THE SPARK FOR SPYGATE! The Story of the 2007 Hungarian Grand Prix
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- Опубликовано: 28 мар 2024
- Ah, Spygate. The best bit of the 2007 season. When McLaren were found to be in possession of data taken from Ferrari by a disgruntled employee.
But just before all that exploded, Alonso was given a grid drop at the Hungarian Grand Prix for impeding his team mate during the final qualifying session, a move that was seen to be the beginning of the end of the relationship between Alonso and McLaren. And where some would say that Hamilton moved into Fred's head rent free... And is still there.
So what happened? Was it as simple as this or that? Let's have a look.
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12:40 “1 million pounds for the offense, 99 million pounds for Ron Dennis being a wanker”
He actually used the C word iirc
Boy, he got off light.
@@adem1781 I always forget the exact wording but you're probably right
@KR1736 Aidan quotes it in the somewhere below.
He used language a bit fruitier than that, but pretty much.
Basically, “mine is bigger than yours” and thus, Kimi ironically took advantage of his old team that couldn’t give him reliable cars and then they get reliable cars and they still couldn’t win lol
Lewis is why drivers are sceptical about having the reigning F2 champion as their team-mate.
Fernando is why nobody wants to move to Red Bull while Max is there.
Put the two together and you've got a shitstorm in a teapot.
Goes back a lot further than that - and the F2 thing has no relevance now. Hamilton wasn't the regining F2/GP2/F3000 champion - he was along-term McLaren protege with listerally - literally - thousands of miles of testing laps in current McLaren cars. Any current F2 champion cannot - by rule - gain that anymore. Just look at how long it took Palmer to beat magnussen, Nasr (2nd in GP2) to get to grips; even Leclerc wasn't setting the world on fire at Sauber initially. Hamilton is more comparable to Vettel - who jumped straight in at BMW-Sauber, having been a BMW-Sauber test driver for 18 months, and scored points on debut.
The problem Fernando had is that he was promised a team built around him, but there was already a long-term driver there... Same thing Vettel had at Red Bull, where he had already been with them for 8 years before making his debut in F1; instantly at home vs Webber - as was Alonso himself at Renault in 2003
Nobody moves to the hot team while their favoured driver is there, unless there's something exceptional such as Prost, insisting McLaren go get Senna (yes, really!) but people used to avoid being Fangio's teammate; Clark, Brabham, Prost, Senna, Schumacher; all drivers who many did not want to be paired with. With Lotus also it was pretty much every driver from Clark onwards as nobody felt they could run two top-line cars.
My favourite part of that was James Allen giddily instructing Ted Kravitz to get after Alonso's personal trainer.
Then watching him get frog marched down the pit lane 😭😭😭 Ron Dennis what a legend
@@magicmillz Do you think all the personal trainers of the drivers have a headset with a two way radio?
I know you mentioned the alternating strategy per race week, but I seem to remember it was who got the final lap. It was Alonso's turn that week, but Hamilton manipulated the situation so that HE would get the final lap. Thus Alonso held him up so Alonso would get his promised final lap.
@Bonnet_Licker86Its been too many years to remember all the details, but something about that was mentioned by the American announcing team at the time.
@@matthewsallman1700If Leigh Diffy didn’t say it, I’d take it with a grain of salt. David Hobbs was God awful and I question how “with it” he really was and the other guy was there because he worked at Benneton the same time Schumacher was there. Couldn’t stand either of them and calling the races from a studio in America…yeah, I was doing what I could to stream ITV/BBC/Sky until ESPN got the deal.
Ultimately, Alonso decided to screw Hamilton (the pit lane blocking), then his team (the Spygate blackmail attempt on McLaren) in an attempt to get the team to control Hamilton. As Aidan suggests, all of Fernando Alonso's skullduggery probably cost him a 3rd title!!
"Elvis f1" on RUclips, gives the full context of the story. Worth a watch. Long story short, Hamilton went rogue against the team.
wasnt Q3 tho, which is important context
McLaren in 2007 was just 🍿🔥 They had the championship in the bag with that car. Unfortunately there wasn't enough room for giants Hamilton and Alonso in that team.
The words McLaren, Ron Dennis and team-mate mutiny are surprising bedfellows.
@@heliumtrophy They can't all be Prost and Lauda, sadly.
@@michaelkitchin9665 indeed or Prost/Rosberg Snr
A Splinter Cell reference in an AM video was not on today's bingo that's for damn sure
I gotta keep people on their toes.
