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I don't think so, but some schools are going to cut down to bare number of sports. Other schools may go none scholarship or drop down to a lower level of division.
Former SSU baseball player. Would also like to point out that just 6 months ago the school let go of the head baseball coach, John Goelz, after 39 years. They hired a new coach who moved his family here from Oregon, only to blindside him 5 months later that he’ll be losing his job. Everything this administration has done has been a complete joke.
@@brodiebrazil That has the earmarks of someone suddenly discovering the inconvenient source of a constant money drain. Typically, people are going to lose their livelihoods to obscure the truth as long as possible. I remember seeing ads for SSU on RUclips as recently as early January. They featured beaming students and cheerleaders holding “GO SEAWOLVES” placards at their arena. How soon after those ads were in the can did they decide sports had to go?
The math doesn’t math dude. It sucks for everyone involved, but a school doesn’t survive a 30% drop in enrollment in a decade, let alone afford to continue bleeding money with athletics.
Sorry, but out of control spending on athletics is one of the reasons SSU is where they are now. Spending $3.7 million per year on sports for 227 students is outrageous and is appropriately being stopped.
As a former D1 basketball player in the early 70’s, I HATE what D1 college athletics has become. It has morphed into a semi-pro league for aspiring athletes and coaches, who receive large amounts of money and have no allegiance to the university they currently represent. When a better deal comes along, they are gone! Most D1 athletes couldn’t care less about obtaining a degree. That’s why it’s so sad to see smaller schools, which more closely resemble the purity of college sports, be forced into this position. 😔
Most of these schools did it too themselves with ever expanding administrative positions that are 100k plus a year per position. Less kids wanting to take on a 40k debt burden for a degree in a generation where there are already less kids. There are plenty of videos about it not all but for sure the lower-mid tier schools are in for a bad next 10-20 years. I’m not upset at it as the university system has needed a reset or slap in the face for decades now. Only people it sucks for are those who attended and now it looks bad on their resume that the went to a university that’s no longer exist and can’t get transcripts.
I would say the non scholarship conferences and schools will be fine. What I am concern about is that the smaller schools in size and budget are going to try to do NIL when they can't afford to do.
I was at SSU when we lost the football team and it had a huge impact on the community feeling around campus. We rallied around our excellent soccer program as well as basketball and soft/baseball etc. To lose all of it will sink enrollment. All athletes who want to stay in the county will go to SRJC now. It is also a bad move to wait until the transfer portal closed to make this call, stranding these students for the semester.
I’m pretty sure there are exceptions when things like this happen but the fact most places they’ve could’ve gone have more than likely filled that role.
I don't understand why no one in leadership was watching the budget in both sports and academics to see the clear signs they was in trouble from a financial stand point. From the academic side of things they should of be actively monitoring enrollment and graduation rates for all the different programs. Cutting under performing programs as needed.
I am an SSU Grad from 15 years ago when enrollment was at its peak. The baseball field is a great place to relax under the redwoods during a game. The attendance at all sporting events was usually worse than high school sports and the tickets were usually less than $5. Feels like a missed opportunity with pro sports over an hour away. They never got locals or students invested enough to attend games.
You overestimate how desirable of a product 7th tier (guess) college baseball could ever be. Why would someone pay $5 for something at a college they are already paying tens of thousands of dollars to? It used to be students could go for free because there was a concept of school spirit. Charging any amount is not school spirit. There's also the fact that some majors demand a level of commitment that is on par with a full time job with overtime. For those students, the priorities in their free time are sleep, food, sex, booze, professional networking, in no particular order. For myself being an active soccer player, my own athletics were also a priority. Even today I would rather go play myself before I will sit down and watch a top level pro game. I think college sports indistry just drank too much of its own koolaid, and in its own brain thinks itself far more important than general society does.
A lot of students struggling with not finding work after college is more of a concern coming from a sports fan. College needs to show it's a good investment again
The university allowed everyone in to make more money. The problem is not everyone can be a doctor, lawyer, teacher, etc. There are only so many jobs is each industry and college has allowed more people in that those industries need. That ultimately lead to more “competition” in the job market which funny enough drives wages down as every would rather have lower paying job than no job.
@@ldcow3948 I wonder did the school have any trade programs that was backed by local businesses. One of the schools I went to had trade programs that the local businesses was supporting and almost everyone in the program had a job upon graduation.
38% drop in enrollment says it all. This is happening , maybe lesser degree, across the country as college enrollment is falling. Smaller schools are affected first. ( private also)
Yeah and schools should’ve seen it coming. There are less kids today than there were 30 years ago. All these administrators not one checked a demographics chart. On top of more kids realizing that 40k in debt might not be their best option and choosing different options other than school. University are in for a rough 10-20 years as at best the demographics will take 20+ years to affect college and that’s if another baby boom started now.
@@ldcow3948 College degrees can now be done completely online. The military with a new administration will gain more people. Higher education is going to go through a major overhaul which is probably needed. This country has way too many colleges and the smaller and the private colleges that don't have a huge donor base are going to fail. Community colleges also are a better option than a 4 year school.
A lot of the Big West schools cut their D1 football programs back in the 90's. Had a couple good programs with a few of the schools so they joined other conferences. But, I went to a couple games at Long Beach State when I was a freshman and there were less people attending than my high school games.
