Una canción muy especial, diferente. La intérprete tiene una hermosa voz y una excelente técnica bucal que le permite generar notas graves y agudas en la misma canción manteniendo la armonía. La puesta en escena excelente y la letra muy emotiva. Ojalá llegue a la final, no creo q gane, no porque le falte calidad sino porque primara los intereses comerciales y el hecho de ser interpretada en una lengua eslava y provenir precisamente de Serbia, que no goza de la simpatía Europea no le será permitido alsarse con el primer lugar, aunque lo merecería por ser una canción diferente en medio de tanto ritmo eléctrico que enmarca esta versión de Eurovision 2024
Dragi Fernando sasvim si u pravu, zaista ! Vokal fantastičan tako romantičan sa predivnim tekstom. Govori o cvetu kome je sasvim dovoljno kap vode da se digne iz pepela. Reč je o cvetu koji ima istorijsku notu srpskog naroda. Što znači da uvek mora postojati nada i kad smo na dnu. Srpski narod je bespravno dobio skarletno slovo na grudima od strane zapada i znam da nam nebi dali visok plasman, ali svakako postoje ljudi koji su ljubitelji kvalitetne muzike, a emocija se prepoznaje na svim jezicima sveta. Eto i vi ste prepoznali kvalitet ove pesme i vokal Tea Dore. Hvala na tome beskrajno. Ljubav iz Srbije tebi i tvom narodu iz Srbije. 🇷🇸❤️💜🌸
Ramonda is a peace song. As I see it, Teya is actually singing a new version of "Where have all the flowers gone" and if you know that song, you will understand that Ramonda is an anti-war song. Ramonda is the flower which symbolises the end of WW1, and Teya is saying "Where have all Ramondas gone" as once did Marlene Dietrich.
🇷🇸 I'm glad you understand our song about Ramonda because it's a resurrection flower in the true sense - it hibernates and is born again when it rains lilike Phoenix 🇷🇸 Serbin soldiers who died in First and Second world wars 🏵 !!!! I wish everyone new a positive spiritual resurrection and peace throughout Europe and the world like Ramoda !!! Welcome in 🇷🇸 Serbia next year on Eurovision song contest !
💜ANALYSIS by a SERBIAN NATIVE SPEAKER (please read until the end): The song ‘Ramonda’ has a universal symbolism, which means it can be applied to a variety of situations in life. Even though it is originally written as a deeply personal song, a personal struggle that anyone can relate to, it can be perceived both as a patriotic song with a fragment of painful Serbian history and a song whose lyrics portray the great suffering of all the people around the world whose countries are devastated by wars and disasters. It is also infused with weltschmerz (= world pain), which is defined as a sense of deep sadness at the evils or perils of the world caused by comparing the actual state of the world with an idealised longing for things to be different. The reason I am bringing weltschmerz up is because not only are people from war-stricken countries suffering but also people from other countries witnessing it and not being able to do anything to stop it. They are also hopeless and probably anxious about the same thing possibly happening to them in the future because this world has become a dangerous place. No one feels safe. Therefore, the lyrics can be interpreted as the internal monologue of both ‘the wounded’ and those who are not wounded yet but are depressed by constant exposure to human suffering through media. MAIN POINTS OF THE ANALYSIS: 1) Zvezda Danica, pronounced as /danitsa/, is a feminine name personifying the morning star / Venus in Slavic mythology; it can often be found in Serbian lyric poetry. I transliterated it to Danitsa so that non-native speakers wouldn't pronounce it as /danika/. Danitsa has the word 'day' in its root, so it can be literally translated as ‘day star’. They also call it ‘zornjača’ which translates as ‘dawn star’. The North Star is a wrong translation. 2) In the phrase ‘lilac ramonda’, ‘lilac’ is an adjective meaning ‘pale purple colour’, not a noun meaning ‘a type of flower’. So, ramonda is a flower, and lilac is its colour. When it comes to the English translation of the lyrics, you can find my translation on my RUclips channel in the community tab. I used some archaic and poetic words since the original lyrics of the song are quite poetic as well. I really did my best, so please check it out. 3) The island and the surrounding sea at the beginning of the official video could be a reference to the Greek island of Vido and the Ionian sea in which over 5,000 Serbian soldiers were buried during World War I. A Serbian poet Milutin Bojić dedicated his poem 'Plava grobnica' (The Blue Tomb) to these soldiers. In this poem, Bojić expressed the tragic fate of the Serbian army that had passed through the snow-covered mountains of Montenegro and Albania to get to the Greek island of Corfu, where they found refuge and shelter. Corfu was their salvation. Vido was regarded as the island of death. The line ‘ko pod vodom tiho je sve’ (= everything is quiet like under the water) could be an allusion to the deathly silence of the ‘blue tomb’, the sea around Vido which was the last resting place of the brave Serbian soldiers. The reason why they were thrown into the sea is because there was not enough space on Vido and Corfu. Their corpses were weighted with rocks to prevent them from floating. 