I miss SC. I just want a remake of the original trilogy. 😔
Edit: 11:30, now a TToI reference? Yes and ho!
Let me tell anyone who wasn’t there, watching this unfold live in qualifying, was F1 gold 😂
“The old block-o-roo” 😂 10:21
Being a New England Patriots fan, Spygate means something VERY different to me
Also the amount of bots already my god
Ironic thing is both events happened in the same year - well the fallout lol
At least there is not a comparison in F1 to deflated balls...or is there?
@@scsmith4604 I guess Pirelli at Silverstone 2013 and Baku 2021. The one in Silverstone made them look so bad that they changed the tyres back to their 2012 spec, which then resulted in Red Bull and Seb's run of 9 Grand Prix wins in a row
David Coulthard is an underappreciated driver. Sure, He wasn't as good as Mika Hakkinen, but He and Webber laid the groundwork for Vettel to do all that winning. DC was good.
kinda downplayed that it had already been determined that McLaren long had those 780 pages, but somehow convinced FIA to believe that McLaren hadn't done anything with it?
If I remember correctly, at the Monaco post race interviews, Hamilton litteraly did the "scrubbing my middlefinger" on his cheeck pointing at Alonso. in short: gave him the middlefinger on worldwide tv.
Something I've just twigged is I remember Coulthard saying about Ron's (not so) unconscious bias getting the better of him sometimes. Coulthard faced it with Mika and perhaps Alonso inherently felt that with Lewis given that he was practically part of what's now called "The Academy." It's a measure of my own distrust for Ron that when he protests that there is no No.1 driver or no team-orders, I think he's serving up some of the finest bullshit. Given we have the whole thing Priestley says about Alonso's money in brown paper envelopes as a thank you to the team - it's clear he wasn't going to have his own way.
They fitted Alonso's car with a set of used mediums, while Hamilton's lap was done with fresh softs. You can even see for yourself, as the grooved tyres from that era had a white stripe on one groove to signal the soft. And Alonso got the best time anyway.
Gotta love the bots....and the humour of having them bots too.
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Nope, none of them. If only they were clever bots and slipped in the creators name or reference to one of the tags
"The Mechanic: The Secret World of the F1 Pitlane" has a great inside look at this season, from a 3rd party's point of view. Really good read too.
The writer is "Elvis F1" on RUclips. He has made a short video about the pitstop drama. Worth a watch😉
I like the scraps like Nascar where the whole pit crew get involved. Some big lads there ....
I fuckin love these videos Aidan. I’m down for a 12 deep dive into McLaren 2007-2009 games
10:05 Looking back it’s one of the craziest penalties ever. It was an intrateam issue. They already screwed themselves over. The then the FIA adds insult to injury.
At the time as a young Hamilton fanboy I think I liked the Alonso penalty though!
Rumour had it that Ron Dennis wasn't well liked by the FIA.
@@JohnSmithShields isn't there a tongue in cheek quote from Mosley which was basically he gave Ron Dennis a fine in which 5% was because of a rule break and 95% of it was because he was Ron Dennis
Spygate fine was supposedly “ten million for the offence and 90 million cos Ron Dennis is a cunt”
Allegedly the exact words that came out of Mosely’s mouth in a meeting.
@@AidanMillward thank you for the clarification.
Plato always loved a scrap. I thought he and Alain Menu were gonna come to blows in the Renault pits once.
Menu had the audacity to pass him when he’d already claimed the title and Plato was fighting for second I believe.
Plato at Muller was mad as well. Split the team right in half.
If you want to talk about on-track altercations in NASCAR, I think Ricky Rudd vs. Dale Earnhardt, and later Rudd vs. Kevin Harvick (never dawned on me that was two drivers in the same car, 15 years apart) is closer in sentiment to what you described, although NASCAR is kind of interesting how the most infamous rivalries are generally short-lived or just a coincidence of two altercations at the same track in the span of a year or so.
Another great video! Cheers mate 🎉 Always look forward to another F1 story time
11:18 I'm pretty sure a year or so ago Nando said he was going to release a tell-all book after he retires from F1. Whether he will actually do that remains to be seen I suppose but if he does well... I'm not much of a reader but I'd definitely buy that book!
Honourable mention to Russell giving Bottas an aggressive pat on the head 😂
New viewer, absolutely loving your videos!
