These comments are honestly crazy. Obviously Aventurine himself knows that he wouldn't win against Acheron. We were literally told that this is his plan: his grandest death. To put on his "final" performance. He wanted to prove that 'real death' does not exist in Penacony's Dreamscape. Aventurine's story arc tells us how he's always gambling with his life all the time; doing crazier things each time. There are also people saying that he's dead which I highly doubt it. Acheron didn't go all out on him and she told him to "Wake up from this dream and go to where you should be. Your gamble... is not over yet."
Essentially he found an alternative way to "die" in the dream rather than at the Meme Death's hand is how I saw it. Dying normally like from falling in the dreamworld doesn't work because of the safety The Family has provided for Penaconians. However dying from anomalies (Eg. an Emanator, a Meme from the dream world, or other incredibly powerful "Aeon-like" ways) will "kill" you in the dream world and send you into the sea that lays outside of Penacony's safe walls.
This comment just made me realise that the "grand death" that Aventurine talked about wasnt for someone like the MC or anyone really important, but himself... damn...
For these trying to understand Aventurine gambled on the fact Acheron could kill him by bypassing the harmony protection, he knew he couldn't win, thats why he made sure to setup everything to force Acheron to fight him seriously, with her emanator power and her blade to ensure his death as normaly you would just wake up if you tried to die This allowed him to access an other secret level of Penacony and prove it was not possible to die in dreams, so anyone killed by Something unto death cannot be dead either, this makes the plot more complicated He's now closer from the legacy of the watchmaker as "dying" seemed to be a part of the process
@@Lew98765 Let me correct myself. He may not be as genius as Dr Ratio, Ruan Mei etc, but this move 'The grandest death' is genius. Agreed with you that he is lucky+ make good decisions at the right place right time
@@diaochan7506 yeah I just didnt mention it because its hard to know if its just religious/spiritual belief or an actual real blessing by some god entity He's indeed lucky and there is some mystery about how he went this far after all he went though surviving each time, which he sees as a luck
The literal translation of her poem is as follows : 涙雨 May my tears like rain 降りて溢るる overflow out, 渡り川 become a river that separates this world from the next, 黄泉路を行けず prevent you from going to the other world, 常世帰らむ and carry you home. I hope this meaning will be conveyed to other language speakers.
Aventurine: "I'm putting down the bet, I'm taking the gamble, I'm claiming the win." "I'll let fate spin the wheel, a daring gamble. Walking the brink of death for rebirth." "All FOR THE ...AMBER LORD!" Jade: "I come for an audience, I come to fill wine, and I come to claim." "I bestow poison in the guise of sweet dew. Come the toil of spring and yield of fall, I patiently wait for the branches to be heavy with withered fruits." "All FOR THE ...AMBER LORD!" Aven's arc was so amazing, so excited for Jade!
If Jade playable will her path be Preservation, im doubting it she look like dps.. And if her boss named Diamond surely is Preservation path playable.. Because Diamond is the boss of IPC and Emanator itself.
when I see the huge AoE and how massive that red streak of slash, I was like "Duuude, that is just ONE f-ing swing!" and then I proceed to rewatch the scene, I notices that she also flicks water from the puddle beneath her with her blade. This quest makes me want both Aven and Acheron, they both are just so "oomph!". especially, I like Aven's character.
It's interesting that Aventurine called the Lance of Preservation the "Architect's flawed stone". It's probably a reference to his and the other IPC elite's Cornerstone that allows them to use the power of an Emanator of Qlipoth. This hints that the power the Trailblazer receives from the Aeons, might actually be on the level of an emanator.
Prior to this boss fight, aventurine's "future" self mentioned that he shattered or damaged his own cornerstone, which is what the "flawed stone" is referring to.
Not even close. Aventurine stone was shattered way before he enter Penacony and lost a huge chunk of its power yet still managed to completely no diff Trailblazer. Even at its max power Aventurine still won't be stronger than Diamond who gave him his power, that's how big the powergap between TB and an actual Emanator is.
You can think it this way, Qlipoth > Emanator of Preservation > Cornerstone > broken cornerstone >= Lance of Preservation(depends on how broken the cornerstone is)
ngl i thought that aventurines va is very professional, have many voice overs behind him already because he IS SO GOOD and when i discovered that it’s his first role i was so shocked. he has so much talent omg
For those wondering, yeah Aventurine lived but from my understanding, he found his real path to be Nihility? The creator of this video cut an EXTREMELY important conversation between Aventurine and Acheron before that little cutscene at the end. Acheron said she cleared the Harmony curse off Aventurine so he won’t die. He will be dwelling in the Abyss of Nihility until he comes back. Though this means Aventurine will be absent from events, atleast he’ll come back some day. “Your gamble is far from over. Go back now.” -Acheron In the last cutscene he was saying goodbye to his past but the cut context just makes it looks like Aven died lmfao.
What i get was that the only way to get to the watchmaker's Legacy was to die in the dream, because the Family cut you off when you were close to death, so Aventurine uses Acheron Power to pass that barrier as she Said " You were Lucky i was here" and "I took off the Harmony from you", so Aventurine is not actually dead, He is in a deeper part of the dream, even because Acheron and Ratio Said "good Lucky, survive"
Yep. His whole entire plan seems to be about "dying" and then "returning" in some way or another. But there's also a possibility that his idea of "returning" is simply sending something to reality that proves there's death in the Dreamscape. I'd wager that the Hat Imaginary Type TB uses might actually Aventurine's, and that Hat holds something that Aventurine found on the other side.
@allentayoto7387 Returning? His whole arc was to drive the idea in about how he always gambles for his life, fighting tooth and nail only to see the next great gamble he has to take. There is no "returning" planned, he knew Acheron's abilities is able to bring true and permanent death esp by how she was able to kill ifrit, an energy based lifeform. He gambled that she would use her blade on him. He thinks it might be nice to be able to rest, to meet his mother and sister in the afterlife, but as the last survivor blessed by his religion he of all people was not allowed to die so easily. Which is why he tests fate every time. And always comes out victorious. But we all know he's on a path to ruining himself with each greater gamble- even if this one works out, he'd have to answer for his cracked stone, and gambling with the 2 other heartstones. But that's a gamble for another day.
