Fun to watch Chinaco get those dots connected. Thanks for putting up such informative videos. Love your 'Houla pup, they're one of my favorite breeds - I'm on my 4th one.
This series on this colt is great! It is helpful to see how you read this colt and "multitask" to get him where you want him. No colt is perfect in the beginning yet seeing you deal with his varied attitudes and expressions is helpful. As far as bits go people have a hard time understanding that a bit is a "freno" (simply a brake), they are not for steering the horse, simply checking and controlling forward motion which is called in the horse world collection, bridling up, rating, and a number of other terms people assume are the same thing, though they are not. Rating refers particularly to controlling speed. Collection and bridling up while similar are about balance and improving the horses ability to sense and respond to the riders seat. In fact the bit has to do with only one directional cue, that is slow down stop and backup. The seat is for rating speed, moving left or right on the hind or forehand. I started riding with a bunch of Okies, and cutting horse trainers, who used Texas style neck reining, which works for a lot of things, but in my opinion lacks the finesse of a true bridle horse. The two methods are very different, and causes a lot of confusion among novices in the horse world, especially when it comes to bits and how they are designed to work. It was not until understood my seats ability to rate and move a horse where I need him that things began to make sense. When that happened for me it began to make me a better and more useful rider.
My "horsemanship experience" is limited to occasional tour riding on icelandic horses (you can really cruise on them!). Your videos have given me huge appreciation for the work and skill involved in making a ranch horse. Seeing you riding them for real work makes me wonder, though, if a pinch of magic isn't involved too! Greetings from Sweden.
They are completely different. A double bridle consists of a curb bit with a fixed cheekpiece and a bridoon which is a very narrow snaffle. The curb bit works off of leverage and the bridoon works off of a direct pull. Contrast that to a Spade bit which has a loose cheekpiece. It is used as a signal not as leverage. Also, english bridles traditionally use a curb chain which has a bite to it. Spade bits are ridden with a curb strap which is just pressure in case you need to take a hold of the horse.
It depends on the job. Pat prefers a Huntaway while I have enjoyed working with BC/Kelpie crosses. Now I have a young Catahoula because he can travel better and is better in the heat.
Roman or Ronan? Looks to have a bit of lab. in him. A nice addition to your family. I must say, I am always amused, watching the collie/cattle dog of yours circle the round yard when you work horses. A few months ago, I started teaching my youngster to step his front end away by tapping on his shoulder. He will step over if I am beside him and tap with my fingers, or if I stand in front with a dressage whip. What would be the advantage of giving the signal up by his eye as you do? Can you explain any disadvantage of doing it the way I have been? My lad already knew how to step away from me when being led, which I achieved in a similar way to how you go about it here. I am just trying to get him to step by crossing his forelegs more from a standstill than anything by tapping the shoulder. Thoughts? That ear flick where you mentioned no flies, was what I was asking you about in one of your previous videos of Chinaco doing the logs. My wee lad has a temper too and I have been noticing he does the flick when he is going to wind himself up. Is it best to ignore it or change what you are asking to shut down the escalation of unwanted temper? Thanks.
The dog’s name is Ronan. The breed is a Catahoula. The dog that makes a circuit around the roundpen is a Kelpie. The reason I push on the left eye is to the horse will move his head to the right which will cause him to move his feet the same direction. When I ride him in the hackamore and want his front end to move to the right, I will bump his head to the right followed by my left leg. So on the ground, I am preparing for that particular move. What you are doing is liberty training. The horse is taught to respond to the whip and has no connection to you riding him. I mentioned in the video that is why I don’t use a flag or a stick. Because the horse is moving away from an object not following a feel and the horse knows when you don’t have a whip or a stick or some other prop. When I mentioned there were no flies, I was talking about his tail moving. The flick of an ear is when a horse looks the direction of the ear. I want that because it means he is looking where he’s planning to go. It’s not a sign of a temper.
@@PatnDebPuckett Oh, thank you for your reply. I often tap very lightly with my fingers on his shoulder, is that liberty too, I wonder or just a different way of asking the same thing? I will go back to your way (which he learnt as a yearling) and see if there is a difference in how we negotiate the logs. The ear thing I mean is quite subtle. I have watched Chinaco do it in the past in a straight line as well as here. Yes, I can see it is a directional thing here with his ear, at 18:36. Funny, I grew up around Kelpies and short haired heading dogs and I saw more of a heading dog than a kelpie in your one. You live and learn! (Perhaps I really do need a pair of glasses). I know nothing of catahoulas so will watch Ronan's progress into an adult with great interest. Thanks.
Tapping with anything, whether it’s a stick or your fingers, is a cue, not a feel. When you can just show up with your hand toward his eye and he moves, that’s a feel.
I just love watching you. The way, and the only way is to think like the horse. I wish more people understood
Thanks for your service, Pat
I tell you what guys I love this dang horse
thank you for your service
We sure will miss seeing you for our spring clinics. Thank you for the kind words and always being an open book with all of your knowledge!
Reed.
Fun to watch Chinaco get those dots connected. Thanks for putting up such informative videos. Love your 'Houla pup, they're one of my favorite breeds - I'm on my 4th one.
new pup.hope hes a goodun,thank you sir
This series on this colt is great! It is helpful to see how you read this colt and "multitask" to get him where you want him. No colt is perfect in the beginning yet seeing you deal with his varied attitudes and expressions is helpful.
