How did they miss the island? I haven't seen anywhere in the show where they walk all around the island they are on. So it's pretty easy to believe they are on another side of the island where they can't see the smaller island from. They're on a pretty damn big island. Don't you remember how big it looked when it zoomed out in episode 1 of this season? It was huge, and it didn't even show the entire island.
Somethings mostly overlooked in this episode... 1. Why did Danny ask Kate to admit she loved Sawyer while beating him up? Why does he care? He was angry that his wife/girlfriend killed by 815 survivors, he wanted to take it out of Sawyer, ok but why would someone like that ask Kate that question repeatedly even in that moment? Why is that important to him? 2. Also, why did Ben need to comment Sawyer about Kate in the ending scene? He said what kept Sawyer in-line was threatining Kate and he added "you try so hard to make her think you don't care about her or you don't need her" and questioned why... He also ended his words with the quote from Mice and Men; "a guy gets too lonely, and he gets sick" which implies Sawyer to embrace his feelings for Kate, instead of actively trying to stay alone. Combining both, why are they trying to make them admit/embrace their feelings to each other?
I think, in the case of Danny, he repeatedly asked that to make sure that someone (Kate in this case) felt the same thing he was feeling. That is, a lot of anger and sadness because your beloved one suffered (okay, Colleen actually died, but Danny meant to kill him later anyway). As for Ben, I think it's just one more of his mind games. He wanted Sawyer to know the he is on to him. That whatever Sawyer does, planning actions or disguising his feelings are not at all secrets to Ben. To show he's always 1 step ahead of the professional conman Sawyer. "You're good, but we're a lot better". Not that he cares about Sawyer's feelings for Kate, of course.
@@reatores I think the answer is simpler, they want Sawyer and Kate to hook up so that they can use it to manipulate Jack. Danny knows this and after losing his wife, he's very impatient to see the plan advance to next stage. Because, after Jack does what they want, they won't need them any more and he can do whatever he wants to Sawyer and Kate, but he can't do anything (other then some beating) until they convince Jack. Kate admitting she loves Sawyer is a big step in that direction. Ben is also eager to see them hook up but he does it in his own way, patiently. He puts seeds in Sawyer's mind to give in to his feelings for Kate. He'll have to speed things up because of the x-ray thing now but normally takes things slow, as you know. That's why they made Kate wear that dress and make them physically work together, that's why they put them in opposite cages, and that's why Kate is able to climb out and reach Sawyer's cage and they don't care despite seeing it on cameras.
It's easy for them to miss a very small island a couple of miles away during a hike or sailing like Sayid's boat crew. It's already small to notice and it might be a little foggy or something during their limited travels on the other parts of the island. Appearantly, it's also not directly opposite of their beach camp, so they're NOT looking directly to it all day... Plus, even if they've seen it, the side of the small island seen from the main island seems to be only some cliffs as they climbed and looked from there in this episode and Sawyer checked his two sides. So, all they see would be some small bunch of rocks in a distance where you'd not expect to have any building or people etc.. at all... If I was stranded on an island in the middle of nowhere I wouldn't really care about very small rocky formations sticking out of the ocean in the distance. I wouldn't think there is anything there.
Indeed. All they would see would be some small thing in the horizon. Don't think they would care... I mean, they have enough things to deal with in the main island. Why bother visiting some rock?
Sawyer is in an Every Man For Himself situation in prison reading Steinbeck, and the episode revolves around the 'Live Together or Die Alone' theme. The novel Of Mice and Men (and its motto which comes from the famous Burns' poem - 'The best-laid plans of mice and men often come to failure' - ) by Steinbeck are rather obvious symbols of how the people mostly only look after nr 1 in the world, but some, like George and Lennie stick together, helping others, like Sawyer helps his daughter. Still, the cruel fate crushes dreams often, like Steinbeck's novel's critique of The American Dream. I recommend the travelogue 'Travels with Charley' by Steinbeck, a documentary of a road trip with his dog - at the end he is hilariously lost, too. Btw., that bit about the large needle having to go through Sawyer's sternum is a reference to the same action that takes place in Tarantino's film Pulp Fiction.
