I love watching Giger's channel. He tries difficult and unique tricks and shows the amount of work that he does to land a trick, without being too loud and obnoxious like other "youtube skaters". I hope he does on the current BATB.
if you redo this in the future, please add a defensive stat and a consistency of difficult tricks stat. defensive stat: % tricks landed on defense consistency of difficult tricks: % tricks that are under 75% consistency landed (or other arbitrary difficulty, 50% 33%?)
I filmed PJ way back in the day in Philly whenever he came to town, before anyone knew who he was. Even when he missed the trick he was trying to film, he still rolled away on the bolts. He had everyone that was a local at Love heated. Unless you've seen him skate in person, you'll never fully understand just how good he is.
The more games a player participate in, the more his numbers will go down. Also, I think titles won and how a participant places should be factored in. Sewa always seems to be in finals night, and PJ, of course, has the most tournament wins. Great vid as usual tho, enjoy watching you channel grow in popularity.
@@dubtgangstar Hes favoring certain statistics over others, but pj having basically 1000 tricks landed while the next closest are 637 and then 400 something is wild, and that most of his battles were in the 2000s or early 2010s. He also has 4 finals in a row and won 2 of them in a row, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013 he was in the finals everytime. Ill never forget, the 2010 one the winner got leaked and people were pretty suprised pj lost. P rodd said out of the hundreds of times hes played him in skate that was the only time hes ever beaten him lmao. I think you kind of had to watch that era of BATB to understand how above he was everyone in consistency and with just all tricks switch or regular, and technical tricks. Season 1 everyone wanted the finals to be Pj vs Mike mo but Pj somehow lost to benny fairfax lmao.
I used to love gifted hater bro but no ones better than dumb data in the skate community, after seeing him cry over u making the most light hearted joke ever I can't watch him no more, to hell with wut he thinks u made a sustainable RUclips channel on a topic I didn't even know I needed and I love it keep up the good work bro love the channel
WOOOW extremely surprised mike mo didnt make top 10. I did some stats based on wins vs loss but also included how many batb the skater participated in and based on that pj ladd and mike mo were top 2. Amazing data you have! Just subscribed
Diego Najera wins my own prize for best flat ground style. It literally looks effortless for him, and as though the board is stuck to his feet, even when it flips! Man, a lot of work must of went into this, really well done!
Very nice analysis, it also made me think of extra things you could have included: successful defensive lands on the letter T (clutch), head-to-head stats between all top 10 skaters and the number of tournament wins.
he inspired me to learn nollie heelflip/kickflip shiftys! i got incredibly consistent with nollie front heel shifty and it was such a fun trick to blast over euro gaps and other stuff.
The thoroughness of these videos have reached god mode. The numbers don’t lie, I would have guessed PJ Ladd would have come out on top. If you add the element of style, where how the tricks are done somehow could be calculated, I think we could all agree that Luan would take top spot.
holyshit, 22 minute video. Good work man!! I would be so psyched to see my own name in these videos if i was a pro skater. And pretty anxious at the same time lol.
Amazing! Did you consider using ELO ratings? I would be very curious to see the results if you took that route. ELO is used for chess rankings and 538 uses it for the historic NBA teams so I think it's a good system to consider.
How is Chris Cole having such a deep bag a surprise? He's a literal legend and icon, he stands among the greatest of skaters ever, even still at 40, crushing shit
All the top 10 skaters are awesome, but in my opinion at Batb Luan is the one I enjoy more; his style, speed, pop, cleanliness are the best. This might not emerge by your great work on the data, but in skateboarding there is a lot is not easy to capture in numbers ... the Art
Crunched some numbers on Mike Mo pre-injury and he had a consistency rate of 81.83% which actually put him above P-Rod, Shane O'Neill, and Sewa. This was up until BATB 7 when he still had two working feet 😭
It's crazy were skateboarding went to since I stopped back in the 90s I feel like I'm watching a football analyst lol I feel this is absolutely great for skateboarding giving it that mainstream feel getting people who don't skate watching skateboarding would sky rocket the sport i'm Canadian and most of us love hockey and have a favorite team but don't play the sport I would say 80 percent of Canadians who watch hockey don't play in fact most probably never even played a game I think if something of that nature happened to skateboarding the sport could become a mainstream sport skateboarding analyst give it that feel I think it could really catch on skateboarding is so huge wouldn't take much more to push into the the real mainstream
So, the thing with Gigger and Griffin is that they post videos of their tricks (not taking anything away from their ability) but they don’t have the consistency of the top 10 skaters in the list, they are not going to land 5 deathblows in a match to beat Luan or Joslin, this two just need to do their bag of tricks until either Gigger or Griffin fail. This is my take, I could be wrong though. Great content 👍🏽
I think the greatest part about this is how much talk is about Giger and Griffin. I also bet both have been practicing a lot to get all those tricks down. I'm looking forward to their battle.
