Test of Kempower chargers in Espa
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
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The Kempower design is what e-mobility needs. Felxible and very well thought out. In contrast to it, Ionity looks like they had absolutely no plan
@@abraxastulammo9940 Single charger with 350kW was the stupidest thing Ionity could do for the start of e-mobility. Tesla recognized this right from the start and used the shared stalls.
@@Zedus-rl9hp the Tesla solution was good until now, but at least the busy places should be upgraded to v3 now without power Split.
@@JohnDoe-vx3z Kempower is the same principle as V3 = shared power for the entire charging park
Norway is providing a wealth of experience and knowledge for future EV infrastructure projects in the rest of the world.
At @16:32 the Model X driver shows the perfect example for how easy it is to start charging with Teslas Superchargers. That‘s how it should work everywhere, and that’s why Tesla is still much ahead. They are thinking emobility in a holistic manner and not only as an 1 by 1 substitution of fossils.
CCS does have this ability (Plug & Charge), but of course the charging network has to implement it. FastNed is an example of a charging provider that does this well.
@@MiesvanderLippe One day (2030s?), charging will be everywhere and will be commoditised like filling stations are today. At that point, there will no longer be a strategic advantage in owning your own charging network. It won't make any more sense for Tesla to own superchargers than it would for Mercedes to own diesel filling stations today. Until then, there is a huge advantage in having the most convenient charging, and Tesla knows it. It sells a lot of cars!
Hahaha, I could scan the QR code from the Kempower station from my monitor and it showed me the charging status: Charding ended at 73% and you consumed 10.4kWh there. So the session ID seemed still to be valid after that.
But very pleasant design of the station. Just missing a roof for bad weather.
Like, for helping the lady with e-golf.
Yes, very nice and charitable of Bjørn to help her out! And he left the confused Audi driver to his own devices 😂
A true gent as we all new you were.
@@donfetaful it was a joke xD
Bjorn is genuinely very cool
Of course he does .. she's genuinely lost ... the Audi driver just is a true numpty anyhow.
Very nice of you Bjørn to ‘help’ out the golf lady so she doesn’t have to wait for the slow etron and pay for her charging and making here awhere of maingau cheap ionity hypercharger. 👌🏻
@@abraxastulammo9940 I guess she didn't want to waste even more of her time.
Abraxas Tulammo Indeed I only use maingau for dc and with an ioniq you never charge an hour on dc so no worries for me 🤪
starts at 13:19
Abraxas Tulammo must be the new 38kw/h ioniq the old one always finishes within 1 hour on dc 😎
Good EV citizenship 👍
Kempower option.
1 to 16 satellite charging poles and/or a pantograph per charger. (a satellite can charge two cars at the same time)
A satellite can have two charging connections (both can be used at the same time)
Lowest option 150A 1000V for CCS og 125A for CHAdeMO.
Largest option 300A 1000V for CCS og 250A for ChAdeMO..
Option for 22kW Type-2
From 40 to 480 kW total power. A 40kW module can be split between to charging vehicle. In other word, charging can be load balanced in 20kW steps.
In Norway you pay for power usage in addition to energy. This makes it very expensive for operators the have a large amount of stalls at location that only get weekend rush traffic.
Shared power usage solves this, you can have a lot of stalls without the high peak power usage.
As a user, its better to stand in queue connected rather then tripping beside the car waiting.
Yes! With an onsite battery buffer they could also get higher peak output without paying the premium tariffs to the grid operator.
@@putrid_swamp_juice the DC charging station closest to my work has about 1MW of peak power demand, with 0.8MW is 50kW fast chargers, the rest is 22kW AC.
The size of the battery needed to shave of the peak there is huge. The location could increase charging speed with this charger without battery or increased power usage.
The KemPower charger looks like some thought went into the design.
@@abraxastulammo9940 It’s called strain relief and stops cables from having stress points which would kill the cable.
I saw an Ionity charger in Milton Keynes at the weekend that had a split charging cable at the handle where it was being tightly drawn to plug into cars. That killed the charger.
@@abraxastulammo9940 its not meant to be used like that...
Abraxas Tulammo lmao, when u cant park in reverse
Bjorn is a cool dude, paying for someone else's range. Probably made her day :)
The funny part is that she didn't know who I was :P
@@bjornnyland Isn't it good that ppl don't recognize you - that means EVs are not 'just' for enthusiasts but regular people!
@@bjornnyland incognito ninja charging savior!