4) The title of this song references a flower called ‘Ramonda serbica’ in Latin, a species endemic to Serbia. The mountain called Rtanj is the home to this flower which was discovered in 1874 by a famous Serbian botanist Josif Pančić. Being a living fossil from the Tertiary period, it is capable of surviving extremely harsh conditions. Even if it is completely withered, just a few drops of water can revive it. Natalie's ramonda (natalijina ramonda), the flower of the same genus, is very similar to ‘Ramonda serbica’. It was named after Queen of Serbia Natalija Obrenović, and it is worn as an emblem on Armistice Day in Serbia. This flower, also known as the ‘phoenix flower’, symbolises the unprecedented suffering of the Serbian Army (during the Great Retreat) that managed to rise victoriously like a phoenix from the ashes that World War I, in which Serbia lost one third of its population, had left behind. I am also fascinated by the fact that Ramonda also grows on Kaymakchalan, the highest peak of the mountain range called the Voras mountains (or Nidže in Macedonian) located on the border between Macedonia and Greece. The Battle of Kaymakchalan was fought between Serbian and Bulgarian troops on the Salonika Front in 1916. This was the first and most significant victory of the Serbian army since the onset of their retreat from Serbia the year before. Like Ramonda, the Serbian army survived the agonies of the Great Retreat (better known as the Albanian Golgotha among the Serbian people), and even though they were, so to speak, an army of the dead given their very bad health, they eventually got their ‘drop of water’ on Corfu (also known as ‘the island of salvation’) and resurrected, highly motivated to return to their fatherland and Kaymakchalan was that ‘gate of freedom’ for them, ‘the peak of hope’. 5) This song can be interpreted in different ways due to the universal symbolism of ramonda as the beacon of hope for people going through tough times (wars, natural disasters, disease, psychological problems, heartbreaks, etc.). The repetition of the line ‘where have they evanesced, those lilac ramondas?’ (rhetorical question) at the end of each pre-chorus represents the feeling of powerlessness, hopelessness and despair. However, the outro of the song reminds us that hope springs eternal. Despite all the atrocities occurring in the world, it is in human nature to never lose hope. Disappearing lilac ramondas can also imply the people who are currently being wiped off the face of the earth and who are actually disappearing with no possibility of resurrection, unlike ramondas. However, you can never get rid of them all. There'll always remain that one ramonda to ‘tell the tale’. From a patriotic point of view, ramondas could be the Serbian soldiers who died in WWI. 6) Also, there's something magical and unexplainable about the melody of this song. It embodies the national spirit of the Serbian people from the 19th and the 20th century, the spirit that Stevan Stojanović Mokranjac, the most important composer of Serbian romanticism, wove into his music. This particular atmosphere of the melody can be sensed strongly only by listening to a piano cover. 7) Danitsa, the bright morning star, is the ONLY thing left for the lyrical subject (= anyone who identifies with the lyrics, not necessarily the author) to guide him through sadness and hopelessness. In other words, the only thing left for people going through great suffering is to wait for Danitsa to appear in the morning sky because only then will they know they survived to see another day. I perceive the song as a cry of people who are currently going through wars and great suffering. If we look at the text from that perspective, the first and the second verse describe their psychological state in the form of an internal monologue. They cannot sleep; they feel restless; they are traumatised; they are scared; every night seems like an eternity; they are lonely because it looks to them as if no one is coming to their rescue, and even if they scream, no one will hear them, as if they were underwater. Their cry is muffled. They know that normal life (= white glow) is still happening outside the borders of their countries, and that depresses them because it seems to them as if their suffering is never going to end while somewhere in the distance everything is teeming with life. 8) In the second pre-chorus, a kind of descending gradation can be noticed. In the first pre-chorus, the lyrical subject's glimmer of hope is the morning star while in the second pre-chorus not even that because now all the stars have fallen asleep, which indicates that the lyrical subject is losing hope throughout the song, but since we know that the night is darkest just before the dawn (which can be felt in the musical atmosphere of the silent break before the last chorus), what happens in the outro of the song is peripeteia, i.e. the plot twist when a single lilac ramonda eventually rises from the ashes and the tone of the song changes from depressive to optimistic. Ramonda is that light at the end of the tunnel. By the way, the lyrical subject summons Ramonda in every chorus by repeating its name, as if in the form of a mantra, hoping that it will resurrect, and it eventually does come to life. 9) The official video features the archetype of light vs darkness or good vs evil, which is suggested at the very beginning by quoting a verse from the Gospel of John. I assume that the light sphere from the video actually represents the morning star / the planet Venus and is significantly smaller compared to the amount of darkness that surrounds it in the video. It is what leads Teya Dora through the darkness (= hopelessness) until the break of dawn, the sunrise and the resurrection of ramonda (= hope) that we see at the end. Incidentally, the morning star is visible until sunrise, which is probably why they made it disappear into the rock just before the sun appears in the video, to illustrate the behaviour of this celestial body in a more imaginative way. Interestingly, the morning star / Venus is the brightest planet in the sky, so it's clear why it is depicted as the guiding star in the video. It may also represent Teya Dora's late father since she devoted this song to him too. In the video, Danitsa and Ramonda are actually two interconnected motifs because they both represent light, hope, birth, new beginnings. Ramonda is born from the light of Danitsa.
