Herbst Maneuver
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- Опубликовано: 28 мар 2024
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"hey, can you try this new manouver? We did the math and we're almost sure the pressure on the plane won't make it explode" 😂
Exactly how i would have imagined their conversation would be😂
Why would it explode and from what pressure?
Remember in the short (at the end) where the narrator said the turn is well beyound the aerodynamic limits of conventional aircraft at the time?@@Arnechk
@@Arnechk I think this comment is referring more to "force" than "pressure".
An airplane pulling 12+ G even for a second, could be at risk of the wings falling off.
Why? Modern combat-ready manned fighter jets have pre programmed G force limits. No matter the training the pilot has, forces over 9G tend to cause the pilot to lose consciousness after a few seconds; this means building the wings to withstand higher G forces would be a waste (adding strength adds weight, and adding weight reduces range, turn performance, climb performance, & acceleration), but there's probably some margin of safety.
@@Arnechk aerodynamic pressure, not the literal explotion from flammables and explosive materials, it was used as somekind of a metaphorical phrase. Its literal meaning is for the aircraft to be crushed by the overwhelming pressure of the air during its maneuver, in which the aircraft velocity and g force plays a big part as well.
I watched this aircraft at the 1995 Paris air show once and it was mighty impressive.
Almost balancing on its tail while moving sideways,
I had never seen anything like it and have not since.
Amazing aircraft.
Do you know what sort of aircraft this is?
@@My_Name_Is_Mud. Yes ?
It's the The Rockwell-Messerschmitt-Bölkow-Blohm X-31 is an experimental jet aircraft designed to test fighter thrust vectoring technology.
I got the information above from Wikipedia but I remember it well when it displayed at Paris.
More commonly known as the X-31
I would have LOVED to see that in person, however, I'm lucky enough to at least seen videos before. Unbelievably impressive and precise technology.
U should check su27 , with fuel and missiles
@@Novelpwnz I know the SU-27 as it displayed at Paris as well with a very well known display pilot from Russia.
What I do know is it was in static display until the crew went round it with a spanner to check it was all tight, then pulled it out of the static to a taxiway and did a full display,
Very impressive.
I have also seen three SU-27 types displaying (flying) doing tailslides and cobras all at the same time at Farnborough in the UK, I have also seen them at Fairford at "R.I.A.T"
like I said very impressive but in no way as agile and maneuverable as the X-31 but one is a test aircraft and the other is built for war so completely different but both are impressive in manoeuvrability.
It mightve helped to show an offside view of the manoeuvre to get a scale of the flight path. Sort of like those scenes from History channels dogfight
To give you an idea I watched this aircraft at the Paris airshow and it balanced on its tail while moving sideways (like a crab) and then did a slight tilt and with full power pulling away from the ground in a vertical motion, all from its balancing on its tail at around 150ft.
It was massively impressive and I will never forget it.
Loved those shows ❤
US military:
“Slap some 300k paint primer, and we’re golden. Not F22 golden, but we’re getting there.”
Slap some *300k glitter paint on it*
I believe the Russian military is better known for slapping paint on equipment and calling it a next generation. We actually design and build modern systems here in the US.
Ah yes that modern F35 that struggles to handle rain. Just a bit over a trillion dollars now, right? Definitely reminds me of the Russians, the USSR era Russians wrecking their economy over military spending and having bases across the world. @@TrySomeFentanyl
Herbst means Autumn or Fall in German.
These shorts are just so damn good!
Me top gun-maxxing:
acecombatmaxxing tho
Ew
It’s a bit hard to see with the distant background providing very little reference point, but if I’m understanding this correctly, is the plane basically “stopping” at the height of a climb (hence “post-stall”), then rotating on a dime before burning into its new flight path?
Correct
It sounds a lot like this is the same as an Immelman, with the differences being that the rollout happens in the middle of the maneuver rather than at the end, and the top of the arc is conducted post-stall...
But at the top of an Immelman an aircraft is already unloaded...
Whats the benefit of post stall maneuverability if it's just being used in a situation where the aircraft is unloaded anyway? Thrust vectoring is inherently cool, but I feel like there's something missing in the explanation here.
@@apieceofstring for this to be viable it would have to be executed at a very close distance and no missiles. Even if the adversary has no vectoring gimmicks they can do an immelman and be on the tail again. But it looks cool and thats what counts!
@@apieceofstringI think PSM tech makes the turn tighter.
@@apieceofstring The difference is this is done by committing to a climb that you know will stall you out and knowing your thrust vectoring will allow you to still maneuver at the top. If you know the guy chasing you doesnt have the energy to follow you and he doesnt have thrust vectoring like you then you know youre safe to commit to stalling yourself and thus if the enemy commits too, you stall him as well and can take him out. And if the enemy doesnt follow you into the climb you will still have a positional advantage over him when you turn around because he didnt climb as high as you.
