Reminds me of how New Caledonia has a higher GDP per capita than New Zealand before the 2008 financial crisis, because they had about 1/3 of the entire world's nickel production. Wealth inequality will always be one of the most accurate metrics for economic health and stability, at least under capitalism.
@@patricksweeney5308 Suriname is in the exact same situation as New Caledonia economically speaking, except with bauxite instead of nickel. Political independence has nothing to do with economic independence. You know, as discussed in this video about the economic dependence of Argentina on similar foreign exports. If you're going to comment under a video, at least watch it and make an attempt at understanding it so that you don't say shit that makes you sound like an idiot?
@@ireneuszpyc6684 opportunities to succeed and indescrimnately bestow privilege could be about race, so if that is the case now, that should be the case in the inverse of skin color as you say, however it won't happen, rest easy. The law of sowing and reaping appears so obvious to the previously unfortunate , as change occurs in the very near years the extreme minority in numbers will never be mistreated because of the gurantee of that law. A country is only as prosperous as its population, and if everyone by even unspoken universal agreement aids or who seizes power are on the same page, it can be very powerful and rich if it makes its wealth on the backs who have none of that power especially if the population are in the 13-28% range, once they exceed 50% they drive the economy.
This reminds me of post Soviet Russia, under Boris Yeltsin, Russia underwent the same neoliberal path, which privatised the economy and government authority, gave a lot of power and wealth to the oligarchs, and the populace were left in want and neglect, desperate for stability and safety, the Russians elected a strongman: Vladimir Putin. The oligarchy in Russia continues to be a major hinderance, and even Putin has become an oligarch himself, what happened in both Russia and Argentina, should serve as a lesson, of how dangerous neoliberalism can be.
@@triplea7536 Uh oh, you're speaking common sense here. Don't you know the locals on this page don't appreciate that? They might label you far-right for mildly disagreeing with them, since they obviously know better. 😂 Anyway, thanks for pointing out this myth about post-Soviet Russia, it gets annoying seeing it pop up repeatedly.
@@triplea7536 First of all, yes, Argentina had several neoliberal goverments, and second, the massive neoliberal bend on post-soviet Russia is a well known fact, we even have a name for the process, it was called shock therapy. But if you want to be ignorant of history, I can't stop you.
Some say he didnt actually convert though, and only did so to appear catholic so that he would be eligible to run for president, as at the time only a catholic could run. The constitutional changes he made eliminated that requirement, and last year when he died, he had an Islamic funeral, was buried in an Islamic cementery, using muslim rites.
Its only useful insofar as governments selling out to foreign investors. Every country has potential to generate wealth, but that means nothing to the common people if that potential is totally subservient to the interests of capital
@@victorfergn GDP's original use was to just capture every market transaction possible to get a sense of the military capabilities of the country. Of course even for that cases like Argentina (or today oil rich nations like the Gulf States) give examples where it's actually still doesn't really work, but for advance diversified economies like the US, Europe, and East Asia it does mostly still work for that kind of purpose. Economists who still hold on to GDP though mostly seem to do so via status quo bias and the point that no single measure captures an economy as a whole (the fact that GDP actually fails to do this is handwaved away due to it's long prior usage). Jason Hickel has done a good job popularizing many of the internal debates among economists developing alternative indices or arguing against GDP, but for all practical purposes everyday people should probably ignore GDP and ignore politicians/economists making arguments based off it.
This case also can be applied in Batista's Cuba, Pre Chavez Venezuela, Iran during Shah Reza Pahlavi's reign, Apartheid South Africa, Rhodesia, Philippines and Indonesia during Marcos and Soeharto era (They are "rich" but their wealth controlled by "haciendas" in their respective country)(I already commented this before but deleted and write this in this account)
@@MAHORAGADAOPPSTOPPA Yes! Thank you! I try to tell these white people that Zimbabwe is WAY better now than before. Sure, there was food and women weren't g@ng r@ped, but hey, man, you had a white dude in charge. Come on, now! No we way better off.
This video is a must in economic history... specially in Latin America. I was getting tired of everybody repeating the same trope "these populist governments who ruined us all" Cordiales saludos desde Brasil
Its always bs of course,in Latin America the populist usually lasted a few years but get all the blame while the neoliberals who have ruled longer and now get no blame,it’s the media’s narrative of course.
Argentina está llena de gallegos que emigraron allí durante los años 1900. "Buenos aires es la quinta provincia de Galicia" Hoy son los argentinos los que emigran a España. Nadie NADIE emigra desde España a Argentina. Puedes repetir lo que quieras. La verdad es la que es.
Argentina has such an interesting history and even their current political situation is fascinating. I'm glad someone like you actually takes the time to expose the ugly truth about Argentina and its sad decline.
@@lustforchanel3051 Estoy totalmente de acuerdo con vos, y lo entendí asi también en el primer comentario. Solo me tomé el atrevimiento de hacer un chiste con las palabras que usaste x).
If I could make only one correction (not even a mistake, just something missing), the Viceroyalty of the Río de la Plata wasn't **JUST** the predecessor of Argentina, but also of Bolivia, Paraguay and Uruguay. That's why after its independence from Spain it went to call itself "United Provinces". But since the ruling elites couldn't agree on how to create a new constitution and government that properly represented all provinces (mainly because of the stupidly self-centered commercial elites of Buenos Aires), it split into several parts that went on to form the four countries covering that region. The main reason I say this is because I don't really like the whole "X country used to be an argentine province" narrative, particularly directed at Uruguay, not only because it sounds arrogant and domineering, but also because it was the liberal elite of Buenos Aires that wanted to split the whole viceroyalty into several fragmented territories and fought with tooth and nail against the other provinces to crush their reunification efforts.
@@aliasmcgames Uruguay was a province of the Viceroyalty of the river plate, not of Argentina. The governments of Buenos Aires and Montevideo split very early in the wars of independence, thanks to the stupid bastards fro the mercantile elite governing Buenos Aires, who saw Montevideo as a threat to their economic hegemony over the rest of the Viceroyalty's provinces. Because of the extreme antagonism the ruling elite in Buenos Aires had towards Montevideo, they even supported Brazil's efforts to annex Uruguay into their empire. When Artigas went to fight for Uruguay's independence against Brazil, he was opposed by Buenos Aires and the allies he found in what today is Argentina were the federalist leaders of Entre Ríos, Santa Fe, Corrientes and I think also Córdoba, who opposed Buenos Aires' unitarism. Neither the unitarists in Buenos Aires nor Artigas and the federalists who joined him were interested in reuniting Uruguay with something that could be called "Argentina". By the time Argentina actually comes into existence, with the collapse of the United Provinces, Uruguay wasn't part of it anymore. Dorrego accepted the fact that Uruguayans didn't want to unify with Buenos Aires and acknowledged their independence. Junan Manuel de Rosas tried to reunify most of the Viceroyalty's provinces into the Argentine Confederacy, including Uruguay, but failed. Uniting Buenos Aires, Uruguay and the other provinces of the former Viceroyalty into a single entity was a project supported by many independentists, particularly at the beginning of the revolutionary war, but since the very beginning, when the news of the incarceration of Charles IV and Ferdinand VII by Napoleon was known arrived to the Viceroyalty, Buenos Aires and Montevideo went on their separate ways. Montevideo wouldn't even acknowledge Liniers as viceroy after Cisneros fled during the english invasions. As much as I hate to admit it, and no matter how many obvious cultural similarities we share, there is no evidence to suggest that at any point in time Uruguay was an argentine province.
I congratulate you for your work, it is deep and quite accurate. I am a history professor in Argentina, and it makes me happy to watch a video in English that does not repeat the eternal liberal mantra that our right-wing elites sing in all the concentrated media. I only have a couple of comments on certain issues that, in my opinion, were missing to add or deepen: 1) Highlight the influence of foreign capital throughout the process from 1880 to 1946 and its association with the local oligarchy. 2) Remember that the timid industrialization that began in the 1920s, until the crisis of the 1930s, was fundamentally carried out by US investments, not local ones. 3) The process of industrialization by import substitution does not begin with Peronism, but it deepens it. It begins in the mid-1930s, as a (mediocre) response by the oligarchy itself to the crisis and the deterioration in the terms of trade for raw materials. The national bourgeoisie that grows in the heat of this process will be the future social base of Peronism (in alliance with the working class). The anti-oligarchic and anti-imperialist character of Peronism is explained, not only by the sentiment of the oppressed working classes, but in part because that national bourgeoisie (which mainly sells in the domestic market) competes with foreign capital and its traditional local partners (bourgeoisie intermediary and landed oligarchy). All Latin American mass nationalisms have this character (Vargas in Brazil, Cárdenas in Mexico, etc.), which is explained by the structural socio-economic conditions of the region, dependent and subordinate to European (first) and US (later) imperialism. 4) Finally, although there was organization of paramilitary groups during the period 1974 - 1976 (Alianza Anticomunista Argentina, AAA) from some sectors of power against sectors of the left, but characterizing this process as 'State terrorism' is to indicate a continuity with the later period. This is a mistake, because from 1976 the repression is really qualitatively different, in systematicity and organization. It is necessary to point out also that the cause of the repression is the installation by force and fear of the new economic model: re-primarization, financial valorization, open imports, etc. I can pass you the sources of everything I say, only that they are in Spanish. Goodbye and thanks!
Lo que parece es que los argentinos padecen de una identidad de SUICIDIO. Van a repetir lo que hizo Cavallo. Pero esta vez sin un Banco Central que lo pueda salvar en caso que los eeuu se EMPERREN y les diga....NO, NO mas préstamos fue culpa de Uds. dolarizar.....''viva la libertad, carajo''😂...what a joke is milei...pero el fundamentalismo de los argentinos no es solo en el futbol, amigo.
It's rather sad how deep into the libertarian rabbit hole many Argentinian youngsters have fallen. They end up parroting empty slogans and myths about how capitalism can solve anything and never fails.
@@triplea7536 Go figure that RUclips hid your rational comment, the people here aren't as tolerant as they say they are. I had to find it by clicking your pfp to find your last 3 comments on this page and click from there.
You know it seems like in mainstream history not much attention is given to the land oligarchies of the Americas. From what I know in Mexico their power was weakend through a civil war, foreign invasions, and a revolution to break their complete grip on the country. In the U.S it took a Civil war to break the massive influence of the Southern Oligarchy. And now I know that Argentina also dealt with their own Oligarchy.
@@777Outrigger stop thinking that the South cared about their slaves or that they freed them, they wanted independence just to keep their rights to slavery
this again confirms my theory: argentinians will compare themselves with ANY other country except to another southamerican country (unless it's brazil)
Turkey too They feel insulted to be compared the rest of the middle east that they don't see themselves a part of . A deep superiority complex to arabs and persians yet another inferiority one to Europeans
@@appleslover Well Turkey being a former empire has a lot of face to safe, meanwhile being latin american or arabs means that your nation had being bullied by empires for most of its history, Our superiority complex is a coping mechanism to the inferiority complex of the region
hmm Because you can compare it only with Uruguay, Paraguay, Bolivia, Chile and Brazil... other countries are very different... it's like comparing Estonia with Greece. The colonial rulling style was different in northern south america. Australia is a good country of comparison because it has a similar climate and small population. In the case of Brazil... we compare it with Southern Brazil, not the north (because again, it's very different) You can do a similar analysis with Colombia, Ecuador, Venzuela, Panama and the North of Brazil. There's another reason... the USA has never had the influence here it has in northern south america.
i guess the dislikes are ppl that expected a ''leftism is bad and ruined argentina'' it saddens me that so many ppl of my country dismiss our history gracias por todo empanada sos un grande
Here in Copenhagen many young Argentineans come here for 3 or so months I've met many they're generally well educated interested in culture and highly critical of the decline of their country.
