I have strait line raced on gravel a 1999 CR500 (recently rebuilt), 2006 KTM 525 EXC, 2002 XR600 with Honda's EXUP Kit (actual displacement 630cc), 2006 CRF450, and Nothing has beat me yet on my 2006 WR450F. My only modifications are the exhaust - Pro Circuit T4, carb rejetted for exhaust, emmisions removed, YZ throttle stop added, and High RPM ignition retarding removed. This bike has crazy power, and few 450's - if any, can put it to the ground so well!
For english people. This video is for fun nothing else. Serge , the bike pilot, says the bike is better because the road is just little turn left right left right... So generaly the bike has not to turn.
sounds easy. A car has more traction and stability of 4 tires, especially on roads with dirt and grits, so traction is more unpredictable for a biker. Turns are meaningless on a biker if the 1 of the wheel loses traction.
@@bennylava8717 A bike have no chance if you really turn. But on "chicane" (in french) , I mean flip-flap or jump (a car "can't" jump because it is very difficult to manage the high-low front-rear wheel ). A car can't make "motocross" but a moto-gp bike is "slow" on F1 tracks. Here , it was for fun and not touch the bike of course. In fact Serge was a very good pilot which was not really interested by race because it is so difficult. But he can (in the past) destroy any non professionnal pilot.
This video has been made by Moto Journal, french news paper. The pilot of the bike is named Serge Nuques (great rider, great humor. Also known as the Knight of Groland). Serge Nuques is well known by french bikers ;) I dont know the car driver ^^
yes, with the difference in inherent stability, particularly over rough surfaces and corners, I thought that the wrx would win. 1/ higher top speed. 2/ better cornerting speed in the rough. 3/ the Yamaha is only a 450 endro.... still, that guy can ride!
The YZF is the quicker bike, but the WR is geared taller, so its gonna own the YZ in top speed. All thats needed to be done to the WR so it can hang with the YZF is a camshaft change. A YZ cam can be easily found, but its better to get exhaust and intake cam's from Hotcams IMO.
Off the line almost any dirt bike or street bike will beat all but the world's fastest cars. The same can be said of cornering with proper tires. That rider was also pretty insane.
I've only been riding and racing bikes for the last 30 years, so what would I know. Having raced, tuned, and built both 250 two strokes and 450 4 strokes I must not know what I'm talking about. Personally I prefer a 2 stroke, but this is an environment where a 4 stroke 450 kills a 2 stroke 250. 4 stroke 450 = close to 50hp. 2 stroke 250=35-40hp. If you're not in tight corners or whipping freestyle tricks, who cares about that inertial force, it actually helps in this kind of riding.
Also just for your own information there are two strokes that run at 50,000 rpm's but they don't run on gasoline. Like a model airplane 2-stroke can run well above 50,000 to somewhere around 55,000 rpm's. I don't know exactly what they run for fuel but it is truely amazing they just don't explode!
I said "slide" not "drift." If you watch rally driving on dirt, they go sidesways through the turns becaue other wise they'd have to slow down to take the turn so the back wouldn't slide out. Some people call that driting but it's more or a powerslide to me. Same goes for asphalt driving. Sliding through turns would keep the momentum of the car going rather then braking, slowing the car, to make the turn. But of course it's not through every turn, just turns where it would apply.
Actually I just bought a 2009 wr450f from Escondido Cycle Center and the wr has the same power plant as the yzf but the wr has 2 different CDI mappings aka computer mappings it has both the wr and the yzf mappings, first thing thumper talk forums suggests you do is snip the grey wire in the CDI box which gives you the same mapping of the yzf then you take the air box baffle out also trim down the throttle stop all of which the yzf doesn't have to restrict it and the wr weighs 272 lb the yzf 238
A four-stroke puts the power to the ground in all conditions because of a large amount of torgue all the way from the lowest rpm's building torque and horsepower all the way through the rpm's to maximum horsepower at around 13,000 rpms depending on which four stroke. By the way a CR500 only revs to about 11,000 rpm's. A YZ450 will revs to about 14,500 rpm's before hitting the rev limiter. FYI if u didn't figure it out, I ment 10,000 rpm's on my previous posting for when a 500 drops off.
this is cool, that bike rider is amazing! the bike would have the wrx on pickup but to take crns that fast pulling wheelies is just talent plus. the wrx sounds sick as on the truck getting unloaded, im in awe of the skill of that rider though, he was playing behind that wrx at the end while the car was working hard...
