Explaining the Difference Between a Conventional and Addressable Fire Alarm Control Panel
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- Опубликовано: 9 фев 2019
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Thank you for this! I’m planning on becoming a fire alarm technician after I graduate in 2 years and I’ve never understood the differences between conventional and addressable.
Amazing! I’ve been waiting for a video like this for a while! Thank you!
Thank you for the video. I'm graduating in 2 weeks & leaning towards the fire alarm/security field. I haven't worked on any of this since passing the course about 2 months ago, so I'm searching for informative videos like this one. Good stuff!
I’m green in the Alarm and Security industry, just started 6 months ago! You’ve gained my sub sir 👌🏽
Just watched this video and it really explained the difference very well. I'm very well satisfied and well understood. Thanks
very very good explanation!! he really knows what a non technical individual wants to know
wild, never knew there was a hobby scene around fire alarms.
in the real world, we call these things "a colossal pain in the ass, money pit, and generally something we hate dealing with". =)
I was just thinking that too!
Maybe try being a better engineer then.
Great video! I'm an electrical apprentice and have been working with fire alarm systems for about a year
Like 01/02 electrician or 06?
This video is very helpful, I never knew about conventional and addressable panels in detail until I watched this video and now I know what it is
Hello
Same
Amazing video sir. Hope to hear and watch more video about fdas from you 👍👍👍
Needed to refresh into very well explained
Thanks so much sir ..
I've been doing inspections for nearly 2 years now and am only just learning about addressable systems; they're pretty rare for the size of building that I tend to inspect I guess. Just doing quals to be certified and not use my boss' certification. Thanks for the video.
I'm about to start a security job at a Samsung facility and it has the most balls to the wall alarm system I've ever seen.
Thanks for the video!
Thank you for this video 🙏
Great video 😀👍👍
Great video
thank you for this,, may boss would be grateful that ive learn from it.
Very informative!
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Awesome bro thanks!!!
This is a great way to learn!
Thank you so much Sir
AFP200. Love it!
Thanks for this video man much appreciated and you got clear thoughts about the difference between addressable and conventional fire alarm panels.
Im a newbie in this industry by the way hehehe...
@@ChrisTopher284765490 6:26: "The module will only work from this manufacturer" Sounds like the McDonalds Ice Cream Machine issue which there is an entire documentary on how it works vs other fast food places that even uses the same company! Mcdonalds is locked into a particular contract they have to hire 'The man'.
Thanks for this vedio..
I had an opportunity years ago to get into the security/fire alarm field but chose HVAC instead.
I am currently installing my first conventional fire alarm system in a business that we are trying to open. It's not too bad, just tedious. CAD drawings help, (if you can see past the mistakes that were made).
Word to anyone installing a FACP/ system...you should have some sort of working knowledge of electricity. These systems require a dedicated circuit and also pay close attention to how the CAD drawings (if available) have everything connected. The architect will usually draw it per code or like your governing jurisdiction requires. (Usually per code with something "a little extra" thrown in...lol).
There is big money in the Fire alarm business, and most of it is labor. When people come along with the ability to perform their own labor, that becomes a game changer.
See, big companies don't want to hear that you are installing your own equipment. Oh no no no...lol
That's when the games begin
I am new to this. our company wants to install zeta smart connect pannell with lots of addressable sounders, Call points and (combined smoke & heat detectors w/built in isolator, model. MKII-AOHI).
do we have to buy a seperate (isolator base) for each detector or just go with the common base which comes with the detector?
That's really interesting. Regional (or local) versus global.
Thanks for the education. Incredible how someone would take the time to explain this in such simple and understandable terms. One question though, when migrating from conventional to addressable, must everything be pulled and changed?
That greatly differs from brand to brand, contractor, budget, and building
Great video.
Really great explanation! Do all of these systems require wiring from each sensing point to the control panel? How many wires (and the wire gauge) needed and what is the longest wire can go?
Yes. But not all are home runs.
The conventional style is grouped by zone. Each device on the desired zone is connected to a pair of wires known as the idc.
A class a loop will begin, and end at the panel hitting each device on the loop along the route.
A class b circuit will begin at the panel and hit each device on the circuit. Ending with an end of line resistor at the last device.
An addressable system will bring the slc loop to each initation device. Each device is given a specific address which identifies at the control panel.
The same class a or b wiring method rules apply .
A class a circuit will begin and end at the fire panel.
A class b slc loop will end in the field. Depending on brand of panel a resistor may not be required at the Last device.
In the conventional system , the different zones(circuits) would have multiple devices on each zone, with no individual identification. In the addressable/intelligent panels, all the devices can get spliced into the one SLC circuit coming from the panel, as long as they’re spliced into anywhere in the SLC circuit they will have data to communicate
Typically can be 18 gage wire for those circuits and they can go pretty far more than 1000 feet I don’t have the exact numbers with me, but the addressable panel can have one 2 conductor coming off the SLC and branch out to the devices whereas the conventional panel typically has a 2 conductor coming off EACH zone circuit and typically from one device to the next until the end of line, without branching
@@briancoira6468 do you know what kind of communication protocol is on the wire? is there a standard for this? like open standard or mostly proprietary?
