Henry VIII’s Illegitimate Daughter?
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- Опубликовано: 19 окт 2024
- I'm kicking off a new series on Henry VIII, the second Tudor monarch who ruled from 1509 until his death in 1547. He’s a figure that fascinates and divides opinion, often seen as either a tyrant or a complex ruler who achieved much during his reign. 🚩👑
Want to join me for a deeper dive? I’m hosting a members-only livestream here on RUclips this Sunday, 28th July, at 10pm UK time / 5pm New York time. Let’s chat Tudor history and share our views on this iconic king. 💬📜 You can become a channel member by clicking on "join" on my channel homepage or going to / @anneboleynfiles
In this series, I’ll explore the lives of those rumoured to be Henry VIII's illegitimate children. While he had three legitimate children-Mary I, Elizabeth I, and Edward VI-and one acknowledged illegitimate son, Henry Fitzroy, Duke of Richmond and Somerset, there were whispers of other offspring. One such intriguing figure is Ethelreda Malte, whose life blends fact, conjecture, and Tudor intrigue. 🤫🔍
Join me as I unravel the mystery of Ethelreda Malte, also known as Etheldreda, Audrey or Esther. Born in the late 1520s or early 1530s, she was described as the "bastard daughter of John Malte, a tailor of the Great Wardrobe, by Joan Dyngley alias Dobson." Yet, there are compelling hints that she might have been Henry VIII's own child. 👶🔍
Could the king's generous grants to Ethelreda and John Malte suggest a deeper connection? What about her alleged close relationship with Queen Elizabeth I? And who was Ethelreda's mother, really? Dive into the enigma of Ethelreda Malte with me and discover the untold stories of the Tudor court. 📜👸
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Watch now to uncover the secrets of Henry VIII's rumoured illegitimate daughter, Ethelreda Malte!
I could totally see Henry rewarding a tailor for concealing his ever growing body in stylish clothing!
Ha!
Just read that about Ethelreda that she had a daughter with her husband Harington and then died the same month that Queen Elizabeth I was crowned Queen. Also some interesting tidbits, Ethelreda's husband is the ancestor of the Earls of Sandwhich and actor Kit Harington.
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I've never heard of this mysterious illegitimate daughter so found this episode particularly interesting. Wouldn't it be fascinating to know the truth!? Looking forward to more episodes from the new Henry VIII series 💜
Thank you!
I wonder if he had any other children ?
It’s always seemed slapdash to me that Mary Boleyn’s children are automatically assumed to be Henry’s children by so many, despite the actual evidence not specifying how long the affair went on. It simply may have been a brief relationship that got exaggerated later to attack the Boleyn’s reputation. It’s disappointing to see the slut shaming towards Mary, with her portrayals in fiction often making promiscuity her main character trait, and ignoring that maybe she didn’t really have a choice in being Francis and Henry mistress.
Some of the so called evidence that some of these people use for proof is that Catherine oldest child looked like Elizabeth. They don’t stop to think that of course there was a chance that some of the kids might look like Elizabeth due to the fact that both Catherine and Elizabeth mothers were sisters. Both of my brother have kids that look alike. Looking alike can occur in families especially if the genes are strong. The Boleyn genes were clearly strong.
Agreed 💯
Extremely slapdash. You get arguments like "Henry granted William Carey loads of land!", but as Claire has pointed out, Henry granted land to loads of people, & he wasn't sleeping with all their wives. And of course you can't discount the influence of Philippa Gregory here, the bane of historical accuracy. I guess at least she doesn't sl*t-shame Mary- she's about the only woman Philippa DOESN'T vilify- but yes, it's disgusting to sl*t-shame anyone, & particularly for being a king's mistress- how likely is it that they could say no? Is it definite that Mary had an affair with Francis I though, or was that just more gossip &/or sl*t-shaming, plus the fact that Francis _did_ chase everything in a skirt?
In a way, though, the Boleyns got the last laugh. Whether you believe Mary’s kids were Henry’s or not, they did well for themselves, and I love the fact that their bloodline married into the current British Royals. Meanwhile, despite everything Henry did to try to have a son and see his dynasty continue, it ended anyway, at least in part because of the impact of his actions on his children.
