10 Controversial NASCAR Rules And If They Should Stay
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NASCAR has had and certainly has today a ton of rules for fans to sift through. Today we are going to look at 10 of these rules that at one time or another we’re very controversial for fans and see if they should or should not be in NASCAR anymore. Some seem obvious for fans to want to keep or get rid of now but others may still be borderline due to the changing of time. So without drawing this out further here are 10 controversial NASCAR rules and if they should stay.
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What NASCAR rules do you like and/or want to go away?
I like no stage cautions for the road courses
The DVP is awful also playoff waivers
I actually think and don’t know the opinion on this but I think the choose rule was a good addition
Abolish playoffs. Go back to a regular points format like Winston points Style format or a Indycar points style format.
Go back to the 2003 points format playoffs only belong in stick and ball sports not motorsports
"Hey I got a great idea, how about we just get rid of the yellow line rule?"
-Dale Jr.
Let’s be honest the yellow line has caused more crashes then it’s stopped
I’ve been say this for years thank you!
As an initial supporter of the rule, I agree, it needs to go, especially with the safety advances of the past 20+ years.
Agreed
If Dale jr one of the best in history at that style of racing if racing says it needs to go that really says something.. even Dale jr said exactly that
Tbh id leave it there bc someone is gonna make a stupid move and wreck the feild u can find these examples in like iracing u can penalize them but it aint gonna change the fast they wrecked the feild or ur favourite driver
Another recent rule change you didn't mention - The choose rule! I actually like that change. One tweak I would do is, on big ovals, put the choose box on the backstretch, like they do on road courses. Cut down the number of pace laps.
I don't think it will change how many laps are run under caution though. When it's one to go they get ready to go double file.
At stage yellows, I actually said out loud "get 'em out of here." Not having them may not make for the most interesting races, but if the races aren't interesting, the guaranteed yellows are NOT the solution.
Removing them done wonders for the road course races for me and I think the ovals would greatly benefit from their exclusion too.
Not a fan of these automated caution period. It's like putting timeout breaks from ball games/sports into auto racing, that is naturally too chaotic to control
theyre great for superspeedways though
@@lukepenguinmashupsNoo they are not
@@__deebzz__ sure if you only like 100 lap single file runs
Stages should be kept but with no yellows. Not only would you be able to keep stage points, which some have grown to love, but it would allow for more in-race strategy.
It’s a good in-between to agree on. As someone who things stage racing should go entirely I can live with no stage cautions
@@ic3man Same, I just don't like the interruption.
The only problem with this is that I don't think Nascar will do it. The only reason they added stages was for the scheduled cautions. That way, they can have guaranteed pauses for commercials on TV and a break for the fans to buy food.
I don't see a problem with the stage breaks. These last two races with no stage breaks were an absolute snooze fest 😴
Agreed. I watch racing for green flag racing. Not for artificial cautious. They should go away entirely. Let them keep the stage points if they want.
Dale Jarrett's crash at New Hampshire in 2003 is what brought the lucky dog rule.
That incident is also what put an end to race back to the line when caution comes out rule
Yeah he almost got hit by car’s racing back to the line because his car was sitting in the middle of the track
Change the point system to something between what we have now and the Winston Cup style system.
If you still want to do a playoff format fine. But drivers who have done well all season should carry more points into the playoff.
If they fall apart the door is open. If they keep it up they win. And I’m totally fine having a guy just have to finish 22nd in the final race to be champion regardless of what anyone else does.
They would have earned that with consistent performance.
At this point, I'd consider it a win if they just went back to the original 2004 Chase format with only 10 drivers getting in on points and racing for 10 straight races. No additional points resets, no "Win and You're In," from 20th in points to make it into the playoffs.
However, keep the stage points, bonus points for wins and bring back bonus points for leading laps. And the points leader after Race 26 should get a generous bonus as well.
The lucky dog rule wasnt about freezing the field. It was put into place when they decided to change the restart rules and not have lap down cars restart on the inside. It's to still give the lap down guy the chance he would have had if he restarted in the front of the field.
No it was because of Dale Jarrett’s wreck at New Hampshire and just about getting plowed down because of racing back to the line .
@@kharnthebetrayer1575 this is why they changed the rule about racing to the line not why they added the lucky dog. They added the lucky dog specifically when they changed the restart rule with the lapped cars going to the tail end.
@@smokeymchaggis73 2003 the same yr for the Jarrett crash…
During the 2003 season, to increase safety for the drivers, NASCAR banned racing back to the yellow flag after the caution is displayed. While this has increased safety (safety crews can respond more quickly) the rule contains a special "beneficiary" or as it's more commonly known, a "lucky dog" provision.
Nothing for the rules is anything close to what you posted.
You’re thinking of the wave around rule, which was put into place when they moved to double file restarts
Get rid of stages all together, get rid of the double yellow line rule at SS, and get rid of the playoffs.
Have a reverse points system where 40th gets 1 point, 39th gets 2 points, etc. up to 11th place getting 30 points. Then increase point increments in the top 10, so it puts emphasis on good finishes (similar effect to F1).
5:40 Let's also not forget that Martin Truex Jr. was 4th in regular season points a year ago and still missed the playoffs.
