Student mindsets that need to be stopped
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- Опубликовано: 2 июл 2024
- I talk about student mindsets and habits that need to end since they can cause problems down the line
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Thank you. One of my professors discouraged students from taking influences from anime. I hate biased mindsets like that because it's limited. However, I had another professor that told us it's good to broaden our horizons. And he didn't discourage anime influence but told us to look at other styles from around the world.
My school had that attitude too, thought anime was all cheap and limited so it was heavily discouraged. 20 years later I was working with one of those instructors and he still had that attitude! As soon as that came out EVERYONE flooded him with the best anime scenes they could think of 😂
God same, to the point where I'd get points deducted from my GRADES for daring to go in an anime style.
@@greg6500 the crazy thing is there are animators from the united states or from other countries that worked on anime.
you're probably better at drawing Ariel than your teacher is at drawing Son Goku.
"If you're going to study and learn all this stuff, just put it to use in your OWN stuff! Jesus!"
That extra emotional emphasis was just what we all need right now.
Biggest things I need to overcome is overstudying and not tackling something because I’m “not ready”.
My creative work is the heart of it all- and yeah. Studying should be problem solving. Not the core of practice. Need to express myself more and create the things I want to create.
These are solid tips. I sometimes get stuck between focusing to much on "having an art style" and "only hardcore studying"
I gdaduated Cal Arts Character in 2005. Some studensts in Character would spend all their time figure drawing ,which was fine, but not all of them worked on anything else dealing with animation. A lot of students picked up predjudices from their teachers. A lot of these teachers had tough times in the industry and passed those negative times and stories to their students. I myself was in 1 st year Animation class when my animation teacher said that Disney is no longer doing 2d( this was 1 st quarter 2002) I told him I didnt care cause I just wanted to learn animation. He retorted by saying that 2 d animation was archaic.
I also used to suffer from these mind rotting things that I was told in art class and online.
The "right" way to do something is whatever works for you that allows you to produce the results you want consistently with minimal stress.
Anyone that tries to force a purist method is just gatekeeping.
Though I am self taught.. I had a few mentors who made my life a living hell because they wanted me to copy them to the letter. Their principle was to trace every animation from existing footage. First I felt it was time consuming and didn't let me assimilate the principles pretty well. I had to stay away from them and work on over 10 personal projects to understand how animation works. And I don't trace footage anymore but I always use references
the "okthat'sallbye" sign off gets me every time
Made me realize that I don’t really apply my studies, even though I spend so much time doing them 😢
Great video as always, would have loved to hear that back when I was at school !
(it's not against you, I know you didn't mean it that way) But if there's ONE TEENY TINY exception I wanted to add to the "Bad mouthing members and studios", it would be when you're experiencing toxic environment and malpractice during internships or at your first ever gig. Then I think it is reasonable to let the world know that the deal is. It could be scary to feel like you'll be missing out on opportunities because no one really told you if that's what you should deal with when working in the industry. My teachers at the time would tell us to "suck it up" when those things happen because it is normal in the industry to experience abuse of any sort, and that we would get blacklisted from studios as you'll be labeled as "too difficult to work with" (especially for women). Believe me when I say burnouts are not worth it, guys.
Of course, it doesn't work when the complaints come from retakes you don't agree with or that your ego has been hurt in a meaningless way like you said in your video, but from tangible, real abuse (excessif crunches, unpaid OTs, harassement, mental or s*Xual abuse) it MUST ! be known, even if you're still a student
Exactly my professor told me the same thing. Suck it up. Some of my professors gave awful advice. Years later I realized hey he was wrong about this particular point. But yeah, industry abuse is just abuse. That's why people are striking in Hollywood.
5:10 I wasted so much time (and paper) thinking everything had to be animated on ones (24 fps). I think anyone who learned animation through Richard William's "Animators Survival Kit" might have unknowingly inherited his obvious bias towards ones.
I hope all students first and foremost research what framerate is most appropriate for their tastes and the application of the animation. For the rapid action of a FPS you'll probably want to get your animations reading clearly at the highest frame rate possible, but for other purposes, I think it's much more subjective. Luckily lower frame rates have been celebrated lately so beginners might not feel they're being "lazy" for animating on twos or threes (or even fours+).
So true my prof forgot to mention you can drawn on things other than one so I had to draw like 2000 + frames on a project. feels bad man, burned me out 😢.
Fkd up my sense of timing too in some way.