Himeko stepping in front of March to shield her got me worried for a second. As for Welt, im more worried about what he would have done if Acheron didn't intervene. 😅
@@SevenRedSuns1296 Acheron can cast you directly into IX (a blackhole), but Welt drags you through the accretion disk before shoving you into the event horizon.
maybe they dont actually own the lance and its back at belabog and that since this is a dreamscape in the heat of the moment they didnt realize they could use the lance in the fight against sam but later obviously came prepared for aventurine
@@vaquishers its like genshin rules. They physically do have it but its in like some sort of pocket dimension specificly for the weapon and it can only hold one for some reason.
People are also forgetting that Aventurine‘s cornerstone was shattered this whole time which is why he was only able to use a fraction of its actual power
@@kilagraa Probably closer to 1/20-1/100 of Acheron's full power. There are ten cornerstones, comprising the power of one Emanator. Acheron is one Emanator all on her own.
@@kilagraaAcheron by herself is like 150%-200% of an Emanator because except Emanator power she also has that insane blade Aventurine with uncrushed stone have at the very very 10% of Emanator's power, very likely lower because I am sure that Diamond still have more power himself Now reduce that 10% Aventurine has even further and it turns out its like below 5% of Emanator's power vs 150%-200% lol
I love both of these characters! I saw another content creator post a theory the other day that the Theme song of Penacony White Night the lyrics refer to Aventurine, and I must say I find it an apt hypothesis.
That slash wasn't supposed to level a city to the ground. The one in her Trailer was tho and she didn't perform that slash, here she just made a simple slice.
Him doing that is basically a declaration of war against Xipe and the Family and Welt is not stupid to do that. Dude is laying low with his powers or else he might get ganged up by atracting the Aeons and he might end up like Tazzyronth 😂😂😂
@@source324 the f he is not even Aeons old era Tayzarroth>>>current aeons Really need collaboration between Strong Aeons lime HOOH and ENA also Fuli to defeat Tayzarroth And whole SAM army to defeat his swarm ix ain't anything compare to old era while tayzarroth still alive
@@QuangHaMinh-hg8vs , i know he didn't die, but let's see if he doesn't end like a punchbag. Also, not understimating, but that writer has gotten away with so much stuff.
@@snakecake-mw7vw Far from the punching bag, he was heavily nerfed by breaking his cornerstone into pieces before using it, if his cornerstone is on the great shape he would at least be able to knock us out almost instantly until Acheron moves to shut his shit up.
@@snakecake-mw7vwi mean losing to an emantor is not at all being a punching bag, man was kinda owning the astral express till acheron came in. Like you have to understand this girl is so strong her slash cuts through the protection made by many dreamweavers of the family and destroyed even aventurine himself
"Only by casting aside reason, does one truly gamble" that's just another throwaway line for the normal person; but for gambling addicts or former gambling addicts , this hurts deep speaking from experience, gambling addiction is real. It hijacks your brain and the dopamine hit of winning can turn the shittiest day into the best. If I was feeling down, all I had to do was gamble and win, it was so easy to be "happy" and forget the turd sandwhich day you had. it came to a point that I was throwing caution into the wind and was able to justify the money I was pouring into gambling. Money is for spending, money is to make you happy and this makes me happy. Common sense and reason is cast aside once it hooks you. well anyway that's just a little anecdote and warning to avoid gambling
I hope you are doing good in life now. I like how you shared your experience. Gambling addiction gradually does consume your soul. To a point you throw away all logic and reason. But when one's determined enough, he/she can still get rid of their addiction. Abruptly stopping an addiction never helps. Taking baby steps is the key. Wish you a blessed and safe life!
This animation is fricking insane and I hate it that we never rewatch it cuz once you go through a Story Quest you can never go back!!!!! This update made me love Aventurine because back in 2.0, I hated how smug he was until 2.1 hit me in the guts and had me witnessing him go through hell since the day he was born!
Welt can control his power and also acheron is stronger than welt proof is that welt with an xianjou luofou general(jing yuan) basically an emanator of lan, a high elder vidyadara and the rest of the astral express crew struggled ti beat an emanator of nanook. While acheron easily one shot one shot someone with 3 cornerstone(power of 3 emanators) of qlipoth(aeon stronger than nanook). Plus the nihility is just op its stronger than even some previous era aeons like fuli(managed to annihilate all records of takamagehara and izumo in the garden of recollection with ease) Unless we’re considering hi3 welt in that case i think my point still stands bcs acherons blade alone without the nihility self annihilator emanator powers was basically forged using 12 divine keys. We dont know if the hsr divine keys have the same power as the hi3 ones but considering they were both forged for a similar purpose id assume so
@@vaggeliskapsiotis7623 OK. Few mistakes 1 cornerstone = 1/10th power of AN emenator And Welt even threatened to annihilate Acheron because she knew too much about the Nameless. HI3 Welt =HSR Welt
y'all gotta stop over hyping welt man. he lost most of his power and ain't what he used to be. yeah, he and dan heng are currently the strongest members of the express, but he's got nothing against the top-tiers of this universe
@@diaochan7506 Aventurine He wasn't a threat to Welt, he was just provoking Acheron,and his battle It him would not bê that easy like mid diff for welt
@@DreadLord-kp9tq I beat this with March 7th natasha and Trailblazer with a bat. Just level up your Characters. Buying Lightcones from the banners is so unnecessary for Story questlines because it's designed to be doable without spending money.
Come on you can't suck that bad? you can just Brute force it. by getting heals from natasha or lynx. and shielding from march. any aoe character can work. it will just take time to finish.
Aventurine wanted to go on the real side of penacony. He wanted to go to the place where the legacy or watchmaker was. He wasnt in penacony (the current one) but rather on the abyss (the real side of penacony) his goal isnt that of what the preservation but it only align with his goal although he does feel grateful for them that is why he is moving in the way that will benefit them. Using the IPC in his more grandeus plan just to what? I wager that it was to at least exact revenge against fate (bc avign seems to always repay blood debt) or do a time travel. (Just my opinion though on how the story is unfolding. It seems like penacony is different and that world actually matters)
Huh I thought he got sent somewhere outside of penacony. I think that place is supposed to be limbo rather than the original penacony since acharon gave him a choice to either enter the void and die or pursue life
@@imnotreanalbertospynotatal6968 The way I see it the moment acheron slash using her sword. All the fabrication, illusion of penaconny shatters, allowing aventurine to slip through the gap and possibly proceed to the real penaconny. There is also the thing that Dr. Ratio gives him that he should only use if he really thinks that he is on a pinch. Everything up to that point is a gamble that is why he never uses the bottle yet. "If penaconny has a beautiful dream there is also a nightmare. After all these illusions, one needs to wake up". A rough sketch but I think this is the theme that they are aiming for.
