Yeah, and then you read actual mythology and learn just how much of a douchebag Zeus really is, how in actual Greek Myths he was arguably the worst god there is (he certainly is in my opinion), it really is an uncomfortable experience.
That is quite a good way to put it. Zeus and most Greek-god-fathers were amazingly terrible. Kronos ate all his children in fear of them replacing him soooo yeee
Great video, thank you. I've read the entire myth of Heracles quite recently in Robert Graves' book 'Greek Mythology' which gives a bit of insight into the backgrounds of these myths. I found it very interesting that his life and deeds (same as for example the myth of the Argonauts) are basically an ancient recollection of Greek extending its trade into regions that were considered 'the end of the world', where many of Heracles' famous Labors take him. I also didn't know that the famous golden apples of the Hesperides were actually citrus fruits which the ancient Greek's were not yet familiar with, except through trade with far away regions. And his extensive number of children colonizing big parts of Greece can be interpreted as a recollection of the Dorians spreading over Greece who used his myth to justify their claim to rule. Definitely an incredibly interesting thing to study in detail.
Thank you so much for sharing this origin myth! I also learned that having twins from two different fathers is possible through heteropaternal superfecundation. The more you know! 🙃
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I was really into this video. I could have listened to you for hours explaining this bit of mythology, can't wait till the next one. I was always fascinated by mythology, regardless of where in the world it came from, when I was growing up. I enjoy the amount of detail that you put into these.
The first 1,000 people to use this link will get a 1 month free trial of Skillshare: skl.sh/thepersonalphilosophyproject03221 DISCLAIMER This video was produced by a random student on the internet who loves reading, especially about ancient history and classics. The purpose of my videos is to make classics and ancient history interesting and accessible to everyone. It is important to highlight that I am not a professional or qualified educator, “expert”, historian or classicist. However, I ensure that all the information I use in my video scripts has been collated from numerous credible sources, which I will link in the description box if accessible online. I always work my hardest to deliver thoroughly researched and reliable information in my videos, but please always conduct additional, independent research to formulate a thorough understanding of any topic discussed. Additionally, I am dyslexic, and I will mispronounce words throughout this video, sometimes without realising it. This is not ill-intended or stemming from willful ignorance, and I do make the effort to research how to pronounce words before I start filming, but I often misread my phonetic spelling. In light of this, please do not rely on my video for an authoritative or reliable source of how to pronounce certain words.
Yesterday, after living in the US my entire life, I learned that acknowledgement is spelled acknowledgment here. Today I learned that I've been saying Hercules wrong all this time too. It's too much
Mentions Perseus as Heracles' great-grandfather, does not mention that Perseus was a son of Zeus via Danae (who he visited as a "shower of gold". Always been suspicious of that one... ;P), just for a bit more 'ick'. :)
"12 Pease, Ciceronis De Natura Deorum II 1053, collects Greek and Latin references to the Egyptian Herakles. In Hdt. 2.42-43, Herakles is almost certainly Chonsu, the son of Amon-Re and Mut at Thebes, and possibly also the sky god Shu: A. B. Lloyd, Herodotus Book II: Commentary 1-98 (Leiden 1976) 194-195 & 201-202, who points out that the two were often conflated. In Plut. De Is. et Os. 41, 367D, in contrast, he seems to be a sun god: Gwyn Griffiths, De Iside 457-458." [Phrygian Tales, J. B. Rives]
Love the video. I will probably re watch it. To be honest I get confused with names . I think this video may have benefitted from a family tree drawing. ( Nothing fancy literally a poster board). Thank you for your hard work.
It should be noted that the Heracleidae (which claimed descent from Heracles) was a historically attested dynasty that ruled a number of Greek states, including Sparta and Macedon (Alexander the Great was a Heracleid). I would strongly suspect that the stories of Heracles were preserved by this dynasty and were the basis of its claims to divine origin.
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Ok, the Greeks of the Classical Period claimed that the “Herakles” that they talked about were actually three different people whose acts/legends merged. I can figure out two, Herakles Prince of Tiryns who performed the Labors, and the Lakedaímōn …, well the polis that held Sparta, version that founded (fathered) the Dorians. Who am I missing?