Yes, I really think that it fits more with what we know about Henry for his relationship with Mary Boleyn to have been before her marriage, like with Elizabeth Blount, and that he then arranged a good match for her when he'd finished with her.
Thank you. Seeing the immense importance Henry VIii placed on his appearance, as did all royalty and nobility, and how important clothing was to him especially in his less flattering years, I feel it is very plausible that he wanted to show his tailor great favour
True!
I love watching you, and I have for years!
Me too
Aw, thank you!
Thanks for this Claire 😄
Fun to hear about little known Tudor people and stories.
Had not heard about Ethelreda, who stands out with an Anglo Saxon name. Makes a change from all the Marys, Margarets, Catherines, Annes and Elizabeths etc.
Had she been born a man, Henry may have acknowledged her had she really been his offspring. At least she benefited from from Henry's wealth in some way whatever the reason.
Easy to imagine Henry having bunk ups with a laundress or two especially during his pursuit of Anne. It was a long time for Henry to remain chaste, don't know if he could hold out that long.
ikr, I love the name! You get the odd interesting one like Lettice, Eglantyne & a female Douglass, & they're instantly memorable.
I agree it'd be different if Henry had an illegitimate son. It's why I'm 99% certain Henry Carey wasn't his- I refuse to believe nobody ever mentioned _a healthy surviving son of Henry VIII!_ Especially not a son of Anne Boleyn's sister!
Yes, it's a different name!
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It would be just as well for her if she wasn't the King's daughter. She would be in and out of favour. The apple of his eye one minute, in danger of execution the next. Such stress!
For sure! 😖
The possibility that Henry VIII had an illegitimate daughter not commonly mentioned is fascinating. I wonder what would have happened if Ethelreda had been a son?
I wish there was a painting of her. Thanks Claire, maybe there’s more Tudor descendants than we know of.
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I have heard of her, and, when the thumbnail said it wasn't Catherine Carey, I immediately assumed it was Ethelreda. I read a novel about her a few years back, Royal Inheritance by Kate Emerson, where she is presented as Audrey Malte.
I haven't read that one, what's it like?
@@anneboleynfiles it was very good. I didn't like how she pined over her husband for years, and that he only seemed interested in her for her status, however, and was having an emotional (if not physical) affair with his second wife by the end of the novel. Quite sad.
@@Originella ok, thanks, I'll have to look out for it.
Many thanks Claire for this intriguing broadcast. There are so many mysteries surrounding Henry's reign, which makes life so much more interesting for those of us who are completely hooked on the Tudors. Looking forward to the forthcoming episodes.
Maybe the answer is a bit as Claire says: Henry had occasional liasons whilst courting Anne. And so when Ethelreda’s mother became with child, maybe she was Henry’s, maybe not.
I wish we knew!
Wonderful, as usual!
I have never heard of Ethel before your video. Thank you for such an interesting topic ...
By the way, you look fabulous! Your haircut is great, earrings too! But I commend you on your tattoos. I just can't do it. Bravo to you!😊🎉
Thank you so much!
I was really hoping there was a physical description of her. I think all his legitimate heirs look like each other even though they had different mothers. It's a little crazy that in my brain if she had red hair, it would have been enough confirmation. Like there is no one else in Tudor England with red hair.
I had heard before that he had a child by a laundress, but never knew their names. It actually raises him a little in my opinion that he provided for her regardless if she was his or not. I like that you named them.
Yes, he was very generous to her and her father.
It would be cool if we could do a DNA test😊
@ccasey1904 I was thinking the very same thing. Alas, I think that the prospect of that ever happening are slim to none.
On a purely superficial level ...your hair looks great! Love the history lessons too
Oh thank you!
That is such an interesting video…… many thanks.
That was interesting. I had never heard of her.
Hi 👋
Me too 😉
Hi Claire,
I recently went home for a weekend and my parents were really into the show ‘The Serpent Queen’ based on Catherine de Medici. I know you like to review period dramas on this channel sometimes. Is this one you’ve done? If so what did you think? Following on from that, have you done a video on Catherine de Medici before? Her story seems very interesting. If not would you consider doing one in the future? She seems a very divisive figure so it would be interesting to hear about what primary sources say and how much we can trust or read into the main sources we have on her.