@@Kurisu139 but we did visit the original dreamscape in the story in "a child's dream". That void I think belongs to acharon for her to "guide the departed"
@@Kurisu139 Acharon knew what he was trying to achieve, told him "your gamble isn't over yet" and gave him a choice: to either go in the void or to continue living. That's why I'm pretty sure that void domain thing isn't penacony but rather Limbo
@@captive8670 almost 90% of the hsr fan base dont know what Welt can do cuz most of his lore is locked behind Hi3 game and his Visual Novels and Manga💀
Match my wager - aventurine line hits differently now after understanding the lore better. Since aventurine is betting his life in proving real death does not exist in the dreamscape, he was asking acheron to match his wager and acheron accepts. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it the reason why acheron is hesitant to unsheath her sword unless its the last resort is that her sword is being powered by her life force so matching bets between them is laying down both their lives on the table..
im pretty sure what aventurine meant about "match my wager" isn't about the stakes of his bet but the outcome. he wants acheron to prove, with him, that death isn't real in the dreamscape. about the sword-- her life doesn't really depend on it. she doesn't unsheathe it unless necessary because it is the vessel through which she commands her power as an emanator, and also through which her memories are stored. clearly she has a ton of traumatizing and awful memories, as seen in the dance she did with black swan, and unsheathing her sword forces her to experience those emotions again (which is probably why she cries in her ult animation, for example)
Spoiler/Recap: Acheron removed the curse of Harmony from Aventurine with the power of Nihility, and "killed him" in the dream so he can reach where the Watchmaker's Legacy is, an exile land beyond Penacony You can think it as another realm overlapped with Penacony, and only accessable through death in dream By creating an "absolutely safe dream", where dying just simply waking you up, the family can hide the legacy forever But then Memory Zone Meme "Death" and Acheron showed up, they're the only two who can create actual death inside Penacony Therefore Aventurine set up a gamble, betting that Acheron will use her true power to kill him, and sending him to where the legacy hides And now, after 2.1, we can speculate that there are currently 4 people who reached that realm: Firefly, Robin, Aventurine, Sunday And Firefly somehow returned from that realm
but firefly came back within literal seconds bc she is also sam so it doesn't make any sense. bc hoyo wants to make firefly into a nother waifu that u can collect
Gaiathra Triclops somewhere be like, "You're really pushing your luck, kid. Really, really pushing it... I feel disrespected, oh my. And you're involving "Death" here? D: What did I ever do to you? (sigh) I uh... I'm gonna give you more luck to push through. Don't embarrass me in front of these Aeons."
But like... why is Welt in the title? I don't see his contribution, if it was just the nameless, then why single out Welt? This was essentially Acheron and the nameless vs Aventurine. Smh Edit: The title name got edited :'v
There's too many factors to count on whether he could unlseah more power than acheron, Welt in his prime could definitely do some damage but 99% could not slash through the harmony's protection, considering he has the herrscher core and could actually withstand the entire authority of truth he could create anything he wanted, basically if he could unleash the true power of the star of eden everyone goes boom but then there's no fun on revealing the trump card at the start so we'll have to wait and hope we get a welt upgrade 🙏
for those are wondering, no Advent didn't the die lmao. i think his plan was to show that death is something plausible in the dreamscape, though i don't think "death" can be achieved the way he's thinking. I think in the dreamscape "death" is basically masked as a nightmare. It shows with the events that we seen in the story, but each event is different with a same outcome (like what we saw with Robin, Firefly, and Sunday). this also show more depth with the Aeon that is IX or Nihility. Basically nihility is seen as an outcast of a Aeon rather than your other Aeon like Preservation or The Hunt. Unlike other Aeon's, Nihility makes the literal impossible to the possible in any unviable situation, given Archeon was able to subdue the Harmony effect off of advent. This also shows that Nihility itself is almost an enemy to the Harmony it seems. Its clear that Archeon shouldn't be there and its clear that The family is against the nihility. One final thing. I think the premise of "death" in the dreamscape is really fascinating, especially with the npc knowledge during the adevent quest asking if they know what/where death is. It also goes to show that "death" is in fact a nightmare due to everything leading up with the Meme's death. What i mean by that, is that simply i think the Meme death is the concept of "death" something someone don't wanna truly go out by. It is literally getting your whole chest blown out. I genuinely believe these character we've seen that was killed by the meme death aren't truly dead but a experiencing nightmare, this also going off by clear fact that any given dream, is also dealt with a nightmare. Don't you think that its really weird that the dreamscape, where anything is possible with the simply thought and at any given moment? Want money, they got that. Want to drink endless alcohol that is soulglad, they got that too. Okay how about manipulating the area to create a paradox and illusions, those owls? they got that too. Its all too weird for having such a dream without suffering consequences that is a nightmare. Oh i guess the Watchmaker exist, everyone knows it Misha. OH! that reminds me whenever Gallagher was talking to Sunday at the end, its clear that they both know each other really well, almost if they are bothers. Well half bothers, or step bother. Obviously theres no clear sign about this, but i believe the Watchmaker was trying to find the next Watchmaker before conflict events happen between the The family and the Watchmaker. How crazy if Gallagher is the watchmaker, afterall the watchmaker does hate the family, and Sunday is tied with the family. but IDKKKK
Deamn penacony should be happy that acheron solved this situation because if welt did his black hole, well… only giant crater will remain in the place 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@Sunny_Livingconditions Himeko is weaker than Acheron and Welt, she doesn't have any raw power on her own, only those orbital cannons which did nothing to Aventurine 💀
Idk why people is still considering welt is stronger than Acheron. While he cant even use the full power of the Authority of reason, that cane also is only a replica.....it doesnt even has half of the real star of edens power. Man HI3rd elitist fr. Let the man rest, hes already old.