I prefer to just fail big at something like a scene or an idea that i totally don't know how to do. Then I study what went wrong and start again directly applying what I've learnt and see practical results. I get bored easily otherwise. I never draw to improve my drawing skills. I do it if I feel like it, if it's fun. "Don't make things you love unpleasant" Einstein
i got hit with a couple of these. especially
- the first one about only studying instead of making actual stuff. and
- finding traditional cell animation superior to both digital and especially 3D as well as
- complaining about the modern industry but i do feel justified about this one considering my county dosent even have a 2D animation industry to begin with, which is what im complaining about.
I teach animation and it's great to hear your thoughts as a student, professional, and teacher. Great work!
BTW my training is in the traditional Disney animation style but "One-Punch Man" is one of my favorite shows.
Your talk about art discord servers really made me feel seen - I've been stuck on something, and that was my exact experience looking for help in servers.
I had an art advisor who wouldn’t let me take her Human Head course or anatomy course until after I took Drawing 2. By the time I finished and I was in the B average area she went on sabbatical and as far as I’ve been there at this particular college she never offered these classes again
Intentionally or not, I love how the tone of this video encourages to challenge everything that was said in it. A particular mix of passion and preaching. Yet I agree practically with everything. Not being a prick never hurt anyone regardless of occupation and maintaining critical thinking in the face of utmost of authorities may save one from many a mistake. Thank you for sharing!
OK, I am caught guilty of, not applying my study. I have been thinking of applying it. And the thought of not being ready also slows down my progress. So from now on I will force myself from my comfort zone even if my complete drawings are not that good. I also dream of becoming an animator so I really how to stop and advance to a very uncomfortable yet worth it journey.
Love seeing your baseball-bat wolf-man. I'm watching this because i have a *fuuuck* ton of work to compleate before the end of the day and my concentration is fried from the heat TT
I question people who study anatomy all day long, not as a whole but each part to a point where they know every muscle and bone by name - are you trying to learn to draw or are you trying to be a medical student?
How can you tell that someone is an animation student?
Because they won't shut up about it 🤣 (j/)
But yeah, as an illustrator scared off from animation, I can say while I've met a very talented bunch of people over the years, just about every trope you mentioned was something I got a lot from animators around me. It really is a skill, but animation can be a flip book drawn in biro in the corner of a ratty A4 pad, you know?
Interesting. I am not a student from a University. I simply learned through online watching and applying.
Great advice, thank you.
They do not need to be stopped
You need to be stopped
From my perspective the study fetishization stems from an experienced artist assuming that if all they ever did was studies they could be way better than they are, so they'll antagonize beginners and try and force them into giving up actually drawing anything and only doing studies instead.
Yeah. Like, studying is important, but it shouldn't be your core thing, y'know?
Reminds me of those people who tell artists that they can only break the rules of anatomy if they understand anatomy. I still heavily disagree with this, and although well-intentioned, it can instill the person still learning into feeling like their art isn't good enough unless they understand everything about anatomy. Sometimes their art "suffers" and loses the lose, fluid feeling their art used to have.
It's a poorly-worded advice when all you have to say is "learning anatomy may be beneficial to broaden your skillset".
Its most mistake people who are new to studying make, they dont know why they deemed the subject to be important, they dont take into account what their background is from like are their talking from a person working at the industry as a character designer?illustrator? it all ended up being dilluted as time goes on and the purpose is lost in between imo
OOof I needed to hear that. Thats embarassing
I love to animate on paper....but man do I wish I was as comfortable on my tablet as I am with a pencil and paper. I gotta put in the time.
"Doing all this studying? Put it to work!" Love you man 😙☺❤
Whenever we feel something intuitive like an emotion or an art process, we then try to logically justify how that came about. That is the issue with people who are good but cannot teach. By default, unless they tried otherwise, they’ll only be trying to guess how *someone* gets good at a specific thing.
Even worse, people usually don’t think about _what_ *the student* wants to get good at! “You want to get to Hawaii? I got you, get in this car, we’re driving to New York. Stop drawing anime.” ;)
“Find your own truth-” heck yea
great gto reference
The 2d vs 3d animation was very dumb looking back. I use both now in my workflow. 😅😅
- reu att
Haha I was DEFINITELY that guy who judged everything and knew how to fix it when I was brand new with no experience:D
Actually, this is so true,
structuring the peer conversation can help. Don't allow a highway conversation of subject, drifting in and out of ill defined subjects. If someone is firing off problems or mentally drifting, try to keep the car conversation to single subject content.