Gigers pretty consistent, I think he just shit the bed a little first time. I dont like the guy, but I've seen enough games of him stomping other youtube kids to know he can do all the tricks within a try or two, its just a different story when you're suddenly in the berrics playing in front of a bunch of pros.
I had a GREAT idea for games of skate. I don't like how the game only ends on someone missing a trick always. So my idea was SCRAP the two tries on E, BUT if the defense misses his try, the trick setter has to land his finisher trick again to stomp out the win. If the setter misses the defense gets another chance to land it and continue the game. (BTW Great video I love this channel).
You should contact the skaters and sell them scouting reports. Someone like Luan Oliveira having his worst numbers are be variations of heels lips is useful
Crazy that Cookie, Ishod Wair are in the top 15 yet have win/loss ratios under 50%. Malto is high up there too yet has a W/L ratio in the 30s. These dudes are either really unlucky in getting consistently matched against the best skaters, or lacking in the clutch department. DD, if you're looking for a video topic, please dig in!
I agree that Shane is way way overdue. Considering how insanely good he played against PJ in batb3 (and still got skunked somehow), i just dont understand how he hasnt taken a gold home yet. Also, where the ef is Pj???
contest breakdowns are way better than the video part breakdowns imo. video parts are art so the breakdowns just dont make sense to me. maybe real street could be a cool middle ground though hmm
Hey man, what are you doing with all these data sets? Thought about sharing them on your patreon? I'm working with R & SQL & I would support you to do some analysis of my own.
Surely there's still some flaws in how this list is determined no? Am I crazy? Like I don't think anyone in their right mind would be able to argue that Chris Colbourn, having played in 5 BATB games total, never getting past round 2, belonged in the 11th spot and Sewa Kroetkov only cracks the 14 spot despite having won the entire tournament once and been to the finals in every instance of the competition he's competed in... (right?) Or that Dashawn Jordan and Alex Mizurov, having played 5 games combined between the two of them, belong in the top 20 above Mike Mo, who has also won the whole thing once and gotten to the third round at least two other times. I'll admit to not being a data guy so I'm not sure what the solution is here but it feels like the minimum sample size should've been higher or something? Or deeper bracket wins should be weighted more heavily? It's just wild to me that Will Fyock made the top 10 and Sewa didn't lol
Yep, number of games played should definitely be given more importance. For example, Koston and Moose have landed 92 different tricks each but Koston has done that over a far larger number of games. In addition, the caliber of an opponent should also be taken into account. Losing to the eventual winner is better than losing to someone who goes out the next round.
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I love watching Giger's channel. He tries difficult and unique tricks and shows the amount of work that he does to land a trick, without being too loud and obnoxious like other "youtube skaters". I hope he does on the current BATB.
if you redo this in the future, please add a defensive stat and a consistency of difficult tricks stat.
defensive stat: % tricks landed on defense
consistency of difficult tricks: % tricks that are under 75% consistency landed (or other arbitrary difficulty, 50% 33%?)
You did not just hate on my switch frontside flip, that one was proper! lmaooooo 😂😂... good work btw
Thanks!!
I was impressed with the switch FS flip tbh
Bro you're insane!
Your battle against chris chann was one of the best games of skate ever
@@dumbdata34 @10:21 where was the flick?
Proper fs flip muska style 🔥🔥
I clearly saw the flip. He was a clown for putting that
This content is almost too good to be true. I really appreciate all the work you put into these things! Skateboarding entertainment at its finest!
Thank you 🙏!!
Word!
This guy's work is ridiculously good... Keep dumbing it down for us
Much appreciated!!
seriously.. ive never put so much effort into anything in my entire life lol! .. this guy must be a accountant or something.
@@villiantwoor autistic, still up for debate but we love him!
@@villiantwo probably a data scientist/analyst.
