Thank you all very much, I apologize for any confusion. The Blood Red Sky/Chthonic Cave Dream was mine that I had when I was seven or eight years old. Strangely enough, around the time of this first nightmare, I had woken up in the middle of the night and felt compelled to look out of my bedroom window where I briefly saw a creepy specter of a man walking down the street towards my house, carrying an old, orange-glowing lamp aloft. He instantly saw me/met my attention and although I knew he wasn't "real," it unnerved me so much that I flew back to my bed and hid under the covers. There were a lot of strange things starting to happen to me around that time of my life. I was actually completely unaware of my close call during the surgery as a two year old until about a year ago when I asked my mother about it. I'd recently had an experience where it was suggested (during my own meditation session) that I might've had an NDE as an infant/toddler. I had been searching for an explanation for a lifetime of strange out of body experiences, clairvoyance, etc, so learning about that really helped to make more sense of the nightmare. I just felt it was ironic that I would have a nightmare like that, and then go on to manifest this reality where I'm suffering from severe chronic illness (that left me bed-bound for a year with spinal cord leaks) and then to have this cesarean section experience, as well. It really says a lot for the raw power of the unconscious. And Joseph, you're right on the money about the artistic creative suppression, depression, etc. It's a situation I've been working on in therapy, so thank you for that validation. 🙏🏼
Thank you for the courage of sharing your dream in the first place, and then also for bringing this clarity. I read your comment while listening to them talking about your dream. It evoked many feelings in me, as a woman who's given birth eight times, and who is now estranged from three of those children, since divorcing their father. You're absolutely right that the subconscious will manifest that which we don't resolve.
One of the things I like about this channel is that you’re not afraid of pauses and silences. There’s time to absorb what’s being said. Especially in contrast to the format most channels go to in order to appeal to an audience with an ever diminishing attention span, and where 15sec videos are so rapid, you forget what was said 10 mins later.
What I really find interesting about your podcasts is how frequently they resonate precisely with questions or topics I am ruminating about at the moment. Coincidence or... synchronicity?
I have always had the same thing with psychology / self help podcasts. I think it's all the things we have been thinking about for so long finally given form in a podcast for us to enjoy!
Sn emergency C-section has to be upsetting - no matter how you accept its necessity, at the time it is a disruption of the accepted process. I wonder why Lisa felt it necessary to “shut down” any discussion of upset around an energy & reframing it as just fine. Perhaps it was the protective rising up of the Ego that in the face of the magnitude of Psyche. This is what makes these analyses so interesting: our own unconscious shows up in & exerts itself upon our analyses.
When I was 11 years old I became exhausted with the same nightmare, one night after the next and determined that I'd intervene by mentally stepping in and changing what was going on. I set this firmly in mind before sleeping and, when a terrifying witch appeared who habitually would tie me to a rope and dangle me from an attic window, I "willed" myself to fly away and leave her victimless. I flew from the building, out of the window into the countryside, and never looked back. The nightmare never happened again. . Later on I met a Swedish psychologist, Parviz MIlani, who'd written a book on this very method of ending nightmares. He was shocked to realise that we'd come to the same conclusion -- and that I'd been using this technique off my own bat since childhood.
Thanks TJL, great discussion and as always many associations to hold and feel into. Loving the nightmare topic and the whole podcast dedicated to dream analysis…. 😊
I find now I have “nightmare’ images but I don’t experience the fear, I am curious in the dream and I find facing the image and interacting the feeling changes. It has been freeing.