True you are right, when it comes to power per cc a two stroke wins. And true that a two stroke fires at twice the rate per cycle. This is exactly why they basically are letting 4 strokes compete with twice the displacement. If everything were equal meaning rpm and fuel-to-air ratio a 125 two stroke would burn fuel at the same rate as a 250 four. So I basically think we are on the same page in our thoughts.
Ces commentaires de rosbiffs sont tous plus puérils les uns que les autres. 1-Le language, c'est du Français du midi. 2-A Alès ils aiment aussi les taureaux et le pastis 3-Monsieur Serge N. est définitivement une bête sur 2 roues Respect
So if we are to compare a 125 two stoke to a 125 four, sure the two stroke would win because due to the small displacement of the engines and minimal power of both the two stroke and four stroke wheel spin and traction is not an issue. Meaning you can keep the engine in the sweet spot of the power curve or band on the two stroke without excessive loss of traction. Two stroke wins
Like the rider explains, it is full of cornering, where the bike just goes straight. and it is not just a 450 enduro, it puts out 65hp... Last factor: the biker is Serge Nuques, something like a god on bikes, can ride almost anything! We have a road rally with bikes (Dark dog moto tour) and his latest fun idea was to take a 125cc from the 80s and try to beat some people... and did...
@Nosdmg It's also not a WRC spec car, it's a group N car. Which beleive it or not is not much more powerful than a stock STI. but either way a fun race to watch.
I have to say, I just think that bikes looks fucking awesome, especially the way it's ridden. There are comments about "let's see it vs a group n rally car".... well guess what? The bikes costs a fraction of that WRX, let alone a rally car. It's a more than fair comparison the way it is
@sonny0986 "Learn some better English" was not actually the complete sentence. My sentence, in complete, was, "Learn some better English if you're going to criticize its people ;)" Please quote me correctly if you're going to critique my choice of wording. I suppose you are referring to me using the word "some". I was simply stating that he needs just to learn some English, not be an English professor at a prestigious university. "No harm intended to you =)" uses poorer English than what I said.
It´s not a bullshit.. Some time ago Stefan Everts has beat Sebastien Loeb in similar battle. The road was even wet and nobody has expected that but it happend ;)
I have been to France, and I am convinced that the French are much better riders (on street) than Americans. The bikes are like three to every car! I can hear American street riders getting pissed.....
A YZ490 is a two stroke and does not have the torgue or flat power curve of a modern day 4 stroke such as the YZ450F or CRF450. Yes it is true in terms of peak horsepower a two stroke wins however, in terms of useable power it looses. The peak power on a two stroke last for only a few hundred rpms. Prior to peak and right after peak power it dies. A four stroke has much more power before and after it's peak horsepower rpm's then a two stroke enabling the tire to grab not spin. 4-stroke wins
model engines in airplanes and cars and some boats run on nitro fuel. 18% oil(castor or.and synthentic..depends on maker). can have a nitro rating from 5% up to well..whatever u wish. average is around the 15-20% mark. with the rest being methanol. 15% nitro fuel=$12.50per litre 20% nitro fuel=$14 per litre. expensive stuff.
@WhiteWGNWRX Yup. And i think, they've should've hired Finnish people, to do this. I mean, they're the real rally/dirt masters. For example, Jari-Matti-Latvala, or Mikko Hirvonen. Or maybe even Kimi Raikkonen?
Now compare say a 450 four stoke to say a 500 two stroke. Both have massive peak power. A Honda CR500 around 58 Horses. A 450 four around 51 Horsepower. Both can roll on wheelie in top gear. But peak power is all a CR500 has anything less then 8000 rpm and more than 1000 and in drops off severely. Putting that power to the ground without the rear wheel excessively spinning is near impossible on anything other than asphault. This is where and how a four stroke shines and wins.
