Part Probing in Auto mode with ProgramGuide Sinumerik 840D & 828
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- Опубликовано: 24 июл 2024
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Setting up a milling machine utilizing a digital part probe has become a common practice in today’s job shops. However not many shops are taking advantage of these tools while the machine is producing parts. In process probing during running in auto mode is a great way adjust for setup inaccuracies as well as QC parts during production.
Video Timeline:
00:00:00 Intro
00:04:42 Overview
00:06:00 Basic measurement methods
00:06:22 Measuring in Jog
00:10:31 Probe creation
00:12:11 Probe calibration
00:19:16 Reference material
00:20:44 System requirements
00:22:10 Cycles & capabilities
00:25:24 Example 1 - setting the WCS - cycles 977 & 978
00:36:06 Example 2 - align edge - cycle998
00:44:32 Example 3 - measuring with cycle800 & cycle977
00:49:46 MEAS command
01:02:18 Result variables - OVR's
01:06:27 Display & save results
01:13:33 Kinematic measuring cycle996
01:15:58 Q & A
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Holy smokes, thank you so much for this video. Gives me a start to in-process inspection.
Glad it helped!
thanks bro im new to these controls
No problem 👍
Do you know if the 808D basic has measuring cycles like the 828 & 840? I’m thinking of getting a Tschorn 4.0 probe, but they are not sure if the 808 has these. Or is there a probe you can recommend for my new cnc mill arriving in a few weeks. Thanks 🙏
do you have an answer to this? im interested in the same thing
This is up to the builder of the machine. I would recommend Renishaw, Blum, or Marposs for spindle probes
I do understand that the feed rate for the probe has to be controlled. But when I call up the probe and run some manual measurements, then switch to a machining program I always have no control of my feed rate (knob, Dial) its either off or 100% on. Should I put a "M" code to turn that feature (probe) off ? Also are we limited to only 3 hits when adjusting a plane or can we add more? I have a DMU50 5 axis machine w/840D control
What Generation DMU 50 do you have? 2nd or 3rd
For your 3 point probe question to the best of my knowledge we are limited to only 3 points.
Hi, do you maybe know how to increase feed rate for touch probe during cycle measurment?
As measuring feedrate, all of the measuring cycles use the value saved in the general setting
data SD54611 after the calibration of the workpiece probe. A different measuring feedrate can
be assigned for each calibration field [n]. Hope that helps!
Can you pls say whether we can connect and use ' 1' part measuring probe and '2' tool measuring probes with Sinumerik 840D Sl NCU710.3?
yes you can. their are 2 dedicated inputs on the NCU for probes.
I think the sinutrain software does not detect the collision (collision of the 3D PROBE with the edge of the work piece) because when I change the part sizes but do not change the length and width numbers of the part within the cycle,After measurement it shows the same size with a slight difference.
This is interesting can you please email me your contact Information?
we can try to take look at what is going on
Dan.strubel@Siemens.com
Hello. How to make probe activate earlier during edge point measuring Xor Y (no protection zone function for this strategy) in order to protect against colision ?
is this in Jog mode or auto mode?
@@MrCNC in auto mode
is it possible to write with "meas" command and variable $p_uifr[1,y,tr] coordinate in tilt plane, for example A-45 C+0?
The meas command it just a trigger. you would have to capture the position from a system variable. Then up your work offset. support.industry.siemens.com/cs/ww/en/view/109760776
Does anyone know who is the machine parameter for touch probe spindle orientation during measurement? This should be determined somewhere. Our machine with Sinumerik 828D touches the workpieces with different sides. This way, the run out can not be avoided.
What software version is your 828D running?
I would suggest to adjust the touch probe mechanically as much as possible (if it is adjustable) to take out any runout.
