control units that felt entirely clean or comfortable. It would be too long to go into it all, but here is one example. So say all your units are in a group mapped to 1. You hit 1 and focus fire the enemy. Now you notice the enemy is focusing your unit so you pull him back. At the exact same time he pulls his unit, so now you need to refocus your fire. If you hit 1 to select units and FF, you will pull your hurt unit back in. Am I supposed to reset my group in the middle of fighting? I don't think I'm fast enough to do that. Or am I supposed to just just abandon the group and start click dragging my units so it doesn't include hurt ones?
When I get raiders, I don't win battles against human. Siege damage is fine against buildings, but the human just turtles behind the expansion's towers, and I can't break through. They expand so easily, and if you're not able to punish them for it, you're screwed.
so after the opening and you start building units to counter him.. is it just a back and forth of you both countering eachother? Like, you start by countering him.. he responds by countering what you built, rinse repeat?
Can you (or anyone) explain some skill choices for the heroes? Why Mirror Image over Wind Walk? I understand it's better for creeping, is it because harass is too much for a beginner? In the same vein though, why Hex over Healing Wave? I feel like Healing Wave is definitely the easier choice?
this game is a lot more competitive than I remember. you are clicking all over the place constantly. this is like a super mario speed run down to the frames, it's not even fun anymore.
I always watch but don’t follow every update. Any one know why mirror image is being used a lot more? Did they change it or was it just a shift in the meta?
The tutorial should start explaining that you should go scout and haras your opnonet with your first hero to make him slow down in his progress, this is like for bronze play tutorial if you want to get annoyed pretty fast by other players, but at least the build order is nice and handy not gona lie, otherwise me building a first peon, opponent comes already wih a hero and harassing my production line :D and i read somewhere its less annoying then in starcraft :D yeah sure buddy, its even more annoying because of clunky movement lack of defenses which relies on the clunky movement and poor speed and hp of workers
@@DomagojSkiljan But once it dies the grunt starts tanking anyway, so why not just leave it with 1 hit hp at the back? Is that 1 hit actually worth more than the damage it will continue to do while it expires.
@@ivarorno simply not worth the apm for the most part, the damage is so isnanely low, that it doesn't make a difference, also the creeps can just hit it again or the poison could kill it
@@norberthiz9318 Fair enough, it feels he usually has plenty of apm to spare in those situations and he does plenty of other marginal stuff, with peon macro and such.
In a try hard game, he does that quite a bit actually The video was meant to be for beginner, Grubby purposely played in a slower pace. Notice how many time he stopped moving, or not starting the creep right away.
As an absolute beginner i have no idea how you can play that fast and i know its like 30% of your normal speed or so xD Strat is nice untill im unable to perform it so fast
why isnt there more games like these? its soo unique and fun but the only game thats really good is decades old is the concept copyrighted or something?
![This [LEGENDARY] game will have you on the EDGE OF YOUR SEAT! - WC3](/img/1.gif)
Apologies, it looks like the previous video got cut short by RUclips, here is a link to the full Bloody Beginner
😁😁😁 oh my Lord)) you are so lucky 3 best auras for him - that's it life is set)))) - the game is boring as usual with you nowadays 🤣
I was wondering why a tutorial video lasted 9 mins. Unless it was a tutorial in how to tower rush.
Gotta send your video guy 1 day in the mine with the peons as a punishment ! 😂
Man, that's a lucky beginner indeed. Wish I was matched with Grubby just to spare with such a legend
I felt that your Orc Bloody Beginner Guide from July 2022 was still way too advanced for a true beginner like me. I guess it's easy to overlook how little people know about the game when you've played thousands of hours yourself. This video covers a lot more of the bases (hotkeys, grouping, etc.) so this is a great improvement in my book!
Absolutely
I do like how he pointed out you can ignore the micro he is doing for some of the camps etc. It is a good note, both that you dont need to as a beginner, BUT also shows you a bit of what you should be striving for
I'd be helpful if you could remap controls
I can only find edit for unit
@@Chayliss there are ways to remap. There is a website that makes it really easy.
Hey Grubby, i won my first 1v1 game with this guide, thanks!
Congrats!
ggwp :D
Are you still winning ?
l got demolished. My main focus was spamming wyverns but l got obliterated before updating to castle. XD
I have been learning your orc skills since 2008. I have always been a big fan of you, and then I found out that you have a RUclips account! My orc king!❤❤❤
When he said “omfg” I was like this can go either way! Either he about to be toxic or is a fan haha. Glad to see he was happy to see you!
