Fourteeners in Colorado will soon be listed at new elevations
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- Опубликовано: 17 апр 2024
- A new way of studying altitude is adjusting a few things across Colorado, from our well-loved Rocky Mountain peaks to the famous steps at the Colorado State Capitol.
Not showing the list is just weak.
“Colorado is a very high state.” 🌿
For anyone wondering why this actually matters, the important news is really about the techniques used by the researchers. Basically these new techniques can help make more accurate models for other studies, and give more accurate geographic information for applications that require it. A lot of these applications are above my head, but it seems like the kind of info that matters to the scientists doing the behind-the-scenes work of helping our society function.
From the same “scientists” who believe beyond a shadow of a doubt that mountains are the result of volcanism and plate tectonics. What a laugh. Riddle me this, how can tectonic plates pushing on each other cause mountains everywhere to be Lichtenberg fractals when viewed from above? It’s physically impossible for it to happen randomly once, much less virtually every time. These fake science people are charlatans.
I’m sure it was absolutely necessary… and probably costs endless millions. 😂
Why not just use a Fit Bit?
Still sounds useless
We supposedly landed a man on the moon in the 60s but cant determine the heights of mountains here on earth. Go science!!! 😂😂😂😂
I feel ya mountains. Doctor told me the same last visit.
We mostly saw the geodesy GPS receivers they brought up to all the tops, right? Using those with a baseline receiver at a nearby known location (and altitude!), you can measure the absolute ECEF (Earth Centered Earth Fixed) 3D coordinates to within a few millimeters/fraction of an inch. ECEF is the actual coordinate system used by the GPS constellation, the hard part of this entire project (and which had taken 15 years(!) according to the reporting) is to determine exactly where the sea level would have been, underneath all those mountains.
GPS uses the WGS84 geoid, which is more or less an ellipsoid chosen to best approximate the shape of the sea level surface of the entire world, but then to get the actual heights correct, you have to measure how much the local sea level surface deviates from this due to varying density/weight of the Earth in different areas.
If global warming manages to melt the Greenland icecap, that will rise the global sea level by about 7m, but not by the same amount everywhere: Getting rid of so much weight near the North Pole will reduce the polar flattening, so that low-lying islands near Equator will be maybe 10m below the sea, while a country like Norway will see a sea level rise of just a couple of meters.
I had no idea that the ocean level rise would be so disparate like that. Along with stuff like Mt Chimborazo in Ecuador, the weirdness of the shape of the Earth never ceases to amaze.
I also wanna add that on a general basis, if the continental ice sheet on the northern hemisphere melt (Greenland) the sea level will rise in the southern hemisphere. Vice versa for the southern hemisphere (Antarctica)
After decades of thinking that the highest mountains in the lower 48 were in Colorado, I discovered the tallest mountains in the lower 48 are in the Sierra Nevada's.
And the highest peak, Mt Whitney, is not far away from the lowest point in North America, Death Valley.
They’re in the Sierra Nevada’s what, exactly? They’re in the Sierra Nevada’s pocket? the Sierra Nevada’s front porch? the Sierra Nevada’s purse?
@@cwg73160 I'm going to assume you are a very well behaved and very nice person that's just having a bad day...
@@joshb.1118 Do you often think that people who are trying to teach you things are in bad moods? That’s embarrassing and unfortunate.
We are changing this measuring device too?
Anyone know what they’re doing feeding those bottle things into that tube at the end? Are those measuring devices being dropped out of the plane?
Chemtrails
They're used poop silos. They are discarding them so they don't make the plane stinky.
Four Corners could be up to 6 Miles OFF .😂
Lots of folks deserve a refund
@@danielchilton5400 Datz troo .
Those corners are exactly where they should be, let AZ NM CO UT figure the rest out.
How much is this costing, to adjust a mountains height by twenty feet?
See that plane? That is not an insignificant amount of money to be sending it up to altitude for research purposes. If I had to guess the amount of money put into this specific project is likely in the millions of dollars range if you are using a plane that big to begin with. But as others have already mentioned this is being done by NOAA and has a far greater amount of implications beyond just checking the height of a couple dozen mountains and will likely be part of the groundwork of dozens of other research studies so that is why it is important to document it accurately rather than continue pouring money into research with flawed data.