I can't imagine the ammount of work you put into these. Amazing work and video, as always.
Thanks!!!
I still think Jerry Hsu is the goat because he never missed a trick and then had the balls to just disappear with no explanation
Jerry Hsu is the man 😎
I filmed PJ way back in the day in Philly whenever he came to town, before anyone knew who he was. Even when he missed the trick he was trying to film, he still rolled away on the bolts. He had everyone that was a local at Love heated. Unless you've seen him skate in person, you'll never fully understand just how good he is.
cool. are you still skate and film?
Thought he was from boston?
nice to see your channel finally gets the attention it deserves! Much success to you, really interesting videos!
Thank you!!
The more games a player participate in, the more his numbers will go down. Also, I think titles won and how a participant places should be factored in. Sewa always seems to be in finals night, and PJ, of course, has the most tournament wins.
Great vid as usual tho, enjoy watching you channel grow in popularity.
Much appreciated and good callouts!!
Totally agree How many finals night have we seen pj in before joslin even showed up
@@dubtgangstar Hes favoring certain statistics over others, but pj having basically 1000 tricks landed while the next closest are 637 and then 400 something is wild, and that most of his battles were in the 2000s or early 2010s. He also has 4 finals in a row and won 2 of them in a row, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013 he was in the finals everytime. Ill never forget, the 2010 one the winner got leaked and people were pretty suprised pj lost. P rodd said out of the hundreds of times hes played him in skate that was the only time hes ever beaten him lmao. I think you kind of had to watch that era of BATB to understand how above he was everyone in consistency and with just all tricks switch or regular, and technical tricks. Season 1 everyone wanted the finals to be Pj vs Mike mo but Pj somehow lost to benny fairfax lmao.
I used to love gifted hater bro but no ones better than dumb data in the skate community, after seeing him cry over u making the most light hearted joke ever I can't watch him no more, to hell with wut he thinks u made a sustainable RUclips channel on a topic I didn't even know I needed and I love it keep up the good work bro love the channel
Been watchin u for years but just now subbed. Love ur channel bro
Always a blessing when you post👍🏼
Appreciate it!!
This is crazy been following the work you have done could never even think of these categories and stats, solid work great videos
Much appreciated!
WOOOW extremely surprised mike mo didnt make top 10. I did some stats based on wins vs loss but also included how many batb the skater participated in and based on that pj ladd and mike mo were top 2. Amazing data you have! Just subscribed
your videos have brought in me a new found love for statistics
Diego Najera wins my own prize for best flat ground style. It literally looks effortless for him, and as though the board is stuck to his feet, even when it flips! Man, a lot of work must of went into this, really well done!
@DumbD kills the OCD metric category! Nice work as always sir 🙇🏾♂️
Starting the year with a banger! Thank you for all the great content and please never stop! 🙏
TY!!
This is the greatest skateboarding related RUclips channel
This is an awesome vid man thanks and keep it up
Thank you dude!!
Yw man thx for the reply
Very nice analysis, it also made me think of extra things you could have included: successful defensive lands on the letter T (clutch), head-to-head stats between all top 10 skaters and the number of tournament wins.
Ay brudda u know I was just messing with ya right? Skate nerds are the best and much needed in this world thanks for Makin these kind of videos!
PJ Ladd is like Skate Santa, if we are good he brings us some clips.
His WHL part literally shaped my early skating years. Nollie heel shifty anyone?
He nollie back heeled the MIT 8set in Alexi's part too 😳 if anyone's ever stood at the top, it's like a 13set
he inspired me to learn nollie heelflip/kickflip shiftys! i got incredibly consistent with nollie front heel shifty and it was such a fun trick to blast over euro gaps and other stuff.
The thoroughness of these videos have reached god mode. The numbers don’t lie, I would have guessed PJ Ladd would have come out on top. If you add the element of style, where how the tricks are done somehow could be calculated, I think we could all agree that Luan would take top spot.
dumb data is putting so much work into these videos. props to you!
Thanks!!
🎉🎉🎉 props to you my friend. Great work and awesome video
My favorite skate channel. Hands down.
Thanks!!
whoa how'd I stumble onto this jem of a channel. This is gonna blow up. Just got the Gigor bump
I'm with you, i've been watching Jonny's video's for a long time and i feel like he's the home team.
Yes I’ve been on the giger train for years, so hyped
Just a insane amount of work.
