Should We Buy This Super C Motorhome? -- 2021 Renegade Verona Test Drive & Walk Through
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- Hi everyone and welcome back to another video. In this video we want to ask the viewers "Should we buy this Renegade Super C Motorhome?" We take you for a walk through and test drive a 2021 Renegade Verona and tell you what we think about it. For a full review and test drive of this same unit, check out Jim's RUclips Channel linked below (@RV Concierge.) Subscribe to our channel below:
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Sorry the long response coming, but I get really get excited talking Super Cs! Of course, my answer is YES! If you want to travel the country and truly be comfortable on any road, in any condition, at any speed, and going up or down the steepest grades then there is nothing that compares to a Super C. We bought our Verona at Dylan's after the 2018 Hershey Show and we will never own anything but a Super C again. We RVed all over the country for 10+ years in a gas RV before we bought the Renegade. Our gas RV really had worn me out. I was tired of fixing everything all the time, fighting the wind and passing semis (even with every suspension upgrade I could bolt on), and crawling up the slightest hills and burning the brakes going down mountain passes (no matter how much I downshifted). The Renegades are not cheap, but we got a good show discount. Also, with the TRUE commercial truck chasis, engine, and transmission designed to go 500,000 miles working hard everyday and Renegade's build quaility, you can truly run this around the country for 15-20 years.
I'll do the Matt review and give you the three things we love the most and three things we would change:
Things we love:
1. Power and drivability: We set the cruise at 70 with our F150 in tow and the RPMs barley move on a 6% grade. It will take an 8 or 9% grade for it to even want to shift down to 5th. Handles a 30 MPH cross wind no problem and you don't even feel passing semis (on the rare occation a semi is able to pass you!). It may not float like a luxury diesel pusher, but the airbags in the back take out the bumps and I like the springs in the front for a truer feel of the road and when cornering downhill. To me it rides like a luxury pickup.
2. The Renegade is as comfortable camping at the fancy RV park as it is way down a dirt road on BLM land. Having the quiet 8000 diesel Onan generator, 150 gallons of water and a 75 grey and 75 black, we have found that we are skipping RV parks and going out for longer trips to more State Parks, Harvest Hosts, and remote locations.
3. Servicibility: I can do all of the maintenance in my driveway. If you can do basic maintenance (which I know you can), then the Renegade is as easy as maintaning as a diesel pickup. Buy fluids and filters in bulk and save hundreds/thousands vs. taking it to the service center.
Bonus: The Cool Factor! No mater where you go, everyone wants to talk about the truck. You also get lots of thumbs ups drving down the road, even from commerical truck drivers.
Things we would change:
1. We would replace the carpet on the slide. It's not too bad, but I wish it was a continuation of the floor or that type of flooring that is in the Airstreams.
2. We like that there is no propane onboard, but don't like that you have to be plugged in or have the generator running to use the induction cooktop.
3. You have to fill the two 50 gallon fuel tanks separately. I struggled with this for the first 6 months and was intimidated to go into the truck lanes at the truck stops. Once I started using the truck lanes, fueling is a breeze. I also signed up for the TSD fleet discount fuel card that lets me pay at the pump in the commercial lanes and saves me on each fillup. I paid $1.92 a gallon at a TA in Jersey on our way home from our last trip. The price at the pump was $2.88. I get 9 MPG at 70, 9.5-10 if I keep it under 65.
Thanks for sharing all that info. We were very impressed how it drove. Very solid handlers 75mph with no problem. We would probably want a cascades and tandem, but we are looking very seriously at Super C’s, MJ loves them.
Izzy
@@EndlessRVing Izzy, The Cascadia is amazing. A couple of things to keep in mind: 1. Price is a couple hundred grand more for the Cascadia I believe. Renegade puts the same components and quality in the Verona. Unless you are going to haul around 15,000 pounds all the time, then I believe the M2 has all the power/cargo capacity you need. 2. Height. At 12' 6" the height of the Verona is a concern of mine sneaking into all of the cool State and National Parks and BLM lands and even several of the campgounds we love to go to. I have had to manuver around/brush some branches and obstacles, but have made it. I believe the Cascadia is 13'6" and there are at least a dozen places and sites that we have fit the Verona that I believe we would have been shut out of at 13'6". The Cascadia is a BEAST though. You will be King of the Road!
@@markgauthier250 all valid points. Thanks for sharing. I would have to see interior space of both units 45 foot on cascades vs 40 foot on m2. Either way we would likely purchase used which would put a cascadia in our budget and one on an m2 below our budget.
Thanks for the insight.
This has the nicest interior of any Super-C I’ve seen yet. Many are very industrial looking. I’d think this one might work for you guys 👍
😃 We'll see! - MJ
Thank you Izzy and MJ nice look and see on this Class C. Very nice job on the driving of one of those.
Thanks Sherri. An absolute dream to drive! - MJ
It is one of those times, "If you have to ask how much you can't affordit." It isThanks for the look see. great.
LOL Thanks Tom! - MJ
I don't know how I missed this video when it first came out! Renegade and/or Dynamax Super C's are my dream rigs. I felt so empowered seeing MJ drive it! So my answer to this question is YES! Yes y'all should buy it!!! :)
Thanks for the feedback LeeAnn
Izzy
Two of my favorite RV you tubers!
Thanks for the kind words Escotto
Izzy
@@EndlessRVing You guys are so pragmatic. Interested to see what Super C you choose. I am limited to a true King bed since I am 79" tall. :) Renegade quality seems really good but I can't deal with a 74" "King" bed. Leaning towards Dynamax. Seneca and Entegra are also on the finalist list.
@@ophirpass we also toured the Dynamax the same day. Renegade is definitely a step up. Good luck on your search.
Izzy
Hello Izzy, MJ, and Jason!! THAT looks like a great ride!! You can bring many kitchen sinks with that load hauling capability. It also looked like it was not lacking in pretty much any amenity inside. You would be able to visit us here in the San Juan mountains of CO very easily in that rig! The 4000ft climb heading south out of town would seem like a bunny hill in that thing. Thank you very much for highlighting this rig; as well as exposing us to Jim and his RV Concierge channel! Safe travels!
It drove like a dream Alan. Thanks for watching and the comment
Izzy
I’ve been looking hard at Renegades. Definitely on my list. Great video guys
Thanks Big Redd
Izzy
What a gorgeous unit with some awesome features on it. Thanks for sharing
So tempting! :) - MJ
We haul what seems like a bunch of stuff that gets stored in the cargo bays so Class C for us.
MJ you are rocking it! What a beautiful rig that you guys are checking out. Renee and I both say "YES" to buying a super C motorhome 😊 That's an awesome feature at 06:13 . Truck has that as well, it also allows vibrates in the seat on either side that you are veering off the road. The technology they are coming up with these days right!? Great work as always Izzy and MJ! Much love from the Hanks family - Kyle and Renee
Thank you guys. The super C’s drive like a dream. We really like them.
Izzy
Woo! have watched many of Jims videos and did not at all recognize him without his hat and glasses!..lol.. Love the Renegades go for it!
LOL Yep there he is under the disguise! :) - MJ
That’s got a lot to like and I’m convinced that a Super C is inherently safer than a Class A. I’m still very impressed with several of the Newmar features like the Aquamizer shower, comfort drive, and the flush-fitting tile floor on the slide-outs. I don’t know if Renegade has any of those.
It all comes down to how MJ & Izzy feel about it, not what anyone else says.
No flush floors I believe Newmar super C’s have that feature. For use the simple slide system is more attractive because fewer problems. Thanks for for watching and the comment
Izzy
You were near me!! The Verona is beautiful and has everything I WANT and NEED!!!....except the price! What did you think about driving it? You were less than 5 miles from me! Great video.🙌
Mary it drives like a truck. The handling and feel was far better than our rig and DP’s we have driven.
Izzy
Endless RVing....wow! Better than your rig?! Is this what you are getting next?
For out west in the Idaho area, check out IWS Sales for the Renegade brand, their video's are excellent. If I could buy a Super C this is the place I'd go even at the distance I live from there
Izzy watches those. 👍 Thanks for watching, Gary! - MJ
Yes! Getting mine next spring. 45 foot classic. Working with Ben, and he is awesome!