Instead of win and you're just make wins worth say 5-10 more points than 2nd. It'll still make wins extremely valueable but keep the playoff field more competitive. The only reason I want that change is because technically Ty Dillon can still get in the playoffs.
Hot take: the points system would be great if four things happened. 1. Win and your in is gone. 2. Chase gets cut down from 16 to 12. 3. Get rid of stage cautions. 4. Getting rid of the points reset in the playoffs. I feel like the elimination format would be no different then having a chase because drivers would be eliminated anyways after a couple of races and it would give the bottom drivers urgency to race well.
I like your thinking. I also feel like a multi-race final round would be really beneficial where the four drivers race against each other at four different track types.
*you're
So basically 2007 rules
Love everything about this, though I'd argue for 10 drivers making it in instead of 12. However, I would just live with it if all of the other changes you proposed were implemented.
I remember when they started double file restarts. I remember how simple of an idea it was but to me it felt like a brand new sport. Blew my mind the first couple of races. I hate when Nascar suspends a driver and then grants them a playoff waiver. I also hate that it all comes down to 1 race. I feel like if they are going to do things the way they are doing it now it should come down to the final 3 races and whoever has the most points out of the final 4 should win.
Go back to the original Chase playoff format.
Get rid of stage breaks. Period.
Keep the DVP clock but give the teams more time (15 minutes).
I love how Corey Heim fell ill, missed a race, got a waiver and still won the regular season title in Trucks regardless 🤣🤣 kid has big potential.
I hate the dvp rule. If you can repair your car and get it back on the track you should be able to compete. Even if it is for 35 position, maybe even better depending on DNF’s of other drivers.
It's the Matt Kenseth rule.
The problem is there used to be a ton of more debris cautions because cars would be falling apart on the track, now there are very few debris cautions.
@@CantingWall3286 I have seen Kyle Busch’s car tore all to hell, repaired and come back to win the race. If that was now he would have had to park his car.
Win and you're in was pretty good with the gen 6 but with the gen 7 12 drivers are winning barely leaving open space for the people pointing there way in. We saw it with Blaney and Truex last year and almost This year with Harvick and Keselowski
The playoffs have ruined the entire point of racing the entire season to win the cup. The fact someone who’s dead last in the points can win there way into the playoffs is bogus. Nobody 16th besy at week 26 should suddenly be capable to win the big Apple. It just doesn’t work.
@@johnhaas2523 It's also supposed to be a sport.
@@johnhaas2523 winning is winning. If you ain’t first your last. Sports are meant to be entertaining for the spectator but for the athletes/drivers it’s about being the best out there and being rewarded for it.
@@jwrailve3615honest and fair sport is entertaining. Otherwise all sport would be full of gimmicks. Let Olympic runners throw banana peels on the track.
There is no logic to what you're arguing. NASCAR has a points system that gives different points for each position. If only winning a race mattered, there would be 0 points for anything other than 1st. And it's contradictory from the entire history of the sport and all other professional racing for that matter, before the playoffs started.
Using there instead of their doesn't work either.
Tony Styewart would like a word. Dude was out to lunch in 2011. Even said he would be wasting a spot if they made it....... Then wins half the chase races and ends up beating Edwards on a tie breaker. It just do work. Either that or the luster of a season long points format was already ruined before they switched to the playoff gimmick.
10-car Chase + 2 wildcard spots would be awesome with our current racing
I know it’s recent but surprised that you didn’t mention single lug nuts with all the safety concerns and the fact that it’s took away that awesome sound
I think with 'Win and you're in' it needs to be changed a bit. IMO it should be top 5 in the regular season standings auto-qualify for the chase, than rather than 1 win locks you in...make it 2 wins locks you in as we all know you can luck into a win and take a place of someone why deserve to be in the chase (then points standings for the remaining spaces as it currently is)
*I also think if you are suspended you shouldn't get a waiver. Injury I'd say yes, but suspension no
Technically, “Lucky Dog” was coined by Michael Waltrip during the truck races, and that spread to the Cup booth before Aaron’s did the sponsorship. But yeah, get rid of the rule.
the yellow line rule must go
Yes for sure
For the yellow line rule, as said in comments Jr wants it gone. Which says all you need to know. Also for the points format...
Here's my take
Bring back the Latford system, and then give the three or four crown jewel races double points, and the season finale, have something like IMSA did with their triple crown or they do now with the mini championships over the whole season, have one for SS, one for short tracks, one for road courses and so on. Indycar has done this before and still does IIRC with various trophies.
Get rid of stage yellows, give the points at those intervals but don't throw a yellow, as for the DVP, it needs tweaking IMO with the new car. If you go with a full season points format, you are going to want to get out there to get every point. NASCAR wants to have every final race be the 92 Hooters 500 which is the wrong attitude to have. That happened organically over the course of a season however, not manufacutred drama. If someone is running away with the points, then well done, they earned that title.
Oh and no charters, and no guaranteed starting spots. Imagine how big of a deal it is if chase, either one, had an issue and didn't make the Daytona 500 or came up just short in the Duels though or if Willy B wrecked in qualy at the fall Talladega race or the roval and didn't post a time coming to the wire in the season's home stretch and didn't qualify. And yes. you only get two provisionals, one of them being a past champ's one so good luck figuring out when to use it...