Thank you
holyshit, 22 minute video. Good work man!! I would be so psyched to see my own name in these videos if i was a pro skater. And pretty anxious at the same time lol.
Unbelievable yet amazing content this is years of work for sure man keeping that data
Amazing job! Thanks a lot for this analysis.
thats crazy how pjladd just comes to my park to skate flat, awesome man helped me with fakie fs 180 heel
I appreciate your work so much. As always, amazing job.
Thank you!
Good video idea: Top 10 worst calls from a referee in BATB history
I don't know why you do what you do, but don't stop doing it
Roger roger
respect for the time put into this video
Great video! Luan is just amazing!
this datas are getting on a another level!
Brooo I lost it when I saw you're rooting for Geiger!! I am too!
I'm gonna be devastated if he loses his first match AGAIN!!
Amazing! Did you consider using ELO ratings? I would be very curious to see the results if you took that route. ELO is used for chess rankings and 538 uses it for the historic NBA teams so I think it's a good system to consider.
Cody cepedas bath 7 run was fun as hell to watch unfold
My favorite channel on RUclips
How is Chris Cole having such a deep bag a surprise? He's a literal legend and icon, he stands among the greatest of skaters ever, even still at 40, crushing shit
Chris Cole in bloom!
Ooo are you the one posting stats on the deathblow videos?! Thank you for all you do!!!
This is amazing and I'm blown away by the data collection but for me it's 1. PJ 2. Luan 3. Joslin
Ayeee Im hyped I have that fakie impossible down well 🥂
Can we just appreciate how nice Rob’s 360 double flip was after the game ended?
This must have taken ages to put together! Great Job!
TY!!
Cody, Shane, Joslin, Daddy Shrimp, Giger, Sewa. A bunch of top dogs are still on the game, I'm hyped!
All the top 10 skaters are awesome, but in my opinion at Batb Luan is the one I enjoy more; his style, speed, pop,
cleanliness are the best. This might not emerge by your great work on the data, but in skateboarding there is a lot is not easy to capture in numbers ... the Art
Another fantastic video!
best believe this is how skating will start to get analyzed in like ten years on ESPN.
Crunched some numbers on Mike Mo pre-injury and he had a consistency rate of 81.83% which actually put him above P-Rod, Shane O'Neill, and Sewa. This was up until BATB 7 when he still had two working feet 😭
I love the # of unique tricks landed as a metric 👍👍
PJ Ladd vs Moose BATB6 is the best game i've ever seen.
You should do a video on the paper rock scissors battles
love your content
Much appreciated!!
It's crazy were skateboarding went to since I stopped back in the 90s I feel like I'm watching a football analyst lol I feel this is absolutely great for skateboarding giving it that mainstream feel getting people who don't skate watching skateboarding would sky rocket the sport i'm Canadian and most of us love hockey and have a favorite team but don't play the sport I would say 80 percent of Canadians who watch hockey don't play in fact most probably never even played a game I think if something of that nature happened to skateboarding the sport could become a mainstream sport skateboarding analyst give it that feel I think it could really catch on skateboarding is so huge wouldn't take much more to push into the the real mainstream
As Jonny would say “Real Dumb Data” 😜
So, the thing with Gigger and Griffin is that they post videos of their tricks (not taking anything away from their ability) but they don’t have the consistency of the top 10 skaters in the list, they are not going to land 5 deathblows in a match to beat Luan or Joslin, this two just need to do their bag of tricks until either Gigger or Griffin fail. This is my take, I could be wrong though. Great content 👍🏽
I think the greatest part about this is how much talk is about Giger and Griffin. I also bet both have been practicing a lot to get all those tricks down. I'm looking forward to their battle.
Gigers pretty consistent, I think he just shit the bed a little first time. I dont like the guy, but I've seen enough games of him stomping other youtube kids to know he can do all the tricks within a try or two, its just a different story when you're suddenly in the berrics playing in front of a bunch of pros.
@@loveandnapalm It's not possible to dislike Jonny Giger.
@@loveandnapalm I also wonder if doing a trick in a try or two is enough to get anywhere at the berrics. There are plenty of crazy consistent skaters.
Geiger is technically superb.
@Dumb Data How much time did it take you to collect all the data from all the BATB editions ? That's an insame amount of work !!!