Haha absolutely. The argentinian that travel around the world come from middle to upper and upper clases, and they critizise mostly the industrial and constitutional reforms made by democratic gobernments of Yrigoyen and Perón, which are actually the greatest presidents of Argentina's history and the ones that actually brought the real argentinian GDP to the standards of a country from the developed world. Thing is, they only governed the country for a total of 18 years combined, before they were brought down by military-dictatorship juntas.
@@gastonlanteri1147 Please never believe this guy ever. Peron reformed the constitution ilegally after saying he did not want to be president again, just to be re elected. We had an ilegal president badically because the reform was unconstitutional, he had 14 year old wifes, and one of his, called Evita is proclaimed to be one of the people the bring the female vote, which is also fake because we had since 1911 a lot of different propposals up until Peron took power about wpmen having either the same rights, or rights to vote. Mostly the latter. Peronists (people afiliated to Peron) are scum. They sinked this country into the same socialism that is plaguing Brazil, Colombia, Spain, and the US with Biden and his progressive shit.
As a australian born greek I like to defend Argentina from the unfounded comments I have read here . A countries wealth is not just material wealth but cultural and if we go by this standard Argentina for its very low population is a world leader . It has won various nobel prizes for its inventions . it has the best film industry of the latin world . the best musicians in all genres ie Soda Stereo . Gustavo Cerrati . Tango in all its forms including the genius Astor Piazzola . The creativity in Argentina is inmense and I know of no other country in the world that inspires such passion in people like Argentina . Its a very special country and even in poverty its a much better place to live than the USA or Australia due to many factors and the number one is the value of human relationships . We have a friends national day here the only one in the world . The scenery of Argentina is imho the worlds most beautiful with a tremendous array of natural landscapes . I have visited 28 of them and was born in Sydney Australia and call Bariloche my home .
So well and thoroughly done, thank you. Two comments: 1. All current-day assessments of GDP claims prior to World War II are retrospective projections based on old national accounts, unreliable and subject to high ranges of estimate. The stat was devised in the 1930s, went quarterly in the U.S. in 1940, and didn't hit most industrially developed countries until after the war. 2. Feels like a pretty complete summary of economic history of Argentina, especially if you add more on 20th century immigration. THANK YOU
Argentina's peak was during the waves of European immigration that also went to North America. The difference is that in North America immigrants found social mobility attainable in the industrial economy, while in Argentina they confronted the neo-feudal economic system that was stablished in Latin America, and is still dominant in some form.
Well... in the USA they even killed a president :V and you are basically forgetting the entire Civil War in the USA and the Civil Rights Movement... the entire American South had exactly the same system. Social mobility came about during the 30's... you had the Populist Party at the end of the 19th century and the Socialist Party in the early 20th century.
@@ivanprincic8931 All of Latin America was pretty feudal due to how it was developed, so even if Argentina was at the top, doesn't mean it was not dominated by large agricultural estates.
Fantastic video and I'm glad you called out other history/economics youtubers in the beginning for being way too simplistic/wrong when covering complex topics.
Excelente, maestro! The actual economic story is not hard to follow, I learned most of this in high school and some Econ 101 I had in college. That's why it's so infuriating to see that garbage "hurr durr richest country ruined by leftists (???)" bullcrap.
I really love how you summarised Argentina so perfectly in just an hour. I was always confused about how Peronism can be so popular amongst the masses, yet be demonised as the catalyst for Argentina's demise in the popular media.
It is mostly demonised because Peron made a lot of enemies in powerful ruling classes (Oligarchs, some sectors of the military like the marines, and the catholic church), and those sectors' influence in how Peronism is viewed historically still prevails to this day.
I think one of the worst part of being a latin american is that this version of the history of my country would had never being taking account by an US audience (either left or right) if it wasn't told by an english native speaker. Not even if it's told in english by a native argentinian.
@@edgywagy145 I'm going to take your comment as an indication of naivety instead of ignorance. As i will explain you a couple of things. First. If you're born in the global south, you always know your vote is not as important as the one of the first world. Because if there's a coup, meddling on your elections and so on . Your vote will become less valuable. And this interventions mostly come from the first world (and mostly from the USA) So being painted as a pariah for the moronic left-wing in said country is the guarantee that the CIA has free range to do whatever the fuck it want (just look at Bolivia 2019, wich would had turned into a new permanent dictatorship had Mexico and Argentina didn't interviene to save Morale's life) Second, the moronic left-wing of developed countries is always eager to interviene into the Thrid World as long as they make their minds that their "helping". Just take a look to all the "Decline Argentina" videos made BY BRITISH HISTORIANS. Even when they're argentine historians that had explained it far better the circunstances and time period. So now, it's not "daddy issues". It simply not let the double-think of the First world (Saudi Arabia-Good/ Iran-Bad) continue unchecked. Specially with a mountain of fake latinos in Miami ready to interviene and spread lies
Great stuff! We hear waaay too little about the history of Latin-American countries in Europe, so videos like this are a great starting point for reading into it.
Hey man, your videos are SO informative, as an adopted ecuadorian who grew up in holland i was never really told anything about my home country/continent only that they were poor and corrupt. I never understood why or how but i’m slowly finding out more about my history and your channel sure as hell contributes to that. Thank you so much for keeping it real!
This is immense. Already listened/watched twice through. I've no idea why but Argentina has always fascinated me since I was a kid so their political and economic crises have always interested me. It's great to finally have it properly broken down and explained for me from a source I can trust. Brilliant work, as always!
Was in Argentina in early 1990. Buenos Aires is a world class city and Argentina itself is so vibrant with so much potential. Sad that it has been so badly managed.
There is one point I don't think you know about, because the perpetrators were very careful not to permit for the truth to get widely known. After the battle of Pavón, in which the general of the federales won the battle, but he decided to capitulate - some people says the reason for him to do so was that had some intestinal problems, others say the Logia Lautaro ordered him to let the unitarios win - Mitre (he was the general of the unitarios) attacked the civil population of the provincias federales, killed them widely and stole all the large haciendas from them and gave them to other members of the unitarios party, concentrating even more power in Buenos Aires and doing so, condemned the country to a even deeper state of underdevelopment. He was the owner of the "La Nación" the first large news paper in the country and one of the first in South America. There is a second story going on, the perpetrators this time are two. The local oligarchy and the US Government. They have built private ports, from which they take millions of tons of cereals per year since 1976, out of the country not paying any kind of taxes for them and of course that money goes directly to the large banks abroad. The amount of lost taxes are not measurable anymore but we think trillions are gone. As Argentinian, this all is VERY sad for me ...
@@juani-ws8yt en el análisis de los 7 planes economicos ninguno pasa la prueba. Mira las reformas de Uruguay de 1974 hasta el 2004 eso si pasan la prueba
This was a great video. A really deep dive into an interesting historical narrative I knew nothing about. (As a Brit, I'm not surprised to hear that Britain managed to make a bad situation even worse. That's been our modus operandi for 400 years, and we're still doing it today.)
Excelente contribución! de los videos que he visto sobre Argentina me parece el mas justo y acertado con la historia, sobre todo porque en otros videos INSISTEN en que argentina tenía un PBI alto a principios del siglo XX y era un país rico. Sin embargo, la situación política era bastante inestable y conducida por gobiernos autoritarios, violentos y corruptos. La mayoría de los trabajadores muchos de ellos inmigrantes (en su mayoría españoles e italianos) vivían en condiciones paupérrimas, eran explotados y reprimidos (que paradoja un país que recurre a los inmigrantes a falta de mano de obra y luego los reprime ante sus reclamos como trabajadores) ¿Es eso un país rico? Entiendo que en otros video solo se habla de cuestiones económicas, pero como argentino no puedo dejar de mencionar el contexto en el cual se vivía. Es verdad que la Argentina se vio beneficiada entre 1880-1930 por la exportación de materias primas, el fomento de la inmigración y la inversión de capitales extranjeros pero eso no bastó. Los invitó a investigar mas, les proporciono datos que quizás no conozcan. Por favor investigar sobre la Conquista del Desierto, El grito de Alcorta, evasión impositiva de los frigoríficos Anglo, Armour y Swift, etc. Recomiendo la película "Asesinato en el Senado de la Nación". Saludos !!!
Pasa que a los pibitos los compran con ese verso. Amparados en "datos" y ca**ndose en el contexto. Ahora nos tenemos que bancar una fanaticada insoportable de "libertarios".
Hablas de los inmigrantes como si los hubieran forzado a ir a Argentina. Esos mismos inmigrantes que voluntariamente decidieron irse a vivir alli, hoy sus nietos tienen la suerte de tener pasaporte español y eligen *escapar* de allí e irse a vivir a aquel país del que originalmente vinieron.
Es cierto todo eso, pero los hechos son que desde el Rodrigazo no paramos de empeorar en todos los indicadores (con excepciones que duraron poco tiempo y no marcan una tendencia histórica). Pasamos de una pobreza de menos del 10% antes de la última dictadura militar, a tener ahora una pobreza de cerca del 50%. Y hay boludos que te venden esto como un éxito.
I started following you on Twitter a couple of days ago, cause I love how you mock these argentinian libertarians. As an argentinian myself, I can only congratulate you for this awesome video, which is incredibly accurate. The problem is that most people in our country don't know a thing about history, and that's why we keep making the same mistakes over and over again. Thank you for this great content
as always man, you put so much fucking research into all of this. mad respect for everything you put out, it has such a deep break down of history and the economics behind the politics, and how they all intertwine to create the world as it is
Very interesting and carefully weighed analysis. Congratulations! Although I believe Argentina did achieve a much wealthier state than mentioned here, compared to the richest countries in the world, even since the end of the nineteenth century too. I totally agree that political "instability" and US hostility and sanctions are the keys to Argentina's decline. However, once again, as it has always been the case in most esseys in English, he forgot to mention that political instability was usually caused by the US backed military coups that have always backed the agricultural oligarchy. Therefore, US hostility and political instability are two sides of the same coin. It is surprising to see how most schoolars disregard the fact that democratic life in Argentina has been continuously interrupted and threatened since 1930, in allegiance to the US Govt interests. Hence the disastrous consequences of those interventions and threats of interventions in the policies and subsequent downfall of Argentina.
This need spanish subtitles! Everytime i say that the neoliberal measures taked by the 1976 dictatorship and the Menem period where a catastrophy, the right wing economic "libertarians" movement with great popularity in the last few year, cant see it and blame every ideology but themselves, where theirs school of though are involved too in the crisis.