Ahh yes, a new manuver for me to try to perform in an airliner.
You a pilot for RyanAir?
The most legendary manoeuvre is Adama Manoeuvre.. when the Battlestar falls through the planet's atmosphere and then jumps (all BSG fans will know :D)
basically an Immelman turn with post stall technology.
No.
That is absolutely awesome!!!
sadly the aircraft got destroyed after a loss of control due to pitot tube icing, making the computer see things incorrectly and try to do something it wasn’t supposed to, which forced the pilot to eject. crashed into the desert
F22 and F35: Ah yes, the AMRAAM main menu dish manuver
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Heck yeah pls do more aviation stuff. Immelmahn, herbst, i dont care keep it coming
Edit: spelling
Looks like a Flying Goblin Shark
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I can see it 😂
I can see it 😂
The Cobra isn't meant to turn, it's eventually done to surprise a following aircraft with a quick stop, to let the enemy pass, and you become the follower.
The Cobra was a mistake, a little flaw with the Swedish Draken, J35, that super stalled, causing many accidents.
However, pilots learned how to control and use it. They called it 'short parade'.
"I fly my sky a quarter mile at a time."
Never thought this channel would discuss jet fighter tactics 😂❤
I am in love 😮 😍 ❤️
It's also called the Yeager loop
Those are some straight up battlestar galactica viper mk vii moves.
This is an Immelmann named after Max Immelmann who did this in the first world war.
No, an Immelmann is just an over the top u-turn. This maneuver is a stall where the pilot can pick any direction he wants to exit toward.
@@duncanmcgee13 It's a u-turn, it's also post-stall. They are totally different.
C'est un Rockwell MBB X31 a poussé vectorielle. Premier vol 11 Octobre 1990. Motorisation Général Électrique F 404 avec tuyère bidimentionnelle opérant sur les axes de lacet et de tangage.
Thanks mate, I was wondering what model it was. It's beautiful!
This maneuver was showcased in the ms dos game called janes fighter anthology using the same aircraft.
AKA, the gravity is just a state of mind man maneuver
Gotta love vector paddles
I remember there is another country developing this engine. It is Japan and they are building F3 engine.
Apparently, the F-35 can execute the J-turn
Postal? **PTSD**
Look, I'm not a pilot or an expert in this area, but every pilot and expert I've met said "speed is life". If speed is life, then this looks like certain death.
Great short
I guess I found the maneuver of the game Modern Warplanes.
When you don't know where to go so you stop in midair and look around
It also contributed to emphasis on pre flight check routines as frost pedotube led to catastrophic failure of one of two x31 which were predecessors of eurofighter typhoon.
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VECTOR X-31 flight test program was an incredible experience for me and an amazing international team to work with including the Boeing engineers and program management.
i am a new subscriber, can you please do a Kvovhur bell maneuver?
Ngl, imma try this in war thunder 😂😂😂
Ofcourse it would be a German to invent this.
Herbst in german means "fall" as in fall season before winter. Unless if the inventor of this manuever is named Herbst.
@@TheGamingMotionTGMit is, as the short tells you. Wolfgang Herbst was among the pioneers of Post-stall technology and initiator of the precursor of the X-31 already, the Rockwell SNAKE. He died two years before the X-31 executed one of his maneuvers in real life.
So the "I almost fucking crashed" was named the Herbst Maneuver? Got it.
This is the shit I pull in war thunder arcade battles
It's easier in realistic, since in arcade you basically don't stall.
Ironic, right?
@@dutchdragon2472 even easier in sim where the enemy cannot just point and click at you.
@@Arnechk Yeah, snapping to targets is infinitely easier with mouse control. Though you won't lose anything yourself since you basically need full real for the maneuver anyway.
i do this in game mostly, never knew it got a name lol
The pilot casually absorbing negative g’s at the end of the maneuver 🙃🙂
I don’t think the pilot would be subjected to much negative g’s at that point as the plane looks very slow, it is more of a problem in the first part but with positive g’s. I’m not an expert though
There's a video online of an F-22 performing a similar almost 180 degree turn.
Could you do video about weapon during vietnam war?
I bet this is what those ufo sightings where they say, “it changed directions, impossibly fast!” Actually are
This maneuver works pretty good in Warthunder.
its also related to the immelman turn
Interesting ...
Btw.: I first thought it was an April's Fool joke, 'cause the name Herbst Manouver was a very common nane for NATO manouvers in Autum (Hebst) so I did some research in Wikipedia Dr. Wolfgang Herbst was killed during an accident in a scaled down replica of a FW190.