Thank you so much for all you've taught us, I've read it all. It's important to know the story behind the lyrics for those that don't speak serbian, like me. And I've entered your channel to search for the english translation, which also helped a lot to understand the meaning of the song!
really but really really how strong one pure emotion can be...quiet but big as a mountain. right here we can see that for a message about something beautiful and optimistic, we can express it quietly and it will be stronger than any strong demonstration and fight for a better tomorrow....we don't have to be aggressive to fight for a better tomorrow.. even a quiet but sincere word can break even the biggest obstacles...thank you for confirming with your reaction that there are us, who are present with heart and love in the hope and fight for a better world
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Una canción muy especial, diferente. La intérprete tiene una hermosa voz y una excelente técnica bucal que le permite generar notas graves y agudas en la misma canción manteniendo la armonía. La puesta en escena excelente y la letra muy emotiva. Ojalá llegue a la final, no creo q gane, no porque le falte calidad sino porque primara los intereses comerciales y el hecho de ser interpretada en una lengua eslava y provenir precisamente de Serbia, que no goza de la simpatía Europea no le será permitido alsarse con el primer lugar, aunque lo merecería por ser una canción diferente en medio de tanto ritmo eléctrico que enmarca esta versión de Eurovision 2024
Dragi Fernando sasvim si u pravu, zaista ! Vokal fantastičan tako romantičan sa predivnim tekstom. Govori o cvetu kome je sasvim dovoljno kap vode da se digne iz pepela. Reč je o cvetu koji ima istorijsku notu srpskog naroda. Što znači da uvek mora postojati nada i kad smo na dnu. Srpski narod je bespravno dobio skarletno slovo na grudima od strane zapada i znam da nam nebi dali visok plasman, ali svakako postoje ljudi koji su ljubitelji kvalitetne muzike, a emocija se prepoznaje na svim jezicima sveta. Eto i vi ste prepoznali kvalitet ove pesme i vokal Tea Dore. Hvala na tome beskrajno. Ljubav iz Srbije tebi i tvom narodu iz Srbije. 🇷🇸❤️💜🌸
Ramonda is a peace song. As I see it, Teya is actually singing a new version of "Where have all the flowers gone" and if you know that song, you will understand that Ramonda is an anti-war song. Ramonda is the flower which symbolises the end of WW1, and Teya is saying "Where have all Ramondas gone" as once did Marlene Dietrich.
Love from serbia ❤❤❤❤
Hvala, ljubav iz Srbije 🇷🇸❤️💜🌸🌸🌸🌸
Najbolja
Teya Dora and iolanda the best voices on ESC 24.💜
Raiven has a good vocal.
@@joebloggs396 Yes, but not unique
And Salman ( France)
🇷🇸 I'm glad you understand our song about Ramonda because it's a resurrection flower in the true sense - it hibernates and is born again when it rains lilike Phoenix
🇷🇸 Serbin soldiers who died in First and Second world wars 🏵 !!!!
I wish everyone new a positive spiritual resurrection and peace throughout Europe and the world like Ramoda !!!
Welcome in 🇷🇸 Serbia next year on Eurovision song contest !