@@Xhadp We got the gist of it, the pilots know their flying altitude in the range.
Maybe you're right. Maybe that money should go into education instead so that our population knows when "mountain's" should have an apostrophe.
@@ClarkPotter I think you should teach the class. You clearly have a love for correcting grammar.
Wait... does this mean we might get an updated NAVD soon?
Very cool!
Do mountains get shorter due to sea level rise?
Good question
Yess they do if you count from sealevel, thats weird hahah
And erosion.
Now, they'll all be listed as "equal heights."
The Rockies in Colorado have stopped growing, and, they will eventually erode and fill the basins between the peaks. It was once flat land, and, it will be again, unless there is a big change in the plate tectonics that made them in the first place.
Perhaps perhaps a spreading ridge will form.
Where the basin arranged extension is occurring in nevada
Cool. Nobody cares. That's 250 million years away.
@jimsonjohnson3761...You clicked, you commented, you care.
Whoops!
P.S. Do you have something against spreading knowledge?
Or are you offended by becoming just a wee bit smarter?
do 14ers really count when the base elevation is already like 6000 feet in the valley? i went to colorado and the mountains were so underwelming versus mountains like mount rainier or mount hood or other cascade mountains whos base elevation is sea level
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I’ve heard that 14ers only count if you climb at least 3000 ft of elevation. Heard that multiple times, but I agree it seems weird
@@BigTrees4ever can’t you drive to the top of most 14s in Colorado too in the summer? Lol full parking lots. That’s wack. I’d love to see a parking lot put on the top of Mount Shasta or mount rainier
@PhaseSkater You can only drive to the top of a couple of them. Like 3 out of the 50+ in the state. The height is above sea level so they still "count" either way
@@sebastianwhalin743 prominence matters more though. We might as well say the “ Republic Plaza “ skyscraper in downtown Denver is several thousand feet taller than the Empire State Building in New York or sears/Willis tower in Chicago with that “ sea level “ logic.
Well that video told me not much
Get high stay high!
See level is not level?
Not with that altitude.
The sea got waves, waves aren’t leval.
No, it isn't. Sea level on the east coast is actually higher than sea level at the same latitude on the west coast due to prevailing winds. But what they are saying here is the mass of the earth isn't even, so gravitational pull on the ocean isn't even. So some spots of ocean are higher than others.
Sea level isn't level. They take the average sea level across all oceans, accounting for waves too. That's why it is called MEAN sea level.
Tides?
Last time I looked Alaska had seven mountains above 15,000 feet and fourteen that are above 14,000. Denali (at 20,300+) rises more than 18000 feet from the surrounding plains. Does Colorado have more than one that rises half of that?
Colorado has 58 14ers. No, they don’t have anything close to Denali but the amount of mountains alone is what is so cool. My grandpa has climbed 30 or so. But yes Denali is the mecha unless you go to Mexico.
How do you not know this if you are asking such a detailed question.
@@jimsonjohnson3761 I think it's because the mountains in Colorado on a general basis aren't as sharp and distinctive as the Alaskan mountains, where a lot of those mountains are volcanoes or volcanic complexes (Colorado has volcanoes but not as young as Alaska's)
Since sea levels are rising, wait 15 more years and they can change the elevations again.
Determining sea level has been a continuous problem for hundreds of years for various reasons. The gravity measurements and mapping he’s talking about, those affect satellites. There are so many variables in their formula, they should just leave the established elevations alone as fuzzing the existing numbers doesn’t do anything for the general population except irritate them.
So the mountains didn't change but the ground below them did??? OK 👍 I get it 🤪🤪🤪. Rocky mountain High ✌️
Men have a fascination with measuring things.
Colorado Rocky Mountain "not so high"!
58 states?
This is called milking the mouse. Hard to do and gets you next to nothing.
"We got grant money to do this thing that nobody cares about and doesn't change anyone's life. So by gosh we went to Colorado on the public dime. Who wouldn't?"
As someone that has been in the Himalaya, 14k... you mean the foothills? :P
Congrats on visiting the Himalayas, nobody cares
You and everyone else that jumps on the band wagon and dies to try and look cool
The Rockies have life in them and aren’t treated like garbage dumps!