@@oanonimogreg6487 It´s a international issue. Chile and Spain too. These last years we are having a boom of the far-right and the libertarian right too, and both are agressive movements that in some topics they overlap each other and with a very powerful financial power behind and a large mass of young people following them and many appear in the mass media quite often, there are several youtubers and leaders such as Agustin Laje and Javier Milei (Argentina), Axel Kaiser (Chile), Gloria Álvarez (Guatemala), etc. I know that in the USA there is a boom too, but besides Spain I don't know how it will go in the rest of the world. Bad times good face. We need well-informed people who can stand up to them and disprove their massive manichean reductionist thinking. So, hold on BadEmpanada and keep the deep analysis and good work.
@@oanonimogreg6487 not sure if you're aware of Milei but he's a pro-life """an"""cap/"""libertarian""" economist that is kind of a meme now over here, along with Agustín Laje, another """"""libertarian"""""" (this one deserves even more quotation marks) that spouts the usual "cultural marxism" crypto-fash nonsense. Like the other guy said thankfully it seems to be just a vocal minority but you see their annoying fanboys all around social media with Trump profile pics and shit lmao, so disgusting.
This video is excellent and well researched. There are several presidencial candidates in Argentina who are not even remotely close to this level of political discussion and analysis. Yes, i'm looking at both of you, Milei and Mauricio.
Those factories only produce substandard products which cannot compete with "patron" owned companies, but subsist thanks to government subsidies. Argentina is the closest thing to a dystopia.
@@chapiit08 have you ever heard of this funny little place called the United States of America? Quite dystopian, where a group of 2 or 3 men run your life, watch your every second and reprogram your brain so that you consume more, more and yet more.
I am australian born and have lived in Argentina for nearly 20 years . The truth is that in this period Argentina had tremendous economic growth that was amongst the best of the world . From 2004 to 2011 the growth was nearly 10% each year and in that period many areas of Buenos Aires Rosario and the interior saw tremendous changes . Palermo Soho , Puerto Madero were built in that period from 2004 to 2011 and I lived through this and saw tremendous social changes and economic growth that would have been the envy of many countries . Now in 2021 it is a disaster here in Argentina with the peso hitting 200 for the dollar and wages amongst the lowest in the world . But until recently we were the wealthiest country of Latin America now we are just above Venezuela .
Peopling the Prairies and the Pampas: The Impact of Immigration on Argentine and Canadian Agrarian Development, 1870-1930 Is an old work but is a good read, if anyone has any other works on the topic worth reading please let me know
Muy bueno, lo único: el Rodrigazo ocurrió por el plan de Gelbard y Perón de congelar los precios y aumentar la emisión. Rodrigo llegó y destapó la olla pero la presión la había creado Perón y Gelbard, causando que prolifere un gran mercado negro y escasez en varias ramas del comercio. Cuando muere Perón, era cuestión de tiempo para que todo se destape en mayor o menor medida, dado que no existía una figura política con autoridad para semajante caos social y económico.
Otro mito. La "crisis del petróleo" (un falso boycot lanzado con la excusa de la Guerra de Yom Kipur para elevar los precios del stock retenido por las grandes petroleras) empezó en Octubre/Noviembre de 1973. Gelbard testimonió que se reunió con Perón para explicarle que los precios importados llegaban inflacionados y había que flexibilizar los acuerdos de precios congelados y salarios a la suba (que habían sido exitosos hasta entonces por el aumento del consumo interior y la inversión. El propio Gelbard había lanzado la primera calculadora electrónica Cifra y estaba desplazando a Olivetti del mercado sudamericano; hay libros). Perón estuvo de acuerdo, pero luego Gómez Morales apoyado por López Rega anunciaban por radio que el congelamiento se mantenía. Tras la muerte de Perón, echaron a Gelbard y estallaron la economía.
@@elkolo18 Buen aporte e interesante, y agrego que en dicho caso, la culpa sigue siendo de Perón por pactar con la P2 y dejar a López Rega como heredero (y luego detrás a Masserita). Consecuencia de volver a cualquier precio...
@@HistoriaCritica2020 En todo caso, la culpa sería de los antiperonistas que se obsecaron en impedirle volver cuando aún estaba en condiciones de controlar a las facciones de sus seguidores. Llegaron al absurdo (pocas veces visto) de prohibir la mención de su nombre y de destruir sistemáticamente toda obra relacionada (hasta el Hospital de Niños casi terminado que se transformó en el "albergue Warnes"). En una entrevista con Mariano Grondona hace casi 20 años me admitió que lo dejaron volver recién cuando una de sus facciones (los Montoneros) se habían vuelto mucho más incontrolable de lo que el Peronismo nunca había sido (y que rápidamente se puso de acuerdo con Carcagno en liquidarlos). Las virtudes y defectos de Perón son discutibles pero las consecuencias del antiperonismo han sido desastrosas con cualquier parámetro de juicio.
Cuando un liberal culpando a otros x los desastres q se mandan Rodrigo hizo libetalismo economico ( como muchos piden ahora...) las consecuencias sabemos cuales fueron y como aparentemente nada de esto aprendimls hoy 2023 muchos piensan votar a los "herederos" de Rodrigo y despues sinicamente quejarse de las consecuencias q pais de mier..
So happy to see you're still doing these fully scripted videos. I understand the need to pump out content to feed The Algorithm, but this is the stuff I come to your channel for.
I don’t know if Argentina was rich or not. But when I was a teenager, in 1965, Florida had more beef cattle than Texas. And so did Argentina. And more beef was consumed annually, in Argentina than in America. Thanks, Capt Joe Kelley
Why do so many videos underestimate the 1955 millitary coup? I'm not saying you give a bad explanation in historic terms, but Peron wasn't just overthrown because economic factor X wasn't going really well. He was in conflict with the millitary and the curch too, his politics around separating religion from state were so ahead of it's time that still today we haven't been able to return to that debate. Peron wasn't just "some politician who gave poor citizen a couple of houses", he was one of the first and most important tools for argentinians to gain their rights once and for all. I'm not saying he was perfect, heck I'm not even saying anything about him as a person neither as a public figure, I'm treating him the same way as any other politician, as a means to an end.
Thank you for this video. I had a course on Argentina in the 20th century and this was a great prespective to help me expand my indights and understanding of the background settings!
Argentina is a very pacific country , so much that their habitants forgotted how to fight for their freedom and their lives . When the Argentine realise the incredible country they have , the will no longer enable a gang of corrupt politicians to steal their freedom and their national dignity . Im sure they will rise again as a regional power but the Argentine must fight .
I have had the good fortune to visit Argentina twice. The second time driving down to Mer de Plata, some 450km south of BA. It is country that has fascinated me for a long time. I consider myself well read on its history, however your analysis is very interesting and may I say compelling. I’m a Pom, living in Melbourne for many years, which in part explains my enduring interest. I look forward to watching more of your videos. Keep up the good work
I would like to see a video about the condor plan / project ... since from my point of view it was "the straw that broke the camel's back" in economic and social terms not only in Argentina but in the entire region. -ps: many of the ills that have the beautiful American countries of Central and South America were caused by "foreign elements" greetings from Napoles. 🇦🇷❤️🇮🇹
It's too bad that America is going the way of Argentina now. Capitalism creates oligarchy which concentrates all wealth and power thus creating a fascist state dedicated to the Oligarchy.
This is an excellent video. So many videos on RUclips just uncritically regurgitate the same information, but this is well researched and extremely informative. Thank you for the work that went into it!
Also probably one of your best videos yet! It's funny (or rather obvious) how so much of Argentinian history coincides or is similar witb other Latin American countries, and it helps show how the usual comparisons with Australia (or US and UK) are completely ludicrous. I know you wouldn't, considering the prohibitevly high amount of research and work that goes into a video like this, but I would love to have a similar video on other Latin American nations such as Chile, or Brazil.
Peron, los militares, los oligarcas, los kukas, los globitos, los libertontos, todos culpables de la decadencia argentina. Ya va siendo hora de una revolución, pero no de izquierdas, sino de centro e integral
Another great video with GREAT political insight and accurate economic analysis. I perhaps might criticise an almost economic analysis of the problem, leaving the political culture of Argentina aside, which I think is also part of the problem: Argentina has a deep tradition of authoritarian culture, from which even Peronism couldnt extract itself, even if it was an essentially democratic movement (the fact that Peron was a military man himself tells the story). The way to wrestle power has been usually dire, with little concern for political liberties or institution-building. This has wordened the e instability of a particularly vulnerable economy, tied to commodities prices. I totally agree with your conclusion of the dictatorship of 76-83 was the main culprit of the sharp decline: it not only destroyed the economy, but it also destroyed the remnants of any moral authority of the State to apply whatever policy, and made eminent the hate and immoral nature of the oligarchic ideology. One thing I think you missed: that impulse of the oligarchy to totally forget the rest of the population’s interest talks about other thing: their racism, and that, with notable exceptions, they never thought of the country as a shared endeavour, but of their natural property... hence one comment of Borges in the 1960 to his good friend Bioy Casares: in one ocasion, talking about new protagonists of the Argentinian cultural sphere -most of them, with Italian surnames-, he said : “Adolfito, there are almost NO ARGENTINIANS LEFT”... of course, for Borges and his oligarchic friends, all that Italian rabble were not Argentinians... the only Argentinians were themselves....
Creo que todos los países de Latinoamérica tenemos esa fascinación por los líderes fuertes. De todas maneras me parece que responder la sonsera de que el peronismo es el culpable de todos nuestros males, con una demonización de la oligarquía tampoco sirve mucho. No me parece base para construir nada, porque para mal y para bien esa clase sentó las bases de lo que es el país, algunos hasta vertieron sangre en guerras. Tenés un de Hoz pero también tenés un Perito Moreno, que ese último aún siendo miembro de la Liga Patriótica en sus últimos años, por varios de sus gestos, como su sesión de las tierras que le dio el gobierno por su trabajo delimitando la frontera con Chile para la creación del Parque Nahuel Huapi con la intención de que los argentinos del mañana lo disfrutaran y estudiaran, me cuesta concluir que no creía que el país era un esfuerzo común. Son una clase que llevó al país por malas sendas, pero ya partíamos de un lugar complicado (estamos geográficamente aislados, nuestros ríos nunca fueron como el Misisipí o el Rin, altamente navegables -sin mencionar que los compartimos con otros países- y desde que existe el canal de Panamá, perdimos relevancia global para el mundo desarrollado fuera de nuestro valor neto como mercado, que no es exorbitante porque seguimos siendo un país despoblado, no tuvimos una fiebre del oro o nada parecido como sí tuvo Australia y la tierra que se arrebató a los indígenas en la Conquista del Desierto...no era mucha para empezar, no como en EE.UU. o Australia, como bien muestra este video). Lo del racismo hay que matizarlo también. El racismo a la estadounidense, donde había linchamientos de negros en el sur y de irlandeses en el norte, donde había segregación, donde habían pueblos que invitaban a los negros a no quedarse a pasar la noche porque no eran bienvenidos, es algo muy distinto a los "benignos" prejuicios mezquinos de nuestra clase dirigente. Sin por eso olvidar las lamentables condiciones en las que viven grupos indígenas hoy día en nuestro país, pero siento que esto también está más atravesado por las diferencias de clase que por las pseudobiológicas "raciales".
@@BadEmpanada Similarly, they all left after the Spanish-American war when the US occupied the Philippines. However, the US instituted a landlord ruling class through upper class Filipino families.
@@BadEmpanada They didn't all leave. My friend is Filipina and she is descended from Spanish colonizers on her mom's side. And yes, they are super racist and obsessed with preserving their "pure" bloodline.
@@BadEmpanada That is true, under the American occupation many Spaniards left for the U.S., Latin America and Spain. World War 2 especially made most of them leave. Look at what happened in the Ermita district in Manila. The Ermitaño creole is no longer spoken (most of the native speakers died or emigrated) And also when sugar prices fell and all those sugar barons were no longer earning millions. I know a person married to a Spaniard apparently he still has land owned here basically a hacienda... (They were complaing how the workers were 'lazy') I guess there are many such cases where the landlord just doesn't reside here.
@@nathandrake5544 Obsession with racial purity is such a weird thing. I immediately think inbreeding whenever someone brings that up as serious discussion. Especially when your talking a minority population.
Muchas veces he sostenido esta misma discusión con esos mismos argumentos (sin el exquisito academicismo de tu video), pero la gente no quiere la verdad.
Argentina’s economy being modelled on the modern American system has fallen drastically, the difference is that they fast-forwarded the system and has failed far sooner than America has so is an example as to what is about to happen to America, hopefully they are learning the mistakes made and will plot a different path for their economy.
This video is just gold. Thank you for doing this. It makes me sad for my country (I don't think there's a way to fix it TBH), but you laid out the facts splendidly.
Lo gracioso es que al estar en ingles, los "libertarios" no lo ven. Te da la pauta de quienes son esos chicos y su nivel educativo. Son victimas de la campaña de gaslighting que existe respecto de Argentina (y claro, nunca sabran lo q es gaslighting). Muy buen video, aunque lamentablemente una rareza en internet. Saludos!
@@andraddya8447 Eso que acabás de afirmar es una correlación externa, no fundamentada en datos reales. Otra forma de denominarlo es simplemente "prejuicio". Se lo usa frecuentemente como sustituto del verdadero conocimiento, ya que el prejuicio está al alcance de cualquiera, sobre todo cuando la persona en cuestión no tiene muchas luces ni voluntad de aprender.
Hola, acá un liberal. No lo vemos porque no tiene muchas visitas y no es conocido el canal. No espero que entiendas de RUclips y algoritmos igual, ya estás grande para estas cosas.
@@srta.carlota696 jaja esta bien. Me alegro que tengan un par "liberales" que saben ingles y que les avisen cuando pasan estas cosas. Son comicos realmente. Y organizaditos y todo Jajaj. Bueno, que le vaya bien.
Italian / Argentinian here, I just went on to say that at least for me ... it is very sad to see how my beautiful American country continues to suffer, because of the bad decisions made over the years. -Pd: I really enjoyed the video (even knowing all this stuff since school) so...keep the good work man, I wish you the very best. 🇦🇷❤️🇮🇹
I've seen some of those other videos you mention at the beginning. They make ignorant statements with such certainty, it's infuriating. Thanks for telling it like it is, and doing so in detail. You clearly did your homework, I was actually surprised at the depths you went into. You got yourself a new subscriber.
are there plans to add spanish caption to this one? i really want to be able to share it to my non-english speaking "we were a global superpower until Peron" relatives
Average Argentines are doing better than average Americans. Argentines have a net savings rate, vs net in debted household income in the US and Europe.
Please don't repeat this ever again. This blatantly false. Average argentine is poorer than average american. Average american owns a car. Average argentine doesn't. Minimum salary in Argentina: 166USD. Minimum salary in USA: 1.256USD. US inflation: 4.2% ARG inflation: 48.8% US poverty rate: 12% Argentina poverty rate: 42% (children povery rate 52%)
@@tomas12romero30 jajaja buscá el video sobre neoliberalismo en este canal. Básicamente estás planteando todos los falsos presupuestos que plantea la derecha y a los cuales se responde con argumentos y fuentes en el video. Te falta verlo, o bien entenderlo, o bien hacer algún trabajo psicológico previo que te permita asimilarlo.
@@tomas12romero30 Que diferencia que hay en estos pibes que por poner items y escribir cosas quieran tener la razón, con aquellos que leen y se informan bien. Tu escuelita fue RUclips, cuando cumplas 20 años venia a escribir lo mismo para ver si te animas. Patetico.
Amazing video. I would like to know your thoughts on the near future of the country. I know it's nearly impossible to predict these things, but you seem to be very informed on the matter and I'd like to know your opinion on that. Do you happen to have any plans for something like that by any chance?
so it seems that only a very few well born were actually rich, but very rich. Somehow as I have travelled in Argentina and seen it today I am not surprised. The main myth is that riches are around the corner (just like the U.S.).
@@andraddya8447 pero las pymes no son oligarcas. los oligarcas se dedicaban en su momento al agro y hoy en dia a la timba financiera, no a tener una fabrica de zapatillas nacionales
I think Venezuela's case is even mythier. At leat Argentina was able to achieve relatively high standards of living for the region. Venezuela is hard to see why they were ever considered "wealthy", even before Chavez.
What wasn't discussed at all in the video, and hardly discussed in all the prior comments, is that Argentina was stuck until quite late with a land-owning oligarchy the way it was, because the British were defeated in their attempts to capture Buenos Aires in 1806-07. Otherwise, the oligarchy would have long since been broken up and there would have been plenty of room for British settlement in rural areas. This way, Argentina (including Uruguay as a province) would have developed along the lines of Australia or Canada, with a bilingualism reminiscent of Canada or (white) South Africa. Plus, given that this video was presented by someone from Australia, it should be pointed out that there are plenty of physical/climate similarities - as well as both being predominantly white (unlike South Africa) - between Argentina/Uruguay and Australia. Not to mention between Melbourne and Buenos Aires, and between Sydney and Montevideo, in terms of the overall character and atmosphere (not necessarily in terms of size differences, though.).
Do learn some Spanish; it's not that difficult, English has lots of Latin roots, and lots of people in the US speak Spanish, so it really opens "vistas"... (look out, I'm shifting to Spanglish!) You can even go to a nearby country and do an immersion program and quickly learn enough to go to any country and really spend some time to get fluent, volunteering or teaching English. Just do it. Ya got one life.
I can't believe you forgot to mention the part where Magneto went to Argentina to hunt Nazis.
Look who's there
Hey, I know you!
You're that jaywalking punk anarchist.
They say that Hitler was in Bariloche
Magneto went to a magical place in Argentina that is from a costal region that also has a big lake with snowy mountains in the background 🤔
Oh we have a magnetto today and it is far more evil than the mutant
Great video!
Hakim peronista 😖
: D
@@ACDLDGNNC23 what are you on about?
Hakim 😳😳😳 (you’re extremely based)
Hakim Comrade!
Reminds me of how New Caledonia has a higher GDP per capita than New Zealand before the 2008 financial crisis, because they had about 1/3 of the entire world's nickel production. Wealth inequality will always be one of the most accurate metrics for economic health and stability, at least under capitalism.
@@ireneuszpyc6684 New Caledonia is a French colony you fucking racist clown lmao
@@ireneuszpyc6684
You do know (or don't you) that Argentina was colonized by White Europeans?
@@patricksweeney5308 Suriname is in the exact same situation as New Caledonia economically speaking, except with bauxite instead of nickel. Political independence has nothing to do with economic independence. You know, as discussed in this video about the economic dependence of Argentina on similar foreign exports. If you're going to comment under a video, at least watch it and make an attempt at understanding it so that you don't say shit that makes you sound like an idiot?
@@ireneuszpyc6684 opportunities to succeed and indescrimnately bestow privilege could be about race, so if that is the case now, that should be the case in the inverse of skin color as you say, however it won't happen, rest easy. The law of sowing and reaping appears so obvious to the previously unfortunate , as change occurs in the very near years the extreme minority in numbers will never be mistreated because of the gurantee of that law. A country is only as prosperous as its population, and if everyone by even unspoken universal agreement aids or who seizes power are on the same page, it can be very powerful and rich if it makes its wealth on the backs who have none of that power especially if the population are in the 13-28% range, once they exceed 50% they drive the economy.
The Netherlands would disagree
According to our oligarchic media, 70 years of Peronism brought about the fall of the Byzantine Empire.
Nah, dude, It goes way back to the bronze age collapse.
Increíble como en esos 70 años de supuesto peronismo te encajan los gobiernos de Frondizi, Illia, Alfonsín y De la Rúa y tres dictaduras diferentes.
@@lucianacapdevila4955 30 años del partido peronista y un viejo me decía que era el 75% de los últimos 70 años
Plot twist: Argentina es Turquia
@@ShinigamiInuyasha777 por favor no
This reminds me of post Soviet Russia, under Boris Yeltsin, Russia underwent the same neoliberal path, which privatised the economy and government authority, gave a lot of power and wealth to the oligarchs, and the populace were left in want and neglect, desperate for stability and safety, the Russians elected a strongman: Vladimir Putin. The oligarchy in Russia continues to be a major hinderance, and even Putin has become an oligarch himself, what happened in both Russia and Argentina, should serve as a lesson, of how dangerous neoliberalism can be.
ruclips.net/video/AtdqBU-r8P8/видео.htmlsi=eXtfNj4iBXuEn7U9. Meh, it's all about land and land ownership in general
@@triplea7536 Uh oh, you're speaking common sense here. Don't you know the locals on this page don't appreciate that?
They might label you far-right for mildly disagreeing with them, since they obviously know better. 😂
Anyway, thanks for pointing out this myth about post-Soviet Russia, it gets annoying seeing it pop up repeatedly.
@@triplea7536 First of all, yes, Argentina had several neoliberal goverments, and second, the massive neoliberal bend on post-soviet Russia is a well known fact, we even have a name for the process, it was called shock therapy.
But if you want to be ignorant of history, I can't stop you.
Carlos Menem converted from Sunni Islam to Catholicism, which is in my opinion the primary reason for Argentina's decline.
Alternative history were Menem didn’t become a Catholic or Neoliberal, hella based
Tell me more
@@BadEmpanada
Praise be to Allah
Some say he didnt actually convert though, and only did so to appear catholic so that he would be eligible to run for president, as at the time only a catholic could run. The constitutional changes he made eliminated that requirement, and last year when he died, he had an Islamic funeral, was buried in an Islamic cementery, using muslim rites.
As if religion plays a part in a man's faculties
Man GDP really is just a number designed to be big when you do capitalism huh
GDP is just an indicator that means nothing without other data.
@@victorfergn & kinda useless even with other data
Its only useful insofar as governments selling out to foreign investors. Every country has potential to generate wealth, but that means nothing to the common people if that potential is totally subservient to the interests of capital
@@emrazum nah, it's a general parameter... it's useful for a global panorama and its variation is more important than any particular value.
@@victorfergn GDP's original use was to just capture every market transaction possible to get a sense of the military capabilities of the country. Of course even for that cases like Argentina (or today oil rich nations like the Gulf States) give examples where it's actually still doesn't really work, but for advance diversified economies like the US, Europe, and East Asia it does mostly still work for that kind of purpose.
Economists who still hold on to GDP though mostly seem to do so via status quo bias and the point that no single measure captures an economy as a whole (the fact that GDP actually fails to do this is handwaved away due to it's long prior usage). Jason Hickel has done a good job popularizing many of the internal debates among economists developing alternative indices or arguing against GDP, but for all practical purposes everyday people should probably ignore GDP and ignore politicians/economists making arguments based off it.
This case also can be applied in Batista's Cuba, Pre Chavez Venezuela, Iran during Shah Reza Pahlavi's reign, Apartheid South Africa, Rhodesia, Philippines and Indonesia during Marcos and Soeharto era (They are "rich" but their wealth controlled by "haciendas" in their respective country)(I already commented this before but deleted and write this in this account)
Finally! Someone realizes Zimbabwe's citizens are doing soooooo much better than under PM Ian Smith (do ya know who that is?)
@@steverobertson6393 ian smith fron alvin and the chipmunks?
@@MAHORAGADAOPPSTOPPA Yes! Thank you!
I try to tell these white people that Zimbabwe is WAY better now than before. Sure, there was food and women weren't g@ng r@ped, but hey, man, you had a white dude in charge. Come on, now!
No we way better off.
Also in México during Porfirio Díaz ditactorship
Ada Indonesia cuy
This video is a must in economic history... specially in Latin America. I was getting tired of everybody repeating the same trope "these populist governments who ruined us all"
Cordiales saludos desde Brasil
Its always bs of course,in Latin America the populist usually lasted a few years but get all the blame while the neoliberals who have ruled longer and now get no blame,it’s the media’s narrative of course.
Exactly, Bolsonaro is a populist and he will develop Brazil
Argentina está llena de gallegos que emigraron allí durante los años 1900. "Buenos aires es la quinta provincia de Galicia"
Hoy son los argentinos los que emigran a España. Nadie NADIE emigra desde España a Argentina.
Puedes repetir lo que quieras. La verdad es la que es.
@@lahabitaciondelatrapado4621
españa era pobre jajaja, lee un libro
@@pedroxyo y Argentina rica.
Lea un libro sobre "El. Milagro económico español" a ver si aprende algo de economía
Argentina has such an interesting history and even their current political situation is fascinating. I'm glad someone like you actually takes the time to expose the ugly truth about Argentina and its sad decline.
fascinating is and interesting way of saying depresing jajajaja
@@sirnander Esto es cierto, pero es un poco diferente, a diferencia de otros países en América Latina. Por eso me parece fascinante
@@lustforchanel3051 Estoy totalmente de acuerdo con vos, y lo entendí asi también en el primer comentario. Solo me tomé el atrevimiento de hacer un chiste con las palabras que usaste x).
Ohhh jajaja sorry :)
It didn't really decline though, 99% of the population was always poor.
If I could make only one correction (not even a mistake, just something missing), the Viceroyalty of the Río de la Plata wasn't **JUST** the predecessor of Argentina, but also of Bolivia, Paraguay and Uruguay. That's why after its independence from Spain it went to call itself "United Provinces". But since the ruling elites couldn't agree on how to create a new constitution and government that properly represented all provinces (mainly because of the stupidly self-centered commercial elites of Buenos Aires), it split into several parts that went on to form the four countries covering that region.
The main reason I say this is because I don't really like the whole "X country used to be an argentine province" narrative, particularly directed at Uruguay, not only because it sounds arrogant and domineering, but also because it was the liberal elite of Buenos Aires that wanted to split the whole viceroyalty into several fragmented territories and fought with tooth and nail against the other provinces to crush their reunification efforts.
@@BadEmpanada based
@@BadEmpanada this is the content i pay for
Is there going to be a flame war or are we going “the agree to disagree” route?
@@aliasmcgames *cries in syrian*
@@aliasmcgames Uruguay was a province of the Viceroyalty of the river plate, not of Argentina. The governments of Buenos Aires and Montevideo split very early in the wars of independence, thanks to the stupid bastards fro the mercantile elite governing Buenos Aires, who saw Montevideo as a threat to their economic hegemony over the rest of the Viceroyalty's provinces.
Because of the extreme antagonism the ruling elite in Buenos Aires had towards Montevideo, they even supported Brazil's efforts to annex Uruguay into their empire. When Artigas went to fight for Uruguay's independence against Brazil, he was opposed by Buenos Aires and the allies he found in what today is Argentina were the federalist leaders of Entre Ríos, Santa Fe, Corrientes and I think also Córdoba, who opposed Buenos Aires' unitarism. Neither the unitarists in Buenos Aires nor Artigas and the federalists who joined him were interested in reuniting Uruguay with something that could be called "Argentina". By the time Argentina actually comes into existence, with the collapse of the United Provinces, Uruguay wasn't part of it anymore. Dorrego accepted the fact that Uruguayans didn't want to unify with Buenos Aires and acknowledged their independence. Junan Manuel de Rosas tried to reunify most of the Viceroyalty's provinces into the Argentine Confederacy, including Uruguay, but failed.
Uniting Buenos Aires, Uruguay and the other provinces of the former Viceroyalty into a single entity was a project supported by many independentists, particularly at the beginning of the revolutionary war, but since the very beginning, when the news of the incarceration of Charles IV and Ferdinand VII by Napoleon was known arrived to the Viceroyalty, Buenos Aires and Montevideo went on their separate ways. Montevideo wouldn't even acknowledge Liniers as viceroy after Cisneros fled during the english invasions.
As much as I hate to admit it, and no matter how many obvious cultural similarities we share, there is no evidence to suggest that at any point in time Uruguay was an argentine province.
I congratulate you for your work, it is deep and quite accurate. I am a history professor in Argentina, and it makes me happy to watch a video in English that does not repeat the eternal liberal mantra that our right-wing elites sing in all the concentrated media. I only have a couple of comments on certain issues that, in my opinion, were missing to add or deepen:
1) Highlight the influence of foreign capital throughout the process from 1880 to 1946 and its association with the local oligarchy.
2) Remember that the timid industrialization that began in the 1920s, until the crisis of the 1930s, was fundamentally carried out by US investments, not local ones.
3) The process of industrialization by import substitution does not begin with Peronism, but it deepens it. It begins in the mid-1930s, as a (mediocre) response by the oligarchy itself to the crisis and the deterioration in the terms of trade for raw materials. The national bourgeoisie that grows in the heat of this process will be the future social base of Peronism (in alliance with the working class). The anti-oligarchic and anti-imperialist character of Peronism is explained, not only by the sentiment of the oppressed working classes, but in part because that national bourgeoisie (which mainly sells in the domestic market) competes with foreign capital and its traditional local partners (bourgeoisie intermediary and landed oligarchy). All Latin American mass nationalisms have this character (Vargas in Brazil, Cárdenas in Mexico, etc.), which is explained by the structural socio-economic conditions of the region, dependent and subordinate to European (first) and US (later) imperialism.
4) Finally, although there was organization of paramilitary groups during the period 1974 - 1976 (Alianza Anticomunista Argentina, AAA) from some sectors of power against sectors of the left, but characterizing this process as 'State terrorism' is to indicate a continuity with the later period. This is a mistake, because from 1976 the repression is really qualitatively different, in systematicity and organization. It is necessary to point out also that the cause of the repression is the installation by force and fear of the new economic model: re-primarization, financial valorization, open imports, etc.
I can pass you the sources of everything I say, only that they are in Spanish.
Goodbye and thanks!
Muchas gracias
Grande pa! Muchas gracias, empezaba a perder la fe en mi gente... Me harías el favor de mandarme tus fuentes... Te lo agradecería mucho
Lo que parece es que los argentinos padecen de una identidad de SUICIDIO. Van a repetir lo que hizo Cavallo. Pero esta vez sin un Banco Central que lo pueda salvar en caso que los eeuu se EMPERREN y les diga....NO, NO mas préstamos fue culpa de Uds. dolarizar.....''viva la libertad, carajo''😂...what a joke is milei...pero el fundamentalismo de los argentinos no es solo en el futbol, amigo.
It's rather sad how deep into the libertarian rabbit hole many Argentinian youngsters have fallen. They end up parroting empty slogans and myths about how capitalism can solve anything and never fails.
@@triplea7536 Go figure that RUclips hid your rational comment, the people here aren't as tolerant as they say they are.
I had to find it by clicking your pfp to find your last 3 comments on this page and click from there.
You know it seems like in mainstream history not much attention is given to the land oligarchies of the Americas. From what I know in Mexico their power was weakend through a civil war, foreign invasions, and a revolution to break their complete grip on the country. In the U.S it took a Civil war to break the massive influence of the Southern Oligarchy. And now I know that Argentina also dealt with their own Oligarchy.
Cuba got rid of there oligarchy too
ah, the irony
@Tomas Flores the us always supported Latin American oligarchies cuba Mexico Bolivia central America
@@777Outrigger own slaves
@@777Outrigger stop thinking that the South cared about their slaves or that they freed them, they wanted independence just to keep their rights to slavery
this again confirms my theory: argentinians will compare themselves with ANY other country except to another southamerican country (unless it's brazil)
Turkey too
They feel insulted to be compared the rest of the middle east that they don't see themselves a part of .
A deep superiority complex to arabs and persians yet another inferiority one to Europeans
It's the oligarchy,the richer part of the population that LOVES to lick europe's boots
@@appleslover Well Turkey being a former empire has a lot of face to safe, meanwhile being latin american or arabs means that your nation had being bullied by empires for most of its history, Our superiority complex is a coping mechanism to the inferiority complex of the region
@@ShinigamiInuyasha777 👍 totally agree
hmm Because you can compare it only with Uruguay, Paraguay, Bolivia, Chile and Brazil... other countries are very different... it's like comparing Estonia with Greece. The colonial rulling style was different in northern south america. Australia is a good country of comparison because it has a similar climate and small population. In the case of Brazil... we compare it with Southern Brazil, not the north (because again, it's very different) You can do a similar analysis with Colombia, Ecuador, Venzuela, Panama and the North of Brazil. There's another reason... the USA has never had the influence here it has in northern south america.
i guess the dislikes are ppl that expected a ''leftism is bad and ruined argentina''
it saddens me that so many ppl of my country dismiss our history
gracias por todo empanada sos un grande
Here in Copenhagen many young Argentineans come here for 3 or so months I've met many they're generally well educated interested in culture and highly critical of the decline of their country.
Problem is that they are usually critical in the wrong direction
Haha absolutely. The argentinian that travel around the world come from middle to upper and upper clases, and they critizise mostly the industrial and constitutional reforms made by democratic gobernments of Yrigoyen and Perón, which are actually the greatest presidents of Argentina's history and the ones that actually brought the real argentinian GDP to the standards of a country from the developed world.
Thing is, they only governed the country for a total of 18 years combined, before they were brought down by military-dictatorship juntas.
@@gastonlanteri1147 Argentinians would rather wash dishes in a "first world country" than be a doctor or engineer in Argentina.
@@JuanManuel-ii1ov oof
@@gastonlanteri1147 Please never believe this guy ever. Peron reformed the constitution ilegally after saying he did not want to be president again, just to be re elected.
We had an ilegal president badically because the reform was unconstitutional, he had 14 year old wifes, and one of his, called Evita is proclaimed to be one of the people the bring the female vote, which is also fake because we had since 1911 a lot of different propposals up until Peron took power about wpmen having either the same rights, or rights to vote. Mostly the latter.
Peronists (people afiliated to Peron) are scum. They sinked this country into the same socialism that is plaguing Brazil, Colombia, Spain, and the US with Biden and his progressive shit.