Not sure if you’ve touched on any of these subjects but wanted to mention them in case they could be touched on during future episodes. Dreams related to “alien abductions”. I’ve come across different people that had them but it’s not the usual “I was in my room and little gray men took me into a spaceship through my window”- although if you’d like to touch on those kind of dreams, that would be interesting too. It’s more along the lines of dreaming that you’re already in a place, and being shown things that are so out of what you know, there’s almost no way to even trace where your subconscious could have come up with it. There is no obvious alien figures or anything that’s out of a Sci Fi movie- everyone looks human but there’s elements that stand out from regular dreams. Something just feels different, between lucid dreaming and a memory. I’ve had these kinds of dreams through my life, and a couple of times it was with an added knowing that I had a child somewhere else that had been taken from me through surgical means- It sounds hilarious as I type it, but the first time I had such dream it took me a few days to get over the feeling of panic and longing. I don’t go the route of taking all of it literally or going too deep towards that route, but I also don’t feel like it is all symbolic. Another kind of dream that I’d love to hear a Jungian perspective on are dreams that are confirmed shortly after having them. For example I once dreamed that I was inside my mother’s womb and although I could not see anything, I could sense we were at the doctor’s office- suddenly I hear my mom asking the doctor about her “options” because she doesn’t want to have me. I feel panic like I’ve never felt before, and a rush to exit the womb. I think to myself “You don’t have to love me but let me be then, let me out, I’ll leave.” And I’m so scared of even hearing the doctor’s response, that I wake up. At the moment I thought maybe it was residue from the topic ofAbortion being on the news for what seems like every other month… and left it at that. But some weeks later, while talking with someone that does therapy based on “intuitive readings” for lack of a better term, He asked me if my mom wanted to have me. She had always insisted that she was happy when she found out that she was pregnant and that everything was good during the pregnancy - even though there were many aspects that didn’t add up. Anyway, the intuitive reader told me my mom had animosity towards me even before I was born- amongst other things. Few moments later as I am leaving the meeting with that person, my mom calls me and tells me that because of a book she’s reading, she thinks it’s important for me to know something, and she tells me that when she found out she was pregnant with me, she tried to have anAbortion, and that the doctor told her he wouldn’t do it, and she was too scared to look for “back alley” type places so she had me- I guess begrudgingly… lol So then I understood the dream weeks prior, not as a dream but a memory-? And I wonder why it came to the surface weeks before my mom finally admitted it. The timing was so peculiar, and I’ve had several dreams like that. Also although it is now considered controversial, if you ever want to go that route, it would be interesting to hear from the Jungian perspective about everything surroundingAbortion. Meaning, what repercussions can it have when a mother considers that, even if they end up not going through it. I work with a prolife organization that gives financial help to women that want to have their baby but feel they don’t have proper support so they’re consideringAbortion - Often they already have a date scheduled for the procedure and everything, but once we reach the fundraising goal, they decide to have their baby. I’ve always wondered on a psychological level what effect this could have on the kid, if any. Even though the mom is happy and feels supported, I imagine for at least a few weeks there was a strong feeling of just the opposite being communicated to the baby.
I love this podcast, thank you so much. The dreamer who was pushed to the wall by a “malevolent entity” gave the impression that was pushed aside like all the other objects, thus challenging her ego to see herself with an impersonal force greater than herself. Her current view of how powerful she might be in a given situation might need a higher perspective from the ceiling. I wonder if she had dream whenever she finds herself with forces greater than her understanding. Our growth can feel extremely impersonal and like we do not matter, especially when going difficult times. Our only choice, sometimes is to find a spiritual space to process the loss of our super hero powers.
Interested in enrolling in your Dream School. I always thought we are the best interpreters of our own dreams, because after all, it is our psyche and dreams are meant to be contemplated on by the dreamer. Would love to know your take on this as I am a prolific dreamer but I always translate and interpret my own dreams and how they relate to my life myself, as I trust myself to do this wholly and completely. What are the advantages for someone like me, with my particular perspective, to take your course? It sounds really cool and I'm thinking that perhaps for me, it would be a good tool for helping others, not necessarily myself? Thank you for your very inspiring videos, so grateful for you!
It is a good thing to contemplate and reflect on your own dreams. The issue is that we have blind spots to our own stuff and we may miss the message due to choosing a positive or more inflated understanding of the message. In reality dreams are always talking about what we are unconscious about, the aspects that our psyche wishes for us to make conscious. This type of integration is difficult to do on our own. After many years in jungian therapy, I am better able to interpret my own dreams, but I still have blind spots and need assistance from time to time.
That dream about the cat and the fact that she had a trip to Egypt and did research on the subject tells me that it has something to do with another lifetime or parallel lifetime and maybe she in fact was a person that sacrificed cats or animals and it's stored in her DNA and coming up for her to see and heal, and the way to heal would be to be loving and honor cats and animals in this lifetime.
Did anyone think of inquiring if the dreamer owned a cat in waking life? She travels alone, possibly leaving her cat(s) home alone? Possibly the guilt of leaving her pets home caused the dream of cooking her cat? You guys go way off into ridiculousness.
Okay folks. I love your Channel, but I absolutely hate this illustration. That monster is too scary. I don't want to see that! It looks like the creature from Alien and I don't watch those kind of movies anymore. Please! Dial back the "realism."
Thank you all very much, I apologize for any confusion. The Blood Red Sky/Chthonic Cave Dream was mine that I had when I was seven or eight years old.
Strangely enough, around the time of this first nightmare, I had woken up in the middle of the night and felt compelled to look out of my bedroom window where I briefly saw a creepy specter of a man walking down the street towards my house, carrying an old, orange-glowing lamp aloft. He instantly saw me/met my attention and although I knew he wasn't "real," it unnerved me so much that I flew back to my bed and hid under the covers. There were a lot of strange things starting to happen to me around that time of my life.