Thank you for all your hard work and many videos. They are always very interesting.
It's one I haven't watched yet. I don't actually watch a lot of TV as I'm a bookworm, but I will have to watch it.
@@anneboleynfilesI’m the same. I don’t actually have a TV where I live, hence never hearing of this series until I went to my parents’. 😅
Very interesting
Looking at the exceptional generosity from Henry, very likely she was his daughter.
Except it was the same generosity that he gave to all his courtiers. He was not that generous with William Carey.
It was a lot of money he gave.
Very interesting …… theres being generous but those sums are huge…..
Would be interesting to know the amounts of Henry’s other ‘gifts’ to other skilled suppliers?
I never heard of this contender for a daughter, this real interesting i always leaned on the side of Catherine Cary was his daughter. There seems to be few parallels between Catherine lives this maybe daughter. This might be a pattern of how he took care of them. I have always leaned toward Catherine Cary because of how close Elisabeth I was to her and how she acted toward her. If this women served Elisabeth at the same time with Catherine that is interesting.
I lean to Catherine not being his purely because I think his relationship with Mary Boleyn was while Elizabeth Blount was pregnant and before Mary's marriage.
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omg.
philipa gregory & philipa langley have had a dramatic seizure at this episode..
its intresting and fascinating...
A few moments searching reveals a few descendants from the same line of Etheldreda’s daughter Hester (married name) Stubbes. Georgina Frances English age 66 and Philippa Katharine English age 61.
Interesting. Are there any dna references that can be traced or did her line die out?
This one is tantalisingly possible. I tend to dismiss the other rumoured fatherings, because I see Henry as being proud of any products of his loins, 😊, but if the mother was very lowly born, and he was courting Anne Boleyn at the time, well, there might have been reason not to acknowledge? I agree there's not enough evidence, but the more I think on it.....ooooooh.
There's a portrait of her, I believe. She looks like Henry. I believe he had several illegitimate children
I was Staniel in the Tudor era
I think that the level of Henry's generosity can suggest at least a possibility that she was his daughter. Giving extra support to his loyal tailor is one thing - a gift of yearly wages or even that £1000, but to bestow multiple lands? All because he felt sorry for his royal tailor to be the sole carer of a single child? People had multiple children on their regular wages, and there are no records of Henry running a proto-child benefit scheme for his staff?
If only Henry’s DNA could be gathered from his tomb and compared to ancestors of his theoretical offspring.
Viewers will also be surprised to learn that King Edward 7th and Queen Alexandra had an illigitimate son.
The then Prince Bertie and Princess Alexandra, met in September 1861 by arrangement, with a view of marriage.
By December 1861, her pregnancy was obvious and Prince Albert furiously confronted his son, Bertie, passing shortly after.
The confrontation was hushed up by announcing the incidence was in connection with a dalliance between Bertie and an actress, to spare the dignity and moral standing of both the UK and Danish Royal Families.
Alexandra was sent to South Africa, where she met the intended foster parents and in June 1862, their son was born, unannounced, baptized with an assumed name and sadly, abandoned.
Alexandra returned home to become engaged to Bertie and eventually they married, thus legitimising their eldest son, whose descendants have irrefutable DNA evidence of their zero distance between them and the Royal Family relatives.
Zero distance DNA evidence.
Hiya Claire, I thought you were going to say "Ethelred the unready" I'm not to sure who he was, on a serious note, Did Henry V111 sister Margaret leave Henrys court because it was poison?
I rather doubt what then constituted rewarding a faithful retainer or sympathy for one having an illegitimate daughter would have extended to such amounts of money. And Henry VIII was an extremely mercenary fellow. From what is known about him I rather doubt that is the case. I never heard of this myself but why wasn’t the subject of current descendants of Etheldreda through her daughter Hester and seeking out dna, speculated on?
What is missing evidence is : Did this lady resemble Henry viii in any way?
At least Henry was mostly british as opposed to the current mostly german king.
I'm not sure what "British" is. William the Conqueror, or William I, was French, we'd been invaded by Romans, Anglo-Saxons and Vikings over the centuries and it was the norm for monarchs to marry foreign royalty, so what do you count as "British"?