As a australian born greek I like to defend Argentina from the unfounded comments I have read here . A countries wealth is not just material wealth but cultural and if we go by this standard Argentina for its very low population is a world leader . It has won various nobel prizes for its inventions . it has the best film industry of the latin world . the best musicians in all genres ie Soda Stereo . Gustavo Cerrati . Tango in all its forms including the genius Astor Piazzola . The creativity in Argentina is inmense and I know of no other country in the world that inspires such passion in people like Argentina . Its a very special country and even in poverty its a much better place to live than the USA or Australia due to many factors and the number one is the value of human relationships . We have a friends national day here the only one in the world . The scenery of Argentina is imho the worlds most beautiful with a tremendous array of natural landscapes . I have visited 28 of them and was born in Sydney Australia and call Bariloche my home .
So well and thoroughly done, thank you. Two comments:
1. All current-day assessments of GDP claims prior to World War II are retrospective projections based on old national accounts, unreliable and subject to high ranges of estimate. The stat was devised in the 1930s, went quarterly in the U.S. in 1940, and didn't hit most industrially developed countries until after the war.
2. Feels like a pretty complete summary of economic history of Argentina, especially if you add more on 20th century immigration.
THANK YOU
Argentina's peak was during the waves of European immigration that also went to North America. The difference is that in North America immigrants found social mobility attainable in the industrial economy, while in Argentina they confronted the neo-feudal economic system that was stablished in Latin America, and is still dominant in some form.
Well... in the USA they even killed a president :V and you are basically forgetting the entire Civil War in the USA and the Civil Rights Movement... the entire American South had exactly the same system. Social mobility came about during the 30's... you had the Populist Party at the end of the 19th century and the Socialist Party in the early 20th century.
Quite a few businesses in BA in the early 1900s were owned by immigrants but I guess it was still relatively small
Yes. Precisely the lack of industrialization may have been caused for the backing of the agricultural oligarchy by the US
Actually, Argentina had the largest middle class in Latin America. Its social structure has been pretty modern, not feudal
@@ivanprincic8931 All of Latin America was pretty feudal due to how it was developed, so even if Argentina was at the top, doesn't mean it was not dominated by large agricultural estates.
I hope Argentina can have a Georgist political administration in the future
I'll send a DM to Milei about this, he might like geolibertarianism
Fantastic video and I'm glad you called out other history/economics youtubers in the beginning for being way too simplistic/wrong when covering complex topics.
Excelente, maestro! The actual economic story is not hard to follow, I learned most of this in high school and some Econ 101 I had in college. That's why it's so infuriating to see that garbage "hurr durr richest country ruined by leftists (???)" bullcrap.
well yeah, the Argentine government is a parasite on the economy
@@lucianboar3489 Nice meme.
@@danesovic7585 I in agreement.
you can't blame the oligarchy for Argentina's economical decline of the last 40 years. The fault is in politicians hands with leftist measures.
@@BadEmpanada Compare economic measures of Chile with Argentina's and look at our economics results.
I really love how you summarised Argentina so perfectly in just an hour. I was always confused about how Peronism can be so popular amongst the masses, yet be demonised as the catalyst for Argentina's demise in the popular media.
Now, a year later, do you understand why Peronism was welcomed....or not??
It is mostly demonised because Peron made a lot of enemies in powerful ruling classes (Oligarchs, some sectors of the military like the marines, and the catholic church), and those sectors' influence in how Peronism is viewed historically still prevails to this day.
I think one of the worst part of being a latin american is that this version of the history of my country would had never being taking account by an US audience (either left or right) if it wasn't told by an english native speaker. Not even if it's told in english by a native argentinian.
damn, exactly. por suerte tenemos al presidente del partido justicialista australiano para producir unidades básicas digitales.
El compañero Empanada
TBH I wouldn't like David Pakman doing it over BadEmpanada
Why do you need their approval? Daddy issues anyone?
@@edgywagy145 I'm going to take your comment as an indication of naivety instead of ignorance. As i will explain you a couple of things.
First. If you're born in the global south, you always know your vote is not as important as the one of the first world. Because if there's a coup, meddling on your elections and so on . Your vote will become less valuable. And this interventions mostly come from the first world (and mostly from the USA) So being painted as a pariah for the moronic left-wing in said country is the guarantee that the CIA has free range to do whatever the fuck it want (just look at Bolivia 2019, wich would had turned into a new permanent dictatorship had Mexico and Argentina didn't interviene to save Morale's life)
Second, the moronic left-wing of developed countries is always eager to interviene into the Thrid World as long as they make their minds that their "helping". Just take a look to all the "Decline Argentina" videos made BY BRITISH HISTORIANS. Even when they're argentine historians that had explained it far better the circunstances and time period.
So now, it's not "daddy issues". It simply not let the double-think of the First world (Saudi Arabia-Good/ Iran-Bad) continue unchecked. Specially with a mountain of fake latinos in Miami ready to interviene and spread lies
Great stuff! We hear waaay too little about the history of Latin-American countries in Europe, so videos like this are a great starting point for reading into it.
I fucking hate how little us Eastern and Southern Europeans talk about South America, since we have a lot of similarities in our political systems.
I'm from Argentina, this video is extremely based, thanks for watching as a foreigner
Do you mean biased?
no, they aren't, they are biased af
@@lubu2960 yeah, that's why it's a starting point for reading into the topic, which then allows you to make up your mind if you agree or not.
Hey man, your videos are SO informative, as an adopted ecuadorian who grew up in holland i was never really told anything about my home country/continent only that they were poor and corrupt. I never understood why or how but i’m slowly finding out more about my history and your channel sure as hell contributes to that. Thank you so much for keeping it real!
I think we should cry for Argentina
This is immense. Already listened/watched twice through. I've no idea why but Argentina has always fascinated me since I was a kid so their political and economic crises have always interested me. It's great to finally have it properly broken down and explained for me from a source I can trust. Brilliant work, as always!
Come for a visit!
Was in Argentina in early 1990. Buenos Aires is a world class city and Argentina itself is so vibrant with so much potential. Sad that it has been so badly managed.
@@CellarDoorAU :D
There is one point I don't think you know about, because the perpetrators were very careful not to permit for the truth to get widely known.
After the battle of Pavón, in which the general of the federales won the battle, but he decided to capitulate - some people says the reason for him to do so was that had some intestinal problems, others say the Logia Lautaro ordered him to let the unitarios win - Mitre (he was the general of the unitarios) attacked the civil population of the provincias federales, killed them widely and stole all the large haciendas from them and gave them to other members of the unitarios party, concentrating even more power in Buenos Aires and doing so, condemned the country to a even deeper state of underdevelopment. He was the owner of the "La Nación" the first large news paper in the country and one of the first in South America.
There is a second story going on, the perpetrators this time are two. The local oligarchy and the US Government. They have built private ports, from which they take millions of tons of cereals per year since 1976, out of the country not paying any kind of taxes for them and of course that money goes directly to the large banks abroad. The amount of lost taxes are not measurable anymore but we think trillions are gone.
As Argentinian, this all is VERY sad for me ...
Algún liberal va a ver esto y se le va a saltar un tornillo jajaja
@losherederosdealberdi xdddddddxddddd
Llama neoliberal a lo es basicamente mercantilismo.
@@danielcarrillo1557 esta con los apuntes que dan aca en peronia para enternizarse en el poder xddddddddd
@@francomonforte3765 no creo q puedas desmentir nada del video cabeza de termo
@@juani-ws8yt en el análisis de los 7 planes economicos ninguno pasa la prueba. Mira las reformas de Uruguay de 1974 hasta el 2004 eso si pasan la prueba
This was a great video. A really deep dive into an interesting historical narrative I knew nothing about. (As a Brit, I'm not surprised to hear that Britain managed to make a bad situation even worse. That's been our modus operandi for 400 years, and we're still doing it today.)
Excelente contribución! de los videos que he visto sobre Argentina me parece el mas justo y acertado con la historia, sobre todo porque en otros videos INSISTEN en que argentina tenía un PBI alto a principios del siglo XX y era un país rico. Sin embargo, la situación política era bastante inestable y conducida por gobiernos autoritarios, violentos y corruptos. La mayoría de los trabajadores muchos de ellos inmigrantes (en su mayoría españoles e italianos) vivían en condiciones paupérrimas, eran explotados y reprimidos (que paradoja un país que recurre a los inmigrantes a falta de mano de obra y luego los reprime ante sus reclamos como trabajadores) ¿Es eso un país rico? Entiendo que en otros video solo se habla de cuestiones económicas, pero como argentino no puedo dejar de mencionar el contexto en el cual se vivía. Es verdad que la Argentina se vio beneficiada entre 1880-1930 por la exportación de materias primas, el fomento de la inmigración y la inversión de capitales extranjeros pero eso no bastó. Los invitó a investigar mas, les proporciono datos que quizás no conozcan. Por favor investigar sobre la Conquista del Desierto, El grito de Alcorta, evasión impositiva de los frigoríficos Anglo, Armour y Swift, etc. Recomiendo la película "Asesinato en el Senado de la Nación". Saludos !!!
Pasa que a los pibitos los compran con ese verso. Amparados en "datos" y ca**ndose en el contexto. Ahora nos tenemos que bancar una fanaticada insoportable de "libertarios".
Pasa que los liberales de mierda están copando las redes y hasta los youtubers anglo dicen esa mierda la mayoría
Es verdad pero comparado con la situación actual no veo mejora.
Hablas de los inmigrantes como si los hubieran forzado a ir a Argentina.
Esos mismos inmigrantes que voluntariamente decidieron irse a vivir alli, hoy sus nietos tienen la suerte de tener pasaporte español y eligen *escapar* de allí e irse a vivir a aquel país del que originalmente vinieron.
Es cierto todo eso, pero los hechos son que desde el Rodrigazo no paramos de empeorar en todos los indicadores (con excepciones que duraron poco tiempo y no marcan una tendencia histórica). Pasamos de una pobreza de menos del 10% antes de la última dictadura militar, a tener ahora una pobreza de cerca del 50%. Y hay boludos que te venden esto como un éxito.
Thank you. I was always perplexed with Argentina’s economy. Now it makes more sense 👍
I started following you on Twitter a couple of days ago, cause I love how you mock these argentinian libertarians. As an argentinian myself, I can only congratulate you for this awesome video, which is incredibly accurate.
The problem is that most people in our country don't know a thing about history, and that's why we keep making the same mistakes over and over again.
Thank you for this great content
as always man, you put so much fucking research into all of this. mad respect for everything you put out, it has such a deep break down of history and the economics behind the politics, and how they all intertwine to create the world as it is
Argentina was never as rich as the first world, it was just underpopulated and extremely unequal in its beginnings.
underpopulated? or populated by indigenous people who hadn't yet had their land invaded and turned into crops, farms, and mines for maximum profit?
I've become really interested in Argentina bc of you and it's such a cool country! I mean none are perfect but it's got a lot going for it...
Very interesting and carefully weighed analysis. Congratulations! Although I believe Argentina did achieve a much wealthier state than mentioned here, compared to the richest countries in the world, even since the end of the nineteenth century too.
I totally agree that political "instability" and US hostility and sanctions are the keys to Argentina's decline. However, once again, as it has always been the case in most esseys in English, he forgot to mention that political instability was usually caused by the US backed military coups that have always backed the agricultural oligarchy.