Nice rig, it will be interesting to see how this compares to the Showhauler.
Showhauler is a better build coach in our opinion, not to say Renegade is a bad coach.
Thanks for watching.
Izzy
Super cs are very nice. We saw them at hershy last year.
They ride like a dream. Thanks for watching.
Izzy
Definitely my next RV . Better start saving now . 😂
We love them.
Izzy
@@EndlessRVing
me too
Hope you guys buy one
Is it in the drive way yet ? Sweet Super C,You know I am a Huge Fan !! Super C all the way !!!
LOL Not in the driveway. You will definitely know when something is coming. :) - MJ
With a C you cannot get into the nicer RV Resorts. Not being a snob!
@@winsto221I don’t need or do I want anything to do with those snobby resorts !
You can’t beat a super c, we love ours
We really like them.
Izzy
A beautiful rig!
It’s was awesome.
Burgundy/Gold color sure is pretty 🌻
You guys should not get this because it is not as nice as your bay star and no bigger bed for Jason.
Thanks Feline! Did you see that HUGE bed? 😂 And it was really nice. :) - MJ
So what would you prefer super c or class a?
It’s a hard one. They both have features we like. The storage in the Super C is not good. The safety on the Super C is much better. We still have more A’s to try out.
Thanks for watching.
Izzy
I'd like a Super C if I needed to haul a stacker with their towing capacity.
I think if you guys keep driving all these different coaches your going to bring something new home soon. 😁
You may be right!!
He should take the stupid diaper off his face.
NJ law mandate.
@@EndlessRVing Ah.. okay. It is only enforceable if we all willingly comply. Wish there were a way to get people to not comply.
Nice rig! Did you put a down payment?😉 Fellow retired le here.
Congrats on retirement and I have 4 years before we upgrade/retire.
Izzy
If you don’t need a 45 footer, the Verona is a great option!
The classic model are 45 feet!!
Thanks for watching David.
Izzy
@@EndlessRVing Classic is Renegades “ShowHauler” per say. Customizable, and they have a flat back vs the nicer look back cap BUT gives you an extra foot interior space and IWS Sales does something different with the cab top and gives me an extra foot inside also...so total of 2 EXTRA interior feet for living space. Also the Classic uses a Detroit engine and has. 2 YEAR virtual mechanic so if an engine light comes on you get an email of what it means and how to resolve it and more. To answer your question, I think “Classics” go from 38 to 45 ft.
@@davidhannan2023 if we were shopping for a “classic” we would be looking at Showhauler with a Detroit dd15. In our opinion it’s a far superior build over Renegade for several reasons.
Thanks for sharing.
Izzy
@@EndlessRVing just an FYI that’s what the Classic has 👍 from IWS. They also sell Showhaulers. Even if you don’t buy from them, their knowledge is AMAZING and tons of options that NOBODY ever talks about on videos. They have a lot of customers from the east coast. Call them up sometime and talk with Ben. I know you do tons of research and really think things through before you purchase anything, that’s why I member of your channel 👍😀
Look out Izzy, I think MJ is in love! Lol. She looked real happy behind the wheel. So did you actually. Think I saw a bit of drool on the side of your mask. Lol. Renegade sure makes a real nice rig. Definitely would be an ideal choice come the time for full-timing it. I know a couple pitties that’d love that foldout lounge, too! Hope y’all are well. Hey to J-Man. Troy
Oh we loved driving it! And yes the puppers would love that couch. J-man says hi. Hope all is well. 👍 - MJ
What are the price points please?
Msrp 389k
I love the Renegade Super C’s. I want one with the mid bunk to be able rip it out and put my work space in there. Lol. Great review and tour.
It’s a great rig! Perfect for a home office. Lol We sent you an email, so let us know. 👍 - MJ
Great job on the review and test drive. I really like that Renegade and the floor plan.
It was pretty sweet. Thanks for watching guys.
Izzy
I would go for the renegade XL with the twin axle,If I was buying
Thanks for sharing. If we were looking at the XL price point we would likely choose Showhauler.
Izzy
Our 2020 Verona DOES have the Girard awning.
Thanks for sharing.
