People can say the 270 has “outdated” case design all day long, but I would take it over the 6.5 PRC because of smoothness of feeding and extraction. Also you can fit more rounds in a magazine since the case is skinnier. Sometimes the “outdated” knew what they were doing.
I like how everyone is on the bandwagon for these new cartridges. Everyone is for the newest BC bullets the new cartridge look etc. I would say the new style high BC bullets aren’t a good hunting bullet. Yes they may have advantages over 500 yards but when you see people shoot they can’t even shoot consistently over 250 yards. So ask yourselves is it really going to make a difference anyway if you can’t shoot. There has been more game taken over the years with the so called old cartridges.
@@ryanconger5098 For sure... but these days there is so much information available, so many tools, and so many good products that the ability to learn to shoot more precisely at longer distances has never been more accessible to anyone interested in trying... There are also new bullets that provide higher BC's without sacrificing terminal performance that can extend the ranges of smaller cartridges and existing cartridges and also just deliver more retained energy downrange with less drop and wind drift. These types of bullets are beneficial at all ranges but the % benefit does grow at longer range. Props to the Barnes LRX line of copper monolithic bullets. For example, I am using the 129gr Barnes LRX bullet in my 270WIN getting over 3050fps with a 22" barrel... and the external and terminal ballistics are VERY good. In average conditions where we hunt this can yield: 2390fps/1640ftlbs retained velocity/energy at 350m (383yd). This represents adequate performance for Moose and Elk out to a very respectable range limit. Cheers!
😃 Yes, their are lots of Reasons Why you would choose the 270 Winchester (you already named 3), some Others include Ammunition Costs, Ammunition Availability, Quality Bonded and Monolithic Solid Bullet Selection, and Heavier Bullet Weights than the 6.5's, and More Gun Options! The 270 Winchester is a "Very Sensible Choice"! 🤑
Im 55 years old and in my short life I've seen a few new whizbang cartridges come and go i started with a 270 Winchester and never needed anything different.
The .270 Winchester has no flies on it, and it doesn't need fast twist barrels and ultra heavy, high BC bullets to be an awesomely effective game cartridge. The old .270 still does what it's always done since 1925...It allows you to hold on hair out to 400 yards and take your game home. If you have to shoot out farther, there are better cartridges, but for the vast majority of hunters I'd say 400 yards shouldn't even be attempted, given the lack of skill I've witnessed over the years. 400 yards is a good poke. It sickens me to hear people throw around numbers like 700, 800, 900, even 1000 yards as if these distances are trivial, and totally acceptable to shoot at game from. I'm not saying that nobody should take a shot over 400 yards. What I am saying is that this long range hunting trend is being marketed to the masses and is spreading into the mainstream at an alarming rate in an effort to sell rifles, cartridges, and optics that are capable of performing the task. However, just because the equipment is capable doesn't mean the operator is. I've always felt that the greatest achievement in hunting was successfully taking my animal after getting as close as possible and delivering one well-aimed and humane kill shot. That's always been my goal. It turns my stomach to see videos of clowns walking shots in on animals from another zip code as if they're directing artillery fire. I don't know, man. That doesn't qualify as hunting to me.
🤠 Well Said! I Too, Am Sick of All of These "Long Ranger Hunters" Disrespecting Our Wildlife! Just the Other Day Jim Harmer of Backfire TV Reported A Controversial Story of A Mule Deer Being Taken By One Of Ron Spomers "Gun Writer Friends" That He Has Had Him Do Multiple Podcasts With - Joseph Von Benedict! Joseph and His Brother Allegedly Tagged A Young Women Hunters Wounded Deer in Utah (She Had Already Shot It Twice) After They Took a 750 Yard Shot At It And Missed! At That Distance, A 1 MOA Rifle Can Vary By 96" From Shot to Shot! 😯 People Have ABSOLUTELY NO BUSINESS Shooting At Game Animals At That Range, Let Alone Putting A Tag On Someone Else's Terminally Wounded Animal! 🤯 Some "Sportsman" He Is and A Gun Writer That Is Getting Paid To "Push This 💩", Into The Minds of New and Inexperienced Hunters and Sponsored/Paid By Businesses That Are Pushing This "Idea" Just To Sell New Products That No "True Hunter" Needs! 🙄
totally agreed! my dad shot deer, moose, and elk, very successfully, for 40 years with. 270, and the only time i went moose hunting, the moose just stood there and collapsed...but, we never wanted to "prove" the longest range, instead, patience, quiet, and game knowledge seldom required 200+ yards.
Glad you make it clear that the 6.5 CM is nowhere in the same league as the .270. Only advantage to CM is very little recoil. .270’s recoil is very tolerable. For some reason the 130 and 150 grain bullets bode well with the .270 just like the 140 and 160 in the 7mm cartridges. I know there are exceptions. Thanks for video.
As usual, another great video. If I recall correctly, while I was doing tons of research into the .270 WSM a while back, the 150gr ABLR is so close in BC that it actually rivals and often beats the 165gr to 300 and even 500yds. The .270 WSM fires the 150gr ABLR ~3150fps (3005ft-lbs), the 165gr ~3000fps (3298ft-lbs). At 500 Meters they're near identical - the 165gr beats out in Energy with 2075ft-lbs, vs the 150gr 2058ft-lbs. They have the same windage (6"), but the 150gr has less drop, 41" vs the 165gr 46" of drop. Pair that with slightly lower recoil and you've got yourself a winner! I'm a young guy and all for modern cartridges and rifles - but... a well made classic rifle is still so incredible! One of my dreams is a Ruger #1 in .250 Savage! Hopefully once the .277s have been revived (not that they were entirely gone), I'd love to see a resurgence of the .25's! It's been going on, but I'd love to see more 130-140gr options in the .25s. I'd also like to see heavier versions of bonded ullets like the AccuBond for more calibers, especially the smaller ones. .22 tops out at 70gr, .24 at 100gr, .25 at 115gr and .26 at 140gr... they can all go quite a bit heavier.
There aren't many hunting problems that the 270 Winchester hasn't already dealt with a million times. I am not shooting any animal a 500+ yds with either my new 270 or old 6.5CM (going to my daughter). Love them both.
I remember just a few videos ago I mentioned I had loaded some 160 grain partitions for my 270wsm for my winchester model 70 1/10 twist...the verdict is in today they stabilized very well shot at 100 yards 😁😁😁😁
I would think Partitions would be on the shorter side of bullets that are 160 grain, meaning traditional slower twists ought to stabilize them. It’s about the length, not weight, from my understanding.
I found some Hornady 153 ELD-X at my LGS not too long ago, so I grabbed a box to test in my .270. Shot fantastic. Just as well as my usual “pet load” using the 140 SST’s. No trouble with stability at all.
At one time I had 5 rifles chambered in 270. I never thought the cartridge was lacking in anything that I would shoot with a 270 The winchester M-70 supergrade that I bought around 1990 had a 24 inch barrel it would shoot very very well with 130gr Speer SP. @ 3180 fps and it was not a hot load. I shot lot of deer with that bullet. The same load with a Nosler Partiion 130 gr shot even better, I killed a few elk with that bullet and a bunch of Carabou in Alaska when Ilived there. I want to go heavy on bullet weight that is what a 338 Winchester is for.
I just got half MOA with the 165 ABLR. I agree that if I wanted a heavy bullet I would pick my 300 Weatherby with a 200 gr bullet. But.. still fun to shoot some heavy bullets in 270 Winchester
You have more sense than all the people that want to make a 270 Winchester something other than it is. It was made to shoot 130 to 150 grain bullets. It shoots the 130-140 grain bullets the best. It shoots flat enough for an easy 300-yard point blank zero. It's a great cartridge. If one wants long-range a 6.5mm PRC or 7mm PRC makes more sense. Some folks need a reality check. Too many people out in fantasy land.
On brownings website, the X-Bolt speed Long Range has the 270 listed with a 26” barrel and 1 in 7.5 twist. So even longer barrel!! I think you need to sell your savage 270 and get one of these new brownings to try haha!
I bought some of these bullets in 168gr. To shoot in my new Browning Xbolt Hells Canyon Speed LR 280AI. Never shot any AB bullets before. My 280AI has a 1@8 twist and a 26 inch barrel.
That’s exciting. I’ve always thought that the 276 at the crossroads is so many good things. I guess we can also think the creedmoor for inspiring positive change and other cartridges
IT got young shooters excited again and that is a very good thing. The new calibers got poeple to pay attention and rekindle interest in the art, skill!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I love my 270 winchester. I can't wait to see 100 year anniversary rifles to come hopefully in winchester m70 super grade and remington bdl savage 110 ruger. Hopefully all in wood stocks. 🤠
I've had a .270win barrel on my bolt action pistol for a long time and loved it. Worked great out to 1000 yards. I just bought a new .270win rifle that I'm working up loads for long range and hunting. What a speed demon!
Good news indeed for the 270win. I think that Browning Xbolt with the higher twist barrel is looking very good right now. Another good video. Thanks man!
Been using the 270 all my life. like you said it just works. everything falls down that's all I use here in Alaska. Going to give the 165 a go. Been using 140 grain Barnes
The new "30-06" case was an update of the 03. The 30-06 has proven to be one of the most efficient chambers. The other being the 50 BMG chamber. I really like the chambers that have been developed on the 30-06 chamber including 270. They never fail me.
The twist rate and barrel length remain paramount for getting more out one's caliber. I actually when building my 270, I did put a 26.5" barrel with a 7" twist rate and never looked back. If however it didn't work out as expected, I would have gone with an 8" twist rate. The results with a 130gr Remington bobtail, at 100 yards all rounds were less than 3/32 of an inch apart apart. Some were going through the same hole. I don't necessarily believe a heaver bullet is a solution for these 20 calibers. One thing remains constant with all calibers is, ready...bullet placement! Already taken an Elk with a .243, with the same twist rate and barrel length being the same. Something I did surprised my fellow shooters, we picked out a rock about the size of a bowling ball that had to be at least 800 yards, the way a crow flys. Oh, by the way, I was using a Leupold 3x9 by 50mm. I'll never forget that day! 😅
Sierra TGK @ 175gr. Berger EOL @ 170gr. Nosler Ballistic Tip @ 170 gr. Nosler ABLR @165gr. Hammer Hunter @ 162gr. Nosler Partition @ 160gr. Barnes LRX @ 155 gr. Agree with you, more companies will put out a heavy in .277. Suspect Speer will jump in before Hornady (Hornady doesn't want competitoin with either the 7mm PRC or 6.5 PRC). Lehigh probably last of the larger MFGR's but they're an all copper bullet so they need to keep up with Hammer, Cutting Edge, and Badlands (the latter 2 don't have anything heavier than 150gr, as of yet). Fun times for fans of .277.