Maybe this "loss of cred" will cause the narcissists to move out?
Easier to cross the Rockies than the sierras
Seems like a wasteful way to spend tax dollars...
That's what Colorado is good at!!!
The sea could be 14’ higher making Al Gore correct
Mt Whitney laughs at Colorado
Why are we spending millions of dollars on this?? Especially when we already have gps accurate to a foot!?
this is the beautiful thing about science: we can always strive to make more precise measurements, and it doesn't always have to bring revenue :)
Colorado might be landlocked, but the rising oceans from Climate Change are going to absolutely destroy some of Colorado's 14ers.
And how much did we pay for this lol?
The planet nor the various continents (crust) aren’t static. They float on a more molten core. To think in terms of “fixed” physicality is as pre-scientific as Isaac Newton’s metaphysical views of spacetime.
Planets float in space. The outer layer of the Earth consist of lithospheric plates that float on the mantle/asthenosphere, depending on the classification. The core consist of a liquid outer core and a solid inner core :)
Mine's bigger than yours...
We left Colorado at the end of last year. That state has far more important things to spend it tax payers money on.
Its a federal agency doing the work
Bahahaha!!! We supposedly landed a man on the moon in the 60s but cant determine the heights of mountains here on earth. 😂😂😂😂
Instead of measuring atmospheric gravity and spending 15 years, measuring the heights of Colorado 14 years why don’t they use their intelligence to find miss seat and exploded children our government sucks
At 2:12 With the plane bouncing up and down, expect a +/- of 2 feet. Not a couple of inches
😅😂. One of the problems with short videos like this one is that a lot of information gets left out. Like the primary method for actually measuring altitude is by using a technique called satellite radar alimeters which measures radar waves to measure mountain height.
The planes in the 15 year long research were measuring the gravity levels on earth and from this more accurate altitudes of the mountains can be determined from the satellite data.
Almost every short video is likely going to lack some key detail which could provide a better understanding especially concerning a subject in science.
You apparently don’t know how this mapping works 😂
The gravimeters account for that…
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Rising sea levels, erroision takes it toll.
Colorados mountains are tiny…I live in Alaska and these are more like “hills” 🤦🏻♂️
We don't care about Alaska, we're not really attached to it anyway.
@@cmcer1995 yes do not concern yourself with anything going on up here. Just stay where you are please.
The difference is prominence. Most Alaskan mountains have a base only a few hundred feet above mean sea level at most. Colorado's mountains mostly all have bases about 6,000 feet due to the Colorado Plateau. This means that Colorado mountains only have a couple thousand feet of climbing to reach the top, while Alaskan mountains you might have to climb 2 or 3 times farther up (and then there's Denali, which is a whole different beast.)
Another thing is how they're formed and the effects of erosion. I can't really explain that because erosion isn't something I know too much about, though.
Mountains non the less
@@ForzaMonkey Same exact thing with Washington state ans the Cascade Mountains, Olympic mountains, and Volcano triangle.
The base of Mount Rainer (14,411ft) is near sea level. So you can literally stand in Seattle, and look at the Salish sea 🌊🚢🚣♂️ and off in the distance is Mount Rainier 🏔️ rising 14,000ft from the ground. Its basically a 14,000ft tall mountain. And is the MOST Prominent/ TALLEST mountain in the lower 48 states of the USA 🇺🇲.
Whereas comapred to Pikes Peak, Colorado, (14,115ft), the base of the mountain starts at around 5,800ft being generous, or 5,500ft standing on the FLAT plains of Colorado in the east on the edge of the mountain.
This means Pikes Peak (HIGHEST mountain in Colorado at 14,110ft) is actually only 8,315 TALL or prominent.
Height = elevation from sea level 🌊
Tallness or Prominence = height from tip/top to bottom/base of mountain 🏔️
This is why Mount Rainier in Washington state ABSOLUTELY DWARFS Pikes Peak in Colorado in SIZE despite Rainier being only a mere 300ft higher in elevation from sea level. The difference is, Mount Rainier has a base around 200 or 300ft from sea level to 1,500ft from sea level (depending on what you define as the "base" or "bottom" of the mountain. But considering you can actually SEE Mount Rainier from sea level, it means you are see the ground rise 14,000ft.