The display should be able to show the charging curve of the charging session.
Great idea nothing beats a visual cue and it would help people better decide when it is time to stop charging and move on.
@@helenlawson8426 Actually saw this option on these chargers in an article on Cleantechnica website. cleantechnica.com/2020/06/21/the-kempower-s-series-fast-charging-system-is-amazing/
I think Kempower guys have said that the curve will be available later on.
Yes, this feature is available but not yet enabled.
@@abraxastulammo9940 No idea where you got that impression, the kempower guys are really dogfooding their stuff, so I don't think they'd put something bad on the market. You can see it demoed here: ruclips.net/video/a8h1zRSI6eI/видео.html
They state in the video that the feature will be deployed later. He didn't show trying to activate this feature in the video, so we don't know if this already is 'later' and the feature is present.
The Tesla charging experience explained in 30 seconds at 16:30. Drive up, plug in, walk away to do something else.
Fooooooood.
I bet the Golf lady would have liked that.
@@slavko321 I think we all would like that experience. My 10 year i-MiEV is not one of those.
Yeah, it's insane. The only great EV.
Great video Bjørn!
Could you perhaps make a video about charging queues and how you are supposed to "line up"? Its good to have a RUclips EV expert like you make a video and talk about charging queue etiquette
21:05 So, 75kWh battery, it says 120W on the charger (not kW), 625 hours for a full charge, at a low-low price of 75187 NOK. I'm finding another charger!
I drove around Norway this summer with my e-tron with a trailer totaling 500kg (full of tent, sleeping bags, inflatable stuff for the kids etc).. Experienced 26,4 kwh/100km on average after approx 2000km. Just checked my total for all the charging and it ended up at 1228 NOK. I ended up using the E-tron charging service (Ionity and BKK/Lyse), Smartcharge (bø Camping), Fortum and Grønn kontakt (at one charger it would not accept the e-tron card). BKK ended up being the cheapest charge and even though It was supposed to cost 2,50 NOK/kWh i did manage to charge at Liertoppen BKK for 1,39 NOK/kWh. End result being: 30 min, 56 kWh, 75 NOK.
The tour of norway was; Stavanger, Bergen, Voss, Valdres, Hønefoss, Fredrikstad, Hønefoss, Bø, Dalen, back to Stavanger, plus lots of other short drives in the 3 weeks we were on the move.
There are a few things to note. Thankfully the E-tron charges on the font side. So it is possible to charge the car without taking of the trailer. On one place, Valle, it got kinda weird, but the car did fit and it did not block anyone else using the neighboring chargers. One thing to mention is the lack of roof over electric chargers. Why the F does petrol car owners get a roof over to stop the rain but EV drivers do not? Okey, enough about that. i do own a "allværsjakke" so screw em.
Naming all the charging stations reminds me of the keyring I have lying in my Model S. That bad boy would make every janitor jealous; sprinkled with NFC-tags in every color imaginable...
The gas station roof is for battling any eventual gasoline or diesel fires. It contain a powder that is dumped from it.
Kempower for the win!
That design alone would fit in better in most areas. In winter this would help alot, thanks for showing!
Did you notice the charge % is showed at the side of the kempower charger (led diodes)? :D
@Björn, wow, the flexible cable solves your cable strain problem. Finally "sehr gut parken" for the win!
Kempower has good cable design and user interface. Well done! I think other charger manufacturers should take note
Tesla's charging network and solution is one of the reasons Tesla is so far ahead of the competition.
The pearl white is really growing on me, I say as a multicoat red owner :D
I like these new chargers, especially the dynamic load balancing between the stalls. I hope ionity install more of them in the future.
Kempower is the future, makes all kinds of sense.
Kempower is superb charger. You visually also see whether the charging station is free or not by observing the spring loaded wires.
Also the led indicator on side of the station is a nice touch to provide status.
I am in awe how charging has become such a competitive market there. Soon it will be the same in US outside of California. Finally the state government is helping more. Before it was only some federal grant money to help and if utilities wanted to take initiative to have new chargers installed. There are lots of AC chargers being built in the city. These Kempower pedestals look a lot like chargepoint AC chargers on size. More chargers are getting smart on the cables. Dealing with a coil of big fat cables sucks. I have yet to find a DCFC without an app here with charge info.
Power cost example:
The grid operator charges a fee per month , for power and energy used.
The power part for Hafslund charges in winter (Des-Feb) is 150NOK/kW + 0.07NOK/kWh.
