Another important detail that lead to Bavaria joining Germany was the fact that because of their king’s vanity projects, including the famous castle Neuschwanstein, Bavaria was deeply in debt and on the verge of bankruptcy. Thus, by joining Germany their debts towards Prussia were forgiven and the rest were paid off by the German government.
Na , the castle did not bankrupt the kingdom , but the Private wealth of the Royal Family. The castles were not THAT expensive. They were expensive but they really Look more expensive than they really are.
Well, Wiki's article on Ludwig says he used his *personal* fortune to build his various castles, not the national treasury. He borrowed a lot of money from various sources from around Europe and it's far more likely that all the "Ludwig bankrupted Bavaria" stories originated by the people who deposed him as an excuse (not unlike the false legend of Marie Antoinette's saying "Let them eat cake"; the story had been around for nearly a century before Marie came on the scene but, as she was a "foreign" royal--the original aphorism told a tale of a "foreign princess"--the aphorism was used by Marie's many enemies, including members of the court, lesser nobility and the Church, to lessen her in the eyes of the public).
@@josephwest124Ludwig‘s insisting that it’s the state’s responsibility to replenish his depleted private purse lead to a rift between him and the government. Ludwig admired Louis XIV of France and never came to terms with the fact he was not an absolute monarch. His contemporaries considered him a burden and a terribly bad ruler who didn’t care about the wellbeing of either country or subjects. Everybody was just glad he was gone eventually. It was only later that the romantic myths around him gained popularity.
tldr: 1) Incompetent Bavarian leadership and especially the king. 2) France's imperialism increased German nationalism and Prussia manupulated it to it's advantage, especially in the Franco-Prussian war.
@@user-sh3cf7kd6e They did but it failed. Austro-Catholic hegemony was in opposition to Austro-Hungarian politics. Besides the Bavarian and Austrian rulers had disagreements and territorial disputes despite their religious unity.
@@user-sh3cf7kd6e Oh yes, there was a push towards South German Catholic identity, but in 1866 Prussia defeated Austria and its allies (including Bavaria) and kicked Austria out of Germany. Prussia did not tolerate a competitor on who would be the dominant power in Germany. Only 5 years later, the traitor Bavarian king accepted bribe money from the Prussians and handed over sovereignty of a country he didn’t care about anyway.
@@LookBackHistory The only question I had about the subject is why did Austria completely give up on South Germany like that and didn't even support them.
@user-sh3cf7kd6e the main reason is it would likely spark another war between them and prussia one in with prussia had even better chances of victory so doing it on their own was a bad idea and when their last opertunity for them to do it emerged by joining the franco prussian war the Hungarians threated to make life difficult for the empire so they couldn't do anything
Why didn’t you mention, that king Ludwig received about 6 million Goldmark from Bismarck for his consent to join the newly founded German Empire and for the so called "Kaiserbrief“.
Thank you! It seems that every textbook or video regarding the German unification always explain thing from the Prussian perspective. It was good to see how the Bavarians saw this.
@OlssonDaniel definitely disagree with your comment . It's not exactly a secret why Bavaria joined the German Empire , so there was never a solely prussian perspective on the matter ... btw. The prussians were not keen on having the bavarians , as they are Catholic, but Bismarck saw the larger goal and at the end of the day formed the Empire what defacto meant German unity
Sorry for being unclear. You are right that it is not a secret why Bavaria joined. My issue was that in most of the books and videos (that I read/saw), we take the perspective of Prussia. And where they do mention the other German countries (like Bavaria), they are certainly not the focus. @@markthompson8733
It would have been nice had Bavaria separated from the German Reich after WW2. I believe Churchill wanted to create the Daubian Federation once they defeated Hitler and give some semblance of the former Austro-Hungarian empire to be restored, but Russia didn't like the idea.
Well , with a divided germany how would have that worked out. A unified germany was widely seen as too powerfull it was called the "german problem " @@Dragon555-c3x
Bavarians had a point.. being German was being Prussian. I remember my Belgian great grandmother when she spoke about WWI. She never called the Germans 'Germans'. She always called them Prussians. Even well into the 1980's. This ment that as a child, she was used to calling them Prussians instead of Germans, which implies that other people in the 1880's and 1890's - like her parents - must have done this aswell.
@@Adson_von_Melkexcept they did. The swabian, the bavarians and the other state lost most of their cultural differences and dialects. That's like saying savoy is still arpitanian. The minority doesn't make a nation.
Bavarians still (sometimes) call Northern Germans "Prussians", sometimes jokingly, sometimes in full earnest adding a little derogatory prefix (🐖). And calling a Bavarian a "Prussian" may end just as well for you as calling a Southerner in the US a "yankee"...
Preußen entwickelte sich zur Vormacht und Österreich (Bayerns großes Baby) wurde nach Südosten abgedrängt. Preußen hätte Bayerns Anschluss an Österreich gar nicht zugelassen.
*Language not dialect. Bavarian is a separate language with its own many dialects. My father’s side speaks the central Bavarian dialect of the Bavarian language. Bavarian is more different to standard German than Czech and Slovak are to eachother.
Maybe north and south german confederations could have been able to truely unify deutschland. Because a deutschland without all the german speaking states, isn't a unified deutschland.
I don’t think Austrias were interested in letting Hungary and other Balkan/Eastern European nations go. For in order to have a German confederation you’ll need to only have a German speaking population. Prussians feared that these non speaking German people would mix with the local Germans and kinda disrupt the whole idea of a german confederation. Let’s not also forget the ethnic and cultural conflicts that would emerge from such alliance
@@Miha_t I was thinking more along the lines of; bavaria, parts of switserland, and austria for a southern federation. But i find your explanation helpfull regardless.
The German Empire wasn't a truly unified Germany either. There was no magic force stopping them from calling their country Germany and making a new flag they could have done this at any time they liked. Germany today is much smaller for example. The reason the Catholic states mattered is without them "Germany" would just mean Protestant Germany.
My gut tells me, the new Germany wouldn't be as successful. Part of the reason Bismarck pushed for a Germany without Austria is he didn't want to have the Habsburgs have influence in Germany, fearing a power struggle between Prussia and Austria. This would've been made worse if Austria was strengthened in a south German federation with Bavaria and the other southern states. There would've been a power struggle between north and south. I'm basing this off of the fact that Austria-Hungary suffered from a similar power struggle between Austria and Hungary.