I was actually completely unaware of my close call during the surgery as a two year old until about a year ago when I asked my mother about it. I'd recently had an experience where it was suggested (during my own meditation session) that I might've had an NDE as an infant/toddler. I had been searching for an explanation for a lifetime of strange out of body experiences, clairvoyance, etc, so learning about that really helped to make more sense of the nightmare.
I just felt it was ironic that I would have a nightmare like that, and then go on to manifest this reality where I'm suffering from severe chronic illness (that left me bed-bound for a year with spinal cord leaks) and then to have this cesarean section experience, as well. It really says a lot for the raw power of the unconscious.
And Joseph, you're right on the money about the artistic creative suppression, depression, etc. It's a situation I've been working on in therapy, so thank you for that validation. 🙏🏼
Thank you for the courage of sharing your dream in the first place, and then also for bringing this clarity. I read your comment while listening to them talking about your dream. It evoked many feelings in me, as a woman who's given birth eight times, and who is now estranged from three of those children, since divorcing their father.
You're absolutely right that the subconscious will manifest that which we don't resolve.
thank you for this podcast, I had a nightmare last night that really shook me but I feel a bit better after hearing you all speak 😭
One of the things I like about this channel is that you’re not afraid of pauses and silences. There’s time to absorb what’s being said.
Especially in contrast to the format most channels go to in order to appeal to an audience with an ever diminishing attention span, and where 15sec videos are so rapid, you forget what was said 10 mins later.
My sentiments as well, it is refreshing to observe them not feel the need to fill empty space with chatter.
What I really find interesting about your podcasts is how frequently they resonate precisely with questions or topics I am ruminating about at the moment. Coincidence or... synchronicity?
I have always had the same thing with psychology / self help podcasts. I think it's all the things we have been thinking about for so long finally given form in a podcast for us to enjoy!
My first dream that I can ever remember was a nightmare..still remember it till date..
Sn emergency C-section has to be upsetting - no matter how you accept its necessity, at the time it is a disruption of the accepted process. I wonder why Lisa felt it necessary to “shut down” any discussion of upset around an energy & reframing it as just fine. Perhaps it was the protective rising up of the Ego that in the face of the magnitude of Psyche. This is what makes these analyses so interesting: our own unconscious shows up in & exerts itself upon our analyses.
When I was 11 years old I became exhausted with the same nightmare, one night after the next and determined that I'd intervene by mentally stepping in and changing what was going on. I set this firmly in mind before sleeping and, when a terrifying witch appeared who habitually would tie me to a rope and dangle me from an attic window, I "willed" myself to fly away and leave her victimless. I flew from the building, out of the window into the countryside, and never looked back. The nightmare never happened again. . Later on I met a Swedish psychologist, Parviz MIlani, who'd written a book on this very method of ending nightmares. He was shocked to realise that we'd come to the same conclusion -- and that I'd been using this technique off my own bat since childhood.
Thanks TJL, great discussion and as always many associations to hold and feel into. Loving the nightmare topic and the whole podcast dedicated to dream analysis…. 😊
Joseph, I always enjoy your commentary and way of seeing through things. You really see clearly. Thank you.
I appreciate that!
I find now I have “nightmare’ images but I don’t experience the fear, I am curious in the dream and I find facing the image and interacting the feeling changes. It has been freeing.
Not sure if you’ve touched on any of these subjects but wanted to mention them in case they could be touched on during future episodes.
Dreams related to “alien abductions”.
I’ve come across different people that had them but it’s not the usual “I was in my room and little gray men took me into a spaceship through my window”- although if you’d like to touch on those kind of dreams, that would be interesting too.
It’s more along the lines of dreaming that you’re already in a place, and being shown things that are so out of what you know, there’s almost no way to even trace where your subconscious could have come up with it.
There is no obvious alien figures or anything that’s out of a Sci Fi movie- everyone looks human but there’s elements that stand out from regular dreams.
Something just feels different, between lucid dreaming and a memory.
I’ve had these kinds of dreams through my life, and a couple of times it was with an added knowing that I had a child somewhere else that had been taken from me through surgical means- It sounds hilarious as I type it, but the first time I had such dream it took me a few days to get over the feeling of panic and longing.
I don’t go the route of taking all of it literally or going too deep towards that route, but I also don’t feel like it is all symbolic.
Another kind of dream that I’d love to hear a Jungian perspective on are dreams that are confirmed shortly after having them.