Izzy
Renegade is probably the top but you may check out the Dynamax DX3 RB. We really liked the layout better - it felt bigger and the rear bath was amazing. They also have the Dean Loucks paint design, although not for everyone. Splitting hairs, we almost got one but couldn’t find one with the overcab. Great video.
We did go on and Dynaquest XL. Very nice. The interior wood work is certainly nicer on the Renegade. Our ultimate choice would be a ShowHauler!!
Thanks for watching and the comment
Izzy
Another great video, thanks for taking us along.
Glad you enjoyed it, William! It was so awesome to drive. 👍 - MJ
Yes we love them. That will be our next rig.
Cool! They drive like a dream. :) - MJ
Nice to see mj driving the rig. Probably one of the most important safety devices to have on a rig is an alternate driver. Plus they cost nothing...........well uhm err at the time you option your rig. It would have been nice to hear more of your thoughts on driving the unit.
Yep, it's SO important and we talk about that very thing in our recent driving video. Here are more thoughts. It was AMAZING! It was smooth, tight, and just a pleasure to drive. Also, it wasn't as loud as wee thought it was going to be. We were both absolutely loving it. Can't wait to test drive some more! Thanks for watching. :) - MJ
Nice
Thanks for watching and the comment Tim
Very nice! Did they offer you a good deal?
Let’s just say there are not many deals to be found in 2020. Not the time to buy for a savvy consumer.
Izzy
Lf. You. Enjoy.
👍
Likes: 1) Serviceability. These are trucks and there are truck service centers EVERYWHERE.2) Drivability. 3) Million Miles . These engines would last the rest of my life. If I could afford one I’d get it!!!!
Agree with all your points
Izzy
You should have at least gave us the msrp. Just a ballpark price.
That information is easily attainable on Renegade website.
Thanks for watching
Izzy
YES! BUY THIS! I want a Classic, but am not yet ready. IF you buy this I can learn thru you guys. I also want to get up to Dylans (from DE) to drive one. But not until the masking is overwith.. Show more Renegades and Showhaulers Please!!
We do like the classic although we would probably go with a ShowHauler if we were in that budget range. Thanks for watching.
Izzy
Air brake endorsement needed?
Not in NJ as it is not for commercial use.
Izzy
@@EndlessRVing I understand you live in NJ . I live in Minnesota and in Minnesota if vehicle has air brakes you need the endorsement even doesn’t matter what it is used for. So my opinion is that you look at the states you plan n taking it to on your trips and see what the other states say. Cause it just may save the headache of tickets and other expenses. And if you want to pull ur ram look at seeing if you can get a bigger at least 450 hp motor I travel west a lot and see under powered coaches trying to go uphill at 25 to 39 mph I would recommend at least 500 uptown compensate the weight and mountainous terrain
This is your next RV purchase. I am in a similar position. You buy, I buy one. Hope to seek you guys in Tampa. I am a new subscriber.
Not sure it’s our next one but certainly in the mix. Thanks for watching see yo in Tampa.
Izzy
For the video at least lose the masks they’re not going to save the world and they do nothing but remind all of us of the situation that has been placed upon us. One of the benefits of buying an RV is having your own little private sanitized world where you don’t have to wear a mask. Awesome truck!
Hi Tom being that it is mandated in NJ as well as the RV dealership, we chose to follow the mandate as well as dealership policy.
Thanks for watching.
Izzy
It seems we have An AntiMasker here🤦🏽♀️
Get one...we have one !!
We would love it!
Supppeeerrrr
Hello. i like it, i need a motorhome for "Global Peace Mission" on FOC basis please. Regards.
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Those are a nice Class C and Dlyans RV has a good reputation. If we were to consider a Class C the Renegade would be on our short list. I once looked at the Haulmark Super C but I don't think they still make them. We have talked about getting a smaller used Class C to drive to Alaska next year then selling it or giving it to our son when we get back home.
If you drive one Roy you may sell that KA. Lol. Thanks for watching and the comment.
Izzy
Sweet ride. Something about a super c I like. Wish u guys luck which ever way u go. Nice to see someone taking a test drive, to show everybody. Good video.
They drive amazing Tony. We really like them.