In the version I heard of the fit of madness, Heracles took one of his children for his club and beat the others and his wife to death believing them to be Minyans.
One moment, thank you for the very informative video, but I am curious about medusa, I know her story, probably, wasn't she a commoner priest of Athena's temple? Or is there another medusa in the actual history?
Correct me if I'm wrong (or I'll go find the source later), but I remember one myth explaining Hera's wrath against Zeus' lovers and offspring rather than Zeus himself stems from an attempted uprising by Hera and several other Olympians. She drugs him, and while he's asleep, they tie him to his throne and attempt to force him to take up their commands. And probably to stop raping people, I'd imagine. He's freed, and shows mercy on the other Olympians. But Hera, he strings up from the clouds in golden chains and hangs anvils from her feet and beats her. In the end, she agrees never to go against him again. But she's still pissed whenever he cheats, so she takes it out on his flings and offspring. Not saying she's right, but frankly... Girl needs therapy and a safehouse. And Zeus needs to fill in for Uranus in a reenactment of the Cronus confrontation. I'm just sayin'.
You realize that Dyaus Pitar (aka Zeus Pater) is a fertility god (what do you think rain is, water? Try god semen, fertilizing the earth). Remove his fertility and nothing reproduces.
Really good, but why didn't you mention his name as "Alcaeus" and the myth he changed it to placate Hera? I know it's all mythology and not every story is considered canon, but I always liked that bit and it makes his name make at least a bit of sense.
That’s not always in every version of the myth. Usually it’s he was named Heracles to appease Hera being a bastard child and all. Didn’t really work, though, did it?
Hera's anger towards the illegitimate children of Zeus is probably an extension of her divine role in the Hellenic religion more than a misdirection problem Hera is broadly mischaracterized today with vastly to much weight given to her status as a god of marriage. Hera's authority over marriage was more like an extension of her core themes of legitimacy and sovereignty, something best shown by her role in the Trojan war When Hera, Athena, and Aphrodite are bribing Paris for the golden apple, it's Aphrodite who offers Paris the most beautiful woman in the world while Hera offers to make him to ruler of all Europe and Asia This strongly implies that Hera's authority over marriage was an extension of her core themes of legitimacy, specifically with regard to property and inheritance, rather than the principal concern of her divinity It follows then that her hatred of the bastard children of Zeus is less about misplaced anger and more a matter of them representing a tangible threat to the concept she embodies
How I love your mind Cynzia! I am now painfully aware of how much you're masking, so any time you want to drop any of that, you'll make viewers like me more comfortable, just so you know. It's fascinating how mythological patterns repeat - Heracles plays into Irish and British mythology (my SI) very strongly, so yeah, another half an hour of you talking about Heracles is going to be an absolute joy! Thank you so much :)
"The great Epic of Ancient Chaldea is know as the Izdubar Legends, dating fully 2,000 b.c., & many of the scenes & adventures related in it are represented as taking place in the forests. The tablets recording the Epic were discovered by the late Mr. George Smith in 1872, & he was of opinion that Izadubar, who was a mighty hunter, was Nimrod of the Bible. It has long been recognised that the adventures of Herakles (Herculus) in Greek mythology was simply a copy of those of Izadubar which was brought from Babylonia to Greece by the Phoenicians." [The Forest: In Folklore & Mythology, Alexander Porteous, 1928/2002, p. 18]
4:41 wait you mean Heracles is a heteropaternal twin?? Damn. I didn’t realize that was actually a thing in Greek mythology when I was watching Blood of Zeus 😂
@@CinziaDuBois - Thanks for clarifying. What would have happened according to my misunderstanding would have been too messed-up even for Greek mythology.
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I've always understood that Hercules is the Latinised name from the Greek Herakles (Heracles) depending on the author. Even if the Roman Hercules was a different myth originally his attributes of the lion skin and club caused him to be identified with the Greek original. As I learnt my Greek mythology from Robert Graves' work I've wondered if his interpretations are still accepted today or has he fallen out of fashion in classical studies?
14:20 "I don't want to bore everyone with that long a video..." Hahaha... what an amusing notion. Now, stop being silly and tell us everything.... everything!