Sou fã da Cassidy, sempre que ela aparece eu fico feliz 😂 A cara de abuso do Victor sempre que os Outros fazem alguma coisa é muito engraçada. O tanto que ele odeia o povo (menos a Juliet)
The whole second island thing reminded me a lot of an anime I've loved ever since I was a kid. It came out in the 90s and it's called "Nadia - Secret Of Blue Water". I'm BEGGING you, even if you're not usually into anime, if you have a chance to see it, do it. It's getting a bit rough to get into it at the start. But once you understand the whole story, it's MAGNIFICENT. And they land on an island at some point (it's only 39 episodes long overall, so you can technically get through the whole show within a day or two), which is when all the romantic stuff happens 🥰. And then, without wanting to spoil too much, a second island just SHOWS UP all of a sudden one day and they can't make sense of it. It's SO great. I always think of that, when I see these Lost episodes... I just never talk about it with anyone....
@@reatores knowing both, I think it could be technically possible that Lost writers were inspired by Nadia. Nadia came first. Came out in 1995, I believe. I can't spoil too much because the stuff with the two islands in Nadia is TOTALLY awesome. But it's certainly different than Lost...
GKIDS Films - "Hideaki ANNO's Nadia Secret Of Blue Water" . I just looked it up. It's a trailer to the series. You could see, if that stuff would interest you. Like I said, it's only 39 episodes long and still one of my favorite animes of all time (and apparently it was made by the creators of Neon Genesis Evangelion 😅). The stuff with the two islands is not in the trailer though. 😉 you would have to watch the series for yourself. Regardless, IF you do end up watching it, if ANYONE does, please let me know. I don't have anyone in my life I can talk to about this stuff. But you'll see, even when you only watch the first five or so episodes.... there is some PRETTY HEAVY emotional stuff in there....
o Dear gugu-gaga sempre me pega. kkkkkk O Sawyer jogando Ratos e Homens e depois o Ben mandando um Reverse para o Sawyer sobre o mesmo livro. kkkkk Detalhe aquele bastaozinho do Ben parece que doi pacas, ainda mais onde ele acerta. Como tenho ódio desse Danny. Jack dando um monte de patada seca nesse ep gostei bastante. Nossa se isso for o Long con da Cassady ela é pró na arte dos golpes.
Kkkkkkk dear gugu gaga é bom demais!! E esse contra-ataque do Ben com Ratos e Homens é mto bom também haha! Esse bastão de estimaçao é o melhor amigo do Ben kkkkk. Imagina se a Cassidy tivesse planejado esse golpe hahaha!
Sawyer is really well locked up. He is a prisoner of his peacemaker, being locked in a cage, a cage on an island from which he cannot leave, except on another island where it is even more difficult to leave. A real matryoshka.😊
Obrigado, Rodrigo! Também não me surpreende que os heróis não tenham conseguido encontrar esta pequena ilha, já que Said não nadou ao redor da ilha, e muito provavelmente simplesmente não nadou até o ponto de onde aquela ilha seria visível. A ilha é muito grande e tem irregularidades e relevos, montanhas, selvas. Por esse motivo, não me surpreende que os heróis não tenham conseguido encontrar a vila e tudo mais antes
SPOILERS..... Never seen anyone mention this, but when Juliet tells Jack that she's a fertility doctor so, therefore, isn't used to death, it's such a blatant lie 😆 She's seen nothing BUT death since she arrived (9 pregnant dead patients).
Personally, I think Jack seeing those x-rays was an accident, given that nobody was expecting Colleen to be shot/need surgery. So Jack should have been safely locked up in his cell while those x-rays were on 'display'. Mayra wants everything to be about Locke and I don't blame her 😁 But it doesn't make any sense for The Others to have his x-rays (or want to help him)...and as he has only been paralysed for 4 years, he couldn't have been a 'male of around 40' (even if those x-rays were old ones in a file). Charlie is definitely very insecure, but I wouldn't go as far as to call him 'toxic', even though I don't like some of his behaviour around Claire. Imo, Kate definitely loves Sawyer. She's just protecting herself emotionally by refusing to admit to him that she was actually telling the truth. I'm not really a fan of this episode (the prison flashback doesn't do much for me, aside from the reappearance of Cassidy...and, on-island, I only like the 'Desmond/beach camp' bits) but I always enjoy everything much more through this crew's eyes ❤
Oh, I'm glad the crew makes it a better experience for you, regarding scenes that you don't exactly care about! Haha I was actually finding it really funny, although I didn't show, because Mayra's love for Locke is so real that sometimes she wants something be about him, when it actually has nothing to do with him haha!
@@reatores Yes, I think Mayra might love Locke even more than Kiel and Ju did (if that's possible), which is very heart warming to see 🥰 Team Locke forever!
No episódios 1 dessa temporada mostra a vila na ilha principal, mais depois eles começam a tratar ela como eles mostram a vila como se fosse ness ilha menor kkk
Fico pensando em nas coisas que os roteiristas/diretores agregam em epi do Sawyer só por conta das piadas e referências a cultura pop. O nariz de Chinatown, o careca/calvo chamado de Costanza.
Shame they got hung up on that error by the writer's regarding the spine. Clearly the tumor is in the neck (cervical) and not the lumbar (lower back) region. Sadly one of several sloppy season 3 errors.
Not sure it's an error, because a tumour on the L4 vertebra can cause neck pain (I've just googled it to check), and....SPOILERS..... When Jack operates on Ben, we can clearly see that he isn't operating on his neck....he makes the incision much further down on his back.
@@letsrock1729 The question comes from what you can see on the x-ray. Maybe I'm wrong because I'm certainly not trained at reading x-rays, but it appears to me that the x-ray is of the neck, with the skull/chin sitting one to two vertebra up from the tumor and the shoulders a couple below. (You can look at 14:57 in this video to see it).
@@letsrock1729 Maybe someone who is qualified will chime in and let us know what we're actually looking at. 🙂 For sake of argument, one of the reasons for my initial comment (other than the obvious absurdity of an upcoming episode in a few weeks), is (SPOILERS): Par Avion...as a bird bander and professional ornithologist, I can say there isn't a single thing they get right in that entire episode regarding bird banding or capturing birds (Desmond walks up and captures by hand, yeah right), tagging them with massive chunks of metal, putting paper-written messages on them that would disintegrate in 24 hours in sea water, assuming they'd be re-caught in a timely fashion (1 in 1000 chance over bird's lifetime on average), etc. Ahh, felt good to get that out... 😁
@@Aegolius SPOILERS..... I'm trying to think of what upcoming 'obvious absurdity' you're referring to and I have no idea 😊 As to Par Avion, yes, I always took the whole bird plot with a pinch of salt, as it was clearly never going to work (with a paper message). I've never minded this and have approached it in a 'suspension of disbelief' kind of way. However, that's probably only because I have zero knowledge about birds, so none of the incorrect details bothered me. I wasn't convinced that any of it was actually correct (aside from the fact that I know carrier pigeons exist), but I didn't care either way because only the story was important to me. But I'm sure I'd be very irritated if they made huge errors in an area I know a lot about....because that would definitely force me out of my happy 'suspension of disbelief' state. Sometimes I suppose ignorance is bliss 😉
Esses são os reatores mais inteligente s que ja passaram no canal. Queria ser amigo deles.
Hahah eles são muito inteligentes e realmente é ótimo ser amigo deles!!
20:30 I'm sorry, but Matthew Fox is just SO brilliant. Can we talk about that for a second? 🤩
He is totally brilliant! Can't believe some people dislike his acting.
"Eu queria muito que a radiografia fosse do Locke" Mayra, fã do personagem (eu acho). Hahaha
O coitado tem 40 anos em cada perna
Kkkkkkk o amor da Mayra pelo Locke é contagiante!
Yeah, but it made no logical sense for it to be Lockes.
"a guy gets too lonely, an' he gets sick."
Mandou muito nessa haha!
Esse é um dos melhores episódios dessa temporada. ❤
Gosto bastante!
How did they miss the island? I haven't seen anywhere in the show where they walk all around the island they are on. So it's pretty easy to believe they are on another side of the island where they can't see the smaller island from. They're on a pretty damn big island. Don't you remember how big it looked when it zoomed out in episode 1 of this season? It was huge, and it didn't even show the entire island.
I agree, there was no sign of it. Huge main island.
Somethings mostly overlooked in this episode...
1. Why did Danny ask Kate to admit she loved Sawyer while beating him up? Why does he care? He was angry that his wife/girlfriend killed by 815 survivors, he wanted to take it out of Sawyer, ok but why would someone like that ask Kate that question repeatedly even in that moment? Why is that important to him?
2. Also, why did Ben need to comment Sawyer about Kate in the ending scene? He said what kept Sawyer in-line was threatining Kate and he added "you try so hard to make her think you don't care about her or you don't need her" and questioned why... He also ended his words with the quote from Mice and Men; "a guy gets too lonely, and he gets sick" which implies Sawyer to embrace his feelings for Kate, instead of actively trying to stay alone.
Combining both, why are they trying to make them admit/embrace their feelings to each other?
I think, in the case of Danny, he repeatedly asked that to make sure that someone (Kate in this case) felt the same thing he was feeling. That is, a lot of anger and sadness because your beloved one suffered (okay, Colleen actually died, but Danny meant to kill him later anyway).
As for Ben, I think it's just one more of his mind games. He wanted Sawyer to know the he is on to him. That whatever Sawyer does, planning actions or disguising his feelings are not at all secrets to Ben. To show he's always 1 step ahead of the professional conman Sawyer. "You're good, but we're a lot better". Not that he cares about Sawyer's feelings for Kate, of course.
@@reatores I think the answer is simpler, they want Sawyer and Kate to hook up so that they can use it to manipulate Jack. Danny knows this and after losing his wife, he's very impatient to see the plan advance to next stage. Because, after Jack does what they want, they won't need them any more and he can do whatever he wants to Sawyer and Kate, but he can't do anything (other then some beating) until they convince Jack. Kate admitting she loves Sawyer is a big step in that direction.
Ben is also eager to see them hook up but he does it in his own way, patiently. He puts seeds in Sawyer's mind to give in to his feelings for Kate. He'll have to speed things up because of the x-ray thing now but normally takes things slow, as you know. That's why they made Kate wear that dress and make them physically work together, that's why they put them in opposite cages, and that's why Kate is able to climb out and reach Sawyer's cage and they don't care despite seeing it on cameras.
Ohhh right!
That's a good answer indeed! Makes total sense.
It's easy for them to miss a very small island a couple of miles away during a hike or sailing like Sayid's boat crew. It's already small to notice and it might be a little foggy or something during their limited travels on the other parts of the island. Appearantly, it's also not directly opposite of their beach camp, so they're NOT looking directly to it all day... Plus, even if they've seen it, the side of the small island seen from the main island seems to be only some cliffs as they climbed and looked from there in this episode and Sawyer checked his two sides. So, all they see would be some small bunch of rocks in a distance where you'd not expect to have any building or people etc.. at all... If I was stranded on an island in the middle of nowhere I wouldn't really care about very small rocky formations sticking out of the ocean in the distance. I wouldn't think there is anything there.
Indeed. All they would see would be some small thing in the horizon. Don't think they would care... I mean, they have enough things to deal with in the main island. Why bother visiting some rock?
Sawyer is in an Every Man For Himself situation in prison reading Steinbeck, and the episode revolves around the 'Live Together or Die Alone' theme. The novel Of Mice and Men (and its motto which comes from the famous Burns' poem - 'The best-laid plans of mice and men often come to failure' - ) by Steinbeck are rather obvious symbols of how the people mostly only look after nr 1 in the world, but some, like George and Lennie stick together, helping others, like Sawyer helps his daughter. Still, the cruel fate crushes dreams often, like Steinbeck's novel's critique of The American Dream. I recommend the travelogue 'Travels with Charley' by Steinbeck, a documentary of a road trip with his dog - at the end he is hilariously lost, too. Btw., that bit about the large needle having to go through Sawyer's sternum is a reference to the same action that takes place in Tarantino's film Pulp Fiction.