@@nagiba8645 Welt in Honkai: Star Rail is the same iteration of him as seen in Honkai Impact 3rd. His story takes place after the events of the "Alien Space" manga and A Post-Honkai Odyssey. He left Earth after an alien invasion, hoping to protect other worlds from similar predicaments. So i don't think he will have a rest anytime soon lol
![Welt meets Acheron [HSR Animated]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/ZGHvU-UXLs8/mqdefault.jpg)
These comments are honestly crazy. Obviously Aventurine himself knows that he wouldn't win against Acheron. We were literally told that this is his plan: his grandest death. To put on his "final" performance. He wanted to prove that 'real death' does not exist in Penacony's Dreamscape. Aventurine's story arc tells us how he's always gambling with his life all the time; doing crazier things each time. There are also people saying that he's dead which I highly doubt it. Acheron didn't go all out on him and she told him to "Wake up from this dream and go to where you should be. Your gamble... is not over yet."
Essentially he found an alternative way to "die" in the dream rather than at the Meme Death's hand is how I saw it. Dying normally like from falling in the dreamworld doesn't work because of the safety The Family has provided for Penaconians. However dying from anomalies (Eg. an Emanator, a Meme from the dream world, or other incredibly powerful "Aeon-like" ways) will "kill" you in the dream world and send you into the sea that lays outside of Penacony's safe walls.
One slash is Enough💀
@@loow03 You saw what it did 😭
@@loow03i know this was just small portion of his true power but still acheron really dominated there
This comment just made me realise that the "grand death" that Aventurine talked about wasnt for someone like the MC or anyone really important, but himself... damn...
It’s actually the craziest thing how this is Aventurine’s VA’s first voice acting role
Really nails it though, amazing job.
If that's true then the guy's talented af
ARE YOU SERIOUS
@@robinofhsr Yup, its his first time voicing in a video game
WHAT
For these trying to understand
Aventurine gambled on the fact Acheron could kill him by bypassing the harmony protection, he knew he couldn't win, thats why he made sure to setup everything to force Acheron to fight him seriously, with her emanator power and her blade to ensure his death as normaly you would just wake up if you tried to die
This allowed him to access an other secret level of Penacony and prove it was not possible to die in dreams, so anyone killed by Something unto death cannot be dead either, this makes the plot more complicated
He's now closer from the legacy of the watchmaker as "dying" seemed to be a part of the process
Andd this is how he wins. He always wins. What a genius
@@WAIXER not necessarily a genius, just a lucky crazy gambler who took some good decisions or "bets"
@@Lew98765 Let me correct myself. He may not be as genius as Dr Ratio, Ruan Mei etc, but this move 'The grandest death' is genius. Agreed with you that he is lucky+ make good decisions at the right place right time
@@Lew98765he is always been blessed by Gaiathra Triclops.. His world Goddess.. And he is the sole survivor of Avgin race nation..
@@diaochan7506 yeah I just didnt mention it because its hard to know if its just religious/spiritual belief or an actual real blessing by some god entity
He's indeed lucky and there is some mystery about how he went this far after all he went though surviving each time, which he sees as a luck
Are you the strongest because you're Acheron? or are you Acheron because you're the strongest
-Aventurine
😂😂😂😂
Dude domain got dismantled
Raiden Shogun vs Tartaglia
Even got his own airport scene
@@shadecross451real world slashing dismantle
"Stand Proud Aventurine/Restless Gambler, You are strong."
The literal translation of her poem is as follows :
涙雨
May my tears like rain
降りて溢るる
overflow out,
渡り川
become a river that separates this world from the next,
黄泉路を行けず
prevent you from going to the other world,
常世帰らむ
and carry you home.
I hope this meaning will be conveyed to other language speakers.
That definitely suits her character
I think your translation makes more sense to Acheron but it isn't what is conveyed in the English version
Thanks this fits her character more
I thought they did a great job convey this meaning and feeling in the English version, thank you for posting the original Japanese though!
@@TheCoolguymanly Isn't the original Mandarin though?
She pulled a domain expansion and proceed to slash existence, thats some op move
she can slice through space & time like ei
She pulled a red version of Jacobs ladder and a cheap version of cleave/dismantle and proceeds to decimated him and almost the entire city
@@inessladia5747
All most all Raiden mei variant can do that tbh
The domain was aventurines domain, she slashed the domain open
Bro won the domain clash, aint no way
Aventurine:
"I'm putting down the bet, I'm taking the gamble, I'm claiming the win." "I'll let fate spin the wheel, a daring gamble. Walking the brink of death for rebirth." "All FOR THE ...AMBER LORD!"
Jade:
"I come for an audience, I come to fill wine, and I come to claim." "I bestow poison in the guise of sweet dew. Come the toil of spring and yield of fall, I patiently wait for the branches to be heavy with withered fruits." "All FOR THE ...AMBER LORD!"
Aven's arc was so amazing, so excited for Jade!
If Jade playable will her path be Preservation, im doubting it she look like dps.. And if her boss named Diamond surely is Preservation path playable.. Because Diamond is the boss of IPC and Emanator itself.
@@diaochan7506Watch as all Cornerstone that isn't playable yet to not be a Preservation path as their playable class.
@@diaochan7506 jade quantum erudition apparently.
when I see the huge AoE and how massive that red streak of slash, I was like "Duuude, that is just ONE f-ing swing!" and then I proceed to rewatch the scene, I notices that she also flicks water from the puddle beneath her with her blade. This quest makes me want both Aven and Acheron, they both are just so "oomph!". especially, I like Aven's character.
It's interesting that Aventurine called the Lance of Preservation the "Architect's flawed stone". It's probably a reference to his and the other IPC elite's Cornerstone that allows them to use the power of an Emanator of Qlipoth. This hints that the power the Trailblazer receives from the Aeons, might actually be on the level of an emanator.
Prior to this boss fight, aventurine's "future" self mentioned that he shattered or damaged his own cornerstone, which is what the "flawed stone" is referring to.
@@toirdealbachbartoium5454his stone wasn't made by the Architect.
Not even close. Aventurine stone was shattered way before he enter Penacony and lost a huge chunk of its power yet still managed to completely no diff Trailblazer. Even at its max power Aventurine still won't be stronger than Diamond who gave him his power, that's how big the powergap between TB and an actual Emanator is.
You can think it this way, Qlipoth > Emanator of Preservation > Cornerstone > broken cornerstone >= Lance of Preservation(depends on how broken the cornerstone is)
The lance of preservation isn't at full power anyway. It's real power was to control the engine of creation.