That's my take. I'm old school. You didn't put enough effort in or had a problem on your qualy lap? Too bad
Pretty solid ideas there, but I have a couple to share.
Double Yellow Line - Add that if a driver forces a competitor below the yellow line, said driver has a pass through penalty.
Playoff Waivers - They are fine is a driver misses one or two races because of an injury. If you miss a third of the season, there should not be a waiver.
Playoff Races - Here I'm taking a page from the MLB in 2008. All playoff races must be run their full distance. If there is inclement weather, the race is suspended and resumed the next day that weather allows it. Even though I'm a Phillies fan, I understood what Bud Selig did in '08 and I thought it was a great idea, especially for that World Series. That game was a back and forth contest and there was a chance for more of that the next day.
Had to edit to add this about stage cautions - I'm fine with them. It bunches the field back up and adds more action to the race. And like the saying goes, "Cautions breed cautions."
The Chase, With The Original 2004-2006 10 Driver/2004-2013 10 Chase Race Format, With Chase Points, Needs To Stay, And Should Never Ever Be Changed Again, Put Richmond Raceway Back On It's 9-11 Date, Put Bristol Motor Speedway Back On It's Original August Date.
The yellow line rule should never have been created in the first place. It’s caused more problems for racing than it has fixed them.
The only good thing the yellow line rule did was prevent Teresa from winning another race as a car owner in 2008, unfortunately at Regan Smith’s expense.
Get rid of Win and you're in, DVP, Double yellow line, the gimmicky playoff system and go back to either season long points or 2004-06 Chase format, GWC's, and stage yellows on all tracks
The fact that NASCAR has to modify the DVP every week and year, proves out much of a bs rule it is. If you can't keep a rule consistent, then just ditch it
I understand the point of the yellow line rule, and i understand the reasoning behind it, but in practice its done nothing to help racing, and leads to a huge chunk of the late/last lap wrecks. I think refining it to where its legal to go below the line on the front stretch during the last lap. Ive done online leagues that use rule variations similar to this, and it works surprisingly well.
Rules that should go away/change
1. Yellow line rule/course limits. This needs to be consistent. Either get rid of the yellow line rule or make the run offs at road courses out of bounds. Same with Phoenix.
2. Stage racing. If we got to have stage racing, get rid of the caution flags. Keep the race green and hand out points.
3. Playoffs. Ideally, I'd like to see them go away completely. However, if they must stay, cut down the number of drivers eligible. Top 10-12 in points should be the only factor.
A video I am planning on making in the near future is the Top-10 Worst Trends in NASCAR, and a lot of choices of consideration are on this list.
The Playoffs would obviously be my #1, and both the "win and you're in" rule and waivers will be addressed under this.
I know a lot of people don't mind it, but i want the overtime rule gone. That number means something, it's the daytona 500, not 510 or 515. The race ends under yellow? Too bad.
My opinions:
Double yellow line: It’s fine but needs consistent stewarding
Lucky Dog: Yes should be kept, keeps things interesting and helps guys who maybe had pace but went a lap down to a tyre or something. It’s NOT race over if you go a lap down!
Stage Yelllow: I hate it, give out points sure but don’t put out the yellow on ANY circuit
DVP: Yes keep it, but tweak it so time starts and ends at your pitbox NOT yellow line-yellow line
Elimination: Keep it BUT change it to be entirely points based
Win and In: Get rid of, EVERY year since 2014 someone 17th or lower has gotten a fluke win and usually get’s knocked out in the first round anyways
Double file restarts: Yes keep, no explanation needed
Track Limits: Bit of a joke but stateside the consensus seems to be “if it’s grey it’s okay” soo for me idc
Revenge attitude: I dunno what the solution is but something does need to be done
Playoff Waivers: If you miss 1-3 races that’s one thing but there should be a hard limit of races missed! Switching series is also completely unacceptable, you commit in Daytona and no changing
Personally, the DVP clock has been a good rule. It's cheaper for the teams and cuts down on payback wrecks and other obvious race manipulation.
For the Lucky Dog, I could see modifying it only to effect cars one lap down AND only at Road courses and 2 mile Speedways or longer
The yellow line rule has created a situation where there is no reason to avoid contact coming to the line because the most often situation is the 2009 Dega race between Edwards and Kesolowki. There is no punishment for running through a guy, 1st place blocking just ends with them in a fence.
Reagan smith did the only reasonable thing in the moment and was punished for it in 2008.
It's why I also like them not having track limits at the road course, you see the mess that the yellow line policing causes for everyone involved.
The repair clock and the stage flags can also go away. Nascar has lost all it's teeth as an endurance series. 500 miles is a mountain to climb and we've taken away the tenacity of people running hard, licking their wounds, and getting the most that they can out of a day. I love hearing that these drivers are tired after the road courses this season.
Being said, the lucky dog is there for a reason. It diminishes the fight to stay on the lead lap and moves it away from the race leader. That has helped keep people from parking it in front of the leader and is one of the few shining examples of better sportsmanship in the modern era.
The waiver and the playoffs come hand in hand. I think it cheapens the experience but if nascar wants more engagement and entertainment the numbers don't lie.