I just got bought a pc. Last time I played Warcraft 3 was when i was like 13 (28 now)
Def gnna need all the help I can get with these Guides. THANK YOU MR.GRUBBY ❤🎉
Thank you grubby for providing content for new players!
Can you please also do a bloody beginner hotkey guide or a general knowledge guide? Like hotkeys that are used very often to rarely but have their use, patrolling units or queuing up their paths. Facts important to know.
Cant wait for the NE bloody beginner guide since i tend to Play them more often but i am still at the early Stage of rts skill.
This new guide was amazing thank you so much for this vide
I needed this like 10 years ago. Good guide nonless!
Opponent checks replay and sees orc doing nothing in the middle of the match:
"Not real Grubby, lol"
Still love the gag quotes all the heroes have, Blademaster included.
“Snatchu the pebbul from muh hand, grasshoppa!”
Thanks for this Grubby! I haven't played WC3 for aaaages and got back to it because of your enthusiasm. I used this build in an Orc mirror and whooped someones ass with it. I even managed to get two hero surrounds off with the raiders :D
Saw it live, saw it in the previous upload and will watch it again ❤
I just started playing this game within the last month, this video is very helpful thank you, much love from Canada
The exact week i came back to this gem❤ ty
I love how Blademaster mirror image has become a viable strat.
grub to the sub
It greatly helps with the creeping and gaining xp,
Rather than gambling with wind walk to steal items from enemy
@@P.sherman45I wouldn't call it gambling
It's meta now. Blademaster with feral spirit is good. The scouting and tanking creeps are both real nice.
It feels so balanced now. Mirror Image and Windwalk both contribute to different strategies. Wind Walk is fantastic for harassing creeping heroes and worker lines and denying expansions, so it's perfect for rush strategies. Mirror Image is great for fast creeping and scouting, so it's great for helping to build towards the late game.
Grubster, thank you for guide! I love your videos!
9:22 for those wondering what happened after: "so what we got now is shadow".
Have you considered to make a series like from new player to master MMR? The build order, macros, counters etc, for each race?
I never write RUclips Comments. But this would be so great. There are no good up to date ressource for the best rts of all time!
That would be great
Yes sir grubster, feed us!
rewatching the whole thing for great justice!
Hey, u made me so curious about the term bloody beginner, so i looked it up xD. And as a german "blutiger Anfänger" does not rly comes from the relation to hurt urself. The Blood term comes from the way it was used back in the day, for example ppl used to say bloodyjung or something like bloodyfew. Its just to exaggerate the normal term. So bloodybeginner just means u are a REAL beginner like no knowledge at all. So the Skiteacher was kinda reaching there haha.
Thanks for the Vid!
I love these !
Grubby please do a bloody beginner guide for all the other races in 2023. We need that update. Please, please, please🙏🙏🙏
This was awesome.
next bloody human beginner pleaseeee THANK YOU GRUBSy.
Keeper with entangle is almost auto lose for me when I'm orc. But I still think to myself "At least they didn't go demon."
I've just started control grouping my raiders within my army to ensnare easier.
Protip: Don't leave items behind like at 10:50. :)
Seeing how "g for grunt" was mentioned: What do you all think about the grid hotkeys setting they introduced since the reforged update? It puts the 3x4 rows of actions and spells on the hotkeys
q w e r
a s d f
z x c v
no matter what unit or building is selected. Would it be easier for new players to start with this scheme?
I'm still trying to get used to the grid, not sure if the old hotkeys are better as old hotkeys use letters that are in the names of units/buildings/spells, which is awesome to me! Like you Coil a unit with DK is C, Storm Bolt is T since of course S is Stop button, etc.
Grid is essential. There's no reason to use default keys unless youre an ol pro with giant hands like Grubby.
Unless you've been playing g every day for 20 years, you will have to look at your keyboard to reliably hit a default hockey. They're scattered all over the keyboard and often require you to move your hand away from your conteoll groups. Looking down and moving your hand degrades your ability to pay attention and react to the game. If you use defaults instead of grid, you're handicapping youself.
With grid, all the keys you need are confined to one third of the board, conveniently located right under your army and hero hockey's and near your idle worker key.
You gain tremendous efficiency having all your building keys grouped together, and having spells on Z, X, C, regardless of unit.