🤷♂️ You forgot the 155 grain Federal Terminal Accent and the 180 grain Woodleigh Weldcore bullets, among other great hunting bullet options! MOST PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THIS, BUT THE 0.277 CALIBER HAS MORE VERSATILITY THAN THE 0.284 CALIBER, IN A WIDER RANGE OF BULLET WEIGHTS, ALREADY! Yep, the 270 caliber has bullets from 80 grains (like the 80 grain Hawk or GS precision bullet), all the way up to 200 grains! 😃 The problem is most people only "parrot" 🦜 what they have heard and really don't take the time to do their homework! 👨🏫 None the less, we are about to see many more Good Bullet Options for the 270 Winchester, as we approach it's 100th Anniversary! 🥳 I was even told, by one person the Buffalo Bore was going to be releasing a 220 grain 0.277 caliber bullet! 😯 I am not sure if that is true, however? 🤷♂️ But, I am sure that you will be able to do just about anything that you want in North American Hunting Now, with Your 270 Winchester! 😃
in my 270's, the 110g Sierra and the 110g Barnes TTSX have proven to be awesome killers out to 300 yards I have shot them. Muzzle velocity is 3300 with "Win 760 and Reloader 17 with sub-half-inch groups. I zero at 200 yards and the drop at 300 yards is 4.5", which is amazing. Deer flop. It is always shocking at how the 110g Sierra performs as you would expect non-penetration on broadside shots on lung shots, but it always penetrates. I am not a shoulder shooter.
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A closer comparison between the 6.5 Creemore with 142 and the 270 will be the 270 with 150 bullets (closer sectional density and weight) @ 2850 that carries 1384 ft-lb @500 yds /2038 FPS, Hornady SST. I'm getting 2950+ FPS using 7828 SC. No way the the Creedmore can outperform the 270 at that distance, in my opinion.
I shoot 110g Barnes TTSX with H4350 and Win 760 at 3300 fps, deer flop. Never recovered a bullet. The 110g TTSX is the same length as the typical 130g Spt BT bullets. This load seems to shoot as flat as my 220 Swift, 300 yd groups are fantastic!
Those Barnes TTSX bullets are great. I have used them in a 300 Black out 110 grains. They did not pass through because of the much lower velocity but the expansion was perfect with pedals spread for a wide wound channel. Bullet stopped inside the hide on the opposite side.
Been using a 270 Win for years, absolutely no complaints. If I need/want heavier bullets or higher velocity, I just use a bigger cartridge. The 270 and 130 bullets go together like hand and glove.
If you check the specs on the Browning X-Bolt Speed LR and the X-Bolt Hell's Canyon Max LR, you'll notice that you not only get the 7 1/2 twist but you also get a 26" barrel on both versions, as opposed to the standard 24" of other .270 Winchesters. Yet another game changer for the .270 Winchester.
I've been thinking about this for a couple of months now. A lot of conventional calibers have been feeling the heat from the new modern cartridges. What if a rifle manufacturer decided to chamber all its rifles in with and AI chamber, gave them a longer magazine, longer lead in the throat and faster twist rifling? They would still be able to shoot the standard loads but I don't know how well they would. But these would be a reloader's dream rife. I bet you they would sell more rifles. How many reloaders have all the equipment for their conventional calibers and when the rifle is shot out, feel they have to switch to a new caliber to get the modern advances. With this rifle, They would get to load heavier bullets with more powder and all they have to change is the sizing die. AI chambers don't usually allow much more case capacity, but with the longer lead and magazine, you could load heavier bullets without lowering the powder capacity. The only downside I see is that you would loose the ability to load the shortest and lightest varmint style bullet with great accuracy. The bullet jump would be horrendous. But then again you could make that up by loading longer monolithic bullets to screaming velocities. Almost every rifle maker could build a rifle that would handle most monolithic bullet weights better and that's what's hurting the conventional calibers right now. I think Browning is on to something with the faster twist 270 Win barrels. Now they should just change their chambers a little bit and they will have a winner. No new calibers or cartridges, none of the short fat stuff that limits magazine capacity. Win Win for everyone.
What you suggest is not a win for everyone. Some people like short actions and like fat bullets. And people like me will just buy another rifle. I have many standard caliber rifles and have purchased a few of the new high BC so-called long-range calibers as well. Buying another rifle to shoot a different bullet makes much more sense. Not everyone wants to shoot heavy for caliber bullets. It is nice to know what would make you happy. I do reload for all my rifles and what you suggested would be a nightmare for me.
I probably didn't explain myself clearly. Monolithic bullet are a lot longer for same weight bullet and are getting more and more popular. These can be a struggle to shoot in the older calibers. By changing the chambers slightly and going to faster twist rates it would mean a lot of the older calibers would have a better chance of survival. You would still have to buy a new rifle but would already have the dies for that caliber. If you buy a new rifle with the modern design you have to buy new dies too. @@garrytalley8009
That is awesome information, I acquired one in Remington 700 and had wondered about loading the ablr's but was leery about it , I've got a couple hundred 132 gr e-tips to play with but now I think I'll play with some heavier ones as well, thanks
Might be worth trying a few shots with those 165's through paper at shorter distances 5-10 yards to see if there is any signs of keyholing. Bullets will stabilize as they travel. Optimally we want stabilized bullets exiting the barrel. If it is taking the bullet 10 or 15 yards to stabilize it will be near impossible to find consistent groupings. I feel like this might be a strategic play by Browning to increase traction for .277 caliber, maybe leading to a bit more focus on heavier bullet options, thereby helping the market trajectory of the 6.8 Western.
🕵️♂️ Actually, since the 270 Winchester can push those same 165 grain ABLR bullets to similar velocities (You can get 2,900 ft/s with Reloader 26 out of the 270 Winchester) as the 6.8 Western (which Hodgdon says you can only get that velocity with 2 different powders), plus you can do it with less powder and recoil with the 270 Winchester (Approximately 5 less ft lbs of recoil) and one additional round in the chamber! So, it is the 6.8 Western that Won't Last! ☠ That is Why Winchester is doing this! They are "re-investing" in their "Flagship Cartridge" - the 270 Winchester - while the 6.8 Western is loosing support because the "Truth" has come out that the 6.8 Western isn't performing as advertised! ☹ Well Imagine That? 😳
@@ronlowney4700 Objectively speaking - isn't the .308 Winchesters "Flagship" today? But overall, I agree with what you're saying - the .270 Winchester being more and more suited to High BC bullets will indeed be an issue for the 6.8 Western.
The 3 Main "Flagship Cartridges" for Winchester are the 308 Winchester, 300 Winchester Magnum, and the 270 Winchester! 🤷♂️ I don't see that changing any time soon either! 🤑
That old 270 winchester has served me well enough for over 50 years. So has my 30/06s, and 280 Remington. Ain't a nickel worth of difference between the three at 400 yds. Deads dead, regardless.
I used a .30-06, Remington 721 in my early years, then switched to a 270 Winchester in Model 70 after I got out of the military. After 15 years or so, I went back to the 06. The 30-06 shooting 165 grain soft nose bullets, just killed elk faster, with more immediate stopping power. At least that was my experience. The new 165 grain bullets for .270 seem pretty interesting to me, although it also seems like you end up with a 27 caliber .30-06.
I had Bartlien Barrels build me a 270 wsm 26" with a reemer designed with a Berger 170 gr elite hunter. With RL-26 I'm getting 3190 fps at 6800 feet where I hunt elk at it has 1492 ft-lbs. If you do the math conversion.277 = The true 7mm. (7.04mm) The 7mm = .284 = 7.2136 mm
I always said the 270 win is probably the most well rounded, and most capable caliber on the market. I’ve never been on the creedmoor/prc bandwagon, because the first thing I do when a “new and improved” cartridge comes out, I compare it to the older benchmark cartridges. And all these newer popular cartridges are still not exceeding what 270 Winchester is capable of. 🤷♂️ Why spend the money on a new rifle, new ammo, all new reloading equipment when it’s no more capable than what I’ve been shooting for over 20 plus years? It’s laughable… I’m glad to see it gaining some popularity again. The x bolt with the faster twist is definitely cool! I’m interested to see how it’s going to perform. I’ll be keeping my eyes open for one of those.
The new PRC cartridges are Precision Rifle Cartridges. They are Nitch cartridges to give people more long-range accuracy. They do nothing for shorter range shooting. You can't compare apples to oranges. Maybe that is what people do when they don't know the difference. It isn't for everyone to purchase a new gun just to try one or have another especially when one's money is tight. I myself have more guns that I most likely should have but they are all fun and they all have their uses. Some for long range shooting with precision accuracy and some for hunting. But any good cartridge stays a good cartridge, and the poor ones fall on the wayside. And I have a 270 Winchester and it doesn't need tweaking shooting longer heavier bullets. The 6.5 PRC, 7mm PRC and even the 300 PRC are much better choices.
Using only 150 grain mechanically locked bullets I've killed a couple wolves, a few elk, a half dozen moose, and probably over 100 deer. Ranges varied from 15 to 350 yards, and I have no complaints. As far as I'm concerned, the strength of the .270Win has always been its ability to reach a nice compromise without much need to switch loads/ re-sight. I leave the load tinkering for my 30-06, which is generally regarded as more versatile, but IMO not as convenient.
A hunting guide in Montana has shot upwards of 20 elk with a 270 Win, every single 1 of them would run a 100 yd before dropping. This was in the early 90s. What bullet he was using? I don't know, but we have superior bullets today so that may have changed.
@@craigleibbrand7761 Pretty sure I've never had a single animal make it further than 40 yards with mine. My own findings are that deer are prone to run a bit further when shot with the 30-06, even though I know the balistics charts wouldnt agree with that observation.
The 270 may be outdated but it is based on the 30-06 case. One can get far more affordable trigger trigger time with commonly available cartridges. All these new so-called modern cartridges offer very little advantages over cartridges like the 223 , 308 , 30-06. No problem making 270 case from 30-06 case. A 260 Remington and 7mm-08 can easily be made from 308. At least for me. All these new cartridges is for the deer hunter that shoots about 20 rounds every few years. For competitive target shooter. That would be a different matter.
Also, in my 270 necked down to 6.5, I shoot the 127g Barnes long range at 3150 with R#26 with cci 250 primers, super accurate also with 52-53g of R#22. Both of these loads SMOKES a Creed in all respects. The difference really starts showing up with the 143g Hornady in the 6.5/270(6.5/06) at 3050 fps. I use a 26" barrel.
Try loading the 165gr LR in front of 61 - 61.5gr of Reloader 26 and you will see an increase in velocity. Reloader 26 was designed exactly for the ratio between cartridge capacity and bore caliber that is present in the .270 Winchester. I’ve also used it in my .256 Newton with great results.
For a 270WIN with a 1:10 twist, the Nosler 150gr ABLR is almost certainly an even better choice... There is a point of diminishing returns where the benefits of higher bullet weight and BC are too greatly offset by loss of powder capacity with the long bullet occupying so much space in the case... and with the 165gr ABLR the gyroscopic stability might be low enough to be in the range where the BC starts to erode, particulary at lower altitude and/or low temperatures... which will make ballistic performance more variable, and less predictable.
I wish I could have found the 150 ABLR. I would have gotten that bullet over the 165 ABLR. I agree that 165 is probably the heaviest bullet you would want to shoot even with a 1in8 twist
@@ReloadingWeatherby thank you for your reply here and your content in general. I recently got a very good deal on a late 1970s Sako A III carbine in .270 Winchester and want to hand load for it. This is great information.
They need at least a 1:8 twist, then they'd be perfect. [Yeah, 1:7.5 is fancy. I haven't found a replacement barrel with that.] That's the outdated part, the 1 in 10" twist does not stabilize heavier bullets at long enough range. Hornady has said the 145 gr is the optimum [read, maximum wt] with a 1:10 barrel. That tells you a lot about complaints about accuracy. All those 150 grain bullets losing their twist at long ranges did not help the cartridge's reputation. You are actually losing some stability at 150 grains. 130 grains is too light, and it's the one that damaged so much meat that they slowed the loading down. 140 is readily available and is about the same energy at 500 yards with a classic spitzer. Sierra says not to use 1:10 twist with their 175 grain bullet, and that has a very high B.C.
Just got half MOA group with the 165 gr ABLR with my 1in10 twist 270 Winchester. And the elevation that I'm shooting at the bullet won't destabilize until 1300 FPS. Which for this specific load is around 1200 yards. Plenty good for me.
No it’s not lacking.. and the case is not out dated but designed for positive feeding in combat rifles.. the heritage of 30-06..! I have to say I take that anytime .. 😊
Per Nosler's site, the 165 Gr ABLR "Requires a Minimum 1-9" Twist". I'm in Canada, so supply is hard to find, but I found a place that might sell me some... I don't yet reload, but I am strongly considering it, especially because of the cost of ammunition up here, but I also like tweaking things, and making things from scratch. Anyway, my Tikka T3 270 WSM has a 24 1/3" barrel, with a 1-9.5 twist, and considering what you and Hopeful Ballistics and Frontline Rejects have done, this looks really promising.
@@ReloadingWeatherby I'll be shooting at around 800 feet, so there's a chance for good results. The thing is, they wouldn't have made this 165 grain bullet at that size unless they knew there would be a market for it. Or am I missing something?
The whole gyroscopic stability issue has been super annoying because the miller stability formula significantly underestimates stability for plastic tipped bullets. The miller formula is used in most ballistic calculator apps… so we are all running around with erroneously conservative stability numbers. There is a modified miller formula for plastic tipped bullets that appears to provide more realistic results. Ideally you want the correctly calculated stability factor to be above 1.3-1.5… at around 1.2-1.3 drag increases and at around 1.0 you tumble. For shooting ultra long range past the transonic zone you very likely need to be above 1.5.
👍 Yes, True! What most "Non-Engineers" don't understand is that formulas and models usually have "Assumptions" that they are based upon! Also, their are exceptions to alot of "General Rules" (or "Rules of Thumb")! So, if you don't understand what "Assumptions" are being made, then you can reach the wrong conclusions! ☹
My apologies in advance for such a long comment, but game changing? Perhaps. The 165gr. Nosler Accubond LR is certainly an excellent bullet and another great option, but there is something even better than it. And not just by a small amount. The real king of .270 (or .277 cal. in general) is the Hammer Bullets 156 grain Hammer Hunter copper mono metal bullet. I have still yet to find any other hunting bullet that can come close to beating it. However, before I share some numbers, if you're not familiar with Hammer Bullets their key feature is that you are able to push them much faster while still maintaining completely safe pressure levels. The key to their design that allows this is the unique groove design on the shank that eliminates the pressure spike seen with most copper bullets. Not only does it eliminate this pressure spike, it actually takes it even further and reduces pressure over traditional lead core bullets too. Ron Spomer has spoken highly of Hammer Bullets, and has also praised the higher velocities they give you. The average increase in velocity you'll see is roughly 100 fps over stated velocities (including max) listed in loading manuals, to as high as 200-300 fps more, depending on the model of Hammer bullet and caliber. Again, all while maintaining lower (safe) pressures. But I'm not just blowing hot air. I have a close friend who has a Remington 700 chambered in .270 Winchester with a custom 1:7.5 twist 24-inch barrel that he shoots 156 grain Hammer Hunter copper bullets out of, and here's what he gets out of it... - 156 grain Hammer Hunter copper bullet (G7 BC of .292) - Muzzle velocity: an average of 3,007 fps - Muzzle energy: 3,133 ft-lbs. - Energy at 100yds.: 2,805 ft-lbs. - Energy at 400yds.: 1,980 ft-lbs. - 400yd. wind drift (10 mph): 8.6 inches - 400yd. drop (200yd. zero): 17.8 inches - Maintains 1,500 ft-lbs. out to 620yds. at 2,084 fps - Max range (2,000 fps): 680yds. - Max range (1,800 fps minimum expansion rating for Hammer bullets): 840yds. - Has a +/- 3" MPBR of 305yds. All calculations were done at a standard sea level (0) altitude, 59F temperature, 29.92 barometric pressure, and 50% humidity. Your individual parameters will vary, but at higher elevations those numbers will be even better. I don't condone shooting at some of the longer ranges I stated, but I showed them to illustrate what this bullet can do. But again, the key feature of Hammer Bullets is the unique groove design on the shank that reduces pressure, therefor allowing you to safely increase the velocities without going over-pressure. But don't just take my word for it, use your own ballistics calculator (I use ShootersCalculator.com) to compare the 165 grain Accubond LR to the Hammer Hunter bullet mentioned above. The only "issue" is the ABLR's grain weight is heavier and cannot be pushed to the same velocities as the Hammer Hunter bullet, due it its shank design. That's the secret sauce of Hammer Bullets. Now, you may be wondering, as stated, my friend's rifle has a 1:7.5 twist rate barrel, and the 156 grain Hammer Hunter bullet does require a 1:7.5 barrel to be fully stabilized at all air temperatures and elevations. However, there are factory offerings such as the new budget ($899) Christensen Arms Evoke that comes from the factory with a 1:7.5 barrel, and Browning also has three models in their range that are chambered in .270 Win with a 1:7.5 barrel from the factory as well. So, it's not like you can't get something over the counter to shoot them, nor does it require a boatload of money to get one. With all that said, for anyone reading: no, I am NOT an employee of Hammer Bullets or affiliated with them whatsoever. lol I've just become a fan of Hammer Bullets after hearing about them for awhile now, and seeing firsthand what they do out of my friend's rifle. So much so that I am now VERY seriously considering getting a .270 Win rifle of my own with a 1:7.5 twist barrel to (gulp) replace my beloved .30-06 as my main hunting rifle. That 156 grain Hammer Hunter bullet makes the .270 Win a mini giant-killing monster. With the exception of using it for a charging brown or polar bear, it has enough power and range to humanely take down ANY animal on the North American continent. I think (and hope) .270 Win is going to see a resurgence once people see and understand what heavier, higher B.C. bullets can do for it. Particularly with the merits of being a lighter recoiling cartridge. You don't need .27 Nosler or .277 Fury to get excellent ballistics. With modern components, .270 Win ain't great granddad's cartridge anymore.
@@ReloadingWeatherby Ah, so you are familiar with them. Thanks for a good video. Always good to see people comparing different cartridges and components with good data. 👍 Cheers.
@@ReloadingWeatherby Very nice. That's the thing about Hammer bullets is they seem to be very accurate and repeatable too. I have a feeling that is partly due to the rounded contour of the grooves on the shank. Very little material makes contact with the case neck, which greatly reduces friction upon ignition of the charge. Copper is a very "grabby" metal, and the less contact with the case neck, the less it has a chance to cause friction and "grab" on its way out. I really think Hammer has figured out another piece of the puzzle with their bullet design. I'd like to see other manufacturers use a similarly grooved shank as well, as I think it has merits. Although, I think Hammer actually has a patent on their groove design. Regardless, it's good to see you're getting good results with them too. My friend's rifle shoots consistent half-inch and under groups as well. 👍 Cheers.
I have had my brand new Tikka T3x 270 Win about 2 weeks now. JUST bought a used Tikka T3 270 at noon today. Now I have seven rifles in 270 Winchester. AND I ordered a new Brux barrel .277 barrel in 9.5 twist. I've been shooting and loading for the 270 for 33 years. Just my experience but when I get to the 150 grain bullets, the standard 10 twist just doesn't seem to be quite enough in any of my rifles - well, all but one and it shoots the 150 Bergers very well over a very full case of H4831SC at 3010fps. I'm eager to see if the extra 0.5 twist will do the trick in that Brux barrel. I plan to finish it at 26". If I ever see a Berger .277 around 168 grain or a ABLR, I'm going to order 8 twist barrels
Barnes has a 85gr TSX that gets to 3812 fps over chrony. That beats the 22-250 with a 42 gr at 3850fps. It also started out with 160gr and 180gr round nose that shoot very well out of mine. Yes I have both bullets. The 120gr Barnes Banded solids fly at 3400+ fps. 6.5 Needmore cant touch that.