I was born in Darmstadt. Hesse Darmstadt was forced to join Germany too in 1871. The Royal family was really important for a small state. The Tsar Nicolas II wife Alexandra was from Hesse Darmstadt and her grandmother was Queen Victoria.
The problem with modern "historians" is that only the rulers of those microstates who oppose the unification. The ordinary german citizens WANTED the unification. This is the fundamental issue why German unification was delayed. The masses wanted united Germany, but their rulers oppose it as they have to give up their power and priveliges to whoever rules unites Germany, weather its under an emperor as it happened or the parliament like those in Frankfurt
@@ryanjuguilon213 Finally someone who says that, its always said like prussia forced everyone under their rule ignoring that really mainly only the ruling class wanted to keep their powers.
My father used to say that there would never have been WWI if Bavaria, rather than Prussia, had become the dominant German state, I guess they would rather drink beer and enjoy life than fight futile wars.
An interesting and unmentioned side note, the Prussian dynasty, Hohenzollern, originated in a principality of Swabia [Baden-Württemberg area]. There are several turning points that could have resulted in a far different history. For example, what might have happened if the Hohenzollerns became rulers of Swabia or Bavaria instead of Prussia?
There´s still another, catholic Swabian line of the dynasty, Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen. They became Kings of Romania from 1866 until 1947. Hohenzollern Castle nearby Hechingen in Swabia is still owned by the Hohenzollern Family.
@@NicolaW72 I went by there, but for all of the European and German history studied in the US, I hadn't known about it until I found myself staring at the Hohenzollern Castle sign. It was on one of my first trips to Germany in 1974-76 period. I was surprised and had a train to catch and didn't have time to look into it. Of course My great grandfather left Prussia, hated the place, and Germany, never spoke about it and never spoke a word of German. I'm the first member of the family that I know of who learned German and studied German history. Mein Urgroßvater stammte aus Ostpreußen, daher verstehe ich, dass seine Abneigung reale Ursachen hatte. I do not dislike Germany or Germans in general. My German, never great, is now mostly forgotten.
@@NicolaW72 Thanks for the compliment, but as a language teacher myself I know my capacity. Apparently my pronunciation was better than average for a foreigner, but except for simple sentences and common words my German was very basic, and it is almost completely gone now.
Great Video! What i'm wondering is where did you get that impressive picture at 6:58 from? And is it an oil painting or a colorised/ edited photograph? I'm totally stunned by the details
Shallow analysis. Austria stepped out of the Holy Roman Empire in 1806. Austria lost part of its territory as a consequence of the war against Prussia in 1866, have you forgotten Venezia? Etc.
The pre-WWI German Empire’s borders were so much bigger than today’s Vaterland. The 1st verse of the German National Anthem isn’t sung much these days as the first verse contains 4 locations that were in the 1871 boundaries but are in someone eles’s borders today.
4:58 'the defeated Austrian Empire was left intact in exchange for Prussian free reign elsewhere.' the framing of this sentence is wrong 🤚- maybe because of some misunderstanding! the whole point of the 'German war' of 1866 was to decide whether an imminent unified German state was led by Austria or Prussia. _if_ Austria remained part of a German confederation (or however the new entity was organised politically) it would continue to have only loose internal bonds and Austria would spent considerable attention to its non-German speaking realms. Austria was unwilling to let go of these holdings. Prussia wanted to unite Germany in a much closer union, a federation of German states. this was impossible with Austria as a member unless they agreed to let go of every non-German speaking country. the war decided this question and Prussia kicked Austria out of the project to unite Germany. it was never the intention to annex any land from Austria so the framing in this video is all wrong.
I don't think German unity can be considered Prussian imperialism considering Prussia's prominence began to decline after unification in favor of a more homogenized German culture with regional sub-cultures. Even if the German Empire would have survived, the overall German culture wouldn't be much different than it is today other than national pride not being a taboo.
I disagree in the sense that Prussia still held extreme important, the capital was in there traditional territory, the ruling dynasty was Prussian and Catholicism lost prominence in the southern states leading to a more secularized political culture.
At that point they might as well unite with England and Scandinavia too. That’s just a Germanic empire. The Netherlands, Flanders and Luxembourg speak Weser-Rhine Germanic languages unlike German and Bavarian which are Elbe Germanic. English, Frisian and Low German are North Sea Germanic languages and just as close to German as Dutch or Luxembourgish.
Union with Prussia and the other German states is better than ally or union with Austria. Austria was more concerned about other nations than German issues. I know plenty of Bavarians who are happy to be a part of the remaining unified german state.
Not only that but Austria was filled to the brim with ethnic divisions and competing nationalist movements from all those groups, whereas the Confederation was composed of people with more in common with each other.
Bavarian leaders were initially hesitant. But: 1. Rising German nationalism amongst civilians, 2. pressure from Berlin, 3. economic & military dominance of Berlin, 4. common enemy to their south - Napoleon.
Thanks for the video. I would like to object against the statement at the beginning that the Kingdom of Bavaria was never conquered. It is technically correct. However, the electorate of Bavaria with the Wittelsbacher as rulers were fighting against the Habsburger (Austria) and lost a lot of territory. Later Bavaria supported France (Confederation of the Rhine), had to give up territory to France, but were compensated by France with territory from Austria and thus the Kingdom of Bavaria was created. in 1806. Then in 1813 Bavaria lost nearly all its army when France was fighting and losing in Russia. So in 1813 Bavaria left the Confederation of the Rhine and agreed to join the Sixth Coalition against Napoleon in exchange for a guarantee of her continued sovereign and independent status.
My intended meaning there was that Bavaria was never conquered... by Prussia. I.e. it wasn't forced, per se, into the NGC and then German Empire (like Saxony) or incorporated outright into Prussia (like Hannover), but yes you're right to point out that other armies have definitely taken Bavarian territory.
@LookBackHistory Thanks for the clarification. As a German (who feels neither Prussian nor Bavarian) I am perhaps too easily swayed to comment on content that could be interpreted as Bavarian bragging. So my comment is just a symptom of bickering between the different regions which is quite common in Germany.