I remember reading that the most unrealistic aspect of Disney's Hercules was that Zeus was portrayed as a good parent.
If they had tried to show Zeuses true nature it would have horrified the children hahaha
I would say making a son of Hera was an even bigger blunder
Yeah, and then you read actual mythology and learn just how much of a douchebag Zeus really is, how in actual Greek Myths he was arguably the worst god there is (he certainly is in my opinion), it really is an uncomfortable experience.
@@walterbanegas1365 You say that as if every God wasn't a complete scumbag.
That is quite a good way to put it. Zeus and most Greek-god-fathers were amazingly terrible. Kronos ate all his children in fear of them replacing him soooo yeee
Great video, thank you. I've read the entire myth of Heracles quite recently in Robert Graves' book 'Greek Mythology' which gives a bit of insight into the backgrounds of these myths. I found it very interesting that his life and deeds (same as for example the myth of the Argonauts) are basically an ancient recollection of Greek extending its trade into regions that were considered 'the end of the world', where many of Heracles' famous Labors take him. I also didn't know that the famous golden apples of the Hesperides were actually citrus fruits which the ancient Greek's were not yet familiar with, except through trade with far away regions. And his extensive number of children colonizing big parts of Greece can be interpreted as a recollection of the Dorians spreading over Greece who used his myth to justify their claim to rule. Definitely an incredibly interesting thing to study in detail.
I love your story telling ability. Thank you for your rendition of the Heracles myth. Looking forward to the 12 trials.
Thank you so much for sharing this origin myth! I also learned that having twins from two different fathers is possible through heteropaternal superfecundation. The more you know! 🙃
I just found your channel today, and I'm binge watching you now! Your voice is so soothing, and the content is fascinating.
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I was really into this video. I could have listened to you for hours explaining this bit of mythology, can't wait till the next one. I was always fascinated by mythology, regardless of where in the world it came from, when I was growing up. I enjoy the amount of detail that you put into these.
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This video was produced by a random student on the internet who loves reading, especially about ancient history and classics. The purpose of my videos is to make classics and ancient history interesting and accessible to everyone. It is important to highlight that I am not a professional or qualified educator, “expert”, historian or classicist. However, I ensure that all the information I use in my video scripts has been collated from numerous credible sources, which I will link in the description box if accessible online. I always work my hardest to deliver thoroughly researched and reliable information in my videos, but please always conduct additional, independent research to formulate a thorough understanding of any topic discussed. Additionally, I am dyslexic, and I will mispronounce words throughout this video, sometimes without realising it. This is not ill-intended or stemming from willful ignorance, and I do make the effort to research how to pronounce words before I start filming, but I often misread my phonetic spelling. In light of this, please do not rely on my video for an authoritative or reliable source of how to pronounce certain words.
It is so exciting to see you stepping out and living out this creative dream. Look forward to seeing more of your videos and learning more as they go.
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These mythology videos are super interesting and well-done, thank you!
Your videos are a nice and educational treat after a long day. Love it!
Yesterday, after living in the US my entire life, I learned that acknowledgement is spelled acknowledgment here. Today I learned that I've been saying Hercules wrong all this time too. It's too much
Loving your history and myth videos! They are such a delight and your narration fantastic
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I listen to your 12 labors the other day; now I'm coming back to watch the first video.
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Mentions Perseus as Heracles' great-grandfather, does not mention that Perseus was a son of Zeus via Danae (who he visited as a "shower of gold". Always been suspicious of that one... ;P), just for a bit more 'ick'. :)
Ooooh a Heracles video! Cannot wait to binge through it!
I hope you enjoy! It's a two-parter ;)
Every time the word “Heracles” resonates with your velvety voice, I swoon 🥰. Thank you so much for these, can’t wait to watch them over and again
Love this! Can't wait for part 2!
"12 Pease, Ciceronis De Natura Deorum II 1053, collects Greek and Latin references to the Egyptian Herakles. In Hdt. 2.42-43, Herakles is almost certainly Chonsu, the son of Amon-Re and Mut at Thebes, and possibly also the sky god Shu: A. B. Lloyd, Herodotus Book II: Commentary 1-98 (Leiden 1976) 194-195 & 201-202, who points out that the two were often conflated. In Plut. De Is. et Os. 41, 367D, in contrast, he seems to be a sun god: Gwyn Griffiths, De Iside 457-458."