Doing your energy comparison, I know your point was the BC difference but you compared a heavier 143 gr to a 129 gr. Energy is Mass X Velocity. A traditional 270 Winchester weight to a 6.5 the 270 doesn't start losing in energy until much farther down range. Now obviously with the new BC bullets in the 270 the 270 doesn't lose at all. Just wanted to point out that when trying to compare cartridges try using as close to identical bullet weights as possible for a more accurate comparison.
sounds good,, but in reality the velocity drop,with those heavy weights,, takes away some of the advantage of long range,, they dont shoot as flat as the 140-150 grains,, i think the extra weight would be nice on larger game under 500 yards,,anyway this was possible with the 280 rem many years ago shooting 160 thru 175 grain bullets,, fast twist 270 would have the same performance as a 280,,, or lets say the 270 has been turned into a 280
The higher BC is much more useful for wind calls than drop. Drop is pretty easy to figure out, but windage is an artform at longer distances. I'd rather give myself 2" leeway in windage than have 8" less drop. Overall you are right though. Higher BC does mean you lose Velocity. Often it also causes less muzzle energy while producing more recoil... I feel that most people using High BC bullets such as the ELD-X and ABLR have the same story as me - chosen just in case you need it for that 500 yard shot... but then the furthest you end up ever shooting them on a hunt is 250yds!
About time!!! The .277 is a sweet caliber , its nice to see the market catching up to the available technology Next up for the resurgence is the 25 caliber !! I have had some fantasy loads in my head made up for 15 years already for the 25cal can I think its going to happen :) Some 136gr-140gr projectiles from a 257WBY chambered rifle would be killer ,even the 130ish being chambered in for a Ar-10 would be a beautiful fast chambering and shootin sum b*tch :) . Great times to be a into reloading :)!
Got into the 270win about 2yrs before the pandemic because everyone was going 6.5creed and I could score a 270win in the type of rifle I wanted for reasonable price. The icing on the cake was I could get factory ammo really cheap at the time and components were cheap as well. Purchased a pile of bulk Winchester 130 and 150gr Power Point Elmer Fudd bullets, lots of cheap Speer bullets and the 90gr. Basically it was a cheap date for a 400yd rifle on game. Now with new bullet options things just got better
I've taken alot of game with them Elmer Fudd bullets you're talking about. Infact it's my choice bullet for all my Calibers. I like to hunt up close . Aim small , miss small.
Everybody away go for favor of the day and look at the old classics still around today. 243,7-08, 270 win, 7mm rem 30-06 and the 300 win mag. There’s a reason why they are still produced. Thanks
been shooting a 270 for over 65 years allong with every other big game cartridge and nothing ever beat it for performance on game,,,,,and that's a fact.
2 points: I the would like to see the 165 ABLR in the 270 Wby. and as always keeping one's shooting at game below 300 yds and BC is not usually critical. Be well.
I've seen what the 150 AccubondLR can do, holds up and retains enough weight for deer. I'll stick with loading the Partition for my M70 270WCF and REM700 30'06 for my Bull Moose hunting. I got a 0 follow-up streak I'm maintaining. I'm getting as close as I can get taking only headshots. The heart and ribs are too valuable and adrenaline taints the meat👍👍
Hornady's latest reloading book has the 6.5 Creedmoor shooting a 140 gr bullet at 2850 FPS.... Oh Hornady. No one with a 22 inch barrel is going to get close to 2850 FPS. I tested a 6.5 Creedmoor with a 24 inch barrel and it was 2 gr over max and it still didn't get 2800 FPS. This was with Superformance powder.
My old 700 in 270win has 1:12 twist so these bullets will probably not work , my gun does however like 140 Hornady interlock, kills on light skinned game out to 650 yards no problems, and when I compare my handloads to 6.5creed it is superior out to about 800 yards, I am on the hunt for a 1:10 or 1:9.5 twist
BC never killed a damned thing. Nosler has had a 160 grain Partition for years. BC only 0.434 but sectional density 0.298! 1/10 twist handles it just fine. 2800 fps out of a 24” barrel will kill elk grave yard dead all day at any ethical hunting shooting distance which is not past 500 yards. Really not much past 300 for most. You still have to put it in the kill zone.
I’d be interested in seeing if the 1:10 barrel would continue to stabilize the 165gr bullets at distance. My understanding is that they would destabilize as they slowed down. If it can’t keep them stable at distance, it’s kinda pointless to use them in a 270 with a 1:10.
Just running the numbers through berger’s twist rate stability calculator, it says it is “marginally stabilized” at the muzzle velocity you are pushing. Depending on the temperature and elevation you are shooting at, it looks like it should start key-holing when it drops to roughly 2000 fps. Still interesting to see what it is actually doing in a real world scenario. Thanks for trying it out.
Actually, the velocity Frontline Rejects had out of his 270 wsm with those 165 grain Nosler ABLR bullets was 2,980 ft/s! He never said what powder/load he was using, if I recall correctly! 🤷♂️
🤔 Multiple people have told me that they are getting 2,900+ ft/s with Reloader 26 (about 55 grains of powder, if I remember correctly) and that 165 grain Nosler ABLR bullet! 😯 You might try that, if you can find the powder? 🔥🤑
🤔 Yes, especially with the right powder! I am happy with less velocity and better accuracy anyway! But, if it will even do 2,800 ft/s, that will be "good enough" to kill any elk within 400 yards (as it will have over 1,800 ft lbs of energy at that distance)! 🙂
I'm looking at getting one of the new browning rifles in 270 with 7.5 twist. Anyone have any information on if that twist rate would be bad for lighter bullets, 120-130 grains?
Look at the Hornady 140 grain btsp interlock for the .270 Winchester. It has a bc of .486. Run the numbers on that bullet at 3050fps, I’m actually getting more than that out of my 24” barrel. It has considerably more energy than the creedmoor at 500 yards.
🕵️♂️ The Lost River Ballistics Technologies Company, out of Arco Idaho, has a 136 grain J-36 Bullet with a B.C. of 0.65! They make bullets for the Military, so the bullet B.C.'s are legitimate (proven)! Using Reloader 26, You can push those to 3,150 ft/s out of a 270 Winchester! Try running that in your ballistics calculator and comparing that to the 6.5 prc loads! So, the 270 Winchester comes out on top, yet again! 🔥 Besides, Austin has already admitted that the 143 grain ELD-X is NOT a good hunting bullet! So, if I were say Elk Hunting, I would much rather be using a Monolithic or Bonded Bullet to hunt with, than a fragmenting bullet (like the ELD-X)! 🦌 And, a heavier bullet - like a 165 grain Nosler ABLR bullet - to a 143 ELD-X bullet on Elk! 😜
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People can say the 270 has “outdated” case design all day long, but I would take it over the 6.5 PRC because of smoothness of feeding and extraction. Also you can fit more rounds in a magazine since the case is skinnier. Sometimes the “outdated” knew what they were doing.
I like how everyone is on the bandwagon for these new cartridges. Everyone is for the newest BC bullets the new cartridge look etc. I would say the new style high BC bullets aren’t a good hunting bullet. Yes they may have advantages over 500 yards but when you see people shoot they can’t even shoot consistently over 250 yards. So ask yourselves is it really going to make a difference anyway if you can’t shoot. There has been more game taken over the years with the so called old cartridges.
@@ryanconger5098 For sure... but these days there is so much information available, so many tools, and so many good products that the ability to learn to shoot more precisely at longer distances has never been more accessible to anyone interested in trying... There are also new bullets that provide higher BC's without sacrificing terminal performance that can extend the ranges of smaller cartridges and existing cartridges and also just deliver more retained energy downrange with less drop and wind drift. These types of bullets are beneficial at all ranges but the % benefit does grow at longer range. Props to the Barnes LRX line of copper monolithic bullets. For example, I am using the 129gr Barnes LRX bullet in my 270WIN getting over 3050fps with a 22" barrel... and the external and terminal ballistics are VERY good. In average conditions where we hunt this can yield: 2390fps/1640ftlbs retained velocity/energy at 350m (383yd). This represents adequate performance for Moose and Elk out to a very respectable range limit.
Cheers!
Another downside to 6.5 PRC is barrel life
😃 Yes, their are lots of Reasons Why you would choose the 270 Winchester (you already named 3), some Others include Ammunition Costs, Ammunition Availability, Quality Bonded and Monolithic Solid Bullet Selection, and Heavier Bullet Weights than the 6.5's, and More Gun Options! The 270 Winchester is a "Very Sensible Choice"! 🤑
@@ryanconger5098 Well said
Im 55 years old and in my short life I've seen a few new whizbang cartridges come and go i started with a 270 Winchester and never needed anything different.
Our new cartridges are here to stay caveman
The .270 Winchester has no flies on it, and it doesn't need fast twist barrels and ultra heavy, high BC bullets to be an awesomely effective game cartridge. The old .270 still does what it's always done since 1925...It allows you to hold on hair out to 400 yards and take your game home. If you have to shoot out farther, there are better cartridges, but for the vast majority of hunters I'd say 400 yards shouldn't even be attempted, given the lack of skill I've witnessed over the years. 400 yards is a good poke. It sickens me to hear people throw around numbers like 700, 800, 900, even 1000 yards as if these distances are trivial, and totally acceptable to shoot at game from. I'm not saying that nobody should take a shot over 400 yards. What I am saying is that this long range hunting trend is being marketed to the masses and is spreading into the mainstream at an alarming rate in an effort to sell rifles, cartridges, and optics that are capable of performing the task. However, just because the equipment is capable doesn't mean the operator is. I've always felt that the greatest achievement in hunting was successfully taking my animal after getting as close as possible and delivering one well-aimed and humane kill shot. That's always been my goal. It turns my stomach to see videos of clowns walking shots in on animals from another zip code as if they're directing artillery fire. I don't know, man. That doesn't qualify as hunting to me.
Very very well said. I agree completely !!! 400 yards should always be the max. Stalking skills make 200-300 yards easy.
You said it right brother. The 270 win has the bang flop effect
🤠 Well Said! I Too, Am Sick of All of These "Long Ranger Hunters" Disrespecting Our Wildlife! Just the Other Day Jim Harmer of Backfire TV Reported A Controversial Story of A Mule Deer Being Taken By One Of Ron Spomers "Gun Writer Friends" That He Has Had Him Do Multiple Podcasts With - Joseph Von Benedict! Joseph and His Brother Allegedly Tagged A Young Women Hunters Wounded Deer in Utah (She Had Already Shot It Twice) After They Took a 750 Yard Shot At It And Missed! At That Distance, A 1 MOA Rifle Can Vary By 96" From Shot to Shot! 😯 People Have ABSOLUTELY NO BUSINESS Shooting At Game Animals At That Range, Let Alone Putting A Tag On Someone Else's Terminally Wounded Animal! 🤯 Some "Sportsman" He Is and A Gun Writer That Is Getting Paid To "Push This 💩", Into The Minds of New and Inexperienced Hunters and Sponsored/Paid By Businesses That Are Pushing This "Idea" Just To Sell New Products That No "True Hunter" Needs! 🙄
totally agreed!
my dad shot deer, moose, and elk, very successfully, for 40 years with. 270, and the only time i went moose hunting, the moose just stood there and collapsed...but, we never wanted to "prove" the longest range, instead, patience, quiet, and game knowledge seldom required 200+ yards.