@@LookBackHistory Thanks for the clarification. As a German (who feels neither Prussian nor Bavarian) I am perhaps too easily swayed to comment on content that could be interpreted as Bavarian bragging. So my comment is just a symptom of mocking between the different regions which is quite common in Germany.
this does not even deserve an imperial decree BECAUSE THIS IS DEAD SERIOUS the inside and outside tour I did a few months of my castle, everyone in bavaria... THE KAISER AND MY REICHSTAG ARE ANGRY AT THERE IT BLAMING AT ME I ADMIT IT ITS MY FAULT I WANT EVERYTHING ABOUT MY CASTLE OFF THE NEWPAPERD I'LL SEND IN THE POLICE I'LL SEND IN THE ARMY I'LL SEND EVERYTHING WITHIN MY POWER JUST GET IT OFF OF THERE
There is still a small bavarian independence movement this political party gets arround 1% of votes in bavarian elections so basically arround 1 of 100 bavarian citizen wants to be independent from germany
@@Lingist081 yea exactly. More entwined with Austria than certain parts of Germany even. Hell, Austria's name Österreich means "east realm"- the east realm of Bavaria.
Has some one has a Hessen-Bavarian German back ground and home city being conquered by Prussia I believe in 1866 under the north German confederation. This video explains a lot and with some one whom has a heavy German back ground along with other Native American and other European roots I thank you for this video for I always wondered why did Bravia agree to join the Deutsches Kaiser Reich?
I always thought that their ruling dynasty was bitter being denied the rule of Austria after Maria Theresa ascended the throne. I think Austria would have stood a better chance of maintaining and even strengthening their empire if they had been tied to Bavaria.
Bavaria did not agree. Bavaria was forced to do so. The prussian army defeated the bavarian army. The prussians occupied Bavaria. And forced the bavarians under the law of the strong.
The name Bavaria also gives away its Past History, Bavaria is a Celtic name, many names still have part Celtic in them in the Towns Cities and Villages, they are NOT Saxons. it is a fact that Richard the Lionheart gave away the Gold Crown of the Cymru, to the King of Bavaria, even Hitler used the Crown as a symbol of the past Celtic Aryan peoples.
1:45 I see a lot of the time people say the North German Confederation under Chancellor Otto Von Bismarck started the Franco-Prussian war of 1870-1871, or at a minimum indirectly caused the war by manufacturing the prerequisite conditions for it to occur in the first place, or even, that Otto von Bismarck at an absolute minimum desired a war with France to coerce the southern German states, which were namely, Königreich Bayern, Königreich Württemberg, Großherzogtum Baden and Großherzogtum Hessen und Bei Rhein. This was not the case. Though it is public knowledge that this was the case but ONLY after it became a possibility that war with France COULD occur. To simplify what happened, prior to the Brüderkrieg, there was an agreement between Prussia and France that Prussia would remain neutral should they attempt to expand their own sphere of influence into the Benelux, but keep in mind that this agreement was made before Prussia was accepted as leader of Germany, and before the formation of the North German Confederation. Some time after the formation of the Nord Deutscher Bund, the French attempted to purchase Luxembourg from the Netherlands, (The Dutch were in a personal Union with Luxembourg at the time). Since the Prussians were in a far, far better negotiating position, they demanded the French back down, citing their obligations to protect their fellow Germans. This was the start of hostile relations between France and Prussia. After some time, the Spanish had a revolution in 1868, and they decided on a new monarch. Prince Leopold of Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen was initially offered the crown of Spain, with fears of French expansion into Spain ever-present, following the devastation of Spain following the napoleonic wars the Spain were keen on avoiding a French invasion, or incursion into their sovereignty or independence. With Prussia and France being rivals this would mean Spain would be in Prussia’s sphere, that’s not to say Spain becomes a protectorate of Prussia, but they won’t enter an alliance with an enemy of Prussia. Securing an ally on the peninsula for the foreseeable future. In the end, France demanded Leopold rescind his application to the Spanish throne, Leopold accepted, so did the Kaiser. It was a reasonable request after all, and many feared Prussia after the brothers war as the balance of power in Germany was well in Prussia’s favour, and that also with the balance of power in Europe as a whole. If Prussia pressed their Spanish claim without compromise, intervention was a certainty. Then, came the ems dispatch. It was a telegram the French sent to the Prussians citing further demands concerning Spain. They refused, France declared war on the north German confederation. That’s how it went down.
Aren't languages and dialects mutually exclusive? If they are separate languages and not variants of a single language, they are not dialects by definition.
We Germans asks ourselves that question ever since😂😂😂😂😂😂
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One of those special concessions made to Bavaria was outlawing interesting beers in all of Germany, not just Bavaria. That's the reason the Bavarian Beer Purity law (Reinheitsgebot) essentially the German Reinheitsgebot. Contrast our lovely North German beer 'Gose' brewed with salt and coriander: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gose
Why Did Bavaria Agree to Join the German Empire Long story short Bavaria/Ludwig was exremely high in debt due to the building of Neuschwanstein and as consequence Bavaria was on the brink to declare state-bancruptcy ..So Bismarck bailed out Ludwig and in return Ludwig signed the documents for joining Prussia´s Germany entirely
@@geheimeWeltregierung It is . At the time of his death Ludwig had a total debt of 14.500 000 Goldmark. So how did he pay for the castle? Bismarck paid Ludwig over 6.000 000 Goldmark in regulary tranches of 300 000 Goldmark during the time of 1870 were he signed the unification contract till to his death = that was basically the money for the castle. The cost for the castle were 6.180 074 Goldmark from building start 1869 till Ludwig´s death. 1+1 = still 2
@@geheimeWeltregierung LMOF about your nonsense "State was not involved" "The State" was "the King" because the Bavarian Kingdom was no democracy but a constitutional monarchy with a strong role of the Monarch = the whole goverment + also half of parlament was not announced by people´s vote but solely by the Monarch. And "the King" was no "private Person" so his debts were the Kingdom´s debts - unless - he is not King anymore = that´s why the goverment declared in early June 1886 Ludwig for mental insane in order to get rid of him as King and as consequence to get rid of the burdon of bailing out his debts....which was a - constitutional legal process - lasting for a year till June 1887 in order to achieve that but Ludwig already died beforehand "mysteriously" just 2 weeks after the goverment declared him as mental insane. Learn History in particular the subject "Königskrise 1885/86" which is the crisis about the Bavarian Kingdom finances being almost in bancruptsy due to Ludwig´s debts
@@michaelgrabner8977 Der Umgang König Ludwig II. mit seinen Finanzen gilt bis heute geradezu als Synonym der Verschwendungssucht. Die Ansicht aber, er habe seinen aufwendigen Lebensstil aus dem Staatshaushalt finanziert, ist ein Irrtum. Ludwig bezahlte alle seine Ausgaben aus Privatmitteln, genauer aus den Einkünften, die ihm die Verfassung als königliche Einkünfte zugewiesen hatte.