@koobsw Rally cars should be much faster in the straights with a much higher top speed, the big advantage is the bike takes off and stops faster, cornering they should be about the same but the bike can brake later and then get up to speed faster out of the corners.
Hmm well I wasn't really thinking about pure dirt, I guess maybe that's tougher...but personally I think I'd have more difficulty on a supermoto than a supersport. Just from my perspective...
@kfreakinc is very possible...they are french...anyways cool car! shame the insurance for the WRX or STI is going up even more! making it very difficult to live with it if you are under 30
I'm sure it's a bad idea to jump into this arguement, but, it's so easy. A general French view towards Americans is one of stereotype. Americans also maintain a stereotypical view of the French. Remember, this is a general statement of viewpoints. However, to hold and express such a viewpoint against another person is to prove you exist within that stereotype; be it American or French.
Who said that Honda is a bike? I mean some kind of 6XX and above, like an XT, an LC, or a Highland. This last one is quite much better. Can imagine it climbing vertically. :)
why you no watch video before commenting? A gp bike would of been beaten badly by the WRF on this course because of the way it is, very tight, agile turns. The course is too tight for the subaru to really come into it's own, if it was wider the subaru would of stood a much better chance probably even beating the bike as there is more room for better lines.
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that left/right turn on whellie its just beautiful
Can't get enough of that corner wheelie...magic.
The language of braap is universal, no translation needed.
I have strait line raced on gravel a 1999 CR500 (recently rebuilt), 2006 KTM 525 EXC, 2002 XR600 with Honda's EXUP Kit (actual displacement 630cc), 2006 CRF450, and Nothing has beat me yet on my 2006 WR450F. My only modifications are the exhaust - Pro Circuit T4, carb rejetted for exhaust, emmisions removed, YZ throttle stop added, and High RPM ignition retarding removed. This bike has crazy power, and few 450's - if any, can put it to the ground so well!
guy in the subi: "i got this shit"
guy on the bike: "four wheels? i only need one: (pops wheelie)
For english people.
This video is for fun nothing else.
Serge , the bike pilot, says the bike is better because the road is just little turn left right left right...
So generaly the bike has not to turn.
Lmao thanks
sounds easy. A car has more traction and stability of 4 tires, especially on roads with dirt and grits, so traction is more unpredictable for a biker. Turns are meaningless on a biker if the 1 of the wheel loses traction.
@@bennylava8717 A bike have no chance if you really turn.
But on "chicane" (in french) , I mean flip-flap or jump (a car "can't" jump because it is very difficult to manage the high-low front-rear wheel ).
A car can't make "motocross" but a moto-gp bike is "slow" on F1 tracks.
Here , it was for fun and not touch the bike of course.
In fact Serge was a very good pilot which was not really interested by race because it is so difficult. But he can (in the past) destroy any non professionnal pilot.
That supermoto rider is insane. Wow. Amazing skills. The driver is ok. He has skills too but nothing close to the supermoto rider.
What kind of skills does that rider have?lol
This video has been made by Moto Journal, french news paper.
The pilot of the bike is named Serge Nuques (great rider, great humor. Also known as the Knight of Groland).
Serge Nuques is well known by french bikers ;)
I dont know the car driver ^^
Milan Stepanovic amaze skills bro, amaze
lol.. even kids do that lol stfu hahahah
Milan Stepanovic Do you ride like that? That's what matters. Not kids. Not the rider. Do you even ride a scooter?
yes, with the difference in inherent stability, particularly over rough surfaces and corners, I thought that the wrx would win.
1/ higher top speed.
2/ better cornerting speed in the rough.
3/ the Yamaha is only a 450 endro....
still, that guy can ride!
I've out ridden many cars, corners and straights but on this sort of track didn't expect the bike to win, gravel, uneven surface etc. Surprising!
The YZF is the quicker bike, but the WR is geared taller, so its gonna own the YZ in top speed. All thats needed to be done to the WR so it can hang with the YZF is a camshaft change. A YZ cam can be easily found, but its better to get exhaust and intake cam's from Hotcams IMO.