Having move, stop, hold, attack and patroll keys all together makes subtle movements easier, surrounds especially.
If you play random and use defaults, you have 4 sets of keys to learn. If you use Grid it's just one.
@@Cra3ieryourself.
Which is easier to remember, a different key for each and every spell in the game, or that 1st spell(or castable ability) on any unit is always Z, 2nd spell is always X, and 3rd spell is always C, with hero ultimate always V? All your spells, right in a row, no matter what race or unit it is.
It's way easier to remember the position of a key in reference to the grid visible on your screen all bunched up to one aide than to try and remember if it's the first letter of an ability or the last.
When should you T3? And if the game gets long because you and your opponent are scrubs that can't kill each other whats a good unit comp to make to finish?
ve"ry instructive ty
LOL i was playing against aventurier on my first wc3 game ever lol i beat him tho cus of your strat what a legend he is in the vid
Its the default battle tag, they aren't the same person...
grubby, could make a hand cam where we can see your APM and how you control your army? Thank you!
Thanks! Grubby, can you make this for every race and put them in a place list, something like - Stuff for Beginners.
Bloody beginner guide with beginner enemy, Im almost convinced grubby really have paid actors lmao
Weird. Half way around the world and I too learned to ski in Austria. High Tatras.
pog guide
Which guide is better in the long run, this one or the previous one with Far Seer? I will do 50 games in a row with one of thos guides. I have plenty of WC3 experience, but I did not play for fwe years now. Thanks for answer!! :)
Orc really seems like the hardest race, or at least the race that takes the most planning and forethought
Of course to play orc at the highest level it takes incredible skill. But if you are just picking up wc3 orc or ne are mostly the recommended races to start out since it's relatively easy to pick them up compared to ud or hu. But I'm sure theres lots of ppl who disagree with that
Of course to play orc at the highest level it takes incredible skill. But if you are just picking up wc3 orc or ne are mostly the recommended races to start out since it's relatively easy to pick them up compared to ud or hu. But I'm sure theres lots of ppl who disagree with that
Great one.
But...
the blade master is very hard to use when we are beginner. i Think that using the Farseer is better to begin without losing too fast !!!
YES!!!
love this build, especially the flexibility once you get through building the kodo. I am new to orc, so question, when you say pick your next units based on counters, what are the good counters for what?
Also I know most orcs often get shamans for the dispel etc, is that something you can transition into from here or what that be a very different build?
Please do UD with lich as first hero
Hey grubby, is there gonna be any changes in these guides now with the new updates do you think? Love your content :)
I hope You make a new one for Humans as well
That would be great!
Poor guy, had only been playing for 5 days and then meets Grubby
He is lying
This guy plays forever
He is just really bad
Lets goo
lol I wonder how Aventurier feels, literally made a tutorial out of him.
So I jumped into a custom game against AI to try this out. Two custom games in fact.
The problem I was having is that I was just getting way less lumber from my 7 lumber peons.
First T2 was delayed because bot enough lumber so when I could finally start it I was floating 250 gold and decided to make a 5th grunt.
After third burrow, shop, brute strength and warmill, I do not have enough lumber for bestiary, while in the video theres like 500 at that point. so thats delayed. No lumber for expo, and suddenly Im floating like 700 gold.
I end the game floating 8000 gold and having no lumber
maybe you were playing on fast spead instead of normal?
@@Tsharkeye speed shouldn't matter right?
Used to play WC3 way back. Decided to pick it back up. Got a question, because I hope to not go back to bad habits from before.
Besides just not being fast enough, I never came up with a way to control units that felt entirely clean or comfortable.
It would be too long to go into it all, but here is one example. So say all your units are in a group mapped to 1. You hit 1 and focus fire the enemy. Now you notice the enemy is focusing your unit so you pull him back. At the exact same time he pulls his unit, so now you need to refocus your fire. If you hit 1 to select units and FF, you will pull your hurt unit back in. Am I supposed to reset my group in the middle of fighting? I don't think I'm fast enough to do that. Or am I supposed to just just abandon the group and start click dragging my units so it doesn't include hurt ones?
Wow what a lucky dude lmao
When I get raiders, I don't win battles against human. Siege damage is fine against buildings, but the human just turtles behind the expansion's towers, and I can't break through. They expand so easily, and if you're not able to punish them for it, you're screwed.