Izzy
Sold! Very nice
Thanks for watching ans the comment.
Izzy
How much was that one???
389k
It’s funny you post this video today
Because while my wife and I walking around the overnight Rv park I said if I was to get a motor home it would be a Super C with a 1/2 ton pickup and a golf cart in its body. Oh of course after she wins the lottery 😁
LOL It was pretty awesome driving Tim. Highly recommended! Hope all is well and retirement is treating ya nice. :) - MJ
I don't know how I missed this video. Hopefully you pulled the trigger and got this one. I'm looking at these as well. They are very nice rigs for the cost.
We did not get it, but LOVE it! A Super C is definitely in our sights for our next one. Thanks for watching, Rob! - MJ
That is a fantastic looking Super C Coach! I am a fan of the Freightliner M2 cab & chassis...
Yes its a real beauty and super fun to drive! - MJ
I want the Renegade!!! We fell in love with Renegades when we were down in Tampa RV show (Jan) I believe they sold the show models the 1st day, anyway great job guys!!
They are super nice and drive like a dream.
Thanks for watching Chris.
Izzy
That is an amazing piece of machinery. I love trucks I didn't notice washer and dryer... but that is definitely a must
Yep it has a washer/dryer. RV Concierge has a full walkthrough of it on his channel. 👍 - MJ
Oh man I would love that kind of indoor storage/concierge service. Alas I’m in Chicago.
It is nice but quite expensive. Thanks for watching.
Izzy
great vid I am only 1.5 hrs away so I may shoot over there and check the super c out
👍
I've read and seen on other videos that super C ride rougher than a DP and get hotter up front from the engine - more so on mountains.
We didn't have that experience but also did't drive through the mountains. lol We loved it! - MJ
I realize the Verona you reviewed is not what we just bought. This one is a 2021 and bigger than mine. I have a 2020 34 VQB. I did, however, want to say that ours does have the Girard awning and the Garmin GPS which is removable. You had stated that these two items were new for 2021. We have had ours 3 weeks now.
I did not state that Jeff. Jim the salesman did. Thanks for watching and the comment.
Izzy
@@EndlessRVing , yes, that is true just wanted to clarify what was said. Thanks.
Very nice super c! Renegade looks to be very well built and quality components
Solid coach drove like a dream. Thanks for watching and the comment.
Izzy
Hi Gus, this is a beautiful RV. But do your research on that power train. The Cummins engine and Allison transmission are great but the emission on diesel trucks now are very expensive to repair. Check to see who will be handling the warranty work on the engine. Even though the emission system is covered under warranty I have seen trucks tied up at the dealer for weeks. This could be a problem if you are out on the road. Today the cost of running a gasoline powered truck is much less than diesel. Also consider the price of diesel fuel. Talk to owners of other Freightliner trucks To see how reliable they have been. Be safe in these crazy times.🇺🇸
Thanks for sharing we currently own a gasser and if we went diesel would probably be pre DEf.
Thanks for sharing we currently own a gasser and if we went diesel would probably be pre DEf.
UT Ohhhhh! Bitten by the Super C bug!!
Who knows LOL It's definitely in our view though! - MJ
They are awesome Blake.
Izzy
@@EndlessRVing I knew you folks would LOVE IT!!!
@@EndlessRVing MJ!! Its like driving a Cadillac, you know it!!!
@@NewVisionLCS it was awesome. I could drive that thing with one finger. 😂 So smooth! - MJ
Yes!
Thanks for watching and the comment Jaime
I think the renegade company is the best for a super C
Cool that MJ got to drive. Swapping out the BayStar??
Oh so much fun to drive. We'll see! - MJ
Nice rig, great video.
Darn, too bad it's not a
W2 112. The bigger engine would be nice for power and 3 stage engine brake.
Thanks for checking out the video. 👍
R U kidding 8.9 cummins with 1100 torque that’s a A beast as is.
Check out the Verona LE too! Some awesome high end upgrades on that model.
We also toured the LE. Thanks for watching and the comment.
Izzy
I like the new way you guys are starting the videos. Great video like always.
Thanks so much Chris! - MJ
Hey guys, how was the motor noise while driving? We have only had Class A motorhomes but very interested in a Super C.