Another fact about the spygate that wasn't public too much was the agreement between Ron and the FIA that the driver's point shouldn't be deducted in return of the cooperations of their drivers particularly Hamilton because he was leading the championship back then. So its pretty much Lewis lying through his teeth that he had no idea of the spygate.
And what difference does it make if Lewis Hamilton lied about knowing?? The beef was between Ron Dennis and Fernando Alonso. Stay within the narrative!! 😅
@chrisclermont456 The difference is he washed his hands clean of the issue while taking full advantage to paint his image as the victim. Much like how he lied about Trulli and making his engineer the fall guy. Yeah, I'd rather tell the facts as is rather than stick to a made up narrative. 🤣🤣🤣
You’re just crying because a rookie schooled your average goat 😂😂😂😂alonslow has been a finished wet wipe since 07
Great Stuff! Thank you.
I blame *Ron Dennis* for not knowing he was pairing Alonso with a generational talent. Had he given the second car to De La Rosa and shipped Lewis off to Williams for a year or two, this could have been avoided since Alonso already had a contract. But then we wouldn't have had an epic season full of drama until the last race.
Funny you should mention that - because De la Rosa was actually the origin of Spygate and the fines....
He'd gone to Ferrari to be a test driver but wasn't happy, so started emailing and texting Alonso all the setup and tyre nitrogen-filling details, along with details of teh test programmes at Ferrari.
That's where, when Ron denied that the drawings had been widely circulated...it wasn't just the drawings that McLaren had deep insider knowledge of, from directly within Ferrari... This is how Nando was able to blackmail Ron, because he knew a lot more than Ron did about what and how, information had come from within Ferrari. Spygate was as much about De La Rosa as it ever was about Stepney.
That was a internal intense year for team McLaren
There are rookies, there are rookies, then there is Lewis.
Great job, Aidan. (Outside on the first lap! That must've pissed off that Spanish, er IMPORTANT DRIVER. Cheers from the Pacific West Coast of Canada.
The mid to late 2000 cars are stunning. Especially the later. Well, at least before the wings became asymmetric. Big front, tall skinny rear. Those are awful.
excelent video
I have now watched 95% videos in the past week while building race trophies here in indy.. but when will you do a full spygate video..
Hamilton wasnt the 1st driver to reach 3 victories in 2007.
Kimi Raikkonen was at Silverstone
I didn’t say he was. I said he was the first to lead every lap of a Grand Prix.
@AidanMillward fair play, my mistake.
Another great video
I'm Interested in the whole did McLaren deliberately fluff the championship situation...maybe a topic for your next video?
Don't really look back fondly on 2007 season. Too much politics off track, but only half a dozen decent races on it.
Strongly believe Mclaren could not win the title in 2007, nudge nudge. Also Ron had a few clangers with driver 'harmony' like Senna/Prost and the impact of announcing Alonso so early that Montoya and Kimi 'lost' focus. Perhaps watch Sainz this year to measure ....
Hamilton started this whole mess by not following team orders but of course his evangelists/apologists will deny that.
And Alonso lost himself a championship by being just as petty with it but hey ho.
True@@AidanMillward
Of course, Hamilton bad!! 😂😂😂 I was an Alonso fan coming into this season. I came out a Hamilton fan because skullduggery or not, Alonso had no business being consistently out driven by a rookie!! Facts!!
See, this is why F1 isn't just a traveling engineers circus; Shakespearian tragedy that I turned into a drinking game. Every time you hear "DRAMA"; drink! it makes the 'racing' and commentary bearable.
i remember dennis holding a press conference where alonso was present, and ate a peach in a really messy way. which apparently pissed off Ron no end?!
Doesn't surprise me. Dennis is a clean freak.
This race is one of my earliest memories of F1, i remember my dad going mental at Alonso for holding Hamilton up😂 Great video, i love your history videos, keep up the good work!
Schumi x Coulthard was very promising \m/
I still vaguely remember Coulthard doing his best Stone Cold Steve Austin impression and giving Schumacher the middle finger at Magny Cours mid-race 😂😂
If Schumacher did fight Coulthard in spa 98, Schumacher would have broken his hand on the iron jaw of the scot.
It all started at the US GP for Alonso. Remember how angry he looked on the podium after Lewis beat him fair and square?
Mostly it's because AJ Foyt doesn't have anything to do with formula 1 these days
Ron might have tried to appear neutral but I remember watching live, afterwards he goes over to someone connected with Alonso (wasn't he giving the timing?) and takes his headset off. Not a happy bunny. Search the live footage from ITV and a few seconds after the flag drops.