@@michaelgrabner8977 Der Umgang König Ludwig II. mit seinen Finanzen gilt bis heute geradezu als Synonym der Verschwendungssucht. Die Ansicht aber, er habe seinen aufwendigen Lebensstil aus dem Staatshaushalt finanziert, ist ein Irrtum. Ludwig bezahlte alle seine Ausgaben aus Privatmitteln, genauer aus den Einkünften, die ihm die Verfassung als königliche Einkünfte zugewiesen hatte.
Prussia is simply too awesome to defy. The mustaches, the marches, the military might and revolutionary thinkers. Before our illiterate and primitive ancestors agreed to join, Bavaria was a backwater. A very beautiful backwater but still a backwater. Within a greater German state Bavaria is still very beautiful but now we are ab economic powerhouse. So, never defy Bismarck, especially not on superstitious grounds like "religion". Before we were nothing, afterwards we truly became German.
Ultra-nationalism, suppressive imperialistic dictatorship and support for proto-N*zi movements... Yeah, very awesome... Moses Hess predicted EXACTLY what good came out of your "Germany".
If you visit Germany, Bavaria feels very different. More Austrian. Kind of a mix of the two. Could it separate and become its own country? Never say never. Spain could still split apart. North and south Italy aren’t exactly aligned. That’s what Europe is. A constant flux of people who don’t want to be ruled by anyone else. Hence the EU is doomed to fail just like the Holy Roman Empire.
Yeah, the EU will probably collapse eventually due to nationalism, they should have learned from Austria, from the HRE, that multi national empires only work when times are good. Whenever things start to get worse, nationalism is inevitable. Look at Eastern Europe if you need the most recent example
Another important detail that lead to Bavaria joining Germany was the fact that because of their king’s vanity projects, including the famous castle Neuschwanstein, Bavaria was deeply in debt and on the verge of bankruptcy. Thus, by joining Germany their debts towards Prussia were forgiven and the rest were paid off by the German government.
Na , the castle did not bankrupt the kingdom , but the Private wealth of the Royal Family.
The castles were not THAT expensive.
They were expensive but they really Look more expensive than they really are.
certified monarch moment
Well, Wiki's article on Ludwig says he used his *personal* fortune to build his various castles, not the national treasury. He borrowed a lot of money from various sources from around Europe and it's far more likely that all the "Ludwig bankrupted Bavaria" stories originated by the people who deposed him as an excuse (not unlike the false legend of Marie Antoinette's saying "Let them eat cake"; the story had been around for nearly a century before Marie came on the scene but, as she was a "foreign" royal--the original aphorism told a tale of a "foreign princess"--the aphorism was used by Marie's many enemies, including members of the court, lesser nobility and the Church, to lessen her in the eyes of the public).
@@josephwest124Ludwig‘s insisting that it’s the state’s responsibility to replenish his depleted private purse lead to a rift between him and the government. Ludwig admired Louis XIV of France and never came to terms with the fact he was not an absolute monarch. His contemporaries considered him a burden and a terribly bad ruler who didn’t care about the wellbeing of either country or subjects. Everybody was just glad he was gone eventually. It was only later that the romantic myths around him gained popularity.
The King was in depth not the Kingdom of Bavaria.
Also Bavaria has existed since 555AD, older than prussiaandaustria
Austria, or more literally osterreich means eastern land, east of what? Bavaria, Austria was literally broken off from Bavaria
And our people have inhabited the land that is now bavaria since about 700 bc
Never heard of Prussiaandaustria, i will research about it, sounds interesting
@@Dragon555-c3x I know about these, but not Prussiaandaustria, but they do sound quite similar
@henryszytko9142 he literally just forgot to add spaces
tldr: 1) Incompetent Bavarian leadership and especially the king.
2) France's imperialism increased German nationalism and Prussia manupulated it to it's advantage, especially in the Franco-Prussian war.
1) Bullshit
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1) They didn't even try to solidify south German or even Bavarian identity to oppose German ultra-nationalism.
@@user-sh3cf7kd6e German ultra-nationalism? Bullshit!
@@user-sh3cf7kd6e They did but it failed. Austro-Catholic hegemony was in opposition to Austro-Hungarian politics. Besides the Bavarian and Austrian rulers had disagreements and territorial disputes despite their religious unity.
@@user-sh3cf7kd6e Oh yes, there was a push towards South German Catholic identity, but in 1866 Prussia defeated Austria and its allies (including Bavaria) and kicked Austria out of Germany. Prussia did not tolerate a competitor on who would be the dominant power in Germany. Only 5 years later, the traitor Bavarian king accepted bribe money from the Prussians and handed over sovereignty of a country he didn’t care about anyway.
I love how this channel asks questions I didn’t even knew I had
That's the plan!
just like history matters
@@LookBackHistory
The only question I had about the subject is why did Austria completely give up on South Germany like that and didn't even support them.
@user-sh3cf7kd6e the main reason is it would likely spark another war between them and prussia one in with prussia had even better chances of victory so doing it on their own was a bad idea and when their last opertunity for them to do it emerged by joining the franco prussian war the Hungarians threated to make life difficult for the empire so they couldn't do anything
@@user-sh3cf7kd6e Because Emperor Franz-Joseph I. called himself as a German Prince.
Why didn’t you mention, that king Ludwig received about 6 million Goldmark from Bismarck for his consent to join the newly founded German Empire and for the so called "Kaiserbrief“.
Thank you!
It seems that every textbook or video regarding the German unification always explain thing from the Prussian perspective. It was good to see how the Bavarians saw this.
You're very welcome!
@OlssonDaniel definitely disagree with your comment . It's not exactly a secret why Bavaria joined the German Empire , so there was never a solely prussian perspective on the matter ... btw. The prussians were not keen on having the bavarians , as they are Catholic, but Bismarck saw the larger goal and at the end of the day formed the Empire what defacto meant German unity
Sorry for being unclear.