👨🎓 Well Spoken!
270 is awesome. Had one built with a 1:8 twist. 170 Bergers at 2800fps. The 150 Berger at 2950. Ringing the bell at 1300 east. Awesome gun.
What barrel and barrel length do you run?
A 170gr with 1:10 twist is marginally stable according to Berger’s twist calculator.
That’s what I’m talking about. I’m building a 270 also. My favorite caliber hands down for the last 46 years.. solid killer and easy to reload
Op said custom rifle with 1:8 twist
Glad you make it clear that the 6.5 CM is nowhere in the same league as the .270. Only advantage to CM is very little recoil. .270’s recoil is very tolerable. For some reason the 130 and 150 grain bullets bode well with the .270 just like the 140 and 160 in the 7mm cartridges. I know there are exceptions. Thanks for video.
I'd like to see the 280 remington make a comeback.. Shoots flat like a 270win and hits the target like a 30-06
280ai my friend. I love mine.
Nice to see new breath given to the old girl. A very classy cartridge that has stood the test of time for 100 years.
Great info ! 7 1/2 twist browning WOW interesting for sure :) Jack O'Connor approved this video .
Harvested a lot of deer with a 270! Been using 140 grain nosler accubond with 58 grains of 4831sc.
As usual, another great video.
If I recall correctly, while I was doing tons of research into the .270 WSM a while back, the 150gr ABLR is so close in BC that it actually rivals and often beats the 165gr to 300 and even 500yds.
The .270 WSM fires the 150gr ABLR ~3150fps (3005ft-lbs), the 165gr ~3000fps (3298ft-lbs). At 500 Meters they're near identical - the 165gr beats out in Energy with 2075ft-lbs, vs the 150gr 2058ft-lbs. They have the same windage (6"), but the 150gr has less drop, 41" vs the 165gr 46" of drop. Pair that with slightly lower recoil and you've got yourself a winner!
I'm a young guy and all for modern cartridges and rifles - but... a well made classic rifle is still so incredible! One of my dreams is a Ruger #1 in .250 Savage! Hopefully once the .277s have been revived (not that they were entirely gone), I'd love to see a resurgence of the .25's! It's been going on, but I'd love to see more 130-140gr options in the .25s. I'd also like to see heavier versions of bonded ullets like the AccuBond for more calibers, especially the smaller ones. .22 tops out at 70gr, .24 at 100gr, .25 at 115gr and .26 at 140gr... they can all go quite a bit heavier.
I wanted to try the 150 ABLR... couldn't find them
There aren't many hunting problems that the 270 Winchester hasn't already dealt with a million times. I am not shooting any animal a 500+ yds with either my new 270 or old 6.5CM (going to my daughter). Love them both.
I remember just a few videos ago I mentioned I had loaded some 160 grain partitions for my 270wsm for my winchester model 70 1/10 twist...the verdict is in today they stabilized very well shot at 100 yards 😁😁😁😁
I would think Partitions would be on the shorter side of bullets that are 160 grain, meaning traditional slower twists ought to stabilize them. It’s about the length, not weight, from my understanding.
@Phil D yes that's correct however many think that heavier is the issue but nop
I use to mess with them 160 partitions and let me tell you outta a tikka or a savage they were same hole at 100 yards
I found some Hornady 153 ELD-X at my LGS not too long ago, so I grabbed a box to test in my .270. Shot fantastic. Just as well as my usual “pet load” using the 140 SST’s. No trouble with stability at all.
At one time I had 5 rifles chambered in 270. I never thought the cartridge was lacking in anything that I would shoot with a 270 The winchester M-70 supergrade that I bought around 1990 had a 24 inch barrel it would shoot very very well with 130gr Speer SP. @ 3180 fps and it was not a hot load. I shot lot of deer with that bullet. The same load with a Nosler Partiion 130 gr shot even better, I killed a few elk with that bullet and a bunch of Carabou in Alaska when Ilived there. I want to go heavy on bullet weight that is what a 338 Winchester is for.
I just got half MOA with the 165 ABLR. I agree that if I wanted a heavy bullet I would pick my 300 Weatherby with a 200 gr bullet. But.. still fun to shoot some heavy bullets in 270 Winchester
You have more sense than all the people that want to make a 270 Winchester something other than it is. It was made to shoot 130 to 150 grain bullets. It shoots the 130-140 grain bullets the best. It shoots flat enough for an easy 300-yard point blank zero. It's a great cartridge. If one wants long-range a 6.5mm PRC or 7mm PRC makes more sense. Some folks need a reality check. Too many people out in fantasy land.
Nice! I’m a 270 (.277) caliber fan!
The downsides of the. 270 are that it's really noisy and kicks a fair bit in a light rifle. Performance wise it's a lightning bolt.
We ran 150 grain TSXs in our 270 for a while and they did well. I suspect being monolithic that they’d be somewhat close in length to your 165s.
On brownings website, the X-Bolt speed Long Range has the 270 listed with a 26” barrel and 1 in 7.5 twist. So even longer barrel!! I think you need to sell your savage 270 and get one of these new brownings to try haha!
how could anyone hate it been around forever !!
I bought some of these bullets in 168gr. To shoot in my new Browning Xbolt Hells Canyon Speed LR 280AI. Never shot any AB bullets before. My 280AI has a 1@8 twist and a 26 inch barrel.
Have you tried those bullets yet I’m curious
@scottscheuerman8714 not yet. Haven't decided on a scope. Plus, working overtime.
i like the 270 Win. it def works
and I'm okay with 1/10 twist... like many many others, I'm *never* gonna need to shoot past 350 yds
I was excited about the new twist rate rifles at first but soon realized that they simply aren't necessary.
That’s exciting. I’ve always thought that the 276 at the crossroads is so many good things. I guess we can also think the creedmoor for inspiring positive change and other cartridges
IT got young shooters excited again and that is a very good thing. The new calibers got poeple to pay attention and rekindle interest in the art, skill!!!!!!!!!!!!!
270 is my favorite cartridge
I love my 270 winchester. I can't wait to see 100 year anniversary rifles to come hopefully in winchester m70 super grade and remington bdl savage 110 ruger. Hopefully all in wood stocks. 🤠
270 Win is about perfect for open plains White tail and mule deer
It is. Nothing wrong with staying with the tried and trued 130 gr in 270 Win
I've had a .270win barrel on my bolt action pistol for a long time and loved it. Worked great out to 1000 yards. I just bought a new .270win rifle that I'm working up loads for long range and hunting. What a speed demon!
Good news indeed for the 270win. I think that Browning Xbolt with the higher twist barrel is looking very good right now. Another good video. Thanks man!
Been using the 270 all my life. like you said it just works. everything falls down that's all I use here in Alaska. Going to give the 165 a go. Been using 140 grain Barnes
The new "30-06" case was an update of the 03. The 30-06 has proven to be one of the most efficient chambers. The other being the 50 BMG chamber. I really like the chambers that have been developed on the 30-06 chamber including 270. They never fail me.
The twist rate and barrel length remain paramount for getting more out one's caliber.
I actually when building my 270, I did put a 26.5" barrel with a 7" twist rate and never looked back. If however it didn't work out as expected, I would have gone with an 8" twist rate.
The results with a 130gr Remington bobtail, at 100 yards all rounds were less than 3/32 of an inch apart apart. Some were going through the same hole.
I don't necessarily believe a heaver bullet is a solution for these 20 calibers.
One thing remains constant with all calibers is, ready...bullet placement! Already taken an Elk with a .243, with the same twist rate and barrel length being the same.
Something I did surprised my fellow shooters, we picked out a rock about the size of a bowling ball that had to be at least 800 yards, the way a crow flys. Oh, by the way, I was using a Leupold 3x9 by 50mm. I'll never forget that day! 😅
Sierra TGK @ 175gr. Berger EOL @ 170gr. Nosler Ballistic Tip @ 170 gr. Nosler ABLR @165gr. Hammer Hunter @ 162gr. Nosler Partition @ 160gr. Barnes LRX @ 155 gr. Agree with you, more companies will put out a heavy in .277. Suspect Speer will jump in before Hornady (Hornady doesn't want competitoin with either the 7mm PRC or 6.5 PRC). Lehigh probably last of the larger MFGR's but they're an all copper bullet so they need to keep up with Hammer, Cutting Edge, and Badlands (the latter 2 don't have anything heavier than 150gr, as of yet). Fun times for fans of .277.
🤷♂️ You forgot the 155 grain Federal Terminal Accent and the 180 grain Woodleigh Weldcore bullets, among other great hunting bullet options! MOST PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THIS, BUT THE 0.277 CALIBER HAS MORE VERSATILITY THAN THE 0.284 CALIBER, IN A WIDER RANGE OF BULLET WEIGHTS, ALREADY! Yep, the 270 caliber has bullets from 80 grains (like the 80 grain Hawk or GS precision bullet), all the way up to 200 grains! 😃 The problem is most people only "parrot" 🦜 what they have heard and really don't take the time to do their homework! 👨🏫 None the less, we are about to see many more Good Bullet Options for the 270 Winchester, as we approach it's 100th Anniversary! 🥳 I was even told, by one person the Buffalo Bore was going to be releasing a 220 grain 0.277 caliber bullet! 😯 I am not sure if that is true, however? 🤷♂️ But, I am sure that you will be able to do just about anything that you want in North American Hunting Now, with Your 270 Winchester! 😃
in my 270's, the 110g Sierra and the 110g Barnes TTSX have proven to be awesome killers out to 300 yards I have shot them. Muzzle velocity is 3300 with "Win 760 and Reloader 17 with sub-half-inch groups. I zero at 200 yards and the drop at 300 yards is 4.5", which is amazing. Deer flop. It is always shocking at how the 110g Sierra performs as you would expect non-penetration on broadside shots on lung shots, but it always penetrates. I am not a shoulder shooter.
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IMR 7828 with Fed 210's with 150g weight bullets is MAGIC!