Yeah, when they suggested an orientation film as the needle reference I was thinking, 'have they not seen Pulp Fiction' ?
Gee, how come I never thought of Pulp Fiction??
Shame on me 😂
Thanks for all the literary obsevations!
Sou fã da Cassidy, sempre que ela aparece eu fico feliz 😂
A cara de abuso do Victor sempre que os Outros fazem alguma coisa é muito engraçada. O tanto que ele odeia o povo (menos a Juliet)
Siiim, ele odeia muito o Ben e os Outros hahah! Curioso pra ver as reações de alguns eventos específicos 😁
The whole second island thing reminded me a lot of an anime I've loved ever since I was a kid. It came out in the 90s and it's called "Nadia - Secret Of Blue Water". I'm BEGGING you, even if you're not usually into anime, if you have a chance to see it, do it. It's getting a bit rough to get into it at the start. But once you understand the whole story, it's MAGNIFICENT. And they land on an island at some point (it's only 39 episodes long overall, so you can technically get through the whole show within a day or two), which is when all the romantic stuff happens 🥰. And then, without wanting to spoil too much, a second island just SHOWS UP all of a sudden one day and they can't make sense of it. It's SO great.
I always think of that, when I see these Lost episodes... I just never talk about it with anyone....
Oh, that's cool! I wonder if it came out before or after Lost. You know, maybe one inspired another in that second island matter.
@@reatores knowing both, I think it could be technically possible that Lost writers were inspired by Nadia. Nadia came first. Came out in 1995, I believe. I can't spoil too much because the stuff with the two islands in Nadia is TOTALLY awesome. But it's certainly different than Lost...
GKIDS Films - "Hideaki ANNO's Nadia Secret Of Blue Water" .
I just looked it up. It's a trailer to the series. You could see, if that stuff would interest you. Like I said, it's only 39 episodes long and still one of my favorite animes of all time (and apparently it was made by the creators of Neon Genesis Evangelion 😅). The stuff with the two islands is not in the trailer though. 😉 you would have to watch the series for yourself.
Regardless, IF you do end up watching it, if ANYONE does, please let me know. I don't have anyone in my life I can talk to about this stuff. But you'll see, even when you only watch the first five or so episodes.... there is some PRETTY HEAVY emotional stuff in there....
Alright, thanks for the info and for looking it up!
o Dear gugu-gaga sempre me pega. kkkkkk
O Sawyer jogando Ratos e Homens e depois o Ben mandando um Reverse para o Sawyer sobre o mesmo livro. kkkkk
Detalhe aquele bastaozinho do Ben parece que doi pacas, ainda mais onde ele acerta.
Como tenho ódio desse Danny.
Jack dando um monte de patada seca nesse ep gostei bastante.
Nossa se isso for o Long con da Cassady ela é pró na arte dos golpes.
Kkkkkkk dear gugu gaga é bom demais!!
E esse contra-ataque do Ben com Ratos e Homens é mto bom também haha!
Esse bastão de estimaçao é o melhor amigo do Ben kkkkk.
Imagina se a Cassidy tivesse planejado esse golpe hahaha!
Sawyer is really well locked up. He is a prisoner of his peacemaker, being locked in a cage, a cage on an island from which he cannot leave, except on another island where it is even more difficult to leave. A real matryoshka.😊
Hahah too many prisons, poor thing!
Obrigado, Rodrigo! Também não me surpreende que os heróis não tenham conseguido encontrar esta pequena ilha, já que Said não nadou ao redor da ilha, e muito provavelmente simplesmente não nadou até o ponto de onde aquela ilha seria visível. A ilha é muito grande e tem irregularidades e relevos, montanhas, selvas. Por esse motivo, não me surpreende que os heróis não tenham conseguido encontrar a vila e tudo mais antes
Realmente, não é de se surpreender. Improvável que conseguiriam identificar uma nova ilha!
SPOILERS.....
Never seen anyone mention this, but when Juliet tells Jack that she's a fertility doctor so, therefore, isn't used to death, it's such a blatant lie 😆 She's seen nothing BUT death since she arrived (9 pregnant dead patients).
True haha (poor thing though).
