I’m EO and am enjoying this series. A lot to learn. It’s hard to wade through the “chauvinism,” as he calls it. In the end, much damage has been done by this attitude - superiority on the side of Romans, belligerence on the side of Greeks (to use shorthand). The never-ending “lists” and the damage wrought by 1204 did great harm. Finally, filioque and papal power/ecclesiology remain outside all other factors. After 1k+ years, the communions lack a common ethos.
Derek, your introduction music might be a bit too funky for the content. What about a Byzantine chant which turns into a RC chant or a Novus Ordo mass?
When was the Filioque forced on the Ruthenians? I suppose it was a bit later than the actual union. What about the Italo-Byzantines? Did they have to insert the Filioque into the Creed in Greek? Apparently when there is bilingual mass at Rome (Latin-Greek), there is no Filioque or at least that is what a Ukrainian priest who was in Rome told me. I wonder if this is a new thing. He said that it was not. It was the Roman Mass, but the creed was doubled and possibly the Our Father or an Eastern anthem was added at the end.
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I’m EO and am enjoying this series. A lot to learn. It’s hard to wade through the “chauvinism,” as he calls it. In the end, much damage has been done by this attitude - superiority on the side of Romans, belligerence on the side of Greeks (to use shorthand). The never-ending “lists” and the damage wrought by 1204 did great harm. Finally, filioque and papal power/ecclesiology remain outside all other factors. After 1k+ years, the communions lack a common ethos.
It's normal though. Everyone thinks their tradition is superior, etc. What's not normal is hating your own tradition as if it were the worst.
EO? What is that?
Derek, your introduction music might be a bit too funky for the content. What about a Byzantine chant which turns into a RC chant or a Novus Ordo mass?
When was the Filioque forced on the Ruthenians? I suppose it was a bit later than the actual union. What about the Italo-Byzantines? Did they have to insert the Filioque into the Creed in Greek? Apparently when there is bilingual mass at Rome (Latin-Greek), there is no Filioque or at least that is what a Ukrainian priest who was in Rome told me. I wonder if this is a new thing. He said that it was not. It was the Roman Mass, but the creed was doubled and possibly the Our Father or an Eastern anthem was added at the end.