Do you happen to have tutorials for the other races? Plus, what does "bloody" mean?
so after the opening and you start building units to counter him.. is it just a back and forth of you both countering eachother? Like, you start by countering him.. he responds by countering what you built, rinse repeat?
Can you (or anyone) explain some skill choices for the heroes? Why Mirror Image over Wind Walk? I understand it's better for creeping, is it because harass is too much for a beginner? In the same vein though, why Hex over Healing Wave? I feel like Healing Wave is definitely the easier choice?
is there any "simple" rule of thumb on how many peons on lumber? and when to get more etc
When does the tower rush fit into the build? I'm confused?
When do I rash worms?
@@Vesdus idk bro, my doctor was concerned last time I brought up my rash worms
yaaaaay
LOK'TAR OGAR!
How do you do control grouping?
this game is a lot more competitive than I remember. you are clicking all over the place constantly. this is like a super mario speed run down to the frames, it's not even fun anymore.
Yeah! That’s RTS games I enjoy watching them but actually playing you need such skills and coordination.
Why several Kodo Beasts? I feel they're super expensive for what they give unless you're good with Devour beyond the first
btw I played this opponent recently ^^
How about Night Elf Guide? this race is complex :)
can i replace blademaster with farseer with the same build?
what if enemy goes casters (human slow) or other mages ? im noob
So far Seer is not meta any more? :(
Omg Grubby crushed a newbie...
I always watch but don’t follow every update. Any one know why mirror image is being used a lot more? Did they change it or was it just a shift in the meta?
It used to not deal any damage they changed it to now do damage
Please do Human bloddy beginner guide 😭😭😭😭
The tutorial should start explaining that you should go scout and haras your opnonet with your first hero to make him slow down in his progress, this is like for bronze play tutorial if you want to get annoyed pretty fast by other players, but at least the build order is nice and handy not gona lie, otherwise me building a first peon, opponent comes already wih a hero and harassing my production line :D and i read somewhere its less annoying then in starcraft :D yeah sure buddy, its even more annoying because of clunky movement lack of defenses which relies on the clunky movement and poor speed and hp of workers
Blud was steamrolled for a tutorial 💀
How is grubby going up vs a beginner ? Don’t they have crazy different mmr rating?
how to rash taurens?
I've always wondered why you don't keep the image alive a bit longer for the extra damage?
It does less dmg than grunt, an it expires in the end so it is better to soak up dmg and scout
@@DomagojSkiljan But once it dies the grunt starts tanking anyway, so why not just leave it with 1 hit hp at the back? Is that 1 hit actually worth more than the damage it will continue to do while it expires.
@@ivarorno simply not worth the apm for the most part, the damage is so isnanely low, that it doesn't make a difference, also the creeps can just hit it again or the poison could kill it
@@norberthiz9318 Fair enough, it feels he usually has plenty of apm to spare in those situations and he does plenty of other marginal stuff, with peon macro and such.
In a try hard game, he does that quite a bit actually
The video was meant to be for beginner, Grubby purposely played in a slower pace. Notice how many time he stopped moving, or not starting the creep right away.
As an absolute beginner i have no idea how you can play that fast and i know its like 30% of your normal speed or so xD Strat is nice untill im unable to perform it so fast
The take away is expo for more gold smartee army counter opponents army bigger army
If he had been able to make bears?
How do you know how many workers are in the mine?
0:59
I thought the opponent was ai lmao
Hello hello
Ok... but why the Wind rider? You said they sucked.
The creeps and timing on maps being plaued.forever is a.huge barrier.
Need all new ma0s
SUB TO THE GRUB!
I think Grub has misunderstood the connotation behind "bloody beginners"
He used the example with skiing in the alps. The meaning is a bit different in Austrian (or german in general) from english and fits here.
Still no new NE beginner guide :((((
Why no Shamans? Too micro intensive?
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why isnt there more games like these? its soo unique and fun but the only game thats really good is decades old
is the concept copyrighted or something?
so the ranking is stupid as f? I lost all of my 5 last games agaist guys having >200 hours playtime against me 40 min
seems too easy for you, talking all along and not loosing a single unit
Blademaster is for noobs.
I'd really love to play this game... if it wasn't refuck... err I mean reforged.
Will there be guide for undead?) I always use spider-statues-sphinx. dk-lich-dark ranger built, but maybe in 2023 there is something better?))
Aventurier is such a noob
Even without any Guide almost every beginer would win against him 😅 but he is a nice guy i think