Letting damaged drivers be moving chicanes is contrary to the point of an long endurance filled race.
The most damming moment for playoff waivers was when Grant Enfinger in the 2021 truck season was in a position to be in on POINTS but was denied because he missed one race due to not having a ride, it's an absolute joke considering all the ridiculous things they give waivers for.
@@johnhaas2523 exactly my point as to why its stupid, they give waivers to guys that aren't old enough to race half the season in trucks/xfinity, why is that more deserving than a guy that can't get a ride for one race?
I can accept the reasoning to not allow a win get you in the playoffs when missing races, but there's no reason to nullify someone who made it on pure points because they didn't run all the races.
Everything you mentioned, that's what need to be changed. If viewership and ratings continue to decline in the final 10 races, mind as well change back to full season points or original chase format with some tweaks. Double yellow line is stupid. It done more harm than what it intended to do. Stage yellows is dumb. Something what we never should have if we fixed the current car.
What you didn't mentioned is the GWC. It destroyed more cars and still finish under yellow in some races recently.
I really like the double file restarts
The stage cautions burn laps to the 2nd and final stage. Up to 6 or 7 depending on track/situation. Either don't count the yellow flag laps or get rid of altogether hopefully the latter
My opinion
Yellow line rule: abolish
Free pass: keep
Stages: abolish
DVP: keep, but increase the time to like 10-15 minutes
Elimination playoffs: abolish
Win and you’re in: abolish
Double file restarts: keep, but if it gets too wacky, go single file
Mostly having no track limits: keep
Drivers having to stay quiet about revenge: keep. Bubble Wallace and Chase Elliott tried to lie, but failed because they got suspended which they deserved
Playoff waiver: abolish
I’m gonna talk about the things not in this video
GWC: make it one, two, or three attempts. Unlimited attempts can get way to wacky
NASCAR should get rid of no locking bumpers for trucks in Xfinity as well
The two that I have issues with are the Lucky Dog and the Crash Repair time.
Sorry but I'm old school when it comes to getting your lap back, with the L.D., there is no incentive to use pit strategy to work at getting it back, no "freebee's".
The Damage Clock, give the teams a chance on making the necessary repairs, with these new chassis, when you bend a rod in the rear or related components, let them go to the garage and attempt to fix it, they may come back many laps down, but you're giving them a fair chance. When it comes to wrecked bodies and panels, if they won't let you replace it securely, you're done, we've all seen cars come back with 100 pounds of tape and pieces falling off, I agree we can't have that, unsafe for the drivers & fans.
Get rid of the line rule, get rid of stage yellow (stages itself and stage points can stay), get rid of win and your in/advance (playoffs itself can stay at least for now, just have it purely on points instead of wins), get rid of the DVP (too many cars end up out of the race too soon due to a broken toe link or 2 for example ruining a chance for a better finish due to attrition). In addition to that, I would say bring back the old bonus points to go alongside stage points, so a bonus point for leading a lap and another point for leading the most laps and perhaps have a point bonus for winning the pole also.
I think we should go back to a season long format but maybe make the last 10 races special by making the winners of those 10 races get extra points. Could make for some great Championship comebacks. Artificial yes but could be interesting and make for competitive racing
Yeah for sure the last 10 race could probably be double points races and see how it works out.
1: line rule, do away with, atleast on straights
2: lucky dog, stay
3: stage yellows, stay
4: DVP, needs to go or be extended and permit garage visits
5: Playoffs, I never saw anything wrong with the older chase style. I would like to see it go back to a form of the chase
6: win and in, needs to be adjusted. I like it in a way, but I think switch it to like either certain events or first x winners and let the points play the rest, no reason for a top 25 car to get lucky and take a spot away from a guy that was going to point their way in that was actually consistent
7: double file, stay
8: no track limits, change, Not penaltywise, but maybe a natural limit, like how sand traps used to be. Maybe a thin strip of gravel or slicker track out of bounds. available for use, but high risk vs reward
9. Revenge talk, needs to go. Let them create their own drama and rivalry. I hate hearing the b.s. excuses.
10: playoff waiver, GO! with maybe some VERY specific circumstances. Honestly, both Elliott and Bowman (fan of both) should NOT have gotten a waiver.. Both could've pointed their way in even after missing out technically
Yellow line: Agreed with this, although I was like "you're good usually, but if there's a car on the apron then it's a problem".
Lucky Dog: I think it's fine, gives drivers lower down something to fight for.
Stage yellows: Get rid of them and keep the points, but I'd say to keep them in the back pocket as a contingency plan for a track that has issues with the racing product but you can't get rid of it.
DVP: No reason to keep it, I'll make a compromise that if you can't fix it in the time they aren't out but they have to go back to the garage to complete the repairs.
Elimination Playoffs: Honestly I'm fine with it mostly (look down), at this point I don't really care what the championship format is.
Win and You're In: Yeah, no, at this point it practically makes points worthless by the end of the regular season, if you just get rid of WAYI I'm good with the playoff system currently.
Double File (Shootout Style) Restarts: Honestly I enjoy having lap cars on the inside, gives them something to fight for like the lucky dog, and with the wave around the dumb stuff can be kept to a minimum, I'm good with either, but not a big fan of single file zero frills.