Personally, I think Jack seeing those x-rays was an accident, given that nobody was expecting Colleen to be shot/need surgery. So Jack should have been safely locked up in his cell while those x-rays were on 'display'.
Mayra wants everything to be about Locke and I don't blame her 😁 But it doesn't make any sense for The Others to have his x-rays (or want to help him)...and as he has only been paralysed for 4 years, he couldn't have been a 'male of around 40' (even if those x-rays were old ones in a file).
Charlie is definitely very insecure, but I wouldn't go as far as to call him 'toxic', even though I don't like some of his behaviour around Claire.
Imo, Kate definitely loves Sawyer. She's just protecting herself emotionally by refusing to admit to him that she was actually telling the truth.
I'm not really a fan of this episode (the prison flashback doesn't do much for me, aside from the reappearance of Cassidy...and, on-island, I only like the 'Desmond/beach camp' bits) but I always enjoy everything much more through this crew's eyes ❤
Oh, I'm glad the crew makes it a better experience for you, regarding scenes that you don't exactly care about!
Haha I was actually finding it really funny, although I didn't show, because Mayra's love for Locke is so real that sometimes she wants something be about him, when it actually has nothing to do with him haha!
@@reatores Yes, I think Mayra might love Locke even more than Kiel and Ju did (if that's possible), which is very heart warming to see 🥰 Team Locke forever!
No episódios 1 dessa temporada mostra a vila na ilha principal, mais depois eles começam a tratar ela como eles mostram a vila como se fosse ness ilha menor kkk
Sim hahahha, muito malandros!
Fico pensando em nas coisas que os roteiristas/diretores agregam em epi do Sawyer só por conta das piadas e referências a cultura pop. O nariz de Chinatown, o careca/calvo chamado de Costanza.
Kkkkkk eu acho q tinha alguém responsável só por essas falas!
Shame they got hung up on that error by the writer's regarding the spine. Clearly the tumor is in the neck (cervical) and not the lumbar (lower back) region. Sadly one of several sloppy season 3 errors.
Not sure it's an error, because a tumour on the L4 vertebra can cause neck pain (I've just googled it to check), and....SPOILERS.....
When Jack operates on Ben, we can clearly see that he isn't operating on his neck....he makes the incision much further down on his back.
@@letsrock1729 The question comes from what you can see on the x-ray. Maybe I'm wrong because I'm certainly not trained at reading x-rays, but it appears to me that the x-ray is of the neck, with the skull/chin sitting one to two vertebra up from the tumor and the shoulders a couple below. (You can look at 14:57 in this video to see it).
@@Aegolius I thought we were seeing the section of spinal column between the pelvis and the rib cage. Although I'm no x-ray expert either 😉
@@letsrock1729 Maybe someone who is qualified will chime in and let us know what we're actually looking at. 🙂
For sake of argument, one of the reasons for my initial comment (other than the obvious absurdity of an upcoming episode in a few weeks), is (SPOILERS):
Par Avion...as a bird bander and professional ornithologist, I can say there isn't a single thing they get right in that entire episode regarding bird banding or capturing birds (Desmond walks up and captures by hand, yeah right), tagging them with massive chunks of metal, putting paper-written messages on them that would disintegrate in 24 hours in sea water, assuming they'd be re-caught in a timely fashion (1 in 1000 chance over bird's lifetime on average), etc.
Ahh, felt good to get that out... 😁
@@Aegolius SPOILERS.....
I'm trying to think of what upcoming 'obvious absurdity' you're referring to and I have no idea 😊
As to Par Avion, yes, I always took the whole bird plot with a pinch of salt, as it was clearly never going to work (with a paper message). I've never minded this and have approached it in a 'suspension of disbelief' kind of way.
However, that's probably only because I have zero knowledge about birds, so none of the incorrect details bothered me. I wasn't convinced that any of it was actually correct (aside from the fact that I know carrier pigeons exist), but I didn't care either way because only the story was important to me.
But I'm sure I'd be very irritated if they made huge errors in an area I know a lot about....because that would definitely force me out of my happy 'suspension of disbelief' state. Sometimes I suppose ignorance is bliss 😉