Nice onizuka face reference in the thumbnail
bro did you have to make me cry so hard
I wonder if the teacher mentioned at around 9:30 was John Kricfulsi.
I like your channel. You are amazing.
I just want to ask this question, hope you or anyone knows to answer.
How much time would it take to master or at least can making videos and animation? I know that depends on how dedicated the person is, but i just want to know the average, please?
Learn as you are doing. Like the anwser are already in the video, if ypu want to do it, do it. And take it as a learning experience. This is not a rpg where you can't use a skill unless you've leveled up enough.
I find myself thinking about the Dunning-Kruger effect a lot. Especially when I'm struggling. I think to myself gah I suck! I haven't learned anything. Someone wise once told me this effect isn't just there to emphasize how stupid someone is but that everyone should take it into account when thinking critically about things outside their expertise. I'd like to think I'll take your advice seriously but I know I'm going to be a little pompous sometimes. I'll try to forgive myself and hopefully others will too xD
What I wanna know is ...HOW DO YOU DRAW INBETWEENS WITH A CLEAN LINES FROM THE START WITHOUT A ROUGH?
should i take this advice with a grain of salt as well or no?
Yes! Always take advice with a grain of salt! Question everything! Even if you end up agreeing thinking things through will help you process it. And if you find it unhelpful. Welp hopefully you’ll find something else helpful!
You started using CSP wooow
Are you thinking of moving to Canada after the recent H-1B laws that passed? At least you have a new backup strategy if it ever gets rrrrufff ruff!!
What also eerks me are Animation enthusiast who are very toxic. A good example are the mods on sakugabooru. Those people need to touch grass.
0:45 so, if I wanted to learn the basics of perspective, form and anatomy to make animation wouldn't that be considered "fetishizing studying" I may need some more of an understanding of it.
My reply is late but this question bugged me enough that i needed to post a reply, if not for OP but for other people that may see this and have the same question. Fetishizing study is when you prioritize study over everything else and think you're better for it. Study is good but it should not be 100% of your effort especially in animation. ANIMATING should be where your effort goes to and study is only there to help you animate. For example i will use anatomy since you brought it up. Anatomy is important 100% but if you ONLY practice anatomy and now you know every muscle in the body but you actually wanted to be an animator then about youre animations will still suck but youll have good anatomy. Instead what you should do is practice the basics, USE IT in your animation and if its still not enough information then you go back for a little more.
It's not a fetish, it's a necessity caused by a string of failures indicating I lack understanding of basics. Somehow. I know every bit of information on a subject but fail to apply any of it. Someone would say "well, you know theory but lack practice". No sheet! Well that's what I'm doing. Since after years and years I still lack practice I guess I HAVE to. I'd love to never practice. I'd very much love to finally be ready to create. And only learn when I need a ref, take a quick glance at a photo, say "oh!" and from that moment on know how to draw this angle or this object or this effect. But reality implies I need about 40 times more practice just to stop losing skill. And to actually get somewhere I need 80 times more practice minimum. And that would be... 8 times 80... 640 hours a day. Yay. Let me have my useless 8, I guess. Unless you can tell me the secret of spending 1 hours on practice and actually being able to create for 7 hours. NOT "thinking what you're doing" one. I always think. I over-analyze. That's why it's so irritating. I understand 100%, I'm able to do 1%. I know how a shape is formed, I'm able to depict none of it. It's like taking fresh milk, taking chocolate, mixing it well together and getting roasted fish-and-chips. HOW? I dunno. But in case of art the only thing I can think of is practice. Maybe I do need to repeat the process of mixing 100 times to get it right. Maybe it's about the tiny details I'm missing. Maybe stirring should go counter-clockwise. Maybe the glass was dirty. Maybe a fly fell into it. I try and try and try and try and try... And nothing works. Well, give me a solution then. Stop practicing? Just accept my stupid level? Make the most humiliating amateur mistakes and not try to fix them since I can't? Because I'd love to, I'm honestly tired of redrawing one same line over and over and over till my paper is gray with unerasable lines. And I'm not even close. Oh, wait, I did it! This line was actually accidentally right. Too bad I have 0 idea why it worked so I can't repeat it. But no practice, no. I'm no fetishist after all.
I'll soon grow to hate art... And since I have nothing else bright in my life I'll just... you know. Go see Michael Jackson. Maybe he knows...
great gto reference