Therefore, US hostility and political instability are two sides of the same coin.
It is surprising to see how most schoolars disregard the fact that democratic life in Argentina has been continuously interrupted and threatened since 1930, in allegiance to the US Govt interests. Hence the disastrous consequences of those interventions and threats of interventions in the policies and subsequent downfall of Argentina.
Excelente ensayo, BE, gracias por tomarte el trabajo!
This need spanish subtitles! Everytime i say that the neoliberal measures taked by the 1976 dictatorship and the Menem period where a catastrophy, the right wing economic "libertarians" movement with great popularity in the last few year, cant see it and blame every ideology but themselves, where theirs school of though are involved too in the crisis.
Argentina is having problems with "an"caps too ?!
Wow
I thought that this was a Brazilian internet issue only.
@@oanonimogreg6487 It´s a international issue. Chile and Spain too. These last years we are having a boom of the far-right and the libertarian right too, and both are agressive movements that in some topics they overlap each other and with a very powerful financial power behind and a large mass of young people following them and many appear in the mass media quite often, there are several youtubers and leaders such as Agustin Laje and Javier Milei (Argentina), Axel Kaiser (Chile), Gloria Álvarez (Guatemala), etc. I know that in the USA there is a boom too, but besides Spain I don't know how it will go in the rest of the world. Bad times good face. We need well-informed people who can stand up to them and disprove their massive manichean reductionist thinking. So, hold on BadEmpanada and keep the deep analysis and good work.
@@oanonimogreg6487 It's a campaign funded by the Atlas Foundation (Heritage Foundation)
@@e.d.r1546 i always thought that it was the Koch Brothers who wherre behind it
@@oanonimogreg6487 not sure if you're aware of Milei but he's a pro-life """an"""cap/"""libertarian""" economist that is kind of a meme now over here, along with Agustín Laje, another """"""libertarian"""""" (this one deserves even more quotation marks) that spouts the usual "cultural marxism" crypto-fash nonsense. Like the other guy said thankfully it seems to be just a vocal minority but you see their annoying fanboys all around social media with Trump profile pics and shit lmao, so disgusting.
This video is excellent and well researched. There are several presidencial candidates in Argentina who are not even remotely close to this level of political discussion and analysis. Yes, i'm looking at both of you, Milei and Mauricio.
What a fantastic history lesson, one of the best country bio's on the tube. Thank you for the information
Este video lo tendrían que ver los RUclipsrs delirantes que pululan por todo el internet.
Have you read the book "Sin Patron" on the worker run factories in Argentina? And if so, any thoughts?
Those factories only produce substandard products which cannot compete with "patron" owned companies, but subsist thanks to government subsidies. Argentina is the closest thing to a dystopia.
@@chapiit08 yeah yeah I'm sure that's true, which is why the bosses always needed so many subsidies and handouts just to go out of business anyways.
@@chapiit08 have you ever heard of this funny little place called the United States of America? Quite dystopian, where a group of 2 or 3 men run your life, watch your every second and reprogram your brain so that you consume more, more and yet more.
I am australian born and have lived in Argentina for nearly 20 years . The truth is that in this period Argentina had tremendous economic growth that was amongst the best of the world . From 2004 to 2011 the growth was nearly 10% each year and in that period many areas of Buenos Aires Rosario and the interior saw tremendous changes . Palermo Soho , Puerto Madero were built in that period from 2004 to 2011 and I lived through this and saw tremendous social changes and economic growth that would have been the envy of many countries . Now in 2021 it is a disaster here in Argentina with the peso hitting 200 for the dollar and wages amongst the lowest in the world . But until recently we were the wealthiest country of Latin America now we are just above Venezuela .
well, yes.
Chile kicks them with less territory, population, etc. and they have a better economy and it is a matter of years that they spend it with the pib
Chile is not the top 30-40 richest country list in the world 2023!
Is there a way we can contribute to translate Spanish captions in this video? We need it very much in Argentina itself.
Peopling the Prairies and the Pampas: The Impact of Immigration on Argentine and Canadian Agrarian Development, 1870-1930
Is an old work but is a good read, if anyone has any other works on the topic worth reading please let me know
Muy bueno, lo único: el Rodrigazo ocurrió por el plan de Gelbard y Perón de congelar los precios y aumentar la emisión. Rodrigo llegó y destapó la olla pero la presión la había creado Perón y Gelbard, causando que prolifere un gran mercado negro y escasez en varias ramas del comercio. Cuando muere Perón, era cuestión de tiempo para que todo se destape en mayor o menor medida, dado que no existía una figura política con autoridad para semajante caos social y económico.
Otro mito. La "crisis del petróleo" (un falso boycot lanzado con la excusa de la Guerra de Yom Kipur para elevar los precios del stock retenido por las grandes petroleras) empezó en Octubre/Noviembre de 1973. Gelbard testimonió que se reunió con Perón para explicarle que los precios importados llegaban inflacionados y había que flexibilizar los acuerdos de precios congelados y salarios a la suba (que habían sido exitosos hasta entonces por el aumento del consumo interior y la inversión. El propio Gelbard había lanzado la primera calculadora electrónica Cifra y estaba desplazando a Olivetti del mercado sudamericano; hay libros). Perón estuvo de acuerdo, pero luego Gómez Morales apoyado por López Rega anunciaban por radio que el congelamiento se mantenía. Tras la muerte de Perón, echaron a Gelbard y estallaron la economía.
@@elkolo18 Buen aporte e interesante, y agrego que en dicho caso, la culpa sigue siendo de Perón por pactar con la P2 y dejar a López Rega como heredero (y luego detrás a Masserita). Consecuencia de volver a cualquier precio...
@@HistoriaCritica2020 En todo caso, la culpa sería de los antiperonistas que se obsecaron en impedirle volver cuando aún estaba en condiciones de controlar a las facciones de sus seguidores. Llegaron al absurdo (pocas veces visto) de prohibir la mención de su nombre y de destruir sistemáticamente toda obra relacionada (hasta el Hospital de Niños casi terminado que se transformó en el "albergue Warnes"). En una entrevista con Mariano Grondona hace casi 20 años me admitió que lo dejaron volver recién cuando una de sus facciones (los Montoneros) se habían vuelto mucho más incontrolable de lo que el Peronismo nunca había sido (y que rápidamente se puso de acuerdo con Carcagno en liquidarlos). Las virtudes y defectos de Perón son discutibles pero las consecuencias del antiperonismo han sido desastrosas con cualquier parámetro de juicio.
Cuando un liberal culpando a otros x los desastres q se mandan Rodrigo hizo libetalismo economico ( como muchos piden ahora...) las consecuencias sabemos cuales fueron y como aparentemente nada de esto aprendimls hoy 2023 muchos piensan votar a los "herederos" de Rodrigo y despues sinicamente quejarse de las consecuencias q pais de mier..
So happy to see you're still doing these fully scripted videos. I understand the need to pump out content to feed The Algorithm, but this is the stuff I come to your channel for.
I don’t know if Argentina was rich or not. But when I was a teenager, in 1965, Florida had more beef cattle than Texas. And so did Argentina. And more beef was consumed annually, in Argentina than in America. Thanks, Capt Joe Kelley
Why do so many videos underestimate the 1955 millitary coup? I'm not saying you give a bad explanation in historic terms, but Peron wasn't just overthrown because economic factor X wasn't going really well. He was in conflict with the millitary and the curch too, his politics around separating religion from state were so ahead of it's time that still today we haven't been able to return to that debate. Peron wasn't just "some politician who gave poor citizen a couple of houses", he was one of the first and most important tools for argentinians to gain their rights once and for all. I'm not saying he was perfect, heck I'm not even saying anything about him as a person neither as a public figure, I'm treating him the same way as any other politician, as a means to an end.
Yeah I always wondered this because of that stunning architecture that contrasts with the mass slums and poverty
Existen solo dos clases de paises...los subdesarrollados y los subdesarrolladores
Cope
@@AscendedYield the worst cope is thinking otherwise and confusing privilege with real power. Also, cringe ass name
@@MultiReptilian still coping
Excelente
Ecolecua
Eh. Argentina never was that rich.
Thank you for this video. I had a course on Argentina in the 20th century and this was a great prespective to help me expand my indights and understanding of the background settings!
Love this...Love Argentine history
I don't, I suffer it
Its a nice country as long as you watch it from afar haha take it from an Argie
Argentine history is awesome to learn, and a pain to live it, not the worst of the worst tho.
Your history videos are always so good!
Bro you have to do a sequel of this. This is the best analysis of aregentina ive ever seen
Argentina is a very pacific country , so much that their habitants forgotted how to fight for their freedom and their lives . When the Argentine realise the incredible country they have , the will no longer enable a gang of corrupt politicians to steal their freedom and their national dignity . Im sure they will rise again as a regional power but the Argentine must fight .
Cool WELL SAID!!!!
yes.. we are VERY tame people😕
Thank you, we needed a good video on this topic.
I have had the good fortune to visit Argentina twice. The second time driving down to Mer de Plata, some 450km south of BA. It is country that has fascinated me for a long time. I consider myself well read on its history, however your analysis is very interesting and may I say compelling. I’m a Pom, living in Melbourne for many years, which in part explains my enduring interest. I look forward to watching more of your videos. Keep up the good work
I would like to see a video about the condor plan / project ... since from my point of view it was "the straw that broke the camel's back" in economic and social terms not only in Argentina but in the entire region.
-ps: many of the ills that have the beautiful American countries of Central and South America were caused by "foreign elements" greetings from Napoles. 🇦🇷❤️🇮🇹
Gracias Empanada por el video, muy didáctico..
It's too bad that America is going the way of Argentina now. Capitalism creates oligarchy which concentrates all wealth and power thus creating a fascist state dedicated to the Oligarchy.
We don't have the political instability. We even voted out Trump after one term.
This is an excellent video. So many videos on RUclips just uncritically regurgitate the same information, but this is well researched and extremely informative. Thank you for the work that went into it!
Excelente video, paré en el pacto Roca-Runciman para comentar cómo el forro de Roca dijo casi textual "Argentina es una colonia británica más"
Saudi Arabia of meat and wheat
Also probably one of your best videos yet!
It's funny (or rather obvious) how so much of Argentinian history coincides or is similar witb other Latin American countries, and it helps show how the usual comparisons with Australia (or US and UK) are completely ludicrous.
I know you wouldn't, considering the prohibitevly high amount of research and work that goes into a video like this, but I would love to have a similar video on other Latin American nations such as Chile, or Brazil.
If this was shortened more people would know this critical information. Excellent work!!👍
Excelente video, desde luego la idea de que Perón fue el culpable de todos los males que aquejan a Argentina es una pelotudez.
Pero tampoco es santo.