Off the line almost any dirt bike or street bike will beat all but the world's fastest cars. The same can be said of cornering with proper tires. That rider was also pretty insane.
I've only been riding and racing bikes for the last 30 years, so what would I know. Having raced, tuned, and built both 250 two strokes and 450 4 strokes I must not know what I'm talking about. Personally I prefer a 2 stroke, but this is an environment where a 4 stroke 450 kills a 2 stroke 250. 4 stroke 450 = close to 50hp. 2 stroke 250=35-40hp. If you're not in tight corners or whipping freestyle tricks, who cares about that inertial force, it actually helps in this kind of riding.
I love that bike! The sound from the boxer engine in the subaru is sick!!
Holy sh*t! That rider is insane. Love his style. I wonder what he could do with a stronger bike...
There’s nothing stronger than a yamaha wrx
holy shit! that biker was flying on the rode!
both nice drivers
Also just for your own information there are two strokes that run at 50,000 rpm's but they don't run on gasoline. Like a model airplane 2-stroke can run well above 50,000 to somewhere around 55,000 rpm's. I don't know exactly what they run for fuel but it is truely amazing they just don't explode!
taking bends the way this guy do on yamaha wow i mean one wheel wow man great run :)
That looks like a hell of a lot of fun. Nice matchup.
Genial cette video, et les pilotes sont pas mal du tout surtout que le circuit est sacrément étroit...Merci pour ce bon moment.
I said "slide" not "drift."
If you watch rally driving on dirt, they go sidesways through the turns becaue other wise they'd have to slow down to take the turn so the back wouldn't slide out. Some people call that driting but it's more or a powerslide to me. Same goes for asphalt driving. Sliding through turns would keep the momentum of the car going rather then braking, slowing the car, to make the turn. But of course it's not through every turn, just turns where it would apply.
Wow, 3:04 gave my goose bumps. That was sweet!
Actually I just bought a 2009 wr450f from Escondido Cycle Center and the wr has the same power plant as the yzf but the wr has 2 different CDI mappings aka computer mappings it has both the wr and the yzf mappings, first thing thumper talk forums suggests you do is snip the grey wire in the CDI box which gives you the same mapping of the yzf then you take the air box baffle out also trim down the throttle stop all of which the yzf doesn't have to restrict it and the wr weighs 272 lb the yzf 238
A four-stroke puts the power to the ground in all conditions because of a large amount of torgue all the way from the lowest rpm's building torque and horsepower all the way through the rpm's to maximum horsepower at around 13,000 rpms depending on which four stroke. By the way a CR500 only revs to about 11,000 rpm's. A YZ450 will revs to about 14,500 rpm's before hitting the rev limiter. FYI if u didn't figure it out, I ment 10,000 rpm's on my previous posting for when a 500 drops off.
That is a very nice Impreza - I guess they needed a "little" more then stock abilities against a great bike rider. Nice video, enjoyable.
Zajebisty kolo na yamaha WRF 450 dobrze wymiata
this is cool, that bike rider is amazing! the bike would have the wrx on pickup but to take crns that fast pulling wheelies is just talent plus. the wrx sounds sick as on the truck getting unloaded, im in awe of the skill of that rider though, he was playing behind that wrx at the end while the car was working hard...
I have a WRF 450 with a high compression piston and have had the valve timings done. It is quicker than a YZ.
True you are right, when it comes to power per cc a two stroke wins. And true that a two stroke fires at twice the rate per cycle. This is exactly why they basically are letting 4 strokes compete with twice the displacement. If everything were equal meaning rpm and fuel-to-air ratio a 125 two stroke would burn fuel at the same rate as a 250 four. So I basically think we are on the same page in our thoughts.
Motor-cyclist is a genius and the Subaru driver is merely very good, that's what won this test.
Ces commentaires de rosbiffs sont tous plus puérils les uns que les autres.
1-Le language, c'est du Français du midi.
2-A Alès ils aiment aussi les taureaux et le pastis
3-Monsieur Serge N. est définitivement une bête sur 2 roues
Respect
So if we are to compare a 125 two stoke to a 125 four, sure the two stroke would win because due to the small displacement of the engines and minimal power of both the two stroke and four stroke wheel spin and traction is not an issue. Meaning you can keep the engine in the sweet spot of the power curve or band on the two stroke without excessive loss of traction. Two stroke wins
that was sick as balls when he did the wheelie thru the turn
Like the rider explains, it is full of cornering, where the bike just goes straight. and it is not just a 450 enduro, it puts out 65hp... Last factor: the biker is Serge Nuques, something like a god on bikes, can ride almost anything! We have a road rally with bikes (Dark dog moto tour) and his latest fun idea was to take a 125cc from the 80s and try to beat some people... and did...
Rally WRX vs 450SM is the best video ever! Thanks for the share!
Christ they can both drive.... and both skills are ridiculously different.
HOOO mais qu'est-ce qu'il leur a mit aux caisseux!!!!
Vraiment trop fort la vidéo!
i still prefer the auto.
More versatility in a car.
More options in a car.
More Safety with a car.
Je sais pas pourquoi, mais quelque chose me dit que le chevalier de Groland adore prendre le dernier virage en wheeling lol
The price difference! 13K for the bike or 150K for the car? And the bike still beat it. And while doing wheelies and endos! Can't argue with that.
@Nosdmg It's also not a WRC spec car, it's a group N car. Which beleive it or not is not much more powerful than a stock STI. but either way a fun race to watch.
what exhaust is on the subaru? are they straight pipes?
3:03 the bikes is ridden in an awesome way.... i drive a subaru but the bike just wicked here .
Toujours aussi impressionnant ce Serge Nuques !
and weighs alot less? so it be expected that a modded bike would keep up?
what sprockets u got on wr? what mods?
OH no way, nice bloody wheelie around the bend, man hes good.
Super moto man gifted
timmy duffy yup, multi-task as a rider and navigator.
Yer They Can, My mate Got a 2007 WR450F, all He's done is Gotten a Better Pipe and it Allready Beats the YZ450F's With no Engine Mods..
I have to say, I just think that bikes looks fucking awesome, especially the way it's ridden. There are comments about "let's see it vs a group n rally car".... well guess what? The bikes costs a fraction of that WRX, let alone a rally car. It's a more than fair comparison the way it is
La roue arrière dans le S, la claaaasse !
@sonny0986 "Learn some better English" was not actually the complete sentence. My sentence, in complete, was, "Learn some better English if you're going to criticize its people ;)" Please quote me correctly if you're going to critique my choice of wording. I suppose you are referring to me using the word "some". I was simply stating that he needs just to learn some English, not be an English professor at a prestigious university. "No harm intended to you =)" uses poorer English than what I said.
It´s not a bullshit.. Some time ago Stefan Everts has beat Sebastien Loeb in similar battle. The road was even wet and nobody has expected that but it happend ;)
I have been to France, and I am convinced that the French are much better riders (on street) than Americans. The bikes are like three to every car! I can hear American street riders getting pissed.....
A YZ490 is a two stroke and does not have the torgue or flat power curve of a modern day 4 stroke such as the YZ450F or CRF450. Yes it is true in terms of peak horsepower a two stroke wins however, in terms of useable power it looses. The peak power on a two stroke last for only a few hundred rpms. Prior to peak and right after peak power it dies. A four stroke has much more power before and after it's peak horsepower rpm's then a two stroke enabling the tire to grab not spin. 4-stroke wins
Supermoto riding requires the most skill of any motorcycle type haha. It's not the fastest, but the style requires the most skill.
no captions -.-
wow, i would be scared to ride a motorcycle like that guy ! thats some serious skill , to be going that fast around curves and such =X
model engines in airplanes and cars and some boats run on nitro fuel.
18% oil(castor or.and synthentic..depends on maker).
can have a nitro rating from 5% up to well..whatever u wish. average is around the 15-20% mark. with the rest being methanol.
15% nitro fuel=$12.50per litre
20% nitro fuel=$14 per litre.
expensive stuff.
Outstanding amazing control on the wheely for the biker, but I prefer cars myself!
I really didn't expect bike to win. Nice battle though
the band at 2:06 sounds like cake, anyone else agree?
The ammount of skill in this video is too damn high!
Im picking myself up one of those 450's at the end of the year. Oh, Yeah!
Ça, c'est de la moto !! Il assure le mec.
can you make a a impreza wrx go over 300? pls real answers it's important
@WhiteWGNWRX Yup. And i think, they've should've hired Finnish people, to do this.
I mean, they're the real rally/dirt masters. For example, Jari-Matti-Latvala, or Mikko Hirvonen. Or maybe even Kimi Raikkonen?
0:21 "All men in France have very small oui oui."
Bikers goin at it hard
Now compare say a 450 four stoke to say a 500 two stroke. Both have massive peak power. A Honda CR500 around 58 Horses. A 450 four around 51 Horsepower. Both can roll on wheelie in top gear. But peak power is all a CR500 has anything less then 8000 rpm and more than 1000 and in drops off severely. Putting that power to the ground without the rear wheel excessively spinning is near impossible on anything other than asphault. This is where and how a four stroke shines and wins.
Man that biker has some balls!
@RoscoSnipes Judging by the sound, that's not the 280 hp stock setup. To beat that on the twisties, even the old man knows it's hard!
@koobsw Rally cars should be much faster in the straights with a much higher top speed, the big advantage is the bike takes off and stops faster, cornering they should be about the same but the bike can brake later and then get up to speed faster out of the corners.
Hmm well I wasn't really thinking about pure dirt, I guess maybe that's tougher...but personally I think I'd have more difficulty on a supermoto than a supersport. Just from my perspective...
mdr qui peut détrôner serge nuques sérieux mdr il est trop fort se mec ! vive moto journal !
Ça s'est déroulé au circuit d'Alès!!!
La Subaru Impreza est une version Groupe N?
tight turns on concrete, the bike has an edge on this course, plus the driver of the Subaru could have done better
trés bonne video,la supermotard est et sont pilote arache tout.
(le circuit est moin adapter a la voiture je pense...)
that was nuts at 3:06!
I want that WRF 450, but street legal.
@kfreakinc is very possible...they are french...anyways cool car! shame the insurance for the WRX or STI is going up even more! making it very difficult to live with it if you are under 30
I'm sure it's a bad idea to jump into this arguement, but, it's so easy. A general French view towards Americans is one of stereotype. Americans also maintain a stereotypical view of the French. Remember, this is a general statement of viewpoints. However, to hold and express such a viewpoint against another person is to prove you exist within that stereotype; be it American or French.
Il fallait Jean Ragnoti pour faire un temps. Vous avez mis une enclume au volant de la Sub.ahahaha.
who's the guy with the bike?
$8k Supermoto out runnin' a $100k rally car. Supermoto FTW
@onlypresto The .FR bit bottom right of the video kind of gives it away...
Who said that Honda is a bike?
I mean some kind of 6XX and above, like an XT, an LC, or a Highland. This last one is quite much better. Can imagine it climbing vertically. :)
Well, friend, that's a supermoto. And they actually race that for the test about which one's performance is better. Think before arguing.
trop du lourd la vidéo !!!!
who won the time race???? i dont understand what they are saying :(
why you no watch video before commenting?
A gp bike would of been beaten badly by the WRF on this course because of the way it is, very tight, agile turns.
The course is too tight for the subaru to really come into it's own, if it was wider the subaru would of stood a much better chance probably even beating the bike as there is more room for better lines.
man that fucking dirt bike guy realy knows how to drive
@fall3n50 It's the GDB, so between 03 and 05 WRX
Supermotard at its finest! The WR450F one fine machine...
on any terrain? no way man. do you just sit at home and watch these vehicles on your t.v? or do you drive them?
3:02 thats crazy dude... respect
Thanks for digging this one up, RUclips.
Yep. He is pretty cool. Like if that bike was a part of his body...
A little hard for a WRC car to drive on single track trail. Also if the drive on a motocross track it will probably end with them being upside down.
what the music starts from 1:49 ?
@northernlights664 Yeah. One champion. In total Finland has over 30 championships in WRC history.