I once did this in a dogfight (I forgot in what game, I think it was war thunder) and everyone just gave up after I launched 3 missiles and got 3 kills (it was 1v6)
Ah, another awesome maneuver that would most likely get you killed in an actual dogfight 😂
You know shit is real when they include pitch down in the maneuver, instead of an inverted pitch up💀
Bro, this maneuver doesn’t require any thrust vectoring whatsoever. Infact you don’t even have to post stall. It’s literally just going vertical and applying some of the rudder. Almost like 1 circle fights exist
Oh wow !!
You would be trading off all momentum and virtually starting from zero. A very energy expensive maneuver.
This jet is beautiful - can any of y'all identify it for me?
verdadero mucho gracias
Wolfgang wore his brown flight suit that day.
Having this accent 100% of the time would be exhausting
Think of it as a sharp u turn that is corrected with thrust
Try not to ace combat challenge (impossible + gone wrong) ☠️
Does he ever turn off the afterburner ??
Hollup isn’t Messerschmitt the guy who designed the first jet plane which is also called the Messerschmitt?
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Love the x31 so sad it was canceled
ngl I thought it's J-10A
@@irfanhafizhbuntoro3772 it was a joint cooperation between America and Germany in building this jet you can tell because it looks foreign
Reminiscent of Starfox 64...
The question is...why They not produced this aircraft in Serial 😢
Herps? I have the Herps big time😀
Flat spin executed by Su57 is more Impressive. The wings of this aircraft would fall off if it tried that. Flat spin gives Su57 360 degrees attack capabilities. Remember, Fighter jets need high angle of attack for its guns. However 360 degrees attack access is more useful for launching missiles at chaser and hypersonic AA missiles are end of an engagement.
Yeah, well, in the bush we perfected a similarly effective, 3D canyon turn by combining it with a whifferdill, all while keeping both bank and pitch within FAA non-aerobatic requirements.
No acrobatics that leave you at 0 energy will be effective in real combat. Reversing your circle on a simple roll is already enough angular stability to make a gun or fox 2 solution viable.
Edit: unless REALLY specific scenarios not even the all mighties of the thrust vectoring Flankers have been using any post stall manoeuvre in recent air combat
Janes ATF. That is all ❤
What sim is this?
Giving up a lot of energy
Can you try this in War thunder 😂
Looks like another variation on the yo yo. A Method of making a fast turn during aerial combat since before WW2. The thrust vectoring might add a bit of a twist to it but the form and execution look almost identical.
For the Herbst Maneuver you need a TWR of >1, which I doubt any WW2 plane would have had
Is it a really useful manoeuvre anyway? It would bleed out all speed and leave the plane to accelerate almost from standstill...
Ace combat 4 fans know this maneuver 💀
This aircraft looks like J10
drones soon will be able to do these tests, no need to risk pilots life anymore
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the cobra is most viable in dog fights with planes that only have guns.
I had assumed they meant modern BVR type engagements they would have aircraft releasing their missiles and then going elsewhere.
A looping cobra or kvochurs bell can do pretty much that as well
I watched this aircraft fly at the Paris airshow in 1995 and trust me it can do a heck of a lot more weird and amazing twists and turns than just this video.
I watched it balance on its tail while moving sideways then pulling away virtually it was unbelievable all at around 150-200 ft it just blew my mind as a kid.
whew!
mig 29 and it's in Maverick's Su-57ish
Where are the stabilizers and elevators
trying use this in warthunder is how to get severe damage almost instantly
Ace Combat pilots : "Noobs."
Belkan.
I wanted to be featured in Ace Combat 8!!!
Those negative Gs are giving me a head ache just watching it.
litteraly a russian cobra, that was made famous by the russians
The cobra isn’t Russian.
How much better or worse than a simple Immelman turn? Looks to bleed all the speed which Immelman at least turns into altitude.
Belkan witchcraft technology
I couldn't get it, I need a drawing
That engine was not thrust vectoring lol
цирковой номер для 1993 года за счёт тяги двигателя и угла атаки с переворотом благодаря носовым закрылкам
In the modern sense then no, but it was thrust vectoring as the "doors" at the back deflected the thrust so the aircraft could perform outlandishly crazy turns that Many others could not at the time.
Remember it was a test and demonstration aircraft so was developed to different standards as other aircraft but in the general sense it did have "thrust vectoring" as it was built for testing just that.
Then the X31 fell from the sky. Thee end.
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The visuals on this video are severely lacking. Show the actual maneuver in a way we can see what’s happening.