JUst found it - yeah it was Alonso's trainer Ron puts his arm around and escorts him away up the pitlane. Bit cringe, as the kidz say :D
The only reason I still watch F1 is for the GigAlonso shithousery.
I'd love to see an f1 driver comment on something like this. But the boring buggers never do!
We need Sting Rey Robb
You forgot about stroll and his trainer
No I didn’t.
Honestly, this and Crashgate are the reason why I dislike Alonso from a certain point of view. Even if Hamilton was a dick prior to that, how pathetic do you have to be to do that to your rookie teammate without thinking about the consequences? And at Hungaroring of all places?
It is also hilarious that after getting screwed over by McLaren cock-ups, Raikkonen finally won a championship thanks to a... McLaren cock-up.
So Alonso psyched himself out with his own arrogance! 😂 (I appreciate his talents, but never been a massive fan because of the way he comes across)
One thousand and one hundred subscribers until you hit one hundred thousand subscribers.
Im so glad i don't get these bots on my videos😭😭😭
All people can do is report them. It’s a joke.
@@AidanMillward it really is
Spygate is also the main reason *Mercedes* decided to create their own team. Link: ruclips.net/video/Y6FLkGFMnUQ/видео.html So, ironically, even tho Lewis lost the title because of it, he ended up benefiting the most long term. Talk about a butterfly effect, huh? 😂
😂 but we love it
Don't overlook MS trying to lamp DC at Spa in 1998.
(DC usually deserved it, but it was usually MS's fault.)
conclusion?
You don't fuck with Alonso.
Alonso fucked himself with this tho.
@@AidanMillward that's one way to look at it, he could have let himself get outqualified by lewis, finished behind him and been champion
@@detectivepayne3773
yes, im absolutely on your side on that.
Fernando fucked around and found out. Then he effectively snitched to the FIA. What a pathetic man.
Hamilton won that race no?
🔥🔥🔥🔥
Russell smacked Bottas in the helmet after crashing them both out at Imola ....
Alonso is and always has been shady. Not a fan.
So hamilton was a dick to alonso, then gets upset when alonso is a dick to him, Sounds about right
Then Alonso loses a championship as a result and remains salty about it for the next 15 years.
@@AidanMillward I look forward to finding out who's still salty in 2036, because judging by the current media, it hasn't diminished one iota so far. (For clarity, not pointed at you, obv)
@@AidanMillwardI would also be salty for years.
The clash with Hamilton cost Alonso his 3rd title and probably 1 or 2 more with McLaren.
The block in the pits made everything way worse for him and it's probably the ultimate reason why he lost the title.
Alonso would put up a leg on Hamilton even today if a chance arises.
And personally I would agree with whatever it would be.
I wasn't a big fan of Alonso at that time bc he beat (my😅) Schumi. But I thought it was pretty unfair being biased towards the British driver bc they're a British Team.
@@AidanMillward I think both are pretty salty each other. I'm sure Hamilton also remember 2007 with some bitterness for what could have been and never was. They both sabotaged each other and ended losing.
@@Cellsius Lewis doesn't care he has 7 championships lmao
Oh, the famous line-up of two drivers who, between themselves, lost 5 world titles despite having the best and the fastest car on the grid. In this case, they had a car that could come home on podium on an autopilot (M. Brundel).
Was gonna say, where has five come from? Cos Lewis only lost the one in 2016 and that was on reliability.
@Bonnet_Licker86 It's difficult to say. Kimi was very fast when they still had traction control like in 2007, but I think he never managed to reach his old peak when it went away, and taking that spring to the head like Massa did in '09 can be one of those situations that just shreds your confidence and it never returns.
All of the ridiculous Hamilton hate and conspiracies are simply hysterical!! If he knew about Spygate, so what? The communications between DeLa Rosa and Alonso were emails in Spanish!! Nevertheless, its exposure would not benefit Hamilton. Alonso attempted to blackmail Ron Dennis. We know this. Secondly, Alonso was a 2-times World Champion who was not supposed to be getting schooled by a rookie!! Alonso initially lied to the FIA in this instance, Singapore, and most recently in Australia!! Oh, but somehow Hamilton bad for being the better of the two drivers despite being the rookie!!
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Alonso was jealous that Hamilton was the far more talented driver with in the team and he hated being beaten by a rookie. At Monaco Alonso and Hamilton lapped everyone except Massa in the third placed Ferrari.