No Track Limits: I think on the inside it should be curbed, I don't think driving corners with halves of two wheels on the curbing like we see at COTA should be a thing, but track extending I think is fine.
Quiet about incidents: I do think there needs to be some more reigning in, more than has already been done, get rid of the need for explicit intent and give lesser penalties for obvious intent wrecks at slower tracks. (I still stand by that if Hamlin was penalized something for blatantly wrecking Yeley at Richmond the incident with Chase wouldn't have happened) Letting the drivers settle things themselves is good in theory but it has gone way too far.
Playoff Waivers: I agree, injuries for a week or two is reasonable, but other reasons, no, they have to get in on points if they can. This wouldn't be a problem if Win and You're In is gone and it's just top 16 (or whatever) and wins just give you bonus points to be used in the playoffs.
My takes:
Yellow line rule: scrap it, it has failed in every way. It amazes me that they haven’t yet.
Lucky Dog: I like it, heck I think IndyCar should have it.
Stage yellows: absolutely not. Keep the racing going, don’t interrupt the race. I do like the idea of mid-race points though
DVP: abolish it, it makes no sense why they have it
Playoffs: get rid of it, we are the only league in the world (to my knowledge) that has this sort of system, and ratings haven’t gone up
Win and you’re in: I already said abolish the Playoffs, so…
Double-file restarts: I think it works, and I think the choose cone helped fix it, although if they were to go back to single file, I wouldn’t mind
Track limits: unless it’s blatantly obvious someone is cutting the track, I don’t want to see this
Revenge: what NASCAR is doing right now is perfect in my opinion, suspending drivers who really, really take it overboard
Playoff waivers: I already said no playoffs
New amendment to DVP, you have 25 minutes which starts once the front bumper (or what's left of it) hits your pit box and you have to make minimum speed within five laps once you finish your out lap (exit pit road on lap 30, 5 lap timer starts at the beginning of lap 31).
The line rule is saving drivers from themselves. Image racing below the line and causing a massive wreck tring to get on the banking, look at daytona 500 2001, there were alot of dangerous moves racing below the line
The lucky dog was dubbed in its first race, jimmy spencer in the 7 sirius car with the dog on the hood. They said he was one lucky dog when he was the first to automatically get his lap back, and it stuck
I feel like a 10 race case with the current playoff points would be the best for everyone, and we could have the top 10 locked in PLUS any winners. You'd have the 10 best, but also anyone who wins, so we could see a field of 11 one year then 22 the next.
I hate stage racing because of the stage yellows. I don't mind the DVP clock because it prevents cars from going back on the track and causing more cautions. Maybe go back to the chase instead of the playoff thing they have now. I also agree the chase grid should be smaller. I'm old school so I would rather them get rid of the playoffs all together.
"Lucky Dog Rule" is older then even the Aaron's Sponsorship. I'm certain it came from Darrel Waltrip when they first started the rule. Then it was convenient when Michael got the Aaron's partnership a year or so later. Then Aaron's was everywhere for a couple years.
And looking it up, one source says it was Benny Parsons instead, and yea it was later in the season with the broadcast switch or just the following year in 2004. They ended racing to the line mid-season, or towards the end of the season I believe.
It began in 2003 and I think Wally Dallanbach was the one who originally coined the phrase since Jimmy Spencer who drive the Sirus sponsored car had a dog on the hood was the first or one of the first drivers to get their lap back via the rule.
*than
@chuckfinley4757 Is the grammar correction really necessary for this argument? In short, what does bad grammar have to do with the comment in general? I'm just curious about that.
@@stephenholloway6893 Yes, it is.
@chuckfinley4757 OK but why did you think it was necessary to do so?
In regards to playoff waivers, if we keep this format I'd say the waivers should be changed to where the only way a win locks you in is if you are in the top 16 in points at the end of week 26.
1: Yellow line is for Safety purposes, but it can be modified… slightly. If they cause a crash, automatic penalty. If they go under intentionally and improve their position, let it be a case by case basis, with exceptions for avoiding crashes and being Forced/unintentionally going under the line. (I.E. avoiding a wreck, What Dale Jr did at Dega in 2003)
2: Lucky dog: Keep it.
3: State Yellows: Drop the Cautions, but keep the stage points idea.
4: DVP: drop it
5: Playoffs: Go to a season long format.
6: Keep it if it’s 12, if not, Drop it
7: Double File: Keep it.
8: Track limits (road Course): They do that too much, hard to enforce.
9: give the drivers more leverage, but not all out. Not true have at it boys, but a more modified version have at it, but keep within Reason.
10: with no playoffs, it’s a non-issue. It’s a De-Legitamized. Keep the injury/Bereavement exception if it’s only a few races. But not if they miss 1/3rd of the season or are suspended for any race.