I just graduated from Sonoma. Lots of issues from administration standpoint. Lovely little school tucked away in Rohernt Park. Sad news for many departments.
Rohnert Park, CA (home of Sonoma State) Native here. Got to see Hall of Famer Larry Allen play at Football at SSU back in the 90s, then after the program folded, I ran at SSU's track as a local Rancho Cotate HS Track Athlete. This is all so Mind-Blowing. SSU was thriving, with new facilities being built like dorms, Library/Media Center, and of course, SPORS facilities. SSU Baseball, Soccer and Softball were all outstanding programs...but to eliminate all of the DEGREE PROGRAMS as well...wow...what's left?? What's still standing?? Seeing this unfold from a far is painful. And as an OAKLAND A's Fan...let's just say it's all been quite a shock.
I was never a student at Sonoma state but I was a student at srjc for about 6 years. That's short for Santa Rosa Junior College for those reasons who are not from Sonoma county, but anyways I have when working for doordash and for Uber Eats made a lot of deliveries from various fast foods and restaurants to a variety of different students at Sonoma State so it's going to be definitely a big surprise at the sports are gone and it does make me wonder if fewer people are going to order from Sonoma State.
Reading a couple of articles with headlines similar to this one indicate no one should be surprised at the stresses around campus : Sonoma State University in crisis: $24 million budget blow follows ‘constant chaos’ of leadership scandals, disasters, enrollment decline
Im a SSU geology alum, a department as old as the school itself, and they are planning to do away with them as well. Please join the fight to keep the SSU Geology dept alive!!
24 degree programs being cut are: Art History (BA) Art Studio (BFA) Dance (BA) Earth and Environmental Sciences (BA) Economics (BA) Education Leadership (MA) English (MA) French (BA) Geology (BS) German (Minor) Global Studies (BA) History (MA) Interdisciplinary Studies (BA and MA) Philosophy (BA) Physical Science (BA) Physics (BA and BS) Public Administration (MPA) Spanish (MA) Theatre Arts (BA) Women and Gender Studies (BA)
I am an alum of San Jacinto College in Pasadena, TX, a junior/community college in suburban Houston. Back in the 80's and 90's San Jac was a power house in men's basketball in the NJCAA. During the men's basketball team's 57 year history, there were 21 national tournament appearances, 8 trips to the NJCAA men's championship game, and four national championships. Where is that program today? Gone. In 2018 the team played its last game. At the same time, the college district (three campuses, with athletic programs primarily were at the north campus but men's basketball was at the central campus. To my knowledge there now are no athletic programs at the south or central campuses) also dropped men's soccer, as well as women's basketball and volleyball. None have come back. I am not holding my breath for their return. My youngest son is an alum of Lon Morris college in Jacksonville, TX. Like San Jacinto, this school also had won NJCAA championships. The school closed due to financial issues in 2012. The school was known for its focus on the arts. At the time of its closing, the school was working toward bringing a football program back to the school. It ceased at the beginning of the second world war. For a college in financial trouble, deciding to start a new athletic program, particularly one with a high investment cost like football, might not have been the wisest decision.
Thanks for talking about this Brodie. I remember every summer going to the Sonoma State baseball camps, and going to basketball and soccer games. This is such a heartbreaking development, I hope that this is not a permanent thing.
Meanwhile, Sacramento State is exploring the possibility of moving to FBS that includes a proposed new stadium. If the cuts to the CSU system are that severe, where is Sacramento State going to find the money to make that happen?
Sac State will get the money, but only by raising student fees even more and taking even more of that money for intercollegiate athletics. Until it all collapses financially.
I’m a SF State grad with a son at CSU Monterey Bay. College education options for the middle seems disappearing and with that sports programs. SF State cut football back in the 90’s.
As of August 1, 2024, the interim president of Sonoma State University (SSU), Dr. Emily F. Cutrer, earns an annual salary of $381,408. She also receives a monthly housing allowance of $5,000, and is eligible for other benefits. The University administrators are bankrupting our state, along with high dollar police and fire chiefs. Time for a pay cut.
You are 100% correct, I worked for SSU for about 15 years and I can tell you that Admin and management is grossly overpaid !!!! If every Admin and upper management employee was was given a 25% pay cut they'd still be overpaid. It's ridiculous what they pay these admin employees !! These people absolutely WAY OVERPAID and no one gets a pay cut ever !! and rarely is anyone ever laid off. CRAZY !!!
I competed in sports both at the high school and college level. It transforms your life. I can't imagine not having sports at the school(s) you attend. This is a very sad situation indeed!
I don't say this with any pleasure, but small colleges all over the country are under extreme pressure for several reasons. First, there has been an increasing difference between the percentage of young men and young women attending college, with more women going to college than men. For whatever reason, young men are not going to college as much now as twenty years ago. Perhaps this is attributable to the increasing cost of college and the debt incurred by college students. There is another demographic problem that will manifest itself next year that will devastate small schools all over the country: Eighteen years ago in 2008 the birthrate plummeted as a result of the banking crisis and the recession that occurred at that time .This is going to result in many fewer students graduating from high school this spring and applying to college for the fall.
Another reason for the CSU budget cuts are related to California states budget deficit. I believe the proposed budget plan lowered funding to public universities. Definitely smaller schools are being impacted by this but also low attendance.
And in their first game back after slashing the football team they drew 44,000 fans, