That time I stopped using sidespin
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- Опубликовано: 7 фев 2025
- When I switched back to stock shafts, I had a hard time getting used to the increased squirt. So I eliminated it for a while.
For. A. While.
This was a temporary thing. I've gone back to using sidespin like an actual pool player.
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You were in extremely good focus in all areas around the table, especially close up. I concur with everything you said in this video. I'm about the same age as yourself and I too remember being taught that inside spin will "help" a ball go into the pocket. Also, Earl Strickland almost never hits a shot without some sort of spin on the cue ball. I believe that you are a good shooter and I would estimate that your Fargo (if you have one) would be approaching 700. Most definitely in the 650 range.
Thanks. I just eyeballed the focus in the camera's preview screen for this one. I've since found out that the camera has a "focus assist" function that turns the part that are in focus red.
They've got me at a 650 last time I checked. Just word of mouth from people who know me. I don't think I've ever played in anything that does Fargo. I usually think 650 is a little low, but that might just be my ego still thinking it's 1998.
i am more surprised this man said "although it sounds like a mrbeast intro, it is not a mrbeast intro"
I dunno. When I said that line, it immediately reminded me of Mr. Beast's videos.
The new equipment looks good!
Thanks. It will take some getting used to from me. I think the biggest improvement over my previous camera is that it doesn't drop frames every 13 minutes.
Good video and funny you made this/brought this up. Im an old school wood shaft player and The last few months I’ve been trying to use no side spin on some shots here and there just to see what happens and on ones that I would normally use spin as all my shots have some type spin. I only use center ball maybe 1% of the time. The crazy thing is when I set up with just top or low with no spin it feels so strange lol. One thing I noticed from when I first started playing to now is why I now could no longer bow the cue ball with follow or draw like I did when I had only been playing for a few years after I started playing when I was young. I found that when you use side verses just a lots of top or or bottom that is when you get to see the cue bow. Kinda like a lot of force follow no side the cue will bow and more extremely noticeable when coming off a rail after hitting the object ball. Anyway I have a hard time getting myself to not use some type of side spin. They do say that top players have a problem always using side or too much side. It’s not needed as much as I use it I’m just used to and comfortable using side. But like you said we should only use it when it’s absolutely needed. Cheers
Seems to me that we're on the same page here.
Hi! Piece of advise here... When I started playing, I got the advise to only use vertical english until i got used to the shots, and then go to horizontal english (this worked great for me). But there are a lot of shots that are not "makeable" without sidespin (I mean for position, every shot is makeable w/o sidespin). To deal with deflection and sidespin, I found super useful Dr Dave's SAWS method. Basically you find the pivot point of your cue, aim center, adjust for spin and it just works.
In my case (using a 12.4 revo) at around 24cms I have a pivot point that works with FHE (Front hand english) for every shot except full power ones. For full power I use 50/50 FHE/BHE (backhand english). It just works, I don't care about adjusting aim for sidespin anymore.
High deflection shafts can be used only with BHE which is pretty comfortable to handle.
I left a comment saying the same thing. I use several different shafts and it's a good spectrum (regular maple, LD slim and revo on my bk break/jump) BHE English makes them all shoot super similar. Then learn the wagon wheel exercise and you're really off to the races! Wagon wheel is also a super charger for your game!
That SAWS stuff hurt my brain, and once I kinda figured it out, FHE was always really awkward to me, so I never used it.
@@Zigarius1123 Never tried that exercise, will try it out today, thanks!
@@davidsiltz FHE is indeed awkward, but I got used to it. BHE feels more natural, but on LD shafts (low deflection) it's a no go due to the bridge length required. Solid maple shafts are quite good for 100% BHE due to the high deflection they have.
@@argenmak Agreed!
Great video!
Thanks!
Congrats on the new camera 📷...Looks & Sounds Gr8!
I have to buy a more sturdy tripod. This camera is a lot heavier than my old one. I'm becoming quite fond of it otherwise.
Helping English is for real!
What camera and mic are you using? There are several black magics...
I agree, even if all it does it make me feel better about the shot.
Black Magic Design Pocket Cinema Camera 4K. Quite a mouthful. I usually just see it as BMDPCC4K.
Microphones are PoP voice Premium 16 Feet Dual-head Lavalier Microphone. These are wired. I have some wireless as well, but I don't like them as much because they require recharging.
For me the benefit of using side spin is that it forces me to be more precise about where my cue tip contacts the cue ball. I think you mentioned in a previous video that even though we may intend to hit the cue ball somewhere along the vertical axis it’s actually quite hard to avoid adding some unintentional side spin. Using intentional side even if it’s very slight can help to avoid this I think.
@@keworder I have definitely talked about that. One of the first real pool lessons I ever got was to never use the vertical or horizontal axis, to always pick a quadrant to hit.
Using spin makes shots more difficult, and it increases your mobility of the cue ball. Table conditions will play a role as well when trying to acclimate to your spin usage. Dirty balls, humidity, and slow cloth can all change the throw effects enough to cause errors. Using spin will require more practice time and conditional acclimatization time. I would say the most prudent strategy is to use it when you need it and/or when it is beneficial. Everything you learn is just another tool in your pool vocabulary. It is like a language.
Sometimes I can combine sidespin and squirt and throw and they all seem to cancel each other outm but that's usually more luck than skill.
I used to play pro tournaments in the 1980's. I recently came back to the game. I have a real problem making a ball without "english" spin. It's on my 3" x 5" card of things to correct. But damn, I shoot every shot with spin. I'm working on it. Gotta get that long 8 foot shot with no spin.
Heck, if it works for you I wouldn't worry about it. I only did this experiment of mine because spin wasn't working for me very well when I first switch back to stock shafts.
I use back hand english for almost any english shot and it makes all my cues shoot pretty much the same. The difference is when i go extreme with it (anything over 1 tip ) is where it really starts to produce variation. Besides that, is learning the wagon wheel exercise. Then you have extreme confidence in spin and angle. My cues are a dale perry custom regular maple shaft, lucasi LD slim on a LCZ21 and also revo shaft on bk rush. There is size variation and also wrap and no wrap on those. Many small differences auch as the bk is a break with the hard ass finale tip.
The wagon wheel exercise that I learned was to put a bunch of balls in a circle in the middle of the table, put the cueball inside that circle, then shoot the balls without letting the cueball leave the circle. Is that the exercise you mean?
@davidsiltz No but it's similar, in the sense you're playing position off of spin. It's from Dr Dave billiards, a video called wagon wheel and man it's just awesome
Predator Z shaft on an all wood Joss butt. El Natural & the way to go imo......
Never used the Z shaft. I would bet that, like most Predator products, you could get a good one or a bad one.
@davidsiltz Yep. I had to send one back. They still haven't replaced Ron The Pool Dudes warped Z shaft yet. That's crazy