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Best song! 💜🇷🇸
💜ANALYSIS by a SERBIAN NATIVE SPEAKER (please read until the end):
The song ‘Ramonda’ has a universal symbolism, which means it can be applied to a variety of situations in life. Even though it is originally written as a deeply personal song, a personal struggle that anyone can relate to, it can be perceived both as a patriotic song with a fragment of painful Serbian history and a song whose lyrics portray the great suffering of all the people around the world whose countries are devastated by wars and disasters. It is also infused with weltschmerz (= world pain), which is defined as a sense of deep sadness at the evils or perils of the world caused by comparing the actual state of the world with an idealised longing for things to be different.
The reason I am bringing weltschmerz up is because not only are people from war-stricken countries suffering but also people from other countries witnessing it and not being able to do anything to stop it. They are also hopeless and probably anxious about the same thing possibly happening to them in the future because this world has become a dangerous place. No one feels safe. Therefore, the lyrics can be interpreted as the internal monologue of both ‘the wounded’ and those who are not wounded yet but are depressed by constant exposure to human suffering through media.
MAIN POINTS OF THE ANALYSIS:
1) Zvezda Danica, pronounced as /danitsa/, is a feminine name personifying the morning star / Venus in Slavic mythology; it can often be found in Serbian lyric poetry. I transliterated it to Danitsa so that non-native speakers wouldn't pronounce it as /danika/. Danitsa has the word 'day' in its root, so it can be literally translated as ‘day star’. They also call it ‘zornjača’ which translates as ‘dawn star’. The North Star is a wrong translation.
2) In the phrase ‘lilac ramonda’, ‘lilac’ is an adjective meaning ‘pale purple colour’, not a noun meaning ‘a type of flower’. So, ramonda is a flower, and lilac is its colour. When it comes to the English translation of the lyrics, you can find my translation on my RUclips channel in the community tab. I used some archaic and poetic words since the original lyrics of the song are quite poetic as well. I really did my best, so please check it out.
3) The island and the surrounding sea at the beginning of the official video could be a reference to the Greek island of Vido and the Ionian sea in which over 5,000 Serbian soldiers were buried during World War I. A Serbian poet Milutin Bojić dedicated his poem 'Plava grobnica' (The Blue Tomb) to these soldiers. In this poem, Bojić expressed the tragic fate of the Serbian army that had passed through the snow-covered mountains of Montenegro and Albania to get to the Greek island of Corfu, where they found refuge and shelter. Corfu was their salvation. Vido was regarded as the island of death. The line ‘ko pod vodom tiho je sve’ (= everything is quiet like under the water) could be an allusion to the deathly silence of the ‘blue tomb’, the sea around Vido which was the last resting place of the brave Serbian soldiers. The reason why they were thrown into the sea is because there was not enough space on Vido and Corfu. Their corpses were weighted with rocks to prevent them from floating.
4) The title of this song references a flower called ‘Ramonda serbica’ in Latin, a species endemic to Serbia. The mountain called Rtanj is the home to this flower which was discovered in 1874 by a famous Serbian botanist Josif Pančić. Being a living fossil from the Tertiary period, it is capable of surviving extremely harsh conditions. Even if it is completely withered, just a few drops of water can revive it. Natalie's ramonda (natalijina ramonda), the flower of the same genus, is very similar to ‘Ramonda serbica’. It was named after Queen of Serbia Natalija Obrenović, and it is worn as an emblem on Armistice Day in Serbia. This flower, also known as the ‘phoenix flower’, symbolises the unprecedented suffering of the Serbian Army (during the Great Retreat) that managed to rise victoriously like a phoenix from the ashes that World War I, in which Serbia lost one third of its population, had left behind. I am also fascinated by the fact that Ramonda also grows on Kaymakchalan, the highest peak of the mountain range called the Voras mountains (or Nidže in Macedonian) located on the border between Macedonia and Greece. The Battle of Kaymakchalan was fought between Serbian and Bulgarian troops on the Salonika Front in 1916. This was the first and most significant victory of the Serbian army since the onset of their retreat from Serbia the year before. Like Ramonda, the Serbian army survived the agonies of the Great Retreat (better known as the Albanian Golgotha among the Serbian people), and even though they were, so to speak, an army of the dead given their very bad health, they eventually got their ‘drop of water’ on Corfu (also known as ‘the island of salvation’) and resurrected, highly motivated to return to their fatherland and Kaymakchalan was that ‘gate of freedom’ for them, ‘the peak of hope’.