If you go back to the arena, Acheron left a cut in the reality
In the dream, that is not reality
@@vietcuongnguyenle8530 yeah yeah ik, in the reality of that dream, nerd
@@rannithewitchhbro did not take that lightly 😭
@@bacongod5759broo hated to be corrected 😂😂
@@rannithewitchhwho hurt you bro
ngl i thought that aventurines va is very professional, have many voice overs behind him already because he IS SO GOOD and when i discovered that it’s his first role i was so shocked. he has so much talent omg
i love how himeko can do an orbital strike on a dream😂😂😂
She is mysterious maybe she is the Emanator..
She is a GTA player
@@diaochan7506 emanator of Asta's Budget 😂😭😂😭😭😂😭😂😭😂
@@Quasarii we don't know how many years Himeko stay on Train Astral Express.. I knoe she is the new navigator but how many year passed..
@@Quasarii NAHH 😭
For those wondering, yeah Aventurine lived but from my understanding, he found his real path to be Nihility? The creator of this video cut an EXTREMELY important conversation between Aventurine and Acheron before that little cutscene at the end. Acheron said she cleared the Harmony curse off Aventurine so he won’t die. He will be dwelling in the Abyss of Nihility until he comes back. Though this means Aventurine will be absent from events, atleast he’ll come back some day.
“Your gamble is far from over. Go back now.” -Acheron
In the last cutscene he was saying goodbye to his past but the cut context just makes it looks like Aven died lmfao.
also Ratio gave him something before they separated, I think it was a revival item along with the message that "Death in Dreamscape is not real"
@@shadow7179 he said death is possible but dormancy is not
What i get was that the only way to get to the watchmaker's Legacy was to die in the dream, because the Family cut you off when you were close to death, so Aventurine uses Acheron Power to pass that barrier as she Said " You were Lucky i was here" and "I took off the Harmony from you", so Aventurine is not actually dead, He is in a deeper part of the dream, even because Acheron and Ratio Said "good Lucky, survive"
Yep. His whole entire plan seems to be about "dying" and then "returning" in some way or another. But there's also a possibility that his idea of "returning" is simply sending something to reality that proves there's death in the Dreamscape. I'd wager that the Hat Imaginary Type TB uses might actually Aventurine's, and that Hat holds something that Aventurine found on the other side.
@allentayoto7387 Returning? His whole arc was to drive the idea in about how he always gambles for his life, fighting tooth and nail only to see the next great gamble he has to take. There is no "returning" planned, he knew Acheron's abilities is able to bring true and permanent death esp by how she was able to kill ifrit, an energy based lifeform. He gambled that she would use her blade on him. He thinks it might be nice to be able to rest, to meet his mother and sister in the afterlife, but as the last survivor blessed by his religion he of all people was not allowed to die so easily. Which is why he tests fate every time. And always comes out victorious. But we all know he's on a path to ruining himself with each greater gamble- even if this one works out, he'd have to answer for his cracked stone, and gambling with the 2 other heartstones. But that's a gamble for another day.
Himeko stepping in front of March to shield her got me worried for a second. As for Welt, im more worried about what he would have done if Acheron didn't intervene. 😅
Bro was about to show aventurine how they did it on his time
Bro was about to prepare Aventurine for gravitational disintegration but Acheron said, "nah, I'd Nihility"
Welt was about to unleash hell on him lmao
a black hole is pretty effective to stop projectiles.
@@SevenRedSuns1296 Acheron can cast you directly into IX (a blackhole), but Welt drags you through the accretion disk before shoving you into the event horizon.
0:01 btw first time in a while since trailblazer used the lance. Ig after firefly they weren't taking any chances kek
maybe they dont actually own the lance and its back at belabog and that since this is a dreamscape in the heat of the moment they didnt realize they could use the lance in the fight against sam but later obviously came prepared for aventurine
@@fancymustache3793they summon their weapons, not equip it
@@vaquishers its like genshin rules. They physically do have it but its in like some sort of pocket dimension specificly for the weapon and it can only hold one for some reason.
and this is how Aventurine won
the protagonist of 2.1, literally pulled a Lelouch
Yea but now he's gotta leave limbo lmao
Please, PLEASE, tell me that I'm not the only one coming back to watch this cutscene? Because it's SICK!
You're not, because this cutscene is so peak
It truly is crazy good.
i want to experience it for the first time again tbh
Aventurine: Gate of (gambling) chips
Nice
Thank goodness I am not the only one who sees Gate of Babylon in this, and Gilgamesh of course xD
Acheron went Saber-Alter mode on
@@hopeinvoked1822
Acheron: Unlimited Nihility (Works)!
@@happylancelot7563 Real 😎🔥
People are also forgetting that Aventurine‘s cornerstone was shattered this whole time which is why he was only able to use a fraction of its actual power
Yeah the cornerstone allows him to use a portion of Diamonds emanator powers. He was at like 1/2 or even 1/4 of Acheron’s full power (guesstimating)
@@kilagraa Probably closer to 1/20-1/100 of Acheron's full power. There are ten cornerstones, comprising the power of one Emanator. Acheron is one Emanator all on her own.
@@Eedden42the emantors may not all be equal power, but yah since he only has 1/10th of it he’s obviously not on the same level
@@kilagraaAcheron by herself is like 150%-200% of an Emanator because except Emanator power she also has that insane blade
Aventurine with uncrushed stone have at the very very 10% of Emanator's power, very likely lower because I am sure that Diamond still have more power himself
Now reduce that 10% Aventurine has even further and it turns out its like below 5% of Emanator's power vs 150%-200% lol
@ where are u getting these numbers
You can still see the acheron's slash when you go to that location after defeating him
music at 1:21 is crazy tbh i wish i could listen to the clean BGM
I think it's Acheron's " Your Color " theme
1:54 Bro, that hit hard asf
Literally
Just like acherons theme that hits so hard
does nobody talk about how fucking cool the music is
I love both of these characters! I saw another content creator post a theory the other day that the Theme song of Penacony White Night the lyrics refer to Aventurine, and I must say I find it an apt hypothesis.
Tartaglia: *”who are you?…”*
Aventurine: *”I’m you but cooler”*
Last cutscene is just like punishing grey raven’s alpha trailer….the way she pull the sword and everything
the cutscene was pure gold. it’s been 4 months and I still get shivers whenever I see it
I love this cutscene so much the music is so good❤
I just refuse to believe that powerful slash didn't leveled the city to the ground
Because Archeron didn't want to
That slash wasn't supposed to level a city to the ground. The one in her Trailer was tho and she didn't perform that slash, here she just made a simple slice.