Whereas pikes peak, from the FLAT plains of Colorado, you are only seeing the ground rise 8,315ft. Since the super FLAT plains of Colorado are already 5,800ft in elevation.
Similar situation to Mount Denali Alaska, not only is it a MIGHTY 20,000+ FT behemoth of a mountain.....but it can be seen from 500ft in elevation or maybe even lower. That means you are literally seeing the ground rise 20,000ft in the air.
Dont get me wrong, Colorado has beautiful mountains, and they ARE 100% very HIGH elevation. They are just NOT as TALL as other mountains. Ive hiked Colorados rockies more than any other places all combined. It is still beatiful. I love the high elevation climate that you can't find at many other mountain ranges which are taller.
My point is, ELEVATION does NOT = TALLER or BIGGER.
Just because the colorado mountains don't LOOK as tall or big, does NOT mean they are notHIGH ELEVATION. They certainly are. It's just the flat Colorado plains are at 5,000+ ft elevation already, so the mountain bases are already higher elevation than many mountains in other states even before the colorado mountains begin.
If the sea level rises, does that mean mountains will all shrink by the amount the sea rises? Lol, great minds think alike, i see;)
So many girls were shrieking in fear that they would have to change their dating profile pic when they read the title
Colorado. Mini commiefornia
True. But its natural beauty will have me coming back for the rest of my entire life. If you avoid Denver/Boulder area, You’re good.
@@ndcw918 The mountains are overcrowded.
@@SpartacusColo lol the ski towns and resorts maybe. People like me avoid those and go into mountains themselves, not the easy to get to place everybody else and their dog is at.
dude, Colorado is borderline worse than California is actually. they are stripping their citizens of their rights faster than anywhere else in the United States.
Oh leave it alone
User error
People who climb 14ers make that their whole personality. No one gives a f…
A bunch of money spent, and this helps us how?
for fun.
Accurately calculating heights above sealevel is useful for ag, construction, and a 100 other things. Think on it before giving up son.
@@johndanger8717 Been doing fine with what we had.
@@user-dw1ls3rp1lthe same way it “helps us” when they spend millions to research gay chimps or if monkeys get addicted to cocaine or all the other multi billion dollar studies they’ve done recently that are completely pointless. Just an excuse to spend the money they stole from us in the first place.
@@user-dw1ls3rp1l Farmers in the hills of southwestern Georgia said the same thing, and they made Providence Canyon in just 50 years on that mindset. With the rockies, a much higher mountain range, that process of erosion is greatly accelerated.
Your tax dollars at work.
The secret is that they aren’t shorter 🤕
The sea level is higher silly Billy
Sounds like more wasted money ! Thats my biggest concern here in Calirado ! Mountains aren't as tall as i thought 😒
Bum me out
They government loves spending other people's money on useless crap. All while Denver has turned into a crime-ridden $@#$ hole. So glad I got out of that dumpster fire!
You don’t think accurate height calcs are important for farming, intrasturcture, etc.?
@@johndanger8717how exactly does this effect farming anywhere, or our crumbling infrastructure that just needs to be repaired? Don’t just take what these people spoon feed you at face value, have a little bit of logical critical thought when authorities say things.
You think these scientist could find something more constructive to do with their time.
@@BigTrees4ever John has a point. The height of mountains has a surprising effect on the rate of erosion in the plains, that being that the more elevation change there is, the more erosion there will be, and also weather in the plains, such as rain, snow, etc. Both of those are huge factors to consider in agriculture so you don't ruin the topsoil, or worse. Look at Providence Canyon, in Georgia. That canyon, albeit small, formed in just 50 years in a semi-hilly environment due to a combination of regional erosion patterns (caused mostly by rain) and poor farming practice. In a much flatter part of the state, a geographic feature such as that would likely never occur.
And erosion has an obvious effect on crumbling infrastructure. It makes said infrastructure go "bye bye!" That isn't really ideal when Colorado is the 2nd most populous state in the Mountain West.
Makes no difference whatsoever. Just make work for government employees.
