I saw Tom with Wayne Shorter as well the Summer of 1986. (with Mitchell Forman on keys and Gary Willis on bass). Fantastic rythmn section... but my eyes were glued to Tom! They opened for The Elecktric Band with a young Dave Weckl playing his tiny drums. What a night!
wow I bet that was amazing! I saw him before the Oct 86 MD issue came out w/ him on the cover so he wasn't even on my radar yet when I saw Tom. So good!
The black dots were a blast! I still have them, swapped back to my "go to" (Aquarian class clears) about a year ago. But they are fun for sure. I took the 6 down a few weeks ago as well as the 2nd kick for a while, just trying to get the HH closer so I put up the double pedal. You can see that set up in my last video and you can even see the 6" sitting on the floor by the floor toms. I'm still not sure where to put it without it being out of place. But I like that I have it as an option if I want
Thanks for the breakdown! Drums & Drumming magazine had a transcription of this song a long time ago but I don't think that lick was there. Tom is one of the greats!
Ok I have a question: is what your doing (playing in 5 while in 4) considered a polyrhythm? I've been trying to understand the difference between odd note groupings, playing over the barline and ployrhythms any explanation would be appreciated
Hey Mark! Ya know... i'm kind of a dork and to me I don't think of it as a poly rhythm (that term always freaked me out) but I guess in reality it is... but I just hear it in 4. meaning - I count regular 16ths but the accent is after every 5 notes - 1e&a 2E&a 3e AND a 4 e & AH..... does that make sense? To me that just grooves better vs trying to play it and think of all this math which is taking me from grooving it
@JeffWald yes it makes sense I've been experimenting with it ever since I saw this video I wish you would make more - I've simply just been counting 12345 while playing in 4 and I noticed that after 4 rotations it comes back in on 1 - Its great for an over the barline fill - I also noticed how it works with 7 or even 3 - One cool thing I came up with (and believe me i aint no math guy either) is if you play two 5's and a 7, on count 7 it's back in on 1 - I love how these concepts often open doors to other things thanks
@@markfish9783 Yeah, all the math combos (when you can feel/internalize them) are killer! I did this in a triplet feel (La Do Da solo) but figured the math ahead of time. Basically two bars is 24 eighth notes so I knew I could do a cool sounding over the bar line fill if I did it like this - 5 + 5 + 5 + 5 + 4 (24!) - and it worked! Sticking is RLRRF and the 4 is just RFRF. I wasn't thinking of when 8th note the next snare hit fell on or anything - just played that 5 pattern four times & ended it w/ the 4. Here it was from a couple years ago, around 1:00 ruclips.net/video/Blm6tg5R5LU/видео.htmlsi=f12sk6I2LRg0fFH5&t=53
@@JeffWald Thanks, Jeff. Can you do a breakdown of Tom's solo with Chick in that infamous clip at Stuttgart? He explained to me but I had never heard of some of the beats he adapted there.
I saw Tom with Wayne Shorter as well the Summer of 1986. (with Mitchell Forman on keys and Gary Willis on bass). Fantastic rythmn section... but my eyes were glued to Tom! They opened for The Elecktric Band with a young Dave Weckl playing his tiny drums. What a night!
wow I bet that was amazing! I saw him before the Oct 86 MD issue came out w/ him on the cover so he wasn't even on my radar yet when I saw Tom. So good!
what a nice great phrase Tom has a lot of those One of my favs
Me too! One of the best
Great lesson Jeff! Super cool lick! Very cool Tom reached out!
Yeah, that was unexpected for him to take the time to do that when I asked. Hero!
That is an outstanding lick! Super cool that Tom replied to you with a video to help!
I know! He's been a hero of mine since 1986 when I saw him with Wayne Shorter so the few messages have been really cool to get
excellent! thanks
Great playing as per usual. Interesting drum head choice. Don't see black dots much. Also love the 6 inch tom, kinda rare too!
The black dots were a blast! I still have them, swapped back to my "go to" (Aquarian class clears) about a year ago. But they are fun for sure. I took the 6 down a few weeks ago as well as the 2nd kick for a while, just trying to get the HH closer so I put up the double pedal. You can see that set up in my last video and you can even see the 6" sitting on the floor by the floor toms. I'm still not sure where to put it without it being out of place. But I like that I have it as an option if I want
@@JeffWald Cool. Thanks
Thanks for the breakdown! Drums & Drumming magazine had a transcription of this song a long time ago but I don't think that lick was there. Tom is one of the greats!
He absolutely is! I never saw the D&D transcription, I was mainly into MD in the 80s/early 90s. Keep up your good work, always love your playing!
Have you heard the original version of this song that Vinnie played on? His break down section was really cool how he modulated the time.
I have not! What album is it on? I'd love to hear that, never knew he played it. Thanx Neil!
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Ok I have a question: is what your doing (playing in 5 while in 4) considered a polyrhythm? I've been trying to understand the difference between odd note groupings, playing over the barline and ployrhythms any explanation would be appreciated
Hey Mark! Ya know... i'm kind of a dork and to me I don't think of it as a poly rhythm (that term always freaked me out) but I guess in reality it is... but I just hear it in 4. meaning - I count regular 16ths but the accent is after every 5 notes - 1e&a 2E&a 3e AND a 4 e & AH..... does that make sense? To me that just grooves better vs trying to play it and think of all this math which is taking me from grooving it
@JeffWald yes it makes sense I've been experimenting with it ever since I saw this video I wish you would make more - I've simply just been counting 12345 while playing in 4 and I noticed that after 4 rotations it comes back in on 1 - Its great for an over the barline fill - I also noticed how it works with 7 or even 3 - One cool thing I came up with (and believe me i aint no math guy either) is if you play two 5's and a 7, on count 7 it's back in on 1 - I love how these concepts often open doors to other things thanks
@@markfish9783 Yeah, all the math combos (when you can feel/internalize them) are killer! I did this in a triplet feel (La Do Da solo) but figured the math ahead of time. Basically two bars is 24 eighth notes so I knew I could do a cool sounding over the bar line fill if I did it like this - 5 + 5 + 5 + 5 + 4 (24!) - and it worked! Sticking is RLRRF and the 4 is just RFRF. I wasn't thinking of when 8th note the next snare hit fell on or anything - just played that 5 pattern four times & ended it w/ the 4. Here it was from a couple years ago, around 1:00 ruclips.net/video/Blm6tg5R5LU/видео.htmlsi=f12sk6I2LRg0fFH5&t=53
Not clear how the 5 fits into the 4.
Its regular 16th notes but grouped in 5 (1:39). So after every 5 16th notes, the accent changes. Its an illusion but once you get it, a very fun lick
@@JeffWald Thanks, Jeff. Can you do a breakdown of Tom's solo with Chick in that infamous clip at Stuttgart? He explained to me but I had never heard of some of the beats he adapted there.
@@jazzsnare I'll have to check it out. I've seen that solo (from 88, right?) but don't remember that section. I'll see what I can do!
please wear shoes...
negative 😎. I'm all about the comfort