Lets look at the cost of a "standard" charging station that is used max power. (assume 100% efficiency )
2x 50kW DC + 2x 22kW AC = 144kW
The power charge per month is 144kW * 150NOK/kW = 21600NOK (=2 036€ or $2357)
The cost is the same if the location uses 144kW for one hour a month, or 144kW constant for one month.
The problem is that this cost have to be spread out on the months charging session.
So, adding a 150kW charingstation in addition to handle weekend traffic cost 22500NOK/month in additional cost. In addition the charing operator may have to pay for a new transformer, just to handle weekend traffic.
Load balancing solves a lot of this problem, especially on location with only weekend traffic.
1:09 min "Hurtiglader" we also understand this in germany 😁
I found the "dauer" text funny, when he switches to german. In norwegian "dauer" means "will die", so it seems its counting towards his death by electrocution. :o
Helge Heyerdahl
🤣🤣🤣
@@WaylonSmithers85 Btw, the norwegian long haul transport company Toten Transport raises some eyebrows when their trailers enter Germany.
www.google.com/search?q=toten+transport&sxsrf=ALeKk02UlPNFzv7oQ8WFRygkzFvprvMJDg:1595714902671&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjft76ftenqAhWCjYsKHQcnDr0Q_AUoAXoECAwQAw&biw=960&bih=468
That interface looks like the original starship enterprise lights lol
This is genius. From what I have heard charging provides struggle with huge cost/fees connected to having a high Power connection to the grid. Using this distributed setup they can set up more stalls with lower Power hookup to the grid without really meaningfully diminish charging power for the users.
Bjorn, you are a true gentleman to help and educate that lady. Nice touch bro. Also amazing Video on Superchargers, thank you very much.
Great video Bjorn! Love your practical and simple style. Enjoying from Australia!
Good stuff indeed. The next evolution step might be utilization of leftover heat from DC chargers (in general, incl. SCh) to heat nearby buildings (gas stations, restaurants etc.).
The kempower charge is a good solution for load balancing but only if the price is per kwh and not per min. If it was per min, the more vehicles connect the slower you will charge and the more it will cost.
Not if the logic is that first car gets all the power needed (like old logic for supercharger v2).
@@bjornnylandTrue.
0:38 It’s a DC *converter*, not inverter. An inverter always converts DC to AC, not the other way around!
And AC to DC converter is called a "rectifier "
Bjørn mixed a bit back and forth.....
rectifier = AC => DC. Norwegian: likeretter
inverter = DC => AC: Norweigan: vekselretter
transformer = AC => AC (voltage change) : Norwegian : transformator
Thanks for the clarification.
A converter usually refers to a dc to dc converter like the 400v to 12v converter in the tesla.
@Morten Fjeldstad It does, but usually you’d say “voltage converter” or “DC to DC converter” to clarify what your referring to. “converter” alone is a general term that can refer to AC-DC or DC-DC conversion. For example, the end points of a high voltage DC (HVDC) power line, which convert AC to DC and back again, are called “converter stations”.
Go Kempower! Really, that is the way all chargers need to be from now on. Very impressed but at the same time its so obvious really. Thankfully Osprey are going to start installing them in the UK, so looking forward to seeing them here very soon.
Kudos for helping out the e-Golf lady. That was good sheit.
Kempower for the win! 👍👍👍😁
Very helpful video, but also should be a heads up for charging operators.
I do like those Kempower chargers. Also I wish they would do the fallback to "free"-mode if the Internet connection fails in Germany. Here those chargers would be dead...
You are so lucky. Here in the uk we have only one rapid charger and it doesn't work. And when it did , I had to wait three days to use it while waiting for hybrid drivers to finish.
fantastic video comparison! Super good Job!
Thanks for changing the language to German. Greatings from Hamburg :D
Bjorn, super as always... material is very useful ...
"This video not brought to you by Kempower." An honest review, then now the videos are brought to you by Kempower. Easy transition!
Looks like a really good solution. Better for both us EV drivers and also easier on the grid. Hope to see more locations like this in the future!
I love that cable managment!! I want a similar spring for my cable at home :-)
I like the shared system, the first car should continue with full power and the new arrivals will have the "leftovers" that way you can have a "queue" where you can leave the car and go eat instead of waiting for the first car to leave and use its cable.
A very informative roundup of various charger infrastructures. Still no company puts the foam donut rings on the cables to avoid panel damage from vibration, like on fuel pumps since years :-(
Kempower has also a 40 kW movable charger/home station. All you need is a 63 A socket :)
Share and combine the power in the chargers is the future. It make sense, and is more profitable.