A closer comparison between the 6.5 Creemore with 142 and the 270 will be the 270 with 150 bullets (closer sectional density and weight) @ 2850 that carries 1384 ft-lb @500 yds /2038 FPS, Hornady SST. I'm getting 2950+ FPS using 7828 SC. No way the the Creedmore can outperform the 270 at that distance, in my opinion.
I shoot 110g Barnes TTSX with H4350 and Win 760 at 3300 fps, deer flop. Never recovered a bullet. The 110g TTSX is the same length as the typical 130g Spt BT bullets. This load seems to shoot as flat as my 220 Swift, 300 yd groups are fantastic!
Those Barnes TTSX bullets are great. I have used them in a 300 Black out 110 grains. They did not pass through because of the much lower velocity but the expansion was perfect with pedals spread for a wide wound channel. Bullet stopped inside the hide on the opposite side.
Been using a 270 Win for years, absolutely no complaints. If I need/want heavier bullets or higher velocity, I just use a bigger cartridge. The 270 and 130 bullets go together like hand and glove.
If you check the specs on the Browning X-Bolt Speed LR and the X-Bolt Hell's Canyon Max LR, you'll notice that you not only get the 7 1/2 twist but you also get a 26" barrel on both versions, as opposed to the standard 24" of other .270 Winchesters. Yet another game changer for the .270 Winchester.
I've seen a few of these rifles in the shelf. Pretty sweet gun
I've been thinking about this for a couple of months now. A lot of conventional calibers have been feeling the heat from the new modern cartridges. What if a rifle manufacturer decided to chamber all its rifles in with and AI chamber, gave them a longer magazine, longer lead in the throat and faster twist rifling? They would still be able to shoot the standard loads but I don't know how well they would. But these would be a reloader's dream rife. I bet you they would sell more rifles. How many reloaders have all the equipment for their conventional calibers and when the rifle is shot out, feel they have to switch to a new caliber to get the modern advances. With this rifle, They would get to load heavier bullets with more powder and all they have to change is the sizing die. AI chambers don't usually allow much more case capacity, but with the longer lead and magazine, you could load heavier bullets without lowering the powder capacity. The only downside I see is that you would loose the ability to load the shortest and lightest varmint style bullet with great accuracy. The bullet jump would be horrendous. But then again you could make that up by loading longer monolithic bullets to screaming velocities. Almost every rifle maker could build a rifle that would handle most monolithic bullet weights better and that's what's hurting the conventional calibers right now. I think Browning is on to something with the faster twist 270 Win barrels. Now they should just change their chambers a little bit and they will have a winner. No new calibers or cartridges, none of the short fat stuff that limits magazine capacity. Win Win for everyone.
What you suggest is not a win for everyone. Some people like short actions and like fat bullets. And people like me will just buy another rifle. I have many standard caliber rifles and have purchased a few of the new high BC so-called long-range calibers as well. Buying another rifle to shoot a different bullet makes much more sense. Not everyone wants to shoot heavy for caliber bullets. It is nice to know what would make you happy. I do reload for all my rifles and what you suggested would be a nightmare for me.
I probably didn't explain myself clearly. Monolithic bullet are a lot longer for same weight bullet and are getting more and more popular. These can be a struggle to shoot in the older calibers. By changing the chambers slightly and going to faster twist rates it would mean a lot of the older calibers would have a better chance of survival. You would still have to buy a new rifle but would already have the dies for that caliber. If you buy a new rifle with the modern design you have to buy new dies too. @@garrytalley8009
That is awesome information, I acquired one in Remington 700 and had wondered about loading the ablr's but was leery about it , I've got a couple hundred 132 gr e-tips to play with but now I think I'll play with some heavier ones as well, thanks
I get half MOA with them. So does my friend in his Remington 700. Be advised this works because of my elevation
Thanks
Might be worth trying a few shots with those 165's through paper at shorter distances 5-10 yards to see if there is any signs of keyholing. Bullets will stabilize as they travel. Optimally we want stabilized bullets exiting the barrel. If it is taking the bullet 10 or 15 yards to stabilize it will be near impossible to find consistent groupings.
I feel like this might be a strategic play by Browning to increase traction for .277 caliber, maybe leading to a bit more focus on heavier bullet options, thereby helping the market trajectory of the 6.8 Western.
Good idea
🕵️♂️ Actually, since the 270 Winchester can push those same 165 grain ABLR bullets to similar velocities (You can get 2,900 ft/s with Reloader 26 out of the 270 Winchester) as the 6.8 Western (which Hodgdon says you can only get that velocity with 2 different powders), plus you can do it with less powder and recoil with the 270 Winchester (Approximately 5 less ft lbs of recoil) and one additional round in the chamber! So, it is the 6.8 Western that Won't Last! ☠ That is Why Winchester is doing this! They are "re-investing" in their "Flagship Cartridge" - the 270 Winchester - while the 6.8 Western is loosing support because the "Truth" has come out that the 6.8 Western isn't performing as advertised! ☹ Well Imagine That? 😳
@@ronlowney4700 Objectively speaking - isn't the .308 Winchesters "Flagship" today?
But overall, I agree with what you're saying - the .270 Winchester being more and more suited to High BC bullets will indeed be an issue for the 6.8 Western.
The 3 Main "Flagship Cartridges" for Winchester are the 308 Winchester, 300 Winchester Magnum, and the 270 Winchester! 🤷♂️ I don't see that changing any time soon either! 🤑
@@ronlowney4700good luck even FINDING RL26. 7 PRC factory ammo is having the same problem: can't get the right propellant.
Horanady makes paper target rounds and 6.5 man bun is a target round. Nosler partition is an actual hunting round.
That old 270 winchester has served me well enough for over 50 years. So has my 30/06s, and 280 Remington. Ain't a nickel worth of difference between the three at 400 yds.
Deads dead, regardless.
I used a .30-06, Remington 721 in my early years, then switched to a 270 Winchester in Model 70 after I got out of the military. After 15 years or so, I went back to the 06. The 30-06 shooting 165 grain soft nose bullets, just killed elk faster, with more immediate stopping power. At least that was my experience. The new 165 grain bullets for .270 seem pretty interesting to me, although it also seems like you end up with a 27 caliber .30-06.
I would prefer 30-06 for elk
My elk starter and backup are still the 30/ 165 Nosler partition. Good stuff.
Excellent. @@rodwoods2108
I had Bartlien Barrels build me a 270 wsm 26" with a reemer designed with a Berger 170 gr elite hunter. With RL-26 I'm getting 3190 fps at 6800 feet where I hunt elk at it has 1492 ft-lbs.
If you do the math conversion.277 = The true 7mm. (7.04mm)
The 7mm = .284 = 7.2136 mm
I forgot to add 1492 @ 1200 yards
I always said the 270 win is probably the most well rounded, and most capable caliber on the market. I’ve never been on the creedmoor/prc bandwagon, because the first thing I do when a “new and improved” cartridge comes out, I compare it to the older benchmark cartridges. And all these newer popular cartridges are still not exceeding what 270 Winchester is capable of. 🤷♂️ Why spend the money on a new rifle, new ammo, all new reloading equipment when it’s no more capable than what I’ve been shooting for over 20 plus years? It’s laughable… I’m glad to see it gaining some popularity again. The x bolt with the faster twist is definitely cool! I’m interested to see how it’s going to perform. I’ll be keeping my eyes open for one of those.
I saw a X Bolt at a local store couple of days ago in 270 Win with a 1in7.5 twist. It was cool to see.
The new PRC cartridges are Precision Rifle Cartridges. They are Nitch cartridges to give people more long-range accuracy. They do nothing for shorter range shooting. You can't compare apples to oranges. Maybe that is what people do when they don't know the difference. It isn't for everyone to purchase a new gun just to try one or have another especially when one's money is tight. I myself have more guns that I most likely should have but they are all fun and they all have their uses. Some for long range shooting with precision accuracy and some for hunting. But any good cartridge stays a good cartridge, and the poor ones fall on the wayside. And I have a 270 Winchester and it doesn't need tweaking shooting longer heavier bullets. The 6.5 PRC, 7mm PRC and even the 300 PRC are much better choices.
Using only 150 grain mechanically locked bullets I've killed a couple wolves, a few elk, a half dozen moose, and probably over 100 deer. Ranges varied from 15 to 350 yards, and I have no complaints. As far as I'm concerned, the strength of the .270Win has always been its ability to reach a nice compromise without much need to switch loads/ re-sight. I leave the load tinkering for my 30-06, which is generally regarded as more versatile, but IMO not as convenient.
A hunting guide in Montana has shot upwards of 20 elk with a 270 Win, every single 1 of them would run a 100 yd before dropping. This was in the early 90s.
What bullet he was using? I don't know, but we have superior bullets today so that may have changed.
@@craigleibbrand7761 Pretty sure I've never had a single animal make it further than 40 yards with mine. My own findings are that deer are prone to run a bit further when shot with the 30-06, even though I know the balistics charts wouldnt agree with that observation.
What bullet are you using in 150 grain. I have stuck with 130 Hornady Interlock and 130 Nosler Accubond.
The 270 may be outdated but it is based on the 30-06 case. One can get far more affordable trigger trigger time with commonly available cartridges. All these new so-called modern cartridges offer very little advantages over cartridges like the 223 , 308 , 30-06. No problem making 270 case from 30-06 case. A 260 Remington and 7mm-08 can easily be made from 308. At least for me. All these new cartridges is for the deer hunter that shoots about 20 rounds every few years. For competitive target shooter. That would be a different matter.
Also, in my 270 necked down to 6.5, I shoot the 127g Barnes long range at 3150 with R#26 with cci 250 primers, super accurate also with 52-53g of R#22. Both of these loads SMOKES a Creed in all respects. The difference really starts showing up with the 143g Hornady in the 6.5/270(6.5/06) at 3050 fps. I use a 26" barrel.
Try loading the 165gr LR in front of 61 - 61.5gr of Reloader 26 and you will see an increase in velocity. Reloader 26 was designed exactly for the ratio between cartridge capacity and bore caliber that is present in the .270 Winchester. I’ve also used it in my .256 Newton with great results.
Can't find any reloader 26
@@ReloadingWeatherby I can find it in about every gun store here.
@@richardkramer1094 lucky
@@ReloadingWeatherby perhaps, maybe I should send you some…if I knew where to send it.
Can you do a comparison between the 270, 6.5 PRC & 6.5 western & 7mm PRC?