As far as bits go people have a hard time understanding that a bit is a "freno" (simply a brake), they are not for steering the horse, simply checking and controlling forward motion which is called in the horse world collection, bridling up, rating, and a number of other terms people assume are the same thing, though they are not. Rating refers particularly to controlling speed. Collection and bridling up while similar are about balance and improving the horses ability to sense and respond to the riders seat. In fact the bit has to do with only one directional cue, that is slow down stop and backup. The seat is for rating speed, moving left or right on the hind or forehand.
I started riding with a bunch of Okies, and cutting horse trainers, who used Texas style neck reining, which works for a lot of things, but in my opinion lacks the finesse of a true bridle horse. The two methods are very different, and causes a lot of confusion among novices in the horse world, especially when it comes to bits and how they are designed to work. It was not until understood my seats ability to rate and move a horse where I need him that things began to make sense. When that happened for me it began to make me a better and more useful rider.
Thanks for another video Pat & Deb. I am working on the logs right now with my horse.
What an adorable puppy
Thanks for the video and hope you had a great Easter. Please keep up the videos while you are at home
Chinaco progress is so neat to see. I love this exercise and incorporate it in my sessions with my 9 yo and rising 2 yo.
He looks like he will collect up real good the way his head set is. Thanks for the video
My "horsemanship experience" is limited to occasional tour riding on icelandic horses (you can really cruise on them!). Your videos have given me huge appreciation for the work and skill involved in making a ranch horse. Seeing you riding them for real work makes me wonder, though, if a pinch of magic isn't involved too! Greetings from Sweden.
Thanks for sharing and take care. 👍
Great video thank you guys.
Love Kings Ropes
Thx
English riding, dressage and hunting was always done in a double bridal with a curb chain, similar to Western or Spade bits.
They are completely different. A double bridle consists of a curb bit with a fixed cheekpiece and a bridoon which is a very narrow snaffle. The curb bit works off of leverage and the bridoon works off of a direct pull. Contrast that to a Spade bit which has a loose cheekpiece. It is used as a signal not as leverage. Also, english bridles traditionally use a curb chain which has a bite to it. Spade bits are ridden with a curb strap which is just pressure in case you need to take a hold of the horse.
What is your cattle dog of choice?
It depends on the job. Pat prefers a Huntaway while I have enjoyed working with BC/Kelpie crosses. Now I have a young Catahoula because he can travel better and is better in the heat.
@@PatnDebPuckett not what I was expecting but it gives me an idea. Thanks
Can you tell us about making a truck dog too
Hi Pat. What’s the best way to get hold of you?
Thanks
Jonathan.
You can head to our website. We have a contact form, phone number, and mailing address...www.thedisciplinedride.com . Thanks!
How long is your lead rope?
12 feet
First comment thanks for the vid
He won't come and look you up tomorrow.
I’m happy to report that both horse and dog did in fact look us up the following day.
Roman or Ronan? Looks to have a bit of lab. in him. A nice addition to your family. I must say, I am always amused, watching the collie/cattle dog of yours circle the round yard when you work horses.
A few months ago, I started teaching my youngster to step his front end away by tapping on his shoulder. He will step over if I am beside him and tap with my fingers, or if I stand in front with a dressage whip. What would be the advantage of giving the signal up by his eye as you do? Can you explain any disadvantage of doing it the way I have been? My lad already knew how to step away from me when being led, which I achieved in a similar way to how you go about it here. I am just trying to get him to step by crossing his forelegs more from a standstill than anything by tapping the shoulder. Thoughts?
That ear flick where you mentioned no flies, was what I was asking you about in one of your previous videos of Chinaco doing the logs. My wee lad has a temper too and I have been noticing he does the flick when he is going to wind himself up. Is it best to ignore it or change what you are asking to shut down the escalation of unwanted temper? Thanks.
The dog’s name is Ronan. The breed is a Catahoula. The dog that makes a circuit around the roundpen is a Kelpie.
The reason I push on the left eye is to the horse will move his head to the right which will cause him to move his feet the same direction. When I ride him in the hackamore and want his front end to move to the right, I will bump his head to the right followed by my left leg. So on the ground, I am preparing for that particular move. What you are doing is liberty training. The horse is taught to respond to the whip and has no connection to you riding him. I mentioned in the video that is why I don’t use a flag or a stick. Because the horse is moving away from an object not following a feel and the horse knows when you don’t have a whip or a stick or some other prop.
When I mentioned there were no flies, I was talking about his tail moving. The flick of an ear is when a horse looks the direction of the ear. I want that because it means he is looking where he’s planning to go. It’s not a sign of a temper.
@@PatnDebPuckett Oh, thank you for your reply. I often tap very lightly with my fingers on his shoulder, is that liberty too, I wonder or just a different way of asking the same thing? I will go back to your way (which he learnt as a yearling) and see if there is a difference in how we negotiate the logs.
The ear thing I mean is quite subtle. I have watched Chinaco do it in the past in a straight line as well as here. Yes, I can see it is a directional thing here with his ear, at 18:36.
Funny, I grew up around Kelpies and short haired heading dogs and I saw more of a heading dog than a kelpie in your one. You live and learn! (Perhaps I really do need a pair of glasses). I know nothing of catahoulas so will watch Ronan's progress into an adult with great interest. Thanks.
Tapping with anything, whether it’s a stick or your fingers, is a cue, not a feel. When you can just show up with your hand toward his eye and he moves, that’s a feel.
@@PatnDebPuckett Clarified, sorry if I am a bit slow. No wonder my lad gets frustrated!