@@MrCNC I don't know what exactly is the version, but the parameter must be the same on all versions... but anyway. Thank you very much for the response!
i run alot of fixture parts in a new machine i've been assigned to. i've never really worked in siemens before when it comes to 5 axis, just heidenhain. in heidenain you can take measurements in their jog mode. how can i do a similar measure in siemens 840? its just a quick and easy way to take a measure, no programming, just some probing in jog . thanks in advance
there is a drop down to measure only please email if you want to see this Dan.strubel@siemens.com
I have a 810D machine that had shopmill in it, after a bit of a mishap with the PCU i swapped it for a PCU50.3 that now connects and workst just fine.. but in hmi adv. i cannot find the TSM buttons and so on.. Do they need to be installed manually?? I have the measuring cycles in the CCU - but i cannot see the buttons for em in the HMI. I did before on the embedded controller, but not on the new win xp based one..
Any ideas?
Shop mill was an option for 810D that has the TSM page
you would have to call the hotline: (800)879-8079
@@MrCNC thanks, now got it to work after talking to the support.
Then back to stupid questions; how do you use these cycles in manual jog mode with non-integrated measuring tools? The menus for toolsetting and so on only shows up for integrated settings.
Is it the same menu? (again remembering the shopmill that had an explicit manual measuring button - which i dont seem to be able to find in the package for hmi adv).
Manual measuring is prob. more common on older machines - but still something i think alot of users out there would find useful.
you can use a edge finder or endmill in the manual jog screens
@@MrCNC Ah sadly not working just get some activation error.. Oh well might just be old i suppose. :)
Are all the M-functions saved somewhere on the machine? If so, where can you find them?
Tnh
No those are builder specific. Some builder have a list on the machien
Why are measurement cycles that can be used in jog mode not available in auto mode?
For example
[2 holes], [3holes], [4 holes], [2 circ. spigots], [3 circ. spigots], [4 circ. spigots], cycles, etc.
Siemens did not develop those cycle for auto
thank you
Hi, Thank you for this useful content. We recently bought DMG MORI and I am new to it. I know there is 2 holes spigots in Jog mode, but I would like to use this function in my programs. Do you know how to achieve this. Thank you in advance.
2 holes probing cycle is not possible in a program. You can do this by a custom cycle. Please email me the details Dan.strubel@Siemens.com
Hi
Why does the diameter of the probe ball increase with repeated measurements?
This is interesting can you please email me your contact Information?
we can try to take look at what is going on
Dan.strubel@Siemens.com
How do you write to fine shift in work offset ?
Any Answer to this?
Depends on the builder
Please email me the builder:
Dan.strubel@Siemens.com
1. After calling the probe for probing in auto mode, the rapid traverse to the point to be measured is too slow.
2. The rapid traverse to the tool change point is too slow when calling the next tool after probing is complete.
3. Probe feed rate is too slow, reducing productivity.
4. The equipment is a DMG DMU65 monoBLOCK.
5. I would like to know the parameter controlling the rapid traverse speed.
You should confirm with DMG MORI. to the best of my knowledge:
I would look at these and the range from SD55628-SD55640
Chanel SD55632 $SCS_MEA_FEED_RAPID_IN_PERCENT
Chanel SD55634 $SCS_MEA_FEED_plane_VALUE
Chanel SD55636 $SCS_MEA_FEED_FEEDAX_VALUE
if you change any of these I would calibrate the probe
do you have pdf please
Can you send me your email address Dan.strubel@siemens.com
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столкнулись с проблемой, приобрели станки на siemens 840d, до них работали в heidenhain. непривычно то, что в Jog (ручном) режиме меришь заготовку, и запуская цикл заново в туже точку на разной подаче, получаешь разные значения. При этом это не 0,01 мм, не 0,1 мм, а миллиметры.
На heidenhain такого нет, ну подача самого измерения там никак не влияет на показания измерения... Тут вообще ступор, мы с таким еще не сталкивались...
I am not sure what your questions is can you ask it again?
probing on different feedrate gives a different values... thats why probing on our machines on 100% feedrate...
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