You are right that it is not a secret why Bavaria joined. My issue was that in most of the books and videos (that I read/saw), we take the perspective of Prussia.
And where they do mention the other German countries (like Bavaria), they are certainly not the focus.
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@@markthompson8733 And he was right. This is (for many historical reasons) the richest part of the nation. In my opinion, also the nicest one.
In the Bavarian's defense, they have never stopped regretting this blunder.
It would have been nice had Bavaria separated from the German Reich after WW2. I believe Churchill wanted to create the Daubian Federation once they defeated Hitler and give some semblance of the former Austro-Hungarian empire to be restored, but Russia didn't like the idea.
@@Dragon555-c3x Bavarians is the only Germans left in germany today
@@Ασσουρμπανιμπαλ Sounds like you've never actually been here 🤣
Well , with a divided germany how would have that worked out.
A unified germany was widely seen as too powerfull it was called the "german problem "
@@Dragon555-c3x
Nazism began in baveria
When I'm in a Squidward voice competition and my opponent is the narrator of Look Back History: 😰😰😰😰😰😰
BRO WHY DID YOU POINT THAT OUT 😭😭😭😭
Whats his fancy cousins name or whatever
@@ChanceKearns Squilliam Fancyson, at your service!
Bavarians had a point.. being German was being Prussian. I remember my Belgian great grandmother when she spoke about WWI. She never called the Germans 'Germans'. She always called them Prussians. Even well into the 1980's. This ment that as a child, she was used to calling them Prussians instead of Germans, which implies that other people in the 1880's and 1890's - like her parents - must have done this aswell.
@@maud3444 that foreigners called all Germans "Prussians" doesn't mean a thing. Those who weren't Prussians never became them.
@@Adson_von_Melkexcept they did. The swabian, the bavarians and the other state lost most of their cultural differences and dialects. That's like saying savoy is still arpitanian. The minority doesn't make a nation.
Bavarians still (sometimes) call Northern Germans "Prussians", sometimes jokingly, sometimes in full earnest adding a little derogatory prefix (🐖).
And calling a Bavarian a "Prussian" may end just as well for you as calling a Southerner in the US a "yankee"...
@@Fourbix you don't know a thing about Germany, don't you?
@@Adson_von_Melk Unfortunately its kind of true. At least in Munich bavarian is basicly non existant.
Victoria 2 players: Because Bavaria got pulled into Prussia's sphere of influence...
That's effectively what happend in real life
Why didn’t Bavaria join Austria? Same religion and culture, very similar dialect.
Preußen entwickelte sich zur Vormacht und Österreich (Bayerns großes Baby) wurde nach Südosten abgedrängt. Preußen hätte Bayerns Anschluss an Österreich gar nicht zugelassen.
@@hansmeier3287 4 Jahre war Bayern aber nicht unter preußischer Herrschaft, also wäre das da möglich gewesen
I am from Austria and I don’t know that even today - Bavaria could have joined Austria again in 1949 and they still didn’t do it
*Language not dialect. Bavarian is a separate language with its own many dialects. My father’s side speaks the central Bavarian dialect of the Bavarian language. Bavarian is more different to standard German than Czech and Slovak are to eachother.
That sir, is a great freaking question
Maybe north and south german confederations could have been able to truely unify deutschland. Because a deutschland without all the german speaking states, isn't a unified deutschland.
I don’t think Austrias were interested in letting Hungary and other Balkan/Eastern European nations go. For in order to have a German confederation you’ll need to only have a German speaking population. Prussians feared that these non speaking German people would mix with the local Germans and kinda disrupt the whole idea of a german confederation. Let’s not also forget the ethnic and cultural conflicts that would emerge from such alliance
@@Miha_t I was thinking more along the lines of; bavaria, parts of switserland, and austria for a southern federation. But i find your explanation helpfull regardless.
Calm down
The German Empire wasn't a truly unified Germany either. There was no magic force stopping them from calling their country Germany and making a new flag they could have done this at any time they liked. Germany today is much smaller for example. The reason the Catholic states mattered is without them "Germany" would just mean Protestant Germany.
My gut tells me, the new Germany wouldn't be as successful. Part of the reason Bismarck pushed for a Germany without Austria is he didn't want to have the Habsburgs have influence in Germany, fearing a power struggle between Prussia and Austria. This would've been made worse if Austria was strengthened in a south German federation with Bavaria and the other southern states. There would've been a power struggle between north and south. I'm basing this off of the fact that Austria-Hungary suffered from a similar power struggle between Austria and Hungary.
I was born in Darmstadt. Hesse Darmstadt was forced to join Germany too in 1871. The Royal family was really important for a small state. The Tsar Nicolas II wife Alexandra was from Hesse Darmstadt and her grandmother was Queen Victoria.
The problem with modern "historians" is that only the rulers of those microstates who oppose the unification. The ordinary german citizens WANTED the unification. This is the fundamental issue why German unification was delayed. The masses wanted united Germany, but their rulers oppose it as they have to give up their power and priveliges to whoever rules unites Germany, weather its under an emperor as it happened or the parliament like those in Frankfurt
@@ryanjuguilon213 Finally someone who says that, its always said like prussia forced everyone under their rule ignoring that really mainly only the ruling class wanted to keep their powers.
Thank you very much for this History Lecture about Bavaria and Prussia and Germany!🙂👍
My father used to say that there would never have been WWI if Bavaria, rather than Prussia, had become the dominant German state, I guess they would rather drink beer and enjoy life than fight futile wars.
@@marksmale827 Ja , genau so.
@@marksmale827 that type of passiveness is the reason bavaria didnt become the Dominant german state
France would still have been France, Russia still Russia and Britain Britain. So nothing would have changed.
yeah german nationalism didnt start in munich xd
i mean evil mustache man
Thank you for this clip. As a german living in bavaria its nice to know where this weird rift stems from.
Great video!
You forgot the personal inducements to Ludwig of the ample Reptile Fund derived from the Prussian despoiling of the Kingdom of Hanover.
Prussia 🇾🇪
It is very tiring to study Europe history. Forever wars and border changes makes it a struggle to comprehend .
Political history
Don't forget the centuries of religious strife
Paradox games helped me depict the bordergore in my head more easily
@@Davidsavage8008 especially "German" history is interlinked with whole of European history.
@@jonathangarcia5674 right. Spain owes the 🌎 an apology for the inquisition.