Acheron can but didn't want to
She did say that it was a very sharp blade. She made a clean upwards cut/slash
It left a cut in the reality (just go back and see the arena), soooooo, it kinda did
Welt was about to spawn a black hole in there. Acheron's slash might actually be less damage than what Welt was planning lmao
lol welt will destroy the whole penacony if acheron didn't take action
Lmao
Yea welt would probably level the city with this
And im still wondering how did acheron not destroy the city with that slash
@@Goum1
Well compared to a blackhole, a spatial slash is much more less collateral.
Him doing that is basically a declaration of war against Xipe and the Family and Welt is not stupid to do that. Dude is laying low with his powers or else he might get ganged up by atracting the Aeons and he might end up like Tazzyronth 😂😂😂
Bro said "Fuck it, we ball" even though he knew he couldn't win. What a chad.
Acheron's existence really shows how OP is IX😨
Edit: Why is my reply section suddenly turn into a debate, y'all please chill😭
There's many op Aeons more than ix like HOOH and Also fuli who old aeons
Preservation (Qlipoth) is also one of them
@@Scetch28 Yep, but I honestly really invested with Terminus, they seems like an Aeon that plays a huge role in the upcoming story soon!
@@Scetch28IX is literally top tier
The embodiment of nothingness should literally be on par with finality since that's literally what you get after
@@source324 the f he is not even Aeons old era
Tayzarroth>>>current aeons
Really need collaboration between Strong Aeons lime HOOH and ENA also Fuli to defeat Tayzarroth
And whole SAM army to defeat his swarm ix ain't anything compare to old era while tayzarroth still alive
2:39 is so cool lol 😆
Idle Death Gamble VS Infinite Void
2:02 RAIDEN MEI!? (Sorry I was using gloves)
I think if you return to the arena after the quest, you'll see some NPC casting healing magic on the slice made by Acheron
i find it kinda cute that Welt and Himeko shielded Caelus and March at the sight of danger, i love found family 😔
dude just got the Childe treatment, at least i hope it doesn't go to waste like that writer did with Inazuma and Jingliu's story
Aventurine didn't die, Shaoji is on a whole different level than "that writer". Don't underestimate him.
@@QuangHaMinh-hg8vs , i know he didn't die, but let's see if he doesn't end like a punchbag. Also, not understimating, but that writer has gotten away with so much stuff.
@@snakecake-mw7vw Far from the punching bag, he was heavily nerfed by breaking his cornerstone into pieces before using it, if his cornerstone is on the great shape he would at least be able to knock us out almost instantly until Acheron moves to shut his shit up.
@@snakecake-mw7vwi mean losing to an emantor is not at all being a punching bag, man was kinda owning the astral express till acheron came in. Like you have to understand this girl is so strong her slash cuts through the protection made by many dreamweavers of the family and destroyed even aventurine himself
@@snakecake-mw7vwwhat do you mean "got away with "
99% of gambling addicts quit right before they hit it big
"Only by casting aside reason, does one truly gamble"
that's just another throwaway line for the normal person; but for gambling addicts or former gambling addicts , this hurts deep
speaking from experience, gambling addiction is real. It hijacks your brain and the dopamine hit of winning can turn the shittiest day into the best. If I was feeling down, all I had to do was gamble and win, it was so easy to be "happy" and forget the turd sandwhich day you had.
it came to a point that I was throwing caution into the wind and was able to justify the money I was pouring into gambling. Money is for spending, money is to make you happy and this makes me happy. Common sense and reason is cast aside once it hooks you.
well anyway that's just a little anecdote and warning to avoid gambling
I hope you are doing good in life now. I like how you shared your experience. Gambling addiction gradually does consume your soul. To a point you throw away all logic and reason.
But when one's determined enough, he/she can still get rid of their addiction.
Abruptly stopping an addiction never helps. Taking baby steps is the key.
Wish you a blessed and safe life!
It's also a bit on-the-nose for a gatcha game
Aventurine: Domain Expansion; Final Gamble
VS
Acheron: Domain Expansion; Herescher of Thunder
This animation is fricking insane and I hate it that we never rewatch it cuz once you go through a Story Quest you can never go back!!!!! This update made me love Aventurine because back in 2.0, I hated how smug he was until 2.1 hit me in the guts and had me witnessing him go through hell since the day he was born!
You can replay cutscenes in the data bank
@@chad6060Wait, what? Where is that option?
The cutscene was so badass I just had to come and watch it again 😩
Anyone keep rewatch this because of the music sound good
Maturing is realising that the danger wasn't Aventurine but Welt. Thank-you Acheron for saving the dreamscape from Welt💀
Acheron fr prevented the whole city to be destroyed by Welt 💀
Welt can control his power and also acheron is stronger than welt proof is that welt with an xianjou luofou general(jing yuan) basically an emanator of lan, a high elder vidyadara and the rest of the astral express crew struggled ti beat an emanator of nanook. While acheron easily one shot one shot someone with 3 cornerstone(power of 3 emanators) of qlipoth(aeon stronger than nanook). Plus the nihility is just op its stronger than even some previous era aeons like fuli(managed to annihilate all records of takamagehara and izumo in the garden of recollection with ease)
Unless we’re considering hi3 welt in that case i think my point still stands bcs acherons blade alone without the nihility self annihilator emanator powers
was basically forged using 12 divine keys. We dont know if the hsr divine keys have the same power as the hi3 ones but considering they were both forged for a similar purpose id assume so
@@vaggeliskapsiotis7623 OK. Few mistakes
1 cornerstone = 1/10th power of AN emenator
And Welt even threatened to annihilate Acheron because she knew too much about the Nameless.
HI3 Welt =HSR Welt
Welt is weak. Stop gassing him up
y'all gotta stop over hyping welt man. he lost most of his power and ain't what he used to be. yeah, he and dan heng are currently the strongest members of the express, but he's got nothing against the top-tiers of this universe
Acheron really said : "Getsuga Tenshou"🗣️🗣️🗣️
Man I love camdens voice
I love how the zone looks after the mission
“Stand proud Aventurine, you are strong.”
1:44 wait where did welt's black hole go?
Good question.
It erased itself 😂
I would love to have aventurine as boss. His fighting style is so good, i actually enjoyed it instead of having a hard time.
Penacony was 100% the best update yet.