[Phrygian Tales, J. B. Rives]
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Panic: "Hades is going to kill us when he finds out what happened!"
Pain: "You mean IF he finds out!"
11:08 I cant get out of my head a group of yellow minions meeting Heracles in ancient Greece 😂
😂
Love the video. I will probably re watch it. To be honest I get confused with names . I think this video may have benefitted from a family tree drawing. ( Nothing fancy literally a poster board).
Thank you for your hard work.
Wikipedia for either Herakles or Perseus (cannot remember which and too lazy to check at this hour) has a great diagram of this on their page.
It should be noted that the Heracleidae (which claimed descent from Heracles) was a historically attested dynasty that ruled a number of Greek states, including Sparta and Macedon (Alexander the Great was a Heracleid). I would strongly suspect that the stories of Heracles were preserved by this dynasty and were the basis of its claims to divine origin.
Do you by any chance follow "Let's Talk About Myths, Baby"? She is going through the Heracles story right now and the timing is just neat
Stop it she's not! Liv and I follow each other on Twitter, but I've been trying to stay away from her work so as to not clash (hence why I put off my Atlantis video because she was doing that series). We're clearly too similar 🙈 She's so on it, I think it'll be impossible I don't clash at least once with her.
@@CinziaDuBois If it makes you feel better, she *just* covered his death today, so you only overlapped a little ;-)
Great video!
I enjoyed watching. It seems impossible to track without a scorecard. Did the different variations originate in different areas?
"Hera had an anger orientation issue.." That's an understatement. And sadly, it's one that too many men and women indulge in.
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An intelligent woman who clearly has a passion for the subject and a great deal of knowledge, which makes for really enjoyable videos.
Dear God Greek mythology gives me a headache!.....Thanks for that 😱
Ok, the Greeks of the Classical Period claimed that the “Herakles” that they talked about were actually three different people whose acts/legends merged. I can figure out two, Herakles Prince of Tiryns who performed the Labors, and the Lakedaímōn …, well the polis that held Sparta, version that founded (fathered) the Dorians. Who am I missing?
In the version I heard of the fit of madness, Heracles took one of his children for his club and beat the others and his wife to death believing them to be Minyans.
One moment, thank you for the very informative video, but I am curious about medusa, I know her story, probably, wasn't she a commoner priest of Athena's temple? Or is there another medusa in the actual history?
I love Greek mythology but i literally needed get a piece of paper and make a drawing to understand the family "tree" of Heracles mother...
Correct me if I'm wrong (or I'll go find the source later), but I remember one myth explaining Hera's wrath against Zeus' lovers and offspring rather than Zeus himself stems from an attempted uprising by Hera and several other Olympians. She drugs him, and while he's asleep, they tie him to his throne and attempt to force him to take up their commands. And probably to stop raping people, I'd imagine. He's freed, and shows mercy on the other Olympians. But Hera, he strings up from the clouds in golden chains and hangs anvils from her feet and beats her. In the end, she agrees never to go against him again.
But she's still pissed whenever he cheats, so she takes it out on his flings and offspring. Not saying she's right, but frankly... Girl needs therapy and a safehouse. And Zeus needs to fill in for Uranus in a reenactment of the Cronus confrontation. I'm just sayin'.
You realize that Dyaus Pitar (aka Zeus Pater) is a fertility god (what do you think rain is, water? Try god semen, fertilizing the earth). Remove his fertility and nothing reproduces.
@@Egilhelmson Cool. That has literally nothing to do with my comment. But carry on.
Sorry, where's the link to the other video?
It’s not up yet - this only went up a couple of hours ago 😅 I upload twice a week
@@CinziaDuBois ah makes sense, I thought it would be uploaded at the same time.
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Really good, but why didn't you mention his name as "Alcaeus" and the myth he changed it to placate Hera? I know it's all mythology and not every story is considered canon, but I always liked that bit and it makes his name make at least a bit of sense.
I heard people started calling him "Heracles" as a nickname, because his strength came from the milk of Hera's breast.