Literally all my ideas as well other than the last one. I still feel that if it’s an injury from a NASCAR sanctioned event, like a death in the family, or illness they should be given. Not for injuries not from a NASCAR race or whatever
My biggest change to the playoffs would be to go from one championship race to a series of 3 races with the points leader of those 4 drivers being the champion
What Kyle Busch did in 2015 should be considered one of the greatest performances/comebacks of all time. Considering Chase Elliott will end up missing less races and still it looks like he is going to miss the playoffs all together let alone win the championship like Kyle did. What he did that year was simply amazing
Thanks you first person who thinks like me
it was amazing on kyles part but it shouldn’t of been allowed to happen
@@MoonRacing23 I disagree but I see your point
@@GlizzyBeans respect
@moonan9012 there are some still nice people in the world
4:15 my head has deleted that image 😭😭😭 and you remember to me lol
I like the waiver rule. But there are two things I think should change with it. first of all if you get suspended, there should be no waiver. You commit an action to get yourself suspended therefore you shouldn’t be in the playoffs. Second drivers should be limited to one waiver a season.
My opinion the yellow line rule and the lucky dog rule need to go away. Also I agree the win and your in needs to go away. That’s the biggest flaw with this playoff format and was exposed in 2020
The thing about track limits is that cars were never designed to go beyond them and still impact the wall at a safe speed. If you blatantly ignore track limits like IndyCar did at CoTA in 2019, you could end up with a situation with a car reaching a marshal station/ safety vehicle much faster than they would otherwise. In the above example, Marcus Ericsson lost it in T20 and from the replay you see a recovery worker go hauling ass out of a portajohn. It may sound stupid, but track limits are there for a reason. Grass is a good idea if there is a problem. Just putting it out there.
How about swampy grass for track limits? You go in and you face the consequences of it.
@@LadyAnuB exactly. Just make sure the tow vehicle doesn't get stuck :)
@@W123KartSport A good crane can serve that purpose
Nascar needs to get rid of win and you advance in the playoffs and playoff points don't carry from round to round
I think NASCAR should get rid of stage cautions for all tracks
They say the Double Yellow Line Rule is suppose to make Superspeedway safer when in reality it has not only done the exact opposite but also unleashed a Pandora's box of controversy which is why it needs to be abolished
"done the exact opposite " is a bit of an overstatement and not really provable.
Double yellow: I would keep it, but not for the reasons one might think. You are a driver, having the skill to keep the car inside the lines and/or out of the grass is your responsability. In every track you should remain inside the lines or, at the most, with two tyres inside the line and two on the kerbs... Doing the opposite is assuming that Peter Griffin owns Nascar. Any decent racing division in the world doesn't have drivers going all the way out with intent. What Regan Smith did in 2008 is known in any other track of the world as an illegal shortcut. And I liked the punishment for wrecking the field.
Stage points: can be kept, or turned into a tie breaker. Example: two are tied in points, first tiebreaker is most wins, second tiebreaker is the positions on the stage. I would get rid of the stage yellow though.
Restarts: I would get rid of the lucky dog. This is a good rule to put big team drivers that happen to be behind during that day back into some form of contention. Restarts can be single file, but in the order of positions. 1st starts 1st, and so on. But I really like the double file starts.
Chase or Playoffs: I really don't like either format. But I think, if we return to year round counting of points, that there should be a stipulation to be a champion: WIN at least one race. I saw many fans saying that they want consistency to count and, for that, they would accept a winless champion. That is outrageous, if you can't win, you're a sorry a**, illegitimate champion. And remember: Xfinity had a winless champion 10 years ago, and trucks had a winless champion with playoffs as a rule 6 years ago. Cup came close in 2014, but Kevin Harvick won.
About the waivers, any argument by me is a bit damaged, since I don't support the Chase or the Playoffs. But if something like the 2015 of Kyle Busch happened, let him try it, system or not his run was incredible. If he can win and reach the battle for the championship, it's his merit.
Driver revenge: I don't have a problem with that. Let the drivers settle their disputes. Like Verstappen and Hamilton did it in Monza 2021, or Senna and Prost in Suzuka 1990. Minimal interference by the governing body to actually avoid disputes, because racing is made of that.
DVP: not a fan of. If you can come back to the track, alright. But if you put a car that has parts coming out all over the track or is extremely slow and this causes any crash to someone else, you're parked the next race. Or at least coming out of the pits.
I don't like stage yellows much either. Junk those.
As far as your yellow line suggestion, it's hard to imagine the penalty there as being worth much due to the damaged vehicle protocol coming in anyway, although it would be karmic catchup on someone who does get away with it. Still, in a way that yellow line rule is NASCAR's version of the track limits debate that goes through other bodies as well, so it's tied up with that too. And yes, I get an earful from my father whenever we watch a road course race and they're using the track limit of 'any non-vertical hard surface is in'.
I like the DVP. It only encourages revenge driving to have damaged cars out there.
I think for the playoffs if you can make it on points then you should make it. Like Grant Enfinger a few years ago when he missed one race but was in the top 10 in point. He was running the 98 and 9 that year. That should be the only way you get a “waiver” is if you can make it on points
I Only Started Watching Nascar In 2014 So All I've Known Is The 16 Man Chase Format But It Would Be Fun To Go Back To The Old System 😂
If nascar is going to keep doing so many road course then they need to learn to officiate a road course race, they need to make slow zones instead of full course yellows and if a driver misses a chicane or corner it is absolutely stupid to make them come to a complete stop and then go, let them give the spot back or get a penalty. But the full course caution is probably a American thing, because that’s what makes indycar “so exciting” they have about 5 full course yellows to bunch everyone up unlike Europe where it takes a huge incident to bring out a safety car in something like GT3
I cannot stand stage cautions. I hate them. i also hate the DVP
Local yellows on road courses should be used. It could speed up caution laps.