Nop, los culpables son los oligarcas de la generación del 80 y sus sucesores que nunca dejaron ni dejaran que este país se desarrolle
Peron, los militares, los oligarcas, los kukas, los globitos, los libertontos, todos culpables de la decadencia argentina. Ya va siendo hora de una revolución, pero no de izquierdas, sino de centro e integral
Another great video with GREAT political insight and accurate economic analysis. I perhaps might criticise an almost economic analysis of the problem, leaving the political culture of Argentina aside, which I think is also part of the problem: Argentina has a deep tradition of authoritarian culture, from which even Peronism couldnt extract itself, even if it was an essentially democratic movement (the fact that Peron was a military man himself tells the story). The way to wrestle power has been usually dire, with little concern for political liberties or institution-building. This has wordened the e instability of a particularly vulnerable economy, tied to commodities prices. I totally agree with your conclusion of the dictatorship of 76-83 was the main culprit of the sharp decline: it not only destroyed the economy, but it also destroyed the remnants of any moral authority of the State to apply whatever policy, and made eminent the hate and immoral nature of the oligarchic ideology. One thing I think you missed: that impulse of the oligarchy to totally forget the rest of the population’s interest talks about other thing: their racism, and that, with notable exceptions, they never thought of the country as a shared endeavour, but of their natural property... hence one comment of Borges in the 1960 to his good friend Bioy Casares: in one ocasion, talking about new protagonists of the Argentinian cultural sphere -most of them, with Italian surnames-, he said : “Adolfito, there are almost NO ARGENTINIANS LEFT”... of course, for Borges and his oligarchic friends, all that Italian rabble were not Argentinians... the only Argentinians were themselves....
Creo que todos los países de Latinoamérica tenemos esa fascinación por los líderes fuertes. De todas maneras me parece que responder la sonsera de que el peronismo es el culpable de todos nuestros males, con una demonización de la oligarquía tampoco sirve mucho. No me parece base para construir nada, porque para mal y para bien esa clase sentó las bases de lo que es el país, algunos hasta vertieron sangre en guerras. Tenés un de Hoz pero también tenés un Perito Moreno, que ese último aún siendo miembro de la Liga Patriótica en sus últimos años, por varios de sus gestos, como su sesión de las tierras que le dio el gobierno por su trabajo delimitando la frontera con Chile para la creación del Parque Nahuel Huapi con la intención de que los argentinos del mañana lo disfrutaran y estudiaran, me cuesta concluir que no creía que el país era un esfuerzo común. Son una clase que llevó al país por malas sendas, pero ya partíamos de un lugar complicado (estamos geográficamente aislados, nuestros ríos nunca fueron como el Misisipí o el Rin, altamente navegables -sin mencionar que los compartimos con otros países- y desde que existe el canal de Panamá, perdimos relevancia global para el mundo desarrollado fuera de nuestro valor neto como mercado, que no es exorbitante porque seguimos siendo un país despoblado, no tuvimos una fiebre del oro o nada parecido como sí tuvo Australia y la tierra que se arrebató a los indígenas en la Conquista del Desierto...no era mucha para empezar, no como en EE.UU. o Australia, como bien muestra este video). Lo del racismo hay que matizarlo también. El racismo a la estadounidense, donde había linchamientos de negros en el sur y de irlandeses en el norte, donde había segregación, donde habían pueblos que invitaban a los negros a no quedarse a pasar la noche porque no eran bienvenidos, es algo muy distinto a los "benignos" prejuicios mezquinos de nuestra clase dirigente. Sin por eso olvidar las lamentables condiciones en las que viven grupos indígenas hoy día en nuestro país, pero siento que esto también está más atravesado por las diferencias de clase que por las pseudobiológicas "raciales".
I see parallels with the country of the Philippines. Also, a Spanish colony.
@@BadEmpanada Similarly, they all left after the Spanish-American war when the US occupied the Philippines. However, the US instituted a landlord ruling class through upper class Filipino families.
@@BadEmpanada They didn't all leave. My friend is Filipina and she is descended from Spanish colonizers on her mom's side. And yes, they are super racist and obsessed with preserving their "pure" bloodline.
@@BadEmpanada That is true, under the American occupation many Spaniards left for the U.S., Latin America and Spain. World War 2 especially made most of them leave. Look at what happened in the Ermita district in Manila. The Ermitaño creole is no longer spoken (most of the native speakers died or emigrated) And also when sugar prices fell and all those sugar barons were no longer earning millions. I know a person married to a Spaniard apparently he still has land owned here basically a hacienda... (They were complaing how the workers were 'lazy') I guess there are many such cases where the landlord just doesn't reside here.
@@nathandrake5544 Obsession with racial purity is such a weird thing. I immediately think inbreeding whenever someone brings that up as serious discussion. Especially when your talking a minority population.
@@nathandrake5544 How can she have a pure bloodline when she is by definition mixed race and therefore a mutt?
Muchas veces he sostenido esta misma discusión con esos mismos argumentos (sin el exquisito academicismo de tu video), pero la gente no quiere la verdad.
Argentina’s economy being modelled on the modern American system has fallen drastically, the difference is that they fast-forwarded the system and has failed far sooner than America has so is an example as to what is about to happen to America, hopefully they are learning the mistakes made and will plot a different path for their economy.
This video is just gold. Thank you for doing this.
It makes me sad for my country (I don't think there's a way to fix it TBH), but you laid out the facts splendidly.
Lo gracioso es que al estar en ingles, los "libertarios" no lo ven. Te da la pauta de quienes son esos chicos y su nivel educativo. Son victimas de la campaña de gaslighting que existe respecto de Argentina (y claro, nunca sabran lo q es gaslighting). Muy buen video, aunque lamentablemente una rareza en internet. Saludos!
@@andraddya8447 Eso que acabás de afirmar es una correlación externa, no fundamentada en datos reales. Otra forma de denominarlo es simplemente "prejuicio". Se lo usa frecuentemente como sustituto del verdadero conocimiento, ya que el prejuicio está al alcance de cualquiera, sobre todo cuando la persona en cuestión no tiene muchas luces ni voluntad de aprender.
@@marcomartins3563 Yeah, they are all such a bunch of ignorant kids. They call themselves "libertarios"... You know them, don´t you? jaja
@@andraddya8447 el problema es que no soy peronista. Solamente no soy estupido. Que te sea leve la vida. Suerte
Hola, acá un liberal. No lo vemos porque no tiene muchas visitas y no es conocido el canal.
No espero que entiendas de RUclips y algoritmos igual, ya estás grande para estas cosas.
@@srta.carlota696 jaja esta bien. Me alegro que tengan un par "liberales" que saben ingles y que les avisen cuando pasan estas cosas. Son comicos realmente. Y organizaditos y todo Jajaj. Bueno, que le vaya bien.
Italian / Argentinian here, I just went on to say that at least for me ... it is very sad to see how my beautiful American country continues to suffer, because of the bad decisions made over the years.
-Pd: I really enjoyed the video (even knowing all this stuff since school) so...keep the good work man, I wish you the very best. 🇦🇷❤️🇮🇹
"Italian Argentian" says the guy from monte chingolo
Buen video, muchos se olvidan el mal que le hizo la ultima dictadura al país y ni hablar de los posteriores gobiernos hasta el 2001
Por qué hasta 2001? Yo diría todos y cada uno desde 1816, y me temo que hasta me quedo corto.
Opinión impopular: el virreinato fue la mejor epoca, aunque haya gente que lo niego y lo trate de refutar 🦄
as an argentine whos watching this with tears in the eyes, what a fucking massive work, thanks
I've seen some of those other videos you mention at the beginning. They make ignorant statements with such certainty, it's infuriating. Thanks for telling it like it is, and doing so in detail. You clearly did your homework, I was actually surprised at the depths you went into. You got yourself a new subscriber.
Excelente video.
Great video. Learned a lot about the country i didn't know.
are there plans to add spanish caption to this one? i really want to be able to share it to my non-english speaking "we were a global superpower until Peron" relatives
Average Argentines are doing better than average Americans. Argentines have a net savings rate, vs net in debted household income in the US and Europe.
So? How is that better? It's ideal, but not necessarily better in mixed market economies.
Please don't repeat this ever again. This blatantly false.
Average argentine is poorer than average american.
Average american owns a car. Average argentine doesn't.
Minimum salary in Argentina: 166USD.
Minimum salary in USA: 1.256USD.
US inflation: 4.2%
ARG inflation: 48.8%
US poverty rate: 12%
Argentina poverty rate: 42% (children povery rate 52%)
te amo empnadita querido
Un libertardo va a ver esto y se le va a zafar un tornillo
@@tomas12romero30 por ejemplo?
@@tomas12romero30 jajaja buscá el video sobre neoliberalismo en este canal. Básicamente estás planteando todos los falsos presupuestos que plantea la derecha y a los cuales se responde con argumentos y fuentes en el video. Te falta verlo, o bien entenderlo, o bien hacer algún trabajo psicológico previo que te permita asimilarlo.
@@tomas12romero30 Que diferencia que hay en estos pibes que por poner items y escribir cosas quieran tener la razón, con aquellos que leen y se informan bien. Tu escuelita fue RUclips, cuando cumplas 20 años venia a escribir lo mismo para ver si te animas. Patetico.
Amazing video. I would like to know your thoughts on the near future of the country. I know it's nearly impossible to predict these things, but you seem to be very informed on the matter and I'd like to know your opinion on that. Do you happen to have any plans for something like that by any chance?
so it seems that only a very few well born were actually rich, but very rich. Somehow as I have travelled in Argentina and seen it today I am not surprised. The main myth is that riches are around the corner (just like the U.S.).
as an argentino i can say that this is a greath video. but its almost a lost fight against the gas lighting oligarchy
@@andraddya8447 pero las pymes no son oligarcas. los oligarcas se dedicaban en su momento al agro y hoy en dia a la timba financiera, no a tener una fabrica de zapatillas nacionales
Could the fact that 60 percent of the population lives in the city and the province of Buenos Aires have an effect on the country's development?
Nice video Fidel.
If you don't believe in the power of old money, watch this.
I think Venezuela's case is even mythier. At leat Argentina was able to achieve relatively high standards of living for the region. Venezuela is hard to see why they were ever considered "wealthy", even before Chavez.
"four decades of uninterrupted democracy"
de la rua: am i a joke to you?
What wasn't discussed at all in the video, and hardly discussed in all the prior comments, is that Argentina was stuck until quite late with a land-owning oligarchy the way it was, because the British were defeated in their attempts to capture Buenos Aires in 1806-07. Otherwise, the oligarchy would have long since been broken up and there would have been plenty of room for British settlement in rural areas. This way, Argentina (including Uruguay as a province) would have developed along the lines of Australia or Canada, with a bilingualism reminiscent of Canada or (white) South Africa. Plus, given that this video was presented by someone from Australia, it should be pointed out that there are plenty of physical/climate similarities - as well as both being predominantly white (unlike South Africa) - between Argentina/Uruguay and Australia. Not to mention between Melbourne and Buenos Aires, and between Sydney and Montevideo, in terms of the overall character and atmosphere (not necessarily in terms of size differences, though.).
Te amo, loco. Gracias
Extremely informative video, thanks for making it!
I'd try to learn spanish just to read your sources 🙂
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@@waddysoap4868 のう
@@waddysoap4868 no u
Only be careful with Eduardo Sartelli on any subject pertaining LGBT+ and indigenous liberation
Do learn some Spanish; it's not that difficult, English has lots of Latin roots, and lots of people in the US speak Spanish, so it really opens "vistas"... (look out, I'm shifting to Spanglish!) You can even go to a nearby country and do an immersion program and quickly learn enough to go to any country and really spend some time to get fluent, volunteering or teaching English. Just do it. Ya got one life.
Great and comprehensive video. I appreciate it.
Muy buen análisis, gracias !