Fastned and other providers have been using these a while now. I think they are awesome
16:27 A live visual of your explanation how the split works when the Model X splits the charge rate of the Model S next to him instead of taking the one the stall behind him.
I like the Kempower design and features. Want them here in the USA.
16:45 That's why a Tesla Model X (or any Tesla) is a better option than an e-Tron.
All charging Stations should have cover over the charger and cars for rain/snow etc and have solar panels on them just to help with some contribution perhaps to a battery and to help light up the area for safety.
I like these kempower setup.. should have more of those in Europe.
We're so, so far behind here in Canada, as per usual. Abundant hydroelectric power severely underutilized. I suppose Norway's government must be one of the least corrupt anywhere.
Review of EV charging by the guy that really knows what an EV charger should be identifies Kempower the best chargers which are designed by people who drive EVs. This is the best test of charge infrastructure. Ive seen but then again Im not surprised. We are witnessing the charging systems catching up with EVs at last.
Kempower looks great, small means less expensive, good cable configuration, they have kW on display, not only kWh (important when you pay for charging time) and even share the power from the main power. Maybe the main power housing also have the 4G and shares it with the 6 charger on LAN to save cost ? Good sheeet from Finland !
I am looking forward to use a Kempower charger in Finland. I hope Fortum will start to install them here as well.
Ionity typically has a 1,25MW transformer for 6 chargers. So they can not provide 350 kW to all 6 stalls. At Dal they probably have a 2,5MW (as you said), because it is prepared for 12 stalls.
The Circle K Abb chargers seems to have a failed cooling unit, so it only delivers 30 kW.
The Kempower chargers seem nice and a very good solution, I like them.
Norway electric car drivers are so lucky with the great charging network, here in the UK its a joke! (Unless you have a Tesla) Owned a Tesla Model S which was super easy to live with, but now I have a Jaguar I Pace First Edition - great car but it’s just to difficult to get consistent charging in the UK, it’s dreadful at best, especially when doing distance traveling- hence why I am going back to a petrol car.
Why not back to a Tesla?
Yeah, why not tesla?
Model S getting very old and I just don’t like the the look of the Model 3 (Although I know it’s a great car) test drove a Porsche Taycan - Superb electric car, but again the charging network in the UK is just not good enough. It took me 7.5 hours (13 hours there and back) to do a journey last week, because of the terrible charging network, 7 out of the 8, 50kW charges were not working!! The same journey in a petrol car would have only took 3 hours (6 hours round trip) It’s not the Jaguar’s fault, it’s the UK charging network!!
Atlantik av yep, i see. Dad drives a 2016 refresh model S and I stil like the look of it every day and still gives me thrills if i drive it.
@@atlantikav5902 The good news is that the government seems to be getting serious about investing in high power charging. They want to have 6-12 150-350kW chargers at motorway services by 2023 (although the original announcement said "all MSAs", but now the word "all" has been removed!), and are providing financing for connection costs etc via a £400m investment fund. www.gov.uk/government/publications/government-vision-for-the-rapid-chargepoint-network-in-england/government-vision-for-the-rapid-chargepoint-network-in-england
Am currently looking at portable DC charger and really like the Kempower T Series.
Funny how so many of these different charging stalls are designed and manufactured in Finland, but we don't really see many of them in use here in Finland :D I believe we have only 1 or 2 of these hyperchargers in the whole country and I'm not aware of any of these new Kempower stalls, only their software test stalls which are movable 40kW ones.
The company is just starting out and delivering some of its first public chargers I think. You can petition your local operators (Virda? and Fortum) to install Kempower chargers
@@otabird9739 Operators here have been extremely reluctant to install any HPCs in general; outside of Tesla superchargers there are only a handful of them in the entire country. Virta to my knowledge has 0 HPCs and Fortum only 3.
I like the concept. Good shit. Hey Bjørn, what about the progress of installing Fortum chargers in the finnmark? Fortum seems to be very slow. So far only 1 charger is finished in Alta and another one is under construction in Hammerfest. Do you have any new information?
Fortum backed out of it.
@@bjornnyland Oh noooo! Why??? Not because of your video series in the finnmark :-) Very sad.
Ole Gudbrann Hempel left Fortum and joined Tesla supercharger team.
Also strikes me that since the high-power charging cables are physically heavy, that Kempower design must help with that.