An interesting and unmentioned side note, the Prussian dynasty, Hohenzollern, originated in a principality of Swabia [Baden-Württemberg area]. There are several turning points that could have resulted in a far different history. For example, what might have happened if the Hohenzollerns became rulers of Swabia or Bavaria instead of Prussia?
There´s still another, catholic Swabian line of the dynasty, Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen. They became Kings of Romania from 1866 until 1947. Hohenzollern Castle nearby Hechingen in Swabia is still owned by the Hohenzollern Family.
@@NicolaW72 I went by there, but for all of the European and German history studied in the US, I hadn't known about it until I found myself staring at the Hohenzollern Castle sign. It was on one of my first trips to Germany in 1974-76 period.
I was surprised and had a train to catch and didn't have time to look into it. Of course My great grandfather left Prussia, hated the place, and Germany, never spoke about it and never spoke a word of German. I'm the first member of the family that I know of who learned German and studied German history. Mein Urgroßvater stammte aus Ostpreußen, daher verstehe ich, dass seine Abneigung reale Ursachen hatte.
I do not dislike Germany or Germans in general. My German, never great, is now mostly forgotten.
@@JMM33RanMA Thank you very much for sharing this background! - Der deutsche Satz ist grammatisch und lexikalisch übrigens absolut korrekt!🙂
@@NicolaW72 Thanks for the compliment, but as a language teacher myself I know my capacity. Apparently my pronunciation was better than average for a foreigner, but except for simple sentences and common words my German was very basic, and it is almost completely gone now.
Great video, people often oversimplify this process
Great Video! What i'm wondering is where did you get that impressive picture at 6:58 from? And is it an oil painting or a colorised/ edited photograph? I'm totally stunned by the details
that's Anton von Werner : In the Troops' Quarters outside Paris (1894). It doesn't hurt to just screenshot the video and then google image search it.
Shallow analysis. Austria stepped out of the Holy Roman Empire in 1806. Austria lost part of its territory as a consequence of the war against Prussia in 1866, have you forgotten Venezia? Etc.
the guy couldn't give you any deeper analysis because he was about to shit himself judging from the sounds he made during the video
Great video
I must admit, this is the first time I've heard the Austro-Prussian war called "The German War".
The pre-WWI German Empire’s borders were so much bigger than today’s Vaterland. The 1st verse of the German National Anthem isn’t sung much these days as the first verse contains 4 locations that were in the 1871 boundaries but are in someone eles’s borders today.
Nice information but my mans 40s newscaster emphasis is kind of hard to listen to
Yeah. Doesn't seem natural at all.
4:58 'the defeated Austrian Empire was left intact in exchange for Prussian free reign elsewhere.' the framing of this sentence is wrong 🤚- maybe because of some misunderstanding!
the whole point of the 'German war' of 1866 was to decide whether an imminent unified German state was led by Austria or Prussia. _if_ Austria remained part of a German confederation (or however the new entity was organised politically) it would continue to have only loose internal bonds and Austria would spent considerable attention to its non-German speaking realms. Austria was unwilling to let go of these holdings.
Prussia wanted to unite Germany in a much closer union, a federation of German states. this was impossible with Austria as a member unless they agreed to let go of every non-German speaking country. the war decided this question and Prussia kicked Austria out of the project to unite Germany. it was never the intention to annex any land from Austria so the framing in this video is all wrong.
Nice infos but the narrator sounds as being during an incident of serious constipation.
Felt the same = 1,25 Speed
Exactly my thought.
Laxative
I don't think German unity can be considered Prussian imperialism considering Prussia's prominence began to decline after unification in favor of a more homogenized German culture with regional sub-cultures.
Even if the German Empire would have survived, the overall German culture wouldn't be much different than it is today other than national pride not being a taboo.
I disagree in the sense that Prussia still held extreme important, the capital was in there traditional territory, the ruling dynasty was Prussian and Catholicism lost prominence in the southern states leading to a more secularized political culture.
In Bavarian dialect the Standard High German is is still called Prussian an all its speakers are summarily called Prussians
@@eljanrimsa5843 never knew Luther was prussian
@@eljanrimsa5843its not so common to say prussian to the language itself but to germans outside of bavaria is definitely a thing 😂
Prussian lands are now mostly with poland, russia, Baltic states
Good we were never German in the first place when the Prussians invaded us
What is it for accent???
I lived in Bavaria for a year. The Bavarians that I met are largely still unhappy about it.....
Very interesting
Wish German Empire united all of them(Cislethiania, Switzerland, Luxemburg, Nethetlands, half of the Belgium, Liechtenstein). That would be great.
At that point they might as well unite with England and Scandinavia too. That’s just a Germanic empire. The Netherlands, Flanders and Luxembourg speak Weser-Rhine Germanic languages unlike German and Bavarian which are Elbe Germanic. English, Frisian and Low German are North Sea Germanic languages and just as close to German as Dutch or Luxembourgish.
Union with Prussia and the other German states is better than ally or union with Austria. Austria was more concerned about other nations than German issues. I know plenty of Bavarians who are happy to be a part of the remaining unified german state.
Not only that but Austria was filled to the brim with ethnic divisions and competing nationalist movements from all those groups, whereas the Confederation was composed of people with more in common with each other.
At least, Bayern Munich continues to remind the rest of the country, who dominates the Bundesliga.
Bavarian leaders were initially hesitant. But:
1. Rising German nationalism amongst civilians,
2. pressure from Berlin,
3. economic & military dominance of Berlin,
4. common enemy to their south - Napoleon.
Thanks for the video. I would like to object against the statement at the beginning that the Kingdom of Bavaria was never conquered. It is technically correct. However, the electorate of Bavaria with the Wittelsbacher as rulers were fighting against the Habsburger (Austria) and lost a lot of territory. Later Bavaria supported France (Confederation of the Rhine), had to give up territory to France, but were compensated by France with territory from Austria and thus the Kingdom of Bavaria was created. in 1806. Then in 1813 Bavaria lost nearly all its army when France was fighting and losing in Russia. So in 1813 Bavaria left the Confederation of the Rhine and agreed to join the Sixth Coalition against Napoleon in exchange for a guarantee of her continued sovereign and independent status.