For a 270WIN with a 1:10 twist, the Nosler 150gr ABLR is almost certainly an even better choice... There is a point of diminishing returns where the benefits of higher bullet weight and BC are too greatly offset by loss of powder capacity with the long bullet occupying so much space in the case... and with the 165gr ABLR the gyroscopic stability might be low enough to be in the range where the BC starts to erode, particulary at lower altitude and/or low temperatures... which will make ballistic performance more variable, and less predictable.
I wish I could have found the 150 ABLR. I would have gotten that bullet over the 165 ABLR. I agree that 165 is probably the heaviest bullet you would want to shoot even with a 1in8 twist
@@ReloadingWeatherbyhowever, you demonstrated that the 165 grain Nosler stabilized with a 1:10 twist. What am I missing?
@@chipsterb4946 The 150 ABLR has almost the same b.c. as the 165 ABLR. You get better performance with the 150 if you get it going faster
@@ReloadingWeatherby thank you for your reply here and your content in general. I recently got a very good deal on a late 1970s Sako A III carbine in .270 Winchester and want to hand load for it. This is great information.
They need at least a 1:8 twist, then they'd be perfect. [Yeah, 1:7.5 is fancy. I haven't found a replacement barrel with that.] That's the outdated part, the 1 in 10" twist does not stabilize heavier bullets at long enough range. Hornady has said the 145 gr is the optimum [read, maximum wt] with a 1:10 barrel. That tells you a lot about complaints about accuracy. All those 150 grain bullets losing their twist at long ranges did not help the cartridge's reputation. You are actually losing some stability at 150 grains. 130 grains is too light, and it's the one that damaged so much meat that they slowed the loading down. 140 is readily available and is about the same energy at 500 yards with a classic spitzer. Sierra says not to use 1:10 twist with their 175 grain bullet, and that has a very high B.C.
Just got half MOA group with the 165 gr ABLR with my 1in10 twist 270 Winchester. And the elevation that I'm shooting at the bullet won't destabilize until 1300 FPS. Which for this specific load is around 1200 yards. Plenty good for me.
No it’s not lacking.. and the case is not out dated but designed for positive feeding in combat rifles.. the heritage of 30-06..! I have to say I take that anytime .. 😊
Per Nosler's site, the 165 Gr ABLR "Requires a Minimum 1-9" Twist". I'm in Canada, so supply is hard to find, but I found a place that might sell me some... I don't yet reload, but I am strongly considering it, especially because of the cost of ammunition up here, but I also like tweaking things, and making things from scratch. Anyway, my Tikka T3 270 WSM has a 24 1/3" barrel, with a 1-9.5 twist, and considering what you and Hopeful Ballistics and Frontline Rejects have done, this looks really promising.
Elevation plays a big role. Good luck!
@@ReloadingWeatherby I'll be shooting at around 800 feet, so there's a chance for good results. The thing is, they wouldn't have made this 165 grain bullet at that size unless they knew there would be a market for it. Or am I missing something?
Can't wait to try the 165 gr. long range Nosler Accubond bullet in my 270 Weatherby Magnum. 1 in 10 twist barrel.
Did you get some?
The whole gyroscopic stability issue has been super annoying because the miller stability formula significantly underestimates stability for plastic tipped bullets. The miller formula is used in most ballistic calculator apps… so we are all running around with erroneously conservative stability numbers. There is a modified miller formula for plastic tipped bullets that appears to provide more realistic results. Ideally you want the correctly calculated stability factor to be above 1.3-1.5… at around 1.2-1.3 drag increases and at around 1.0 you tumble.
For shooting ultra long range past the transonic zone you very likely need to be above 1.5.
👍 Yes, True! What most "Non-Engineers" don't understand is that formulas and models usually have "Assumptions" that they are based upon! Also, their are exceptions to alot of "General Rules" (or "Rules of Thumb")! So, if you don't understand what "Assumptions" are being made, then you can reach the wrong conclusions! ☹
My apologies in advance for such a long comment, but game changing? Perhaps. The 165gr. Nosler Accubond LR is certainly an excellent bullet and another great option, but there is something even better than it. And not just by a small amount.
The real king of .270 (or .277 cal. in general) is the Hammer Bullets 156 grain Hammer Hunter copper mono metal bullet. I have still yet to find any other hunting bullet that can come close to beating it.
However, before I share some numbers, if you're not familiar with Hammer Bullets their key feature is that you are able to push them much faster while still maintaining completely safe pressure levels. The key to their design that allows this is the unique groove design on the shank that eliminates the pressure spike seen with most copper bullets. Not only does it eliminate this pressure spike, it actually takes it even further and reduces pressure over traditional lead core bullets too. Ron Spomer has spoken highly of Hammer Bullets, and has also praised the higher velocities they give you. The average increase in velocity you'll see is roughly 100 fps over stated velocities (including max) listed in loading manuals, to as high as 200-300 fps more, depending on the model of Hammer bullet and caliber. Again, all while maintaining lower (safe) pressures.
But I'm not just blowing hot air. I have a close friend who has a Remington 700 chambered in .270 Winchester with a custom 1:7.5 twist 24-inch barrel that he shoots 156 grain Hammer Hunter copper bullets out of, and here's what he gets out of it...
- 156 grain Hammer Hunter copper bullet (G7 BC of .292)
- Muzzle velocity: an average of 3,007 fps
- Muzzle energy: 3,133 ft-lbs.
- Energy at 100yds.: 2,805 ft-lbs.
- Energy at 400yds.: 1,980 ft-lbs.
- 400yd. wind drift (10 mph): 8.6 inches
- 400yd. drop (200yd. zero): 17.8 inches
- Maintains 1,500 ft-lbs. out to 620yds. at 2,084 fps
- Max range (2,000 fps): 680yds.
- Max range (1,800 fps minimum expansion rating for Hammer bullets): 840yds.
- Has a +/- 3" MPBR of 305yds.
All calculations were done at a standard sea level (0) altitude, 59F temperature, 29.92 barometric pressure, and 50% humidity. Your individual parameters will vary, but at higher elevations those numbers will be even better. I don't condone shooting at some of the longer ranges I stated, but I showed them to illustrate what this bullet can do.
But again, the key feature of Hammer Bullets is the unique groove design on the shank that reduces pressure, therefor allowing you to safely increase the velocities without going over-pressure. But don't just take my word for it, use your own ballistics calculator (I use ShootersCalculator.com) to compare the 165 grain Accubond LR to the Hammer Hunter bullet mentioned above. The only "issue" is the ABLR's grain weight is heavier and cannot be pushed to the same velocities as the Hammer Hunter bullet, due it its shank design. That's the secret sauce of Hammer Bullets.
Now, you may be wondering, as stated, my friend's rifle has a 1:7.5 twist rate barrel, and the 156 grain Hammer Hunter bullet does require a 1:7.5 barrel to be fully stabilized at all air temperatures and elevations. However, there are factory offerings such as the new budget ($899) Christensen Arms Evoke that comes from the factory with a 1:7.5 barrel, and Browning also has three models in their range that are chambered in .270 Win with a 1:7.5 barrel from the factory as well. So, it's not like you can't get something over the counter to shoot them, nor does it require a boatload of money to get one.
With all that said, for anyone reading: no, I am NOT an employee of Hammer Bullets or affiliated with them whatsoever. lol I've just become a fan of Hammer Bullets after hearing about them for awhile now, and seeing firsthand what they do out of my friend's rifle. So much so that I am now VERY seriously considering getting a .270 Win rifle of my own with a 1:7.5 twist barrel to (gulp) replace my beloved .30-06 as my main hunting rifle. That 156 grain Hammer Hunter bullet makes the .270 Win a mini giant-killing monster. With the exception of using it for a charging brown or polar bear, it has enough power and range to humanely take down ANY animal on the North American continent.
I think (and hope) .270 Win is going to see a resurgence once people see and understand what heavier, higher B.C. bullets can do for it. Particularly with the merits of being a lighter recoiling cartridge. You don't need .27 Nosler or .277 Fury to get excellent ballistics. With modern components, .270 Win ain't great granddad's cartridge anymore.
I'm a fan of Hammer bullets. I have shot them in my 257 Weatherby (92 gr at nearly 3900 FPS) and the 181 gr Hammer in my 300 WBY. Thanks for watching!
@@ReloadingWeatherby Ah, so you are familiar with them. Thanks for a good video. Always good to see people comparing different cartridges and components with good data. 👍 Cheers.
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@@ReloadingWeatherby Very nice. That's the thing about Hammer bullets is they seem to be very accurate and repeatable too. I have a feeling that is partly due to the rounded contour of the grooves on the shank. Very little material makes contact with the case neck, which greatly reduces friction upon ignition of the charge. Copper is a very "grabby" metal, and the less contact with the case neck, the less it has a chance to cause friction and "grab" on its way out. I really think Hammer has figured out another piece of the puzzle with their bullet design. I'd like to see other manufacturers use a similarly grooved shank as well, as I think it has merits. Although, I think Hammer actually has a patent on their groove design. Regardless, it's good to see you're getting good results with them too. My friend's rifle shoots consistent half-inch and under groups as well. 👍 Cheers.
I have been wondering about this for weeks.
just FYI re the light end: you can also get factory ammo with 90 gr bullets (Sierra Game King) & 96 gr bullets (Norma)
Actually, with the 270 caliber, you can get all the way down to 80 grain bullets - like Hawk or GS precision bullets! 🎯
People keep trying to knock the .270 and it’s been a high performing hunting cartridge for what, 100 years?? It ain’t going anywhere!
I have had my brand new Tikka T3x 270 Win about 2 weeks now. JUST bought a used Tikka T3 270 at noon today. Now I have seven rifles in 270 Winchester. AND I ordered a new Brux barrel .277 barrel in 9.5 twist. I've been shooting and loading for the 270 for 33 years. Just my experience but when I get to the 150 grain bullets, the standard 10 twist just doesn't seem to be quite enough in any of my rifles - well, all but one and it shoots the 150 Bergers very well over a very full case of H4831SC at 3010fps. I'm eager to see if the extra 0.5 twist will do the trick in that Brux barrel. I plan to finish it at 26".
If I ever see a Berger .277 around 168 grain or a ABLR, I'm going to order 8 twist barrels
Thanks for your insights.
The 270 has always been king those match bullets everybody is shooting in the 6.5 was never meant for game but u can't tell people anything these days
If you have a 24" barrel and hand load the 270 gets into magnum velocity range, not too bad for the old girl!