@@ekasusilo I believe they are proprietary, protocols only within the brand devices and main panel. For another brand panel, you would specifically need that brand devices
Great! Wish me luck on my fire alarm technician job interview,
Did you get the job?
@@Dime_Bar No. It was for electronics repair of fire-alarm circuits. I encourage you to watch my geology and science videos by typing in on RUclips Frank Reiser M.S.
Cool!!!! :)
Good info, but I get motion dizziness from your jerky camera technique.
My son have a t-bar and a NBG-12LX double pull station
Awesome video! Was just wondering, is the communication done through hardwires only? Are there any RF components in these systems?
i THINKK THE PANELS THEMSELVES COULD HAVE rf COMM UNITS.
In the UK you can get addressable wireless detectors, so you have a module that is wired to the main fire alarm which then connects the wireless detectors to the panel.
Even if the modules and panel are the same manufacturer, does the actual call point/pull station itself have to match also? For example, if you had a Simplex addressable system with a broken pull station, would it be possible to use a Honeywell pull station to replace it, or would it have to be a Simplex one in order to work with that specific module?
I know that over here in New Zealand systems are often maintained by different companies than the original installer, who may not use the same components (for example, you might have a system installed by Wormald, who use Vigilant call-points, but if it is being maintained by Chubb, they get their call points from Pertronic, so they would likely use a Pertronic call point to replace a broken Vigilant.
Hi there! As long as the module matches the panel, you can use anything on the module. The only restriction for modules is that, if it’s looking for a NC switch, you can’t use a NO one
@@FireAlarmsandSuch Exactly as I thought. Thanks.
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what is better ? smoke detectors with 2 or 4 wires ?
So I have a sk 5700 (as seen on my videos) and it doesn’t blink constantly it only does like every 30 seconds
Great video! I do however have a quick question. When it comes to conventional fire alarm systems, do addressable pull stations work with conventional systems? I got a bit confused when you said conventional panels will work with any 'conventional' device.
Addressable devices will not work on a conventional panel, unless the addressable part is removed/bypassed and the device is made conventional. A conventional device will work on an addressable panel as long as you have an addressable module to read the input of the conventional pull station
@@FireAlarmsandSuch Gotcha. Thanks for the reply!
@@FireAlarmsandSuch as far as I'm aware you can't make an addressable MCP a conventional mcp
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I have a conventional. Don't you think that I can connect on parallel a relay to a strobe light where a NC contact can disconnect a magnetic door lock? I mean, when the power comes to the strobe, the relay will open the NC contact, cutting the circuit of different divice that is not interfering to the system
Yes that is possible
do you HAVE to have a module?
Do you know the CHEAPEST possible panel? i want to start collecting but i want a panel with it.
FACP SHOWING AS location andFlow SW fire? In addressable system
Is it by smoke detector or water flow
Suresh S is water flow
I don't understand your question
Flow SW is a flow switch as in sprinklers.
Addressable systems by notifier do require resistors.
So do fire alarm panels have a battery backup just in case there’s a power failure?
Yes.
@@jaredthompson3011 Will a fire alarm panel likely survive a massive EMP attack?
Is a Non-Addressable Panel good for a Household System?
Yes if the house hold is not too big and you zoning chart drawing should be clear which zone zone belongs to which part of the house.
👍👍👍 only issue is if you put a fire alarm in your house and it activates while you're on holiday it will just keep sounding till you get home. Mains powered with battery backup house alarms are better as they will stop sounding when the smoke clears or the dam spider has crawled out of the detector
cool! but at 4:00 the 120v a.c does not look very safe
Sadly, yes that is the case. When I received the panel, there were issues that were not disclosed, the AC being one of them, so I got some of my money back
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Well spotted. You could buy a connector block off eBay and soldier it back on.
Plz share wrong device trouble
Addressable generally loops back into the panel, conventional doesn't
I'm fried as shit watchng this, and one thing i can't stop thinking; why tf does he have all this in his house LMAO
The kid must have a hard on for fire alarms 😂
Look at that wiring job in the next room on the ceiling my God
If Robert would’ve gone into low voltage instead of being an electrician
What If the control panel caught fire
Fire alarm elevator and exit the elevator is the hotel in a very good location and the location l2 Tommy express car wash
You possibly do not know why both addressable and conventional looks like it’s also have different race.
Adressable: White
Conventional; Black.
You need better hobbies
Conventional talking back ? Sorry,. It's not.
Fsocmany ads omg...this was a goo video but god youtube an its ads are killer.