Notice that Welt was about to use the star of eden, but Acheron casted before he could do so, thus hiding Welt's true potential
Welt can kill Aventurine and made his luck run out but Acheron saved him.. Because Acheron know to read thoughts mind of Aventurine and others..
@@diaochan7506 Aventurine He wasn't a threat to Welt, he was just provoking Acheron,and his battle It him would not bê that easy like mid diff for welt
@@diaochan7506 no need for mind reading : Aventurine invite Acheron to attack.
"Emanator, i know you will match my wagger, right ?"
The only reason Acheron steps forward is that Welt gonna use the black hole
Acheron have mind and though read.. She know many things hidden in the deep of heart so she forced to take action.
Wow I wish my acheron was this good
could the river she's talking about possibly be a reference to the river Acheron, the pathway to the underworld? makes sense tbh
it actually is a reference to that same river
Acheron: I'm about to end this man's whole career
I just realized that aventurine's english VA somehow sounds like his JP VA
The fact that I *had* to pull for Acheron's LC(early pity btw) to defeat Aventurine shows how much I suck😭 but like, I can't wait for more lore drop
I couldn’t even defeat aventurine cuz I only build single target units
@@DreadLord-kp9tq I beat this with March 7th natasha and Trailblazer with a bat.
Just level up your Characters. Buying Lightcones from the banners is so unnecessary for Story questlines because it's designed to be doable without spending money.
Come on you can't suck that bad? you can just Brute force it. by getting heals from natasha or lynx. and shielding from march. any aoe character can work. it will just take time to finish.
@nocontent1276 i beat aventurine with acheron team using gnsw. Pretty sure it’s just a skill issue on your end:))
@@yuusha2150 I needa build Natasha and full build geppie and try again.
Aventurine wanted to go on the real side of penacony. He wanted to go to the place where the legacy or watchmaker was. He wasnt in penacony (the current one) but rather on the abyss (the real side of penacony) his goal isnt that of what the preservation but it only align with his goal although he does feel grateful for them that is why he is moving in the way that will benefit them. Using the IPC in his more grandeus plan just to what? I wager that it was to at least exact revenge against fate (bc avign seems to always repay blood debt) or do a time travel. (Just my opinion though on how the story is unfolding. It seems like penacony is different and that world actually matters)
Huh I thought he got sent somewhere outside of penacony. I think that place is supposed to be limbo rather than the original penacony since acharon gave him a choice to either enter the void and die or pursue life
@@imnotreanalbertospynotatal6968 The way I see it the moment acheron slash using her sword. All the fabrication, illusion of penaconny shatters, allowing aventurine to slip through the gap and possibly proceed to the real penaconny.
There is also the thing that Dr. Ratio gives him that he should only use if he really thinks that he is on a pinch. Everything up to that point is a gamble that is why he never uses the bottle yet.
"If penaconny has a beautiful dream there is also a nightmare. After all these illusions, one needs to wake up". A rough sketch but I think this is the theme that they are aiming for.
@@Kurisu139 but we did visit the original dreamscape in the story in "a child's dream". That void I think belongs to acharon for her to "guide the departed"
@@imnotreanalbertospynotatal6968 you really think aventurine died?
@@Kurisu139 Acharon knew what he was trying to achieve, told him "your gamble isn't over yet" and gave him a choice: to either go in the void or to continue living. That's why I'm pretty sure that void domain thing isn't penacony but rather Limbo
if you go back to the theater acheron legit just left a scar on the sky wtf
Idk why but acherons music when she unsheathes her sword sounds/reminds me of something from risk of rain 2
welt about to use star of eden and wiping out the entire penacony☠️🔪
He would have killed Himeko, March and us in the process
@@KhataFranciaI think Stelle and March is not affected and Acheron surely will nullyfid the power..
Remember his fight again't Himeko's father, he can just put Aventurine in his dimension
@@captive8670 almost 90% of the hsr fan base dont know what Welt can do cuz most of his lore is locked behind Hi3 game and his Visual Novels and Manga💀
Gate of babylon vs Domain expansion 😂
the voice actors killed it on on this cutscene
I want the theme for this SO BAD
Star Rail is definitely Hoyo's favourite child
Acerhon: I must stop this madness before Welt spawn that black hole 🏃♀️
NGL - I am a huge Final Fasntasy X Fan. And this Fight... gave me those vibes. I love it.
Match my wager - aventurine line hits differently now after understanding the lore better. Since aventurine is betting his life in proving real death does not exist in the dreamscape, he was asking acheron to match his wager and acheron accepts. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it the reason why acheron is hesitant to unsheath her sword unless its the last resort is that her sword is being powered by her life force so matching bets between them is laying down both their lives on the table..
im pretty sure what aventurine meant about "match my wager" isn't about the stakes of his bet but the outcome. he wants acheron to prove, with him, that death isn't real in the dreamscape.
about the sword--
her life doesn't really depend on it. she doesn't unsheathe it unless necessary because it is the vessel through which she commands her power as an emanator, and also through which her memories are stored. clearly she has a ton of traumatizing and awful memories, as seen in the dance she did with black swan, and unsheathing her sword forces her to experience those emotions again (which is probably why she cries in her ult animation, for example)
Why every HSR dialogue is like puzzles or a quote they read somewhere like most of what they saying im like “k…so what do you mean exactly”
Spoiler/Recap:
Acheron removed the curse of Harmony from Aventurine with the power of Nihility, and "killed him" in the dream so he can reach where the Watchmaker's Legacy is, an exile land beyond Penacony
You can think it as another realm overlapped with Penacony, and only accessable through death in dream
By creating an "absolutely safe dream", where dying just simply waking you up, the family can hide the legacy forever
But then Memory Zone Meme "Death" and Acheron showed up, they're the only two who can create actual death inside Penacony
Therefore Aventurine set up a gamble, betting that Acheron will use her true power to kill him, and sending him to where the legacy hides
And now, after 2.1, we can speculate that there are currently 4 people who reached that realm: Firefly, Robin, Aventurine, Sunday
And Firefly somehow returned from that realm
but firefly
came back within literal seconds bc she is also sam so it doesn't make any sense. bc hoyo wants to make firefly into a nother waifu that u can collect
Why Sunday?
@@nagisamomoe125 thats a pretty reductive way to look at it
@@tasniasamiha7695 Finished the story?
Firefly said that she was never able to dream in her life so maybe using this she was able to come back?@@nagisamomoe125
Gaiathra Triclops somewhere be like, "You're really pushing your luck, kid. Really, really pushing it... I feel disrespected, oh my.