5) This song can be interpreted in different ways due to the universal symbolism of ramonda as the beacon of hope for people going through tough times (wars, natural disasters, disease, psychological problems, heartbreaks, etc.). The repetition of the line ‘where have they evanesced, those lilac ramondas?’ (rhetorical question) at the end of each pre-chorus represents the feeling of powerlessness, hopelessness and despair. However, the outro of the song reminds us that hope springs eternal. Despite all the atrocities occurring in the world, it is in human nature to never lose hope. Disappearing lilac ramondas can also imply the people who are currently being wiped off the face of the earth and who are actually disappearing with no possibility of resurrection, unlike ramondas. However, you can never get rid of them all. There'll always remain that one ramonda to ‘tell the tale’. From a patriotic point of view, ramondas could be the Serbian soldiers who died in WWI.
6) Also, there's something magical and unexplainable about the melody of this song. It embodies the national spirit of the Serbian people from the 19th and the 20th century, the spirit that Stevan Stojanović Mokranjac, the most important composer of Serbian romanticism, wove into his music. This particular atmosphere of the melody can be sensed strongly only by listening to a piano cover.
7) Danitsa, the bright morning star, is the ONLY thing left for the lyrical subject (= anyone who identifies with the lyrics, not necessarily the author) to guide him through sadness and hopelessness. In other words, the only thing left for people going through great suffering is to wait for Danitsa to appear in the morning sky because only then will they know they survived to see another day. I perceive the song as a cry of people who are currently going through wars and great suffering. If we look at the text from that perspective, the first and the second verse describe their psychological state in the form of an internal monologue. They cannot sleep; they feel restless; they are traumatised; they are scared; every night seems like an eternity; they are lonely because it looks to them as if no one is coming to their rescue, and even if they scream, no one will hear them, as if they were underwater. Their cry is muffled. They know that normal life (= white glow) is still happening outside the borders of their countries, and that depresses them because it seems to them as if their suffering is never going to end while somewhere in the distance everything is teeming with life.
8) In the second pre-chorus, a kind of descending gradation can be noticed. In the first pre-chorus, the lyrical subject's glimmer of hope is the morning star while in the second pre-chorus not even that because now all the stars have fallen asleep, which indicates that the lyrical subject is losing hope throughout the song, but since we know that the night is darkest just before the dawn (which can be felt in the musical atmosphere of the silent break before the last chorus), what happens in the outro of the song is peripeteia, i.e. the plot twist when a single lilac ramonda eventually rises from the ashes and the tone of the song changes from depressive to optimistic. Ramonda is that light at the end of the tunnel. By the way, the lyrical subject summons Ramonda in every chorus by repeating its name, as if in the form of a mantra, hoping that it will resurrect, and it eventually does come to life.
9) The official video features the archetype of light vs darkness or good vs evil, which is suggested at the very beginning by quoting a verse from the Gospel of John. I assume that the light sphere from the video actually represents the morning star / the planet Venus and is significantly smaller compared to the amount of darkness that surrounds it in the video. It is what leads Teya Dora through the darkness (= hopelessness) until the break of dawn, the sunrise and the resurrection of ramonda (= hope) that we see at the end. Incidentally, the morning star is visible until sunrise, which is probably why they made it disappear into the rock just before the sun appears in the video, to illustrate the behaviour of this celestial body in a more imaginative way. Interestingly, the morning star / Venus is the brightest planet in the sky, so it's clear why it is depicted as the guiding star in the video. It may also represent Teya Dora's late father since she devoted this song to him too. In the video, Danitsa and Ramonda are actually two interconnected motifs because they both represent light, hope, birth, new beginnings. Ramonda is born from the light of Danitsa.
Thank you so much for all you've taught us, I've read it all. It's important to know the story behind the lyrics for those that don't speak serbian, like me. And I've entered your channel to search for the english translation, which also helped a lot to understand the meaning of the song!
@@eurovisiongreetings9404 It was my pleasure. 💜
really but really really how strong one pure emotion can be...quiet but big as a mountain. right here we can see that for a message about something beautiful and optimistic, we can express it quietly and it will be stronger than any strong demonstration and fight for a better tomorrow....we don't have to be aggressive to fight for a better tomorrow.. even a quiet but sincere word can break even the biggest obstacles...thank you for confirming with your reaction that there are us, who are present with heart and love in the hope and fight for a better world
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Thank you very much!
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For me it's not that similar to the Portuguese song, I feel the vocal is more emotive in Raymonda.
Nice to hear different opinions and tastes ☺
The climax wouldn’t be logical given the lyrical content. It would have just the opposite effect actually.
Perhaps!
Obrigado pela sua atenção "tuga" !
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