hi john am using headphones i dont know if its the way its eq,d but both sound a bit thin what do they sound like with the bass turned up, i basically play everything form 60,s to usual rock covers, and i am looking for the lightest 2x12 cab i can find but it has to have some proper bottom end. your thoughts and thanks
@@metalicman1948 Very good observation! This was the very first video I made when I got the Shure shotgun mic. I was so excited to get that mic, I bought it specifically so I could make videos like this. I listened to the video after uploading it, and was very disappointed that it didn't sound anything like what the cabinets sounded like in the room. Several weeks later, I actually read the manual that came with the mic, and found out that it has a built-in feature where it rolls off the lows below 150 Hz to prevent the mic from picking up rumbles and vibrations from the room, traffic, etc. And by default, the low frequency roll-off is enabled. So unfortunately, this recording was made with the lows significantly rolled off! Once I found that out, I really should have just taken down this video because it is completely invalid as far as what you are actually hearing. Regrettably, I don't have the wider 212 here anymore so I cannot do another comparison video with the mic's low frequency roll-off disabled. My spoken comments and written comments are valid, but what you are hearing in the video is not an accurate representation of how they sound. I've sold a whole bunch of these 212s and everybody who has gotten one has raved about it. I'm sure you won't be disappointed by the sound, and you'll be completely in love with the weight.
@@JohnFoxBass Thanks for the FAST reply! I'm currently playing thru a GK MB212 and am thinking of going to one of the powered GR cabs (4x10 or 2x12...or even a 2x10 powered cab with the 1x15 non-powered cab) as I get my tone via my Audere Pro-Z on-bass pre-amp (killer...), my Darkglass clone pedal pre-amp, and another OD box. I seem to never touch my GK tone controls very much anymore. Any thoughts on going sans traditional amp and using one of the three cabs solutions mentioned above? I think any of them will be plenty loud enough, but are any of them are more ideal than others? I'm leaning toward the 4x10, but I also saw your comment re the 2x10/1x15 combination (this would be the powered 2x10 cab...I assume it could power the 1x15 also, correct?) which you said was the best you ever heard. Thanks again -- and your videos are great as they are simply the facts without trying to be salesy.
@@lynnfallon8870 If you can plug the output of your pedalboard into the Effects Loop Return on your amp (bypassing its EQ section), and you like the result, then you are right, you don't need a full integrated preamp/amp at all, you just need an amplifier, and therefore a powered cabinet would be just fine. In my shop, I use a 210 over a 115. It's my secret weapon, because it helps sell basses - every bass sounds AMAZING through that stack! A powered 210 and a 115 also has another great advantage - for rehearsals and small shows, you can just take the 210 and carry it with one or two fingers. For bigger shows or any time you need to be huge, you can stick the 115 under it. So it's modular, and each piece is easy to carry and fit anywhere in your vehicle. The 410 has the advantage that you only need to carry one box instead of two. It's still light enough to be an easy one handed carry, and it's plenty loud for sure. But even though it's very light weight, it's not exactly small, so you need to make sure your vehicle can handle it comfortably. The only downside to the 210/115 is the cost. Aside from that, its advantages are significant. Also, having the tens up higher, you hear yourself a little better, in case that's an issue.
The low end of the AT 212 sounds a touch deeper to me but not quite as coherent as the AT 212Slim. The slightly tighter low end of the AT 212Slim almost gives it a sealed cab vibe.
Yes, I don't have an explanation for what you are observing, but I concur with your observation. When the weather is warmer, I want to do an outdoor test to see if the results are any different in an infinitely large space.
Thanks just what was needed, comparing those two models. They do sound really close with my headphones but trust your in person view on them.
hi john am using headphones i dont know if its the way its eq,d but both sound a bit thin what do they sound like with the bass turned up, i basically play everything form 60,s to usual rock covers, and i am looking for the lightest 2x12 cab i can find but it has to have some proper bottom end. your thoughts and thanks
@@metalicman1948 Very good observation! This was the very first video I made when I got the Shure shotgun mic. I was so excited to get that mic, I bought it specifically so I could make videos like this. I listened to the video after uploading it, and was very disappointed that it didn't sound anything like what the cabinets sounded like in the room. Several weeks later, I actually read the manual that came with the mic, and found out that it has a built-in feature where it rolls off the lows below 150 Hz to prevent the mic from picking up rumbles and vibrations from the room, traffic, etc. And by default, the low frequency roll-off is enabled. So unfortunately, this recording was made with the lows significantly rolled off! Once I found that out, I really should have just taken down this video because it is completely invalid as far as what you are actually hearing. Regrettably, I don't have the wider 212 here anymore so I cannot do another comparison video with the mic's low frequency roll-off disabled. My spoken comments and written comments are valid, but what you are hearing in the video is not an accurate representation of how they sound. I've sold a whole bunch of these 212s and everybody who has gotten one has raved about it. I'm sure you won't be disappointed by the sound, and you'll be completely in love with the weight.
John, for hard rock (yes, I do play a bit LOUD and love Bogert/Entwhistle/Geddy Lee) which cab would you suggest: the 2x12 Slim or the 4x10? Thanks!
They both sound great but the 410 gets way louder and will rip your eardrums while punching a hole in your chest if you want it to.
@@JohnFoxBass Thanks for the FAST reply! I'm currently playing thru a GK MB212 and am thinking of going to one of the powered GR cabs (4x10 or 2x12...or even a 2x10 powered cab with the 1x15 non-powered cab) as I get my tone via my Audere Pro-Z on-bass pre-amp (killer...), my Darkglass clone pedal pre-amp, and another OD box. I seem to never touch my GK tone controls very much anymore.
Any thoughts on going sans traditional amp and using one of the three cabs solutions mentioned above? I think any of them will be plenty loud enough, but are any of them are more ideal than others? I'm leaning toward the 4x10, but I also saw your comment re the 2x10/1x15 combination (this would be the powered 2x10 cab...I assume it could power the 1x15 also, correct?) which you said was the best you ever heard. Thanks again -- and your videos are great as they are simply the facts without trying to be salesy.
@@lynnfallon8870 If you can plug the output of your pedalboard into the Effects Loop Return on your amp (bypassing its EQ section), and you like the result, then you are right, you don't need a full integrated preamp/amp at all, you just need an amplifier, and therefore a powered cabinet would be just fine. In my shop, I use a 210 over a 115. It's my secret weapon, because it helps sell basses - every bass sounds AMAZING through that stack! A powered 210 and a 115 also has another great advantage - for rehearsals and small shows, you can just take the 210 and carry it with one or two fingers. For bigger shows or any time you need to be huge, you can stick the 115 under it. So it's modular, and each piece is easy to carry and fit anywhere in your vehicle. The 410 has the advantage that you only need to carry one box instead of two. It's still light enough to be an easy one handed carry, and it's plenty loud for sure. But even though it's very light weight, it's not exactly small, so you need to make sure your vehicle can handle it comfortably. The only downside to the 210/115 is the cost. Aside from that, its advantages are significant. Also, having the tens up higher, you hear yourself a little better, in case that's an issue.
@@JohnFoxBass I will give your send/rtn suggestion a try. Thanks again for the most excellent and FAST reply!!
The low end of the AT 212 sounds a touch deeper to me but not quite as coherent as the AT 212Slim. The slightly tighter low end of the AT 212Slim almost gives it a sealed cab vibe.
Yes, I don't have an explanation for what you are observing, but I concur with your observation. When the weather is warmer, I want to do an outdoor test to see if the results are any different in an infinitely large space.