It was surprisingly less than we expected. Some motorhomes we've driven have been louder. lol - MJ
@@EndlessRVing Tank You. That helps.
Question how come that Super C does not have a latter to get up on the roof to clean it??
Some do have them it may be an option.
Izzy
Absolutely gorgeous. I fell in love with the Showhaulers. Beautiful!!
Showhauler would be our #1 choice.
Thanks for watching and the comment.
Izzy
I like it but probably way out of my budget
It's a beauty, Peggy, but I hear ya! Thanks for watching. :) - MJ
Wow! That turned out great! Your new rig is waiting for you!!!
Thanks for the shout out Izzy and MJ!
Thanks for the tour and test drive. Driving that was a blast!! Gave us a lot more insight too into the Super C. Thanks again! - MJ
It is a nice up grade. But it is not the Essex 😁😁👍👍
LOL I was waiting for your upgrade comment. 😂😂 It drives nicer than the Essex. :) - MJ
Why no ladder to the roof?
It may be an option.
Izzy
How much does it cost?
Msrp 319k
Izzy
Is this Dylan’s in Sewell, NJ?
Yep 👍
@@EndlessRVing That’s so awesome. They are 7 miles from my house. Someday...
👍🤗
Hi does it have compression/engine braking?
Is there an option for these premium rigs with a bunk over the cab? All I see is the open area with cupboards but we need a bunk there.
I would check with the manufacturer for the options. Thanks for watching! - MJ
Super C FTW!
Yes!!!
Izzy
Was it the camera work or did y'all almost get creamed? And Hi Jason, I waved!
Hey Anne we were never in danger of crashing lol. Jason says 🙋♂️
Izzy
🗽🚌🚌🚌🚌🚌💪🎁🎯
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Naaa...
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Yes!!! Sorry, I love spending everyone else’s money😂😂
Get a two for one special and give us one. 😂 - MJ
MJ, did he mention the roof material?? I may have missed it. I assume it’s fiberglass. I know it’s Azdel in and out.
@@ourvlife1 yes fiberglass. - MJ
@@EndlessRVing 👍✅
@@EndlessRVing Izzy will love that roof.
Once you go glass you’ll never go back!!
Naw get the Renegade XL
If we get that, we may as well go with the Showhauler. :) - MJ
@@EndlessRVing True 😁
To answer your question....now is not the time to buy an RV according to a recent video I watched! 😀
We agree, they were getting close to Msrp for the rigs on the lot. Not from us lol.
Izzy
Ruined the video with the music instead of hearing that diesel run imo.
LOL
I was shocked how much thoes super c's cost..$.500-600,000...I said a naughty word...how do people have that kind of $, to drop on a R.V.
They can get pricey. Since we have both worked everyday of our lives since the age of 15 we should be ok.
Thanks for watching and the comment.
Izzy
@@EndlessRVing yea izzy I check you out you and the wife are really good and informative..me and my best friend both drive big rig trucks for different companies I told her maby in about 15 or 20 years when we retire we can get a travel trailer or pull for an outfit that transports new and used r.v.' to the customer and dealerships
@@EndlessRVing And then drive it off the lot and watch you loose a lot of money on depreciation. Not a good investment.
@@russ320 you invest in real estate and stock market. RV’s are for pleasure and fun. Thanks for watching
I feel so safe while driving this class C during 🙄🤮 Im not coming to look for on this channel ever 🤮 wow
Sarah we are trying to make sense of your comment but we are not fluent in emoji. Thanks for watching.
How can a cop afford this 🤔
Hey Mike my wife and I have worked since the age of 15 multiple jobs at a time. It’s called hard work 😉
@@EndlessRVing AMEN!!! IZZY WE HAVE DONE the same as you two for years as well we retired at 60 and love it everyday
Keep up the great videos and blessings to you
@@TheBuddyandlilly thank you and same to you. 👍
I really love the collision mitigation system - makes me feel much more secure when driving. I do prefer the Fusion stovetop/oven combo though - I love the ability to light the stove without having to use matches and kneel on the floor. A washer/dryer is essential. Renegades are the best!
They are beautiful coaches. Thanks for watching.
Izzy