My intended meaning there was that Bavaria was never conquered... by Prussia. I.e. it wasn't forced, per se, into the NGC and then German Empire (like Saxony) or incorporated outright into Prussia (like Hannover), but yes you're right to point out that other armies have definitely taken Bavarian territory.
@LookBackHistory Thanks for the clarification. As a German (who feels neither Prussian nor Bavarian) I am perhaps too easily swayed to comment on content that could be interpreted as Bavarian bragging. So my comment is just a symptom of bickering between the different regions which is quite common in Germany.
@@LookBackHistory Thanks for the clarification. As a German (who feels neither Prussian nor Bavarian) I am perhaps too easily swayed to comment on content that could be interpreted as Bavarian bragging. So my comment is just a symptom of mocking between the different regions which is quite common in Germany.
More important question: How can we get them to leave again?
they are to rich. they need them
every sentence sounds so painful ffs
Ludwig is pretty much just Chris Chan if he had money
this does not even deserve an imperial decree BECAUSE THIS IS DEAD SERIOUS the inside and outside tour I did a few months of my castle, everyone in bavaria... THE KAISER AND MY REICHSTAG ARE ANGRY AT THERE IT BLAMING AT ME I ADMIT IT ITS MY FAULT I WANT EVERYTHING ABOUT MY CASTLE OFF THE NEWPAPERD I'LL SEND IN THE POLICE I'LL SEND IN THE ARMY I'LL SEND EVERYTHING WITHIN MY POWER JUST GET IT OFF OF THERE
Di Ravello's second favourite nation.
The exaggerated voice is obnoxious over an excellent essay.
There is still a small bavarian independence movement this political party gets arround 1% of votes in bavarian elections so basically arround 1 of 100 bavarian citizen wants to be independent from germany
Will never happen
0:59 damn...this picture goes hard
the Austrian loss in the German war made Bavaria's end inevitabl
A Reason that is why the culture of north and south Germany are very different
Bavaria is unique enough to be its own realm
Absolutely true. I miss Munich and I always say it's a pity that it is Germany.
Yeah or at least have it unite with Austria. They both speak Bavarian and are of a very similar culture and history.
@@Lingist081 yea exactly. More entwined with Austria than certain parts of Germany even. Hell, Austria's name Österreich means "east realm"- the east realm of Bavaria.
They should have linked up with Austria.
Austria was actually founded by Bavaria as the margraviate of Austria as Part of Bavaria
Wow, the narrator sounds so nasal, dunno if I can endure that the whole video. Interesting subject though.
cause iron and blood
Has some one has a Hessen-Bavarian German back ground and home city being conquered by Prussia I believe in 1866 under the north German confederation.
This video explains a lot and with some one whom has a heavy German back ground along with other Native American and other European roots I thank you for this video for I always wondered why did Bravia agree to join the Deutsches Kaiser Reich?
Now try attach yourself to Stalingrad, surely there's 1/25th of you Russian? What a rich heritage you have, Brad from Ohio.
I always thought that their ruling dynasty was bitter being denied the rule of Austria after Maria Theresa ascended the throne.
I think Austria would have stood a better chance of maintaining and even strengthening their empire if they had been tied to Bavaria.
They made them an offer they couldn't refuse. Your signature or your brains will be on the paperwork 😮
Bavaria did not agree. Bavaria was forced to do so. The prussian army defeated the bavarian army. The prussians occupied Bavaria. And forced the bavarians under the law of the strong.
The name Bavaria also gives away its Past History, Bavaria is a Celtic name, many names still have part Celtic in them in the Towns Cities and Villages, they are NOT Saxons. it is a fact that Richard the Lionheart gave away the Gold Crown of the Cymru, to the King of Bavaria, even Hitler used the Crown as a symbol of the past Celtic Aryan peoples.
Very informative! But why does the narrator sound like he’s constipated?
Why loks Bavaria like Krakau?
The mustached Austrian never tried to conquer the world. He did attempt making Germany the hegemon of Europe.
Okay nazi
Spitting every "p" like you're Malfoy 😂
A human voice would be better
That is a human voice???
Constipated
1:45
I see a lot of the time people say the North German Confederation under Chancellor Otto Von Bismarck started the Franco-Prussian war of 1870-1871, or at a minimum indirectly caused the war by manufacturing the prerequisite conditions for it to occur in the first place, or even, that Otto von Bismarck at an absolute minimum desired a war with France to coerce the southern German states, which were namely, Königreich Bayern, Königreich Württemberg, Großherzogtum Baden and Großherzogtum Hessen und Bei Rhein. This was not the case. Though it is public knowledge that this was the case but ONLY after it became a possibility that war with France COULD occur.
To simplify what happened, prior to the Brüderkrieg, there was an agreement between Prussia and France that Prussia would remain neutral should they attempt to expand their own sphere of influence into the Benelux, but keep in mind that this agreement was made before Prussia was accepted as leader of Germany, and before the formation of the North German Confederation. Some time after the formation of the Nord Deutscher Bund, the French attempted to purchase Luxembourg from the Netherlands, (The Dutch were in a personal Union with Luxembourg at the time). Since the Prussians were in a far, far better negotiating position, they demanded the French back down, citing their obligations to protect their fellow Germans. This was the start of hostile relations between France and Prussia. After some time, the Spanish had a revolution in 1868, and they decided on a new monarch. Prince Leopold of Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen was initially offered the crown of Spain, with fears of French expansion into Spain ever-present, following the devastation of Spain following the napoleonic wars the Spain were keen on avoiding a French invasion, or incursion into their sovereignty or independence. With Prussia and France being rivals this would mean Spain would be in Prussia’s sphere, that’s not to say Spain becomes a protectorate of Prussia, but they won’t enter an alliance with an enemy of Prussia. Securing an ally on the peninsula for the foreseeable future. In the end, France demanded Leopold rescind his application to the Spanish throne, Leopold accepted, so did the Kaiser. It was a reasonable request after all, and many feared Prussia after the brothers war as the balance of power in Germany was well in Prussia’s favour, and that also with the balance of power in Europe as a whole. If Prussia pressed their Spanish claim without compromise, intervention was a certainty. Then, came the ems dispatch. It was a telegram the French sent to the Prussians citing further demands concerning Spain. They refused, France declared war on the north German confederation. That’s how it went down.
Bavaria did not join Germany. It has always been part of it. Nor was its population against the foundation of the Kaiserreich.