Good Samaritan Bjorn well done 👍🏻
Now I'm interested, if you have any connection to germany. Speaking some fairly good german, using a Maingau Card, which is a german company.
I love your videos, keep up the good work!
Greetings from a Skoda Citigo-e driver from Düsseldorf! :)
The Kempower box looks like a stack of batteries ;)
You’re lucky to have so much choice in Norway! In the UK we have 1 50kw station at each motorway services, and they hardly work!
Ahh the Ecotricity Electric Highway, courteously of Dale Vince, the guy who’s singlehandedly done more than anyone else to make high speed charging hopeless in the UK
Kemp power bjorn approved
Man, I wish Tesla would make some of their SC sites in the US with pull through lanes like you've got! With Cyber truck coming and more people towing, is really going to be mandatory.
i watch every one of these videos and don't even have an EV
Sounds familiar :)
I like those long cable Kempower chargers, I've got a right hand drive i3, for the UK, but the charging port is on the drivers side for left hand drive countries, so in order to get the cable to reach on road side chargers, I have to park the wrong way round which is a real pain when you have to drive across a busy road in the wrong direction.These chargers would solve that problem.
Good video, and great design by Kempower. But I think they forgot a 'k' at 21:05. Should be '120 kW' and not just '120 w' :-)
I have emailed Fortum about this.
Thanx, very good shit! My Kona’s awesome range means I seldom get to self-learn this stuff but very good to know. 👍
Late comment, but Osprey Charging in the UK have just announced they'll start installing these next month.
Kempower for the win.
I like the LED fuel gauge on the side of the Kempower
great great video Bjorn!
Very well explained! 😃👍👍
I really appreciated the Kempa chargers, but seeing some chaos om cramped charging stations I wonder if the design also should include a better queuing system.
Notice how easy it is to charge at Teslas supercharger (17min). Brilliant👍
16:30
The Ionity chargers I've seen in Belgium (in Grace-Hollogne) use the same user interface as those ABB chargers in your video, but on a much larger display.
They don't seem very reliable though, when I was there yesterday only 2 out of the 4 chargers worked. One was just off completely, and on one you could see the Linux log output, the UI had crashed.
I love the idea of sharing the juice. What I don't like is the charge per minute. If I park and start a charge and I pay per minute (which you do at some places) you don't really want the charge kw to be lower, because that means you're going to pay more for the same. Or do I have this all wrong?
19:29 Tesla Bjorn aproved!
excellent
Gentleman = Ehrenmann :-)
The new Leaf also shows you how many kW the charger is delivering and will charge at up to 100kW.
Hero!
Hi Bjørn, thanks for this great video! Is CHAdeMO also being deprecated in Norway? The Circle-K ABB chargers don't seem to have CHAdeMO connectors, IONITY doesn't have them either (well, IONITY is from Germany, and here we have laws about preferring CCS), and even on the new Kempower chargers, only 2 of 6 seem to have CHAdeMO...
That's correct. But Fortum, Grønn Kontakt and BKK still supports CHAdeMO.
It looks like even Tesla could learn something from Kempower. It is extreme rare that all stalls need to deliver peak power at the same time.
Very interesting, thank you.
And then there is Italy, were we have all 50Kw parallelogram shape DC “fast charger”
Francesco Boselli and then you have MALTA with no fast chargers, only 11kw posts.
Eric Wadge wow that really sucks man. I hope that in the next future the will install at least one
@@ewadge Malta is tiny!! It's literally 40 minutes from one end of the island to the other. Not a lot of need for fast chargers... except at the Ferry terminal... maybe.
Björn. Whats the best charger maker company in your opinion. Thanks for reply.
Germany is so far behind in the transition to electrifying the vehicle fleet compared to Norway. And the electricity price in Norway is also much cheaper.
@@steffen8964
It is not the Germans who determine the automotive future, but the world!
@@Psi-Storm Again, not the Germans determine the automotive future, but the world!
Test the Polestar 2 please
The same as Polar Network in the UK
There is an App for Roadster 1 too! Amazing shit this charging station where you can scan and take the screen with you on the phone 👌✌️🤘
helt topp!
Hei Bjørn. Har en Nissan leaf 62kwh. Har forstått det sånn at det er antall Ampere på ladestasjonene med Chademo som er problemet. Finnes det noen ladere som kan servere mer enn 125A på det norske markedet og som faktisk kan servere mer en de klassiske 46kwh?