And you're involving "Death" here? D: What did I ever do to you? (sigh) I uh... I'm gonna give you more luck to push through. Don't embarrass me in front of these Aeons."
2:06 reminds me of crimson weave lol
whats crazy for me is her speed, like everyone and everything is just in slow motion and she walks CASUALLY
She froze time apparently
Acheron is so badass🤩🤩🤩
It rained that day....just like when he was born...just like during his birthday when his sister died....
Not Acheron doing the Naruto Ultimate Ninja Storm ult finisher on Aventurine 💀
Love acheron pulling the alpha crimson weave pose
My baby aventurine
Get owned simp
Gets humbled lmao
@@oyahchirosama6717 help
Pathetic he is not even close to the same lvl acheron
@@shahrinnaim631well He still make Her all out her power + Aventurine able to fight an Whole express
And you know he is not even an Emanator
I lost to him so many times. His swag was too much for me
I used gerpared to just shield my other characters
But like... why is Welt in the title? I don't see his contribution, if it was just the nameless, then why single out Welt?
This was essentially Acheron and the nameless vs Aventurine. Smh
Edit: The title name got edited :'v
Cause 2 reasons for it prob being there
Hes welt
And hes prob one of the strongest char lol
(People glaze him
I do too)
Welt won't reveal cards until he needs it
@@kizunarin2795 oh ya and that to
Also he prob doesnt want to draw attention to himself lol
If Acheron didn't step up it was over for both Aventurine and Penacony cause Welt was about to unleash that Star of Eden.
This fraud would do nothing 😂
There's too many factors to count on whether he could unlseah more power than acheron, Welt in his prime could definitely do some damage but 99% could not slash through the harmony's protection, considering he has the herrscher core and could actually withstand the entire authority of truth he could create anything he wanted, basically if he could unleash the true power of the star of eden everyone goes boom but then there's no fun on revealing the trump card at the start so we'll have to wait and hope we get a welt upgrade 🙏
Adventurine had to use his domain expansion but acheron used shadow style technique simple domain to counter.
Thank you Acheron for saving Acheron from Welt power
Dude got sent to the shadow realm, literally
So cool
Ohh god he's so cool😭😭
She really pulled out thr judgement cut
Me in this scene: is that all money covering the sky HIS MONEY???
Give me give me!! I will be rich!! The totals is amount of one million dollar..
I hope Acheron joins the Astral Express family 😢
She won't she do her work in her way
She will not, I know that. She is higher rank person same as Archon..
for those are wondering, no Advent didn't the die lmao. i think his plan was to show that death is something plausible in the dreamscape, though i don't think "death" can be achieved the way he's thinking.
I think in the dreamscape "death" is basically masked as a nightmare. It shows with the events that we seen in the story, but each event is different with a same outcome (like what we saw with Robin, Firefly, and Sunday). this also show more depth with the Aeon that is IX or Nihility. Basically nihility is seen as an outcast of a Aeon rather than your other Aeon like Preservation or The Hunt. Unlike other Aeon's, Nihility makes the literal impossible to the possible in any unviable situation, given Archeon was able to subdue the Harmony effect off of advent. This also shows that Nihility itself is almost an enemy to the Harmony it seems. Its clear that Archeon shouldn't be there and its clear that The family is against the nihility.
One final thing. I think the premise of "death" in the dreamscape is really fascinating, especially with the npc knowledge during the adevent quest asking if they know what/where death is. It also goes to show that "death" is in fact a nightmare due to everything leading up with the Meme's death. What i mean by that, is that simply i think the Meme death is the concept of "death" something someone don't wanna truly go out by. It is literally getting your whole chest blown out. I genuinely believe these character we've seen that was killed by the meme death aren't truly dead but a experiencing nightmare, this also going off by clear fact that any given dream, is also dealt with a nightmare. Don't you think that its really weird that the dreamscape, where anything is possible with the simply thought and at any given moment? Want money, they got that. Want to drink endless alcohol that is soulglad, they got that too. Okay how about manipulating the area to create a paradox and illusions, those owls? they got that too. Its all too weird for having such a dream without suffering consequences that is a nightmare. Oh i guess the Watchmaker exist, everyone knows it Misha. OH! that reminds me whenever Gallagher was talking to Sunday at the end, its clear that they both know each other really well, almost if they are bothers. Well half bothers, or step bother. Obviously theres no clear sign about this, but i believe the Watchmaker was trying to find the next Watchmaker before conflict events happen between the The family and the Watchmaker. How crazy if Gallagher is the watchmaker, afterall the watchmaker does hate the family, and Sunday is tied with the family. but IDKKKK
Misha is just innocent boy he is not the one who made the conflict.. Even if he related to watchmaker he still innocent, he is just a guide.
Deamn penacony should be happy that acheron solved this situation because if welt did his black hole, well… only giant crater will remain in the place 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Welt was ready to pull another "KNEEL!"
sees himeko in near death scenario:
mind: NEVER LET YOU GOOOOOOOOOOOO
acheron prevented penacony from getting destroyed by welt
Not to mention himeko
@@Sunny_Livingconditions Himeko is weaker than Acheron and Welt, she doesn't have any raw power on her own, only those orbital cannons which did nothing to Aventurine 💀
Idk why people is still considering welt is stronger than Acheron. While he cant even use the full power of the Authority of reason, that cane also is only a replica.....it doesnt even has half of the real star of edens power. Man HI3rd elitist fr. Let the man rest, hes already old.
@@nagiba8645 let him rest then what's the point of him going to hsr universe isn't it to protect himeko because he saw the sky people targeting himeko
@@nagiba8645 Welt in Honkai: Star Rail is the same iteration of him as seen in Honkai Impact 3rd. His story takes place after the events of the "Alien Space" manga and A Post-Honkai Odyssey. He left Earth after an alien invasion, hoping to protect other worlds from similar predicaments.
So i don't think he will have a rest anytime soon lol
acheron: "my meager stregth"
everyone: what a loaf of bullsh
Right!? I heard that line and said the exact thing
all is a matter of perspective.
she hopes to kill IX, so she is weak
I've been playing HSR since its release, but I still have no idea what Himeko's weapon is. Is that a drone???
a drone, a pizza cutter and an orbital cannon
That's some Kianaless behavior
Best cutscene ever,