That’s not always in every version of the myth. Usually it’s he was named Heracles to appease Hera being a bastard child and all. Didn’t really work, though, did it?
Hera's anger towards the illegitimate children of Zeus is probably an extension of her divine role in the Hellenic religion more than a misdirection problem
Hera is broadly mischaracterized today with vastly to much weight given to her status as a god of marriage. Hera's authority over marriage was more like an extension of her core themes of legitimacy and sovereignty, something best shown by her role in the Trojan war
When Hera, Athena, and Aphrodite are bribing Paris for the golden apple, it's Aphrodite who offers Paris the most beautiful woman in the world while Hera offers to make him to ruler of all Europe and Asia
This strongly implies that Hera's authority over marriage was an extension of her core themes of legitimacy, specifically with regard to property and inheritance, rather than the principal concern of her divinity
It follows then that her hatred of the bastard children of Zeus is less about misplaced anger and more a matter of them representing a tangible threat to the concept she embodies
I always wondered why most people with the last name Hercules are from Hispanic, South African and West Indian Guyanese?
wooo! I wanted to ask if you could make videos like this a while ago! 😊
I heard there was another video?
How I love your mind Cynzia! I am now painfully aware of how much you're masking, so any time you want to drop any of that, you'll make viewers like me more comfortable, just so you know. It's fascinating how mythological patterns repeat - Heracles plays into Irish and British mythology (my SI) very strongly, so yeah, another half an hour of you talking about Heracles is going to be an absolute joy! Thank you so much :)
Isn't Perseus to the Persians what Mars is to Latins?
I notice no ads before your videos. Did you demonitize???
No. You just probably didn’t get any ads 🤷🏻♀️
@@CinziaDuBois now I see ads again! I always try to watch instead of skipping them to make sure you get paid! Love your content!! ❤️❤️❤️❤️
"The great Epic of Ancient Chaldea is know as the Izdubar Legends, dating fully 2,000 b.c., & many of the scenes & adventures related in it are represented as taking place in the forests. The tablets recording the Epic were discovered by the late Mr. George Smith in 1872, & he was of opinion that Izadubar, who was a mighty hunter, was Nimrod of the Bible. It has long been recognised that the adventures of Herakles (Herculus) in Greek mythology was simply a copy of those of Izadubar which was brought from Babylonia to Greece by the Phoenicians."
[The Forest: In Folklore & Mythology, Alexander Porteous, 1928/2002, p. 18]
Fascinating video, as always! I love learning about the Greek myths and seeing how the ancient texts differ from current interpretations
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4:41 wait you mean Heracles is a heteropaternal twin?? Damn. I didn’t realize that was actually a thing in Greek mythology when I was watching Blood of Zeus 😂
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Medusa was Perseus’s granddaughter? That means that Perseus killed his own granddaughter before ever having kids?
No no different Medusa. This Medusa (also known as Astymedusa) becomes Oedipus’ second wife.
@@CinziaDuBois - Thanks for clarifying. What would have happened according to my misunderstanding would have been too messed-up even for Greek mythology.
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The first thing that pops in my mind when royal marriage is mentioned , regardless of any royal line, is inbreeding.
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I've always understood that Hercules is the Latinised name from the Greek Herakles (Heracles) depending on the author. Even if the Roman Hercules was a different myth originally his attributes of the lion skin and club caused him to be identified with the Greek original. As I learnt my Greek mythology from Robert Graves' work I've wondered if his interpretations are still accepted today or has he fallen out of fashion in classical studies?
Impreginating 50 women in 7 days can not be possible, there must have been an IVF type god thing back then.
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You missed some important information. Especially about the Nemean lion, which was his first labor
I didn’t at all - it’s a two part video. The 12 labours will be a whole other video. The lion mentioned in this video is not the Nemean lion
14:20 "I don't want to bore everyone with that long a video..."
Hahaha... what an amusing notion.
Now, stop being silly and tell us everything.... everything!
Hercules is Latin, Heracles is Greek, as I understand it.
yeah, that’s what I said.
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In Roman myth. In Greek myth, the original tale, it's Herakles
@@CinziaDuBois Yes ma Lady of course 😁