What do you do for a living that's so valuable to society?
Are you working on the cure for cancer? My hunch is no.
Useful? For what exactly? An astronomical waste of time, money, and resources. Because science!
No - because taxpayers.
Agreed!
it has many implications especially for things like city planning, bridge planning, dam planning, calculating tides, and many other scientific uses its also a practice that has been done for centuries albeit just more accurately with modern methods.
@@zachmoyer1849 YUP. completely useless endeavor. nonsense waste.
@@africanature lol ok man im not gonna try to educate you as i dont think any knowledge could get in anymore.
Sounds like a complete waste of money
you feel that way because you are blissfully unaware of the implications of these measurements and their uses
Better this than sending money to Israel or Mar-a-lago😂
@@veganpotterthevegan this is really not a democrat vs republican thing
@@zachmoyer1849 either is sending money to Israel or Mar-a-lago...
@@zachmoyer1849 please inform me of how important it is to know precisely how tall a mountain is and how it will affect anyone’s life if a mountain is 14,000 feet or 13,900 feet.
will climate change ever cease its relentless diminishment of our landscape???
2nd Law of Thermodynamics - Entropy. The landscape will ALWAYS change. It's basic physics.
Just like birds, climate change is not real. 🙃
If you are blaming the diminishment of the landscape, not exactly sure what that means, on manmade CO2, you’re an idiot! Climate change has been happening since the beginning of time. The hubris of politicians to use weather/climate change for political purposes worries me more than the actual climate change!
Climate has NEVER stopped changing since the beginnings of the Earth.... take a moment and just let that sink in. the climate is constantly changing and shifting. its just really slow. the earth goes from ice age to tropical age and then back to ice age and keeps going back and forth between the two. its nothing new and there is literally nothing that humans can do to stop it. its natural.
14 years....to measure a rock pile???? Sounds like a democrat study with a nice big committee to pay.
Watch the video and pay attention, you may here them describe that this was a test of the new altitude measuring system used country wide for all sorts of things (ag, construction etc.)
@@johndanger8717 how about you take your pay attention comment and place it somewhere your opinion is wanted. This video as usual outlines Democrat waste. You aren't half as intelligent as you think you are.
Did you know mountain elevation is relative to gender fluidity ?
@@Couffee I'm sorry I don't recognize that pair of words when they are put together. My testosterone level actually erases it from existence. It's a really crazy thing. U could post both of those words separately in separate comments and I'll see em. Second u add that space in the same comment....just like that!! ......gone. KUHRAZY! I KNOW!
@@user-vt1oj2cp5w that’s why our great leader is advocating hormone blockers so that that extra test can be suppressed and if you eat less beef that equates to less C02 (gas of life) alongside the eradication of cow farts which have been melting glaciers at a record pace.
as a tax payer, and a avid hiker and climber, I really do not care about the "true height" of the mountains!! you spent 15 YEARS on a system to accurately measure stuff..... that is insane. think about how many MILLIONS OF DOLLARS went towards this. its rediculous. as a taxpayer I would rather have seen all this money go towards infrastructure and developing better mass transit networks and for things that actually provide a direct positive impact on the citizens. spending all this money on accurate measurements is utterly stupid.
Waste of a life.
There you go again projecting your own emotional insecurities!!
Imagine posting comments like this...
It took 14 years to develop the new surveying system. They tested it out in Colorado
Everything in this story sucks
It's a mountain it goes up and down. Don't talk about climbing and hiking get out and do it !!
Fifteen years of flights to remap the gravity/elevations of the U.S. Fascinating 🖖 🏔️ I’m glad all of Colorado’s 14ers are still mountain peaks 14,000+ feet above sea level (at least until sea level rises more).
does it count when their base elevation in the valleys is already like 6-8000 feet?
@@PhaseSkater Nope.
@@PhaseSkater eh. No, because there's less climbing. Yes, because there's less oxygen. Obviously not as little oxygen as, say, the Himalaya, but for a Florida man like myself it's definitely a LITTLE noticable.
The generally accepted definition for 14ers among mountaineers is at least 300 feet of prominence, so they're still easily 14ers even with that boost from the Colorado Plateau