I disagree. It would cause another situation where NASCAR has to make another judgmental decision. Also several track workers have been injured and killed in local yellow situations
Honestly a 16 driver playoffs is great because it allows some lesser teams to get organizational and sponsor exposure
That’s probably one of the at most 5 positive aspects about the playoffs compared to the loads of negatives
#3 I'd be ok altering stage yellows. It could go away at road courses, Pocono, talladega, and daytona but it's needed at short tracks and 1.5 miles. My argument is the last all star race. Once Larson got to the front it was brutal boring.
#4. Get rid of the clock and make the minimum speed higher. Also add more parts that can't be removed.
#5. Get rid of win and in. If you win you still need to be in top 16 in points.
The thing with the All-Star race though is the short track package is garbage. That's really what hampered the All-Star race
Literally just bring back the Winston points system, lol...
With the lucky dog rule I think all drivers who are a lap down should get 1 lap back. Just one lap. People argue that there won’t be fighting for position and people won’t fight as hard but there’s no guarantees that another caution will come out so they have to push as hard as they can regardless.
3:51 with the DVP clock if a car can pull away on its own power then they shouldn’t be forced to retire. That’s what lemans do and it works great
4:40 the playoffs should go away entirely! I’d rather have a runaway deserving champion than a driver who won mainly because of gimmicks rather than them deserving the championship. Also get rid of the 5 point gap between first and 2nd and award consistency over wins
I never understood why they got rid of the bonus points for leading a lap.
@@johnhaas2523 I mean I guess.. but the 10 for each lap provides more opportunities for more drivers to try different strategies.
@@PaperBanjo64 yeah that sounds right. I couldn’t remember if it was 5 or 10. My bad.
Agreed with the playoff waiver my driver was Tony Stewart as much as I loved watching him race he didn't, deserve to be there his last season also his last couple of years not all that impressive so I do feel like he was taking up a spot.
DVP is the rule I hate the most, and this videos explains everything, why did NASCAR thought was a good idea beyonds me.
No stage yellows, don't punish drivers for what they say, only if it's dangerous payback like Carl Edwards did to Brad K at Atlanta or Chase to Denny at Charlotte, and don't give waivers unless it's an injury that occured in a series the driver is running for points in
For the playoff waivers, I’m mostly fine with them but I absolutely think they should NOT be giving to drivers who were suspended.
The track limits do actually need to be enforced. Not enforcing them breaks the track design and breaking zones so it basically eliminates passing opportunities. Watking glens would've been more competitive with track limits enforced.
If they change the lucky dog rule I think giving everyone a lap or more down 1 lap back. Everyone 1 lap down is now on the lead lap making for more drivers in contention for the race and everyone more than 1 lap down is that much closer to the lead lap. Obviously drivers that are out of the race completely don’t gain a lap back but those still on track racing why not?
Get rid or whatever rule prevents them from having pit limiters. I watch to see who can drove the fastest, not who can hold it at 34.999 mph without going over.
Here’s what I’d do:
- Yellow Line Rule: abolish, it causes more harm and more chaos
- Lucky Dogs: keep, it’s actually fair and it gives friends a chance for a better finish or win
- Stage Yellows: abolish, it ruins good racing
- DVP: abolish, it encourages sloppy repair work and unfairness. It cars can’t run, just park em. If the cars can run with decent amount of repairs, let them run
- Elimination Chase: abolish, Motorsports shouldn’t be ball sports and WWE on wheels. It encourages more danger. The excitement is not natural, it’s forced and predictable. Plus ratings for the chase has been down since 2007. So just axe it completely. Make the entire season matter. Best driver of a season wins regardless if there’s championship battles or dominations. Being back legitimacy and fairness!
- Win and You’re In: abolish, what is there to say? It’s stupid. Same opinion about the chase.
- Double File Restart: I’m not sure, to be honest. The problem is that drivers show no respect at all. At the same time it is fine. But if a race and restart is too chaotic, make ‘em go single file.
- (Mostly) Having Track Limits, I’m not sure. Yeah it’s cool that it’s fun and makes the racing exciting and it’s hard racing, but at the same time, it looks silly and unprofessional.
- Drivers Having To Stay Quiet About Revenge: keep it, let drivers deal with it on pit road post-race and not use their cars as weapons (like wrecking) like a bunch of cowards. Give them penalties if they say something and do something wrong on track when they actually do their revenge.
- Chase Waivers: abolish, same opinion about why the chase is bad. Chase Waivers is just giving a child a toy even tho they didn’t earn it. It’s just stupid in general.
Not in the video:
- GWC: abolish, the race should finish at race distance at all-yikes.
- Locking Bumpers (Trucks and Xfinity): abolish, pushing bumpers at Daytona and Dega is somewhat more dangerous than locking bumpers. Tandem racing is cool.
Thanks for the video, Jaret!