Because the King wanted to built castles. And Prussia had the money.
König machen so, Bismarck machen "hier Cash für Disneylandschloss tm"... Zack Anschluss.
Bavaria, Baden and Württemberg would have fitted better into the Austrian realm i.m.o..
German dialects dont border on being seperate languages, they are seperate west germanic languages.
Aren't languages and dialects mutually exclusive? If they are separate languages and not variants of a single language, they are not dialects by definition.
@@MrBulky992 Yes they are not dialects by definition, but for political reasons the governments dont want to recognise them as such.
@@MrBulky992 Yes they are not dialects by definition, but for poltical reasons the governments dont want to recognise them as seperate languages.
Given godlike powers I would give the beyrish part of Bavaria to Austria, then rename what remains with Germany as Upper Franconia.
Beyrish what should that be ?
Thanks god you don’t have these powers
But they needed Bavarian hops and delicious pretzels
We are one people.
Let the world rage over it.😊
We Germans asks ourselves that question ever since😂😂😂😂😂😂
One of those special concessions made to Bavaria was outlawing interesting beers in all of Germany, not just Bavaria.
That's the reason the Bavarian Beer Purity law (Reinheitsgebot) essentially the German Reinheitsgebot.
Contrast our lovely North German beer 'Gose' brewed with salt and coriander: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gose
Nobody knows.
Why does the narrator sounds as if he s taking a shit in th ww1 trenches after a gaz attack?
The other option was joining Austria...
Or being independent. I am sure it would be a kind of Switzerland.
Soooo thats an empire you say??? Laughing in Spanish, English, Russian and Portuguese
Too self-indulgent voice inflections.
You sound like you’re in pain when you talk
Bavaria is Austria!
Never
Why Did Bavaria Agree to Join the German Empire
Long story short
Bavaria/Ludwig was exremely high in debt due to the building of Neuschwanstein and as consequence Bavaria was on the brink to declare state-bancruptcy ..So Bismarck bailed out Ludwig and in return Ludwig signed the documents for joining Prussia´s Germany entirely
@@geheimeWeltregierung It is . At the time of his death Ludwig had a total debt of 14.500 000 Goldmark. So how did he pay for the castle?
Bismarck paid Ludwig over 6.000 000 Goldmark in regulary tranches of 300 000 Goldmark during the time of 1870 were he signed the unification contract till to his death = that was basically the money for the castle. The cost for the castle were 6.180 074 Goldmark from building start 1869 till Ludwig´s death.
1+1 = still 2
@@geheimeWeltregierung LMOF about your nonsense "State was not involved"
"The State" was "the King" because the Bavarian Kingdom was no democracy but a constitutional monarchy with a strong role of the Monarch = the whole goverment + also half of parlament was not announced by people´s vote but solely by the Monarch.
And "the King" was no "private Person" so his debts were the Kingdom´s debts - unless - he is not King anymore = that´s why the goverment declared in early June 1886 Ludwig for mental insane in order to get rid of him as King and as consequence to get rid of the burdon of bailing out his debts....which was a - constitutional legal process - lasting for a year till June 1887 in order to achieve that
but Ludwig already died beforehand "mysteriously" just 2 weeks after the goverment declared him as mental insane.
Learn History in particular the subject "Königskrise 1885/86" which is the crisis about the Bavarian Kingdom finances being almost in bancruptsy due to Ludwig´s debts
@@michaelgrabner8977 still wrong i wanted to cite sources but IT seems to get deleted
@@michaelgrabner8977 Der Umgang König Ludwig II. mit seinen Finanzen gilt bis heute geradezu als Synonym der Verschwendungssucht. Die Ansicht aber, er habe seinen aufwendigen Lebensstil aus dem Staatshaushalt finanziert, ist ein Irrtum. Ludwig bezahlte alle seine Ausgaben aus Privatmitteln, genauer aus den Einkünften, die ihm die Verfassung als königliche Einkünfte zugewiesen hatte.
@@michaelgrabner8977 Der Umgang König Ludwig II. mit seinen Finanzen gilt bis heute geradezu als Synonym der Verschwendungssucht. Die Ansicht aber, er habe seinen aufwendigen Lebensstil aus dem Staatshaushalt finanziert, ist ein Irrtum. Ludwig bezahlte alle seine Ausgaben aus Privatmitteln, genauer aus den Einkünften, die ihm die Verfassung als königliche Einkünfte zugewiesen hatte.
Prussia paid the bills, pretty simple
Because they are German
that flag is wrong
Why didn't you?
Uh, slopes?
The answer is bribes
Your Bavarian borders are off
They re fine
i think bavaia would have/be better off in a union with austria
We should have joined Austria.....
I would suggest Switzerland. I think they would take you sofort.
We ?
Prussia is simply too awesome to defy. The mustaches, the marches, the military might and revolutionary thinkers.
Before our illiterate and primitive ancestors agreed to join, Bavaria was a backwater. A very beautiful backwater but still a backwater.
Within a greater German state Bavaria is still very beautiful but now we are ab economic powerhouse.
So, never defy Bismarck, especially not on superstitious grounds like "religion". Before we were nothing, afterwards we truly became German.
Ultra-nationalism, suppressive imperialistic dictatorship and support for proto-N*zi movements... Yeah, very awesome... Moses Hess predicted EXACTLY what good came out of your "Germany".
...and from this mess we got the bavarians always wanting extra treatment
Bavaria should be independent
Bavaria uber alles!
Eine oberflächliche und geirrte, geschweige denn belanglose, Geschichte.
It's nice to be a Preiß, but it's higher to be a Bayer.
You sound like your forcing your speech you should relax a bit more
Once it’s out it will sound better
If you visit Germany, Bavaria feels very different. More Austrian. Kind of a mix of the two. Could it separate and become its own country? Never say never. Spain could still split apart. North and south Italy aren’t exactly aligned. That’s what Europe is. A constant flux of people who don’t want to be ruled by anyone else. Hence the EU is doomed to fail just like the Holy Roman Empire.
Yeah, the EU will probably collapse eventually due to nationalism, they should have learned from Austria, from the HRE, that multi national empires only work when times are good. Whenever things start to get worse, nationalism is inevitable. Look at Eastern Europe if you need the most recent example
We are ruled by the US.
Bavaria on its own has the 7th largest economy in the EU. Yes it could stand on its own. But it will never happen