I love this Channel Skateboarding And mathematics
This is great stuff. I think defence stats would've been interesting to add
Bruh I skate wit Cody and Eric at modern all the time. 😭 I’m just now figuring out how big they really are.
Sewa has to be on the Top 10 List !!
Barton’s frontside flip was literally fine
A lot of legends, including some of my favourite skaters ever, in the bottom 10 😆
Dyrdek lol
Amazing work!! Really appreciate these!! How long does it take to watch every battle and log every detail????
I don't know if a redo should count against someone statistically. if they make it they make it
I hope you will make a video on how much time does it take to do these :D
I had a GREAT idea for games of skate. I don't like how the game only ends on someone missing a trick always. So my idea was SCRAP the two tries on E, BUT if the defense misses his try, the trick setter has to land his finisher trick again to stomp out the win. If the setter misses the defense gets another chance to land it and continue the game. (BTW Great video I love this channel).
Maybe even keep two tries at E but setter still has to stomp out the ending to win.
Like ‘proving it’ for the W, I can get behind it
F A T A L I T Y
Would be cool to see W/L applied to elo or glicko ratings
You should contact the skaters and sell them scouting reports. Someone like Luan Oliveira having his worst numbers are be variations of heels lips is useful
Crazy that Cookie, Ishod Wair are in the top 15 yet have win/loss ratios under 50%. Malto is high up there too yet has a W/L ratio in the 30s. These dudes are either really unlucky in getting consistently matched against the best skaters, or lacking in the clutch department. DD, if you're looking for a video topic, please dig in!
Luan just dose tricks better then everyone really stomping most
we need you to do the seeding for the next BATB to ensure a good finals match up in the late stage of the tournament
Awsome video! There is a current BATB???
yes brother!!! you said NAjera!!! you are the best :P
I feel like your my cool math teacher
I agree that Shane is way way overdue. Considering how insanely good he played against PJ in batb3 (and still got skunked somehow), i just dont understand how he hasnt taken a gold home yet.
Also, where the ef is Pj???
Great video bro
Yo thank you!!
could you plz break down more street parts, love those
So underrated🔥
You should do trick dificulty from 1 to 5 to complement this data
Tip for anyone regarding impossibles/360 shuvs
Literally only depends wether guided by the back foot/front foot
🙌🙌🙌 thank you bro
3:37-3:40 was a fs flip hardflip style or as I call it "hard fs flip".
This was extremely thorough, but PJ is the GOAT
Jesus how did you get all the data? awesome video
My boy luan! He also pops his tricks higher and with more style than any other competitor lol he should get a metric for that
His next video will be calculating how many hours dumb data has watched battle of the berrics lol
contest breakdowns are way better than the video part breakdowns imo. video parts are art so the breakdowns just dont make sense to me. maybe real street could be a cool middle ground though hmm
Hey man, what are you doing with all these data sets? Thought about sharing them on your patreon? I'm working with R & SQL & I would support you to do some analysis of my own.
Leaving a second comment to boost that algorithm ! :D
Mmmmaaaaaalgorithm🤓
Jesus christ. The amount of data you must've gone through on this one is insane. ESPN needs to hire you.
Such a bummer that Joslin lost a couple weeks back. That was shocking to see him go out in the 2nd round
Surely there's still some flaws in how this list is determined no? Am I crazy?
Like I don't think anyone in their right mind would be able to argue that Chris Colbourn, having played in 5 BATB games total, never getting past round 2, belonged in the 11th spot and Sewa Kroetkov only cracks the 14 spot despite having won the entire tournament once and been to the finals in every instance of the competition he's competed in... (right?)
Or that Dashawn Jordan and Alex Mizurov, having played 5 games combined between the two of them, belong in the top 20 above Mike Mo, who has also won the whole thing once and gotten to the third round at least two other times.
I'll admit to not being a data guy so I'm not sure what the solution is here but it feels like the minimum sample size should've been higher or something? Or deeper bracket wins should be weighted more heavily?
It's just wild to me that Will Fyock made the top 10 and Sewa didn't lol
Well yeah there’s definitely gonna be flaws because when it comes down to it, it’s an opinion. I think he did a pretty good job overall though.
Yep, number of games played should definitely be given more importance. For example, Koston and Moose have landed 92 different tricks each but Koston has done that over a far larger number of games. In addition, the caliber of an opponent should also be taken into account. Losing to the eventual winner is better than losing to someone who goes out the next round.