The locking bumper rule has caused more xfinity cars to flip in the most disturbing ways possible so just remove it
@@KevinHarvickisnothappy4 I see whatcha mean. Don’t get me wrong, I know why it’s a thing, I don’t disagree. But I feel like pushes cause issues at times too.
But locking bumpers as a penalty is honestly stupid, in my opinion. No one should go to the back or serve a penalty on pit road for locking bumpers.
So what can they really do if locking bumpers and pushing cause issues? Let the air do the work?
Your guess is good as mine
@@KevinHarvickisnothappy4 (also nice bio)
After the Watkins Glen weekend where the entire field went off track,yeah I support the track limits.
@@DrSamwpepper yeah it may look “exciting”, but it does look silly
Abolish the double yellow line on the straights
playoffs shouldn’t be win and you’re in, but instead top 12 in points no matter what.
Playoff waivers shouldn’t be a thing but if you make it in on points despite missing races that’s ok, you raced in.
One rule I don’t like is closing pit lane at the onset of a caution or with 2 to go in the stage. Pits should stay open unless there’s a legitimate safety reason to close them.
I know this isn't a rule but something that's controversial is "too many road courses". 1st, don't blame the track, blame the car for racing product. 2nd, Indy and fall Charlotte can easily flip back to the oval. 3rd, road courses don't suck and NASCAR shouldn't be limited to ONLY race on ovals.
Get rid of stages altogether. A 17th place driver can get the same amount of points as the race winner. That's just messed up.
I agree on the waivers only on track Nascar race sanctioned injuries, legitimate illness and family situation (FMLA type scenarios) should be the ONLY possible reason for a waiver. And maybe reduce the number of races a driver could miss as well regardless of situation.
I think a true playoff, bracket style format would be interesting. No playoff points, regular season champ bs etc. The highest 16 eligible drivers in points seeded 1 vs 16, 2 vs 15 just like the NCAA. Three races the driver with the most points in each pairing move on to the next round, till you get the championship 4.
Free pass rule should be amended to the first lapped car physically behind the leader, not the first one a lap down in the serial scoring.
The others seem good, just need some fine tuning.
Stage yellows should be scaled back as it becomes evident we don’t need them. I think now we can go without them at Pocono and Indy but Richmond I feel still needs them.
My opinion on each rule in this video
DYL: Remove the rule.
Free Pass: I like this rule, keep it
Stage cautions: throw it in the trash, it slows the pace down too much and all for artifical entertainment
DVP: another rule that screws over teams with even the most minimal damage. Get rid of it.
Playoffs: this is the worst part of Nascar. Entirety luck based and can easily destroy someone's season with one bad race.
Win and you're in: if the playoffs stay, at least get rid of this and have it just be the top 10 in points.
Double file: keep it.
Track limits: depends on track: for Watkins Glen for example, have track limits in turn 1.
Boys have at it: enforce it better. It just going to cause everyone to kill each other.
Playoff waiver: only give it to people with injuries if they qualify.
No More Stage Cautious At All Tracks
Get rid of the dvp clock, but if you can't keep medium speed. They don't need to be on the track
The only rules I don't like that much are the stage cautions and the end of the playoffs. Take away the stage breaks because it ends up everyone goes to the pits all at once because they plan for the cautions there. Imagine this weekends race at Daytona, if there were no stage breaks. There wouldve been 200 green flag laps in a row and more strategy when it came to pit stops. Much more excitement I think. Then the end of the playoffs are just alright. Im fine with elimination, but the 1 race final seems lame. 4 drivers whoever does the best wins is just anticlimactic. Maybe have 8 drivers and 4 races. The end of the regular season is much more exciting than the end of the playoffs.
The double yellow line rule needs to be abolished. Regan Smith won at Talladega in 2008 and no one can tell me otherwise. Get rid of stage yellows entirely. They break up the flow of the race and diminish the interesting strategies that teams employ. Just award the top 10 points at a certain lap and keep racing. No harm in that. The DVP is ridiculous. Get rid of it.
So right on with all of these! Yellow line and waivers are both complete BS....I can understand why they have the DVP but I always did like seeing the busted up cars running around earning max points.
Yellow line rule: ban it
Lucky dog: keep it. The battles for the lucky dog have been great part of the races
Stage Yellows: depends on the race
DVP clock: the worst rule that’s been created. Needs to be updated or abolished completely (Kenseth Kansas 2017)
Elimination Playoffs: abolish it. Make to where wins get a ton of bonus points and make bonus points for other things like laps led, qualifying on pole, fastest lap, etc
16 cars in the chase: doesn’t change much of anything tbh if it were changed
Double file restarts: keep it as it is unless a weather situation occurs
Track limits: needs to be changed and have track limits imo
Revenge: we need boys have at it again. More rivalries BUT we need to penalize the drivers who constantly put people into the wall and drive dirty aka Denny Hamlin, Chastain, etc.
1:40 TBH if they go down there in the first place and wreck the field, then they probably just parked themself anyway
What about a Delaware restart rule? Double file, but leader has front row to themselves
Honestly. We should race back to the caution. The safety gains from it were negligible at best. And 2003 was already safe enough. So they didn't need to be rid of it anyway