For example I once dreamed that I was inside my mother’s womb and although I could not see anything, I could sense we were at the doctor’s office- suddenly I hear my mom asking the doctor about her “options” because she doesn’t want to have me.
I feel panic like I’ve never felt before, and a rush to exit the womb.
I think to myself “You don’t have to love me but let me be then, let me out, I’ll leave.”
And I’m so scared of even hearing the doctor’s response, that I wake up.
At the moment I thought maybe it was residue from the topic ofAbortion being on the news for what seems like every other month… and left it at that.
But some weeks later, while talking with someone that does therapy based on “intuitive readings” for lack of a better term, He asked me if my mom wanted to have me.
She had always insisted that she was happy when she found out that she was pregnant and that everything was good during the pregnancy - even though there were many aspects that didn’t add up.
Anyway, the intuitive reader told me my mom had animosity towards me even before I was born- amongst other things.
Few moments later as I am leaving the meeting with that person, my mom calls me and tells me that because of a book she’s reading, she thinks it’s important for me to know something, and she tells me that when she found out she was pregnant with me, she tried to have anAbortion, and that the doctor told her he wouldn’t do it, and she was too scared to look for “back alley” type places so she had me- I guess begrudgingly… lol
So then I understood the dream weeks prior, not as a dream but a memory-? And I wonder why it came to the surface weeks before my mom finally admitted it.
The timing was so peculiar, and I’ve had several dreams like that.
Also although it is now considered controversial, if you ever want to go that route, it would be interesting to hear from the Jungian perspective about everything surroundingAbortion.
Meaning, what repercussions can it have when a mother considers that, even if they end up not going through it.
I work with a prolife organization that gives financial help to women that want to have their baby but feel they don’t have proper support so they’re consideringAbortion
- Often they already have a date scheduled for the procedure and everything, but once we reach the fundraising goal, they decide to have their baby.
I’ve always wondered on a psychological level what effect this could have on the kid, if any.
Even though the mom is happy and feels supported, I imagine for at least a few weeks there was a strong feeling of just the opposite being communicated to the baby.
I love this podcast, thank you so much. The dreamer who was pushed to the wall by a “malevolent entity” gave the impression that was pushed aside like all the other objects, thus challenging her ego to see herself with an impersonal force greater than herself. Her current view of how powerful she might be in a given situation might need a higher perspective from the ceiling. I wonder if she had dream whenever she finds herself with forces greater than her understanding. Our growth can feel extremely impersonal and like we do not matter, especially when going difficult times. Our only choice, sometimes is to find a spiritual space to process the loss of our super hero powers.
So much fun to listen to you three explore this topic. Thank you for this one.
In all my nightmares, I can't run away. I'm trapped in a bad situation (a maze, a prison, a set-up, a tsunami,...) I wonder if this is normal.
The tsunami dream: Her water broke.
Interested in enrolling in your Dream School. I always thought we are the best interpreters of our own dreams, because after all, it is our psyche and dreams are meant to be contemplated on by the dreamer. Would love to know your take on this as I am a prolific dreamer but I always translate and interpret my own dreams and how they relate to my life myself, as I trust myself to do this wholly and completely. What are the advantages for someone like me, with my particular perspective, to take your course? It sounds really cool and I'm thinking that perhaps for me, it would be a good tool for helping others, not necessarily myself? Thank you for your very inspiring videos, so grateful for you!
It is a good thing to contemplate and reflect on your own dreams. The issue is that we have blind spots to our own stuff and we may miss the message due to choosing a positive or more inflated understanding of the message. In reality dreams are always talking about what we are unconscious about, the aspects that our psyche wishes for us to make conscious. This type of integration is difficult to do on our own. After many years in jungian therapy, I am better able to interpret my own dreams, but I still have blind spots and need assistance from time to time.
You do dream analysis... but would you do art analysis?
52:35 great moment! 😂
That dream about the cat and the fact that she had a trip to Egypt and did research on the subject tells me that it has something to do with another lifetime or parallel lifetime and maybe she in fact was a person that sacrificed cats or animals and it's stored in her DNA and coming up for her to see and heal, and the way to heal would be to be loving and honor cats and animals in this lifetime.
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Did anyone think of inquiring if the dreamer owned a cat in waking life? She travels alone, possibly leaving her cat(s) home alone? Possibly the guilt of leaving her pets home caused the dream of cooking her cat? You guys go way off into ridiculousness.
Okay folks. I love your Channel, but I absolutely hate this illustration. That monster is too scary. I don't want to see that! It looks like the creature from Alien and I don't watch those kind of movies anymore. Please! Dial back the "realism."
Hm, personally I found the illustration very cool and intriguing