I guess I'm a Fudd because I appreciate this cartridge and have always had a rifle chambered for it. Current is a bolt gun.
I would be very intrested in seeing tests for barnes 155 gr LRX in a 270 wsm
Barnes has a 85gr TSX that gets to 3812 fps over chrony. That beats the 22-250 with a 42 gr at 3850fps. It also started out with 160gr and 180gr round nose that shoot very well out of mine. Yes I have both bullets. The 120gr Barnes Banded solids fly at 3400+ fps. 6.5 Needmore cant touch that.
Nice
Doing your energy comparison, I know your point was the BC difference but you compared a heavier 143 gr to a 129 gr. Energy is Mass X Velocity. A traditional 270 Winchester weight to a 6.5 the 270 doesn't start losing in energy until much farther down range. Now obviously with the new BC bullets in the 270 the 270 doesn't lose at all. Just wanted to point out that when trying to compare cartridges try using as close to identical bullet weights as possible for a more accurate comparison.
Thanks for the suggestion, and thank you for watching!
@@ReloadingWeatherby Glad you didn't take that as an attack! I was worried it might come off that way after writing is.
Either way good vid
sounds good,, but in reality the velocity drop,with those heavy weights,, takes away some of the advantage of long range,, they dont shoot as flat as the 140-150 grains,, i think the extra weight would be nice on larger game under 500 yards,,anyway this was possible with the 280 rem many years ago shooting 160 thru 175 grain bullets,, fast twist 270 would have the same performance as a 280,,, or lets say the 270 has been turned into a 280
The higher BC is much more useful for wind calls than drop. Drop is pretty easy to figure out, but windage is an artform at longer distances. I'd rather give myself 2" leeway in windage than have 8" less drop.
Overall you are right though. Higher BC does mean you lose Velocity. Often it also causes less muzzle energy while producing more recoil... I feel that most people using High BC bullets such as the ELD-X and ABLR have the same story as me - chosen just in case you need it for that 500 yard shot... but then the furthest you end up ever shooting them on a hunt is 250yds!
About time!!! The .277 is a sweet caliber , its nice to see the market catching up to the available technology Next up for the resurgence is the 25 caliber !! I have had some fantasy loads in my head made up for 15 years already for the 25cal can I think its going to happen :) Some 136gr-140gr projectiles from a 257WBY chambered rifle would be killer ,even the 130ish being chambered in for a Ar-10 would be a beautiful fast chambering and shootin sum b*tch :) . Great times to be a into reloading :)!
😉 Yes, the 25 caliber needs some more love and if they start making heavier bullets for it, watch out! 😂
@@ronlowney4700 My thoughts EGGZACTLY!
Got into the 270win about 2yrs before the pandemic because everyone was going 6.5creed and I could score a 270win in the type of rifle I wanted for reasonable price. The icing on the cake was I could get factory ammo really cheap at the time and components were cheap as well. Purchased a pile of bulk Winchester 130 and 150gr Power Point Elmer Fudd bullets, lots of cheap Speer bullets and the 90gr. Basically it was a cheap date for a 400yd rifle on game. Now with new bullet options things just got better
Yep! What rifle did you get the 270 in?
Left hand Ruger Hawkeye stainless and an lefty Rem700 with McMillian stock mountainnstyle rifle.
I've taken alot of game with them Elmer Fudd bullets you're talking about. Infact it's my choice bullet for all my Calibers. I like to hunt up close . Aim small , miss small.
Make more videos about the 270
I will
270 Weatherby Magnum The 160 gr. Nosler Partrition is a fine hunting bullet.
Everybody away go for favor of the day and look at the old classics still around today. 243,7-08, 270 win, 7mm rem 30-06 and the 300 win mag. There’s a reason why they are still produced. Thanks
Thanks for watching!
I had 2 of them 270.s Very accurately round in the open fields but not in the bush..Unless you load your own..To slow them down alittle.
Thanks for watching!
Thank you .30-06
been shooting a 270 for over 65 years allong with every other big game cartridge and nothing ever beat it for performance on game,,,,,and that's a fact.
Can't wait to try it !!!
Outdated does not mean obsolete.
Nope
2 points: I the would like to see the 165 ABLR in the 270 Wby. and as always keeping one's shooting at game below 300 yds and BC is not usually critical. Be well.
I would love to shoot the 165 ABLR in 270 Weatherby. I agree, we need to get closer
Use a limb saver on your barrel and tube the harmonics of your barrel to this cartridge and see what she does.
I've seen what the 150 AccubondLR can do, holds up and retains enough weight for deer.
I'll stick with loading the Partition for my M70 270WCF and REM700 30'06 for my Bull Moose hunting. I got a 0 follow-up streak I'm maintaining. I'm getting as close as I can get taking only headshots. The heart and ribs are too valuable and adrenaline taints the meat👍👍
Thanks for sharing!
Overhyped is right. Have to remember too that many 6.5 Creedmore numbers cited are for 24 - 28" barrel.
Hornady's latest reloading book has the 6.5 Creedmoor shooting a 140 gr bullet at 2850 FPS.... Oh Hornady. No one with a 22 inch barrel is going to get close to 2850 FPS. I tested a 6.5 Creedmoor with a 24 inch barrel and it was 2 gr over max and it still didn't get 2800 FPS. This was with Superformance powder.
My old 700 in 270win has 1:12 twist so these bullets will probably not work , my gun does however like 140 Hornady interlock, kills on light skinned game out to 650 yards no problems, and when I compare my handloads to 6.5creed it is superior out to about 800 yards, I am on the hunt for a 1:10 or 1:9.5 twist
Preach!
1st Choice ~~ 7×57mm Mauser
*2nd Choice ~~ .270 Winchester*
3rd Choice ~~ .30-06 Springfield
4th Choice ~~ .375 H&H Magnum
5th Choice ~~ any other cartridges
BC never killed a damned thing. Nosler has had a 160 grain Partition for years. BC only 0.434 but sectional density 0.298! 1/10 twist handles it just fine. 2800 fps out of a 24” barrel will kill elk grave yard dead all day at any ethical hunting shooting distance which is not past 500 yards. Really not much past 300 for most. You still have to put it in the kill zone.
270 isnt lacking compared to the 6.5 i think. Shoots flatter but with less bc, but its got speed and energy
I’d be interested in seeing if the 1:10 barrel would continue to stabilize the 165gr bullets at distance. My understanding is that they would destabilize as they slowed down. If it can’t keep them stable at distance, it’s kinda pointless to use them in a 270 with a 1:10.
270 WSM with a velocity of 2930 FPS with this bullet did very well out to 500 yards. Guess I will have to test it in my 270 Winchester.
Just running the numbers through berger’s twist rate stability calculator, it says it is “marginally stabilized” at the muzzle velocity you are pushing. Depending on the temperature and elevation you are shooting at, it looks like it should start key-holing when it drops to roughly 2000 fps. Still interesting to see what it is actually doing in a real world scenario. Thanks for trying it out.
@@reedpitts9061 I'm at 5000 feet of elevation
Actually, the velocity Frontline Rejects had out of his 270 wsm with those 165 grain Nosler ABLR bullets was 2,980 ft/s! He never said what powder/load he was using, if I recall correctly! 🤷♂️
@@ronlowney4700 Yep, I remembered wrong
🤔 Multiple people have told me that they are getting 2,900+ ft/s with Reloader 26 (about 55 grains of powder, if I remember correctly) and that 165 grain Nosler ABLR bullet! 😯 You might try that, if you can find the powder? 🔥🤑
If only... I could find RL-26
That is a "problem"! ☹ But, I have some Magpro powder that I can't wait to try either! 😃
🕵️♂️ I am thinking that I can get around 2,850 ft/s with Magpro? 😯
@@ronlowney4700 My rifle is slow... and I got 2811 FPS. I also can do a little more
🤔 Yes, especially with the right powder! I am happy with less velocity and better accuracy anyway! But, if it will even do 2,800 ft/s, that will be "good enough" to kill any elk within 400 yards (as it will have over 1,800 ft lbs of energy at that distance)! 🙂
Once again Browning is leading the way Winchester would not exist if it wasn't for Browning
I always see bullet weight and never sectional density for comparison. If you throw same sectional density you might be surprised
What book are you using in this video? The book with all the info and important numbers in it about bullets.
Nosler reloading manual
Try the 145 grain Hornady. You'll get a better bc.
The 165 ABLR has a much better b.c.
And since this video I've gotten sub half MOA with the bullet
I'm looking at getting one of the new browning rifles in 270 with 7.5 twist. Anyone have any information on if that twist rate would be bad for lighter bullets, 120-130 grains?
7 1/2 that will be amazing!
140 s s t has 1493 lbs at 500 yards. For the 270
If you want to pack a full length, 8 lb+, 24 inch barreled rifle, thats fine. A light 20" barrel won't get anymore speed than a 7mm-08.
I have a 22 inch barrel
I'd like to see results on paper at 400 yards.. it may start destabilizing as it goes down range.
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Look at the Hornady 140 grain btsp interlock for the .270 Winchester. It has a bc of .486. Run the numbers on that bullet at 3050fps, I’m actually getting more than that out of my 24” barrel. It has considerably more energy than the creedmoor at 500 yards.
I'm sure it does. Thanks for commenting
🕵️♂️ Actually, the 140 grain bullets in the Horneday Superformance Factory Ammunition have a B.C. of 0.495 and are being pushed to 3,090 ft/s! 🔥
🕵️♂️ The Lost River Ballistics Technologies Company, out of Arco Idaho, has a 136 grain J-36 Bullet with a B.C. of 0.65! They make bullets for the Military, so the bullet B.C.'s are legitimate (proven)! Using Reloader 26, You can push those to 3,150 ft/s out of a 270 Winchester! Try running that in your ballistics calculator and comparing that to the 6.5 prc loads! So, the 270 Winchester comes out on top, yet again! 🔥 Besides, Austin has already admitted that the 143 grain ELD-X is NOT a good hunting bullet! So, if I were say Elk Hunting, I would much rather be using a Monolithic or Bonded Bullet to hunt with, than a fragmenting bullet (like the ELD-X)! 🦌 And, a heavier bullet - like a 165 grain Nosler ABLR bullet - to a 143 ELD-X bullet on Elk! 😜
@@ronlowney4700 I’m getting nearly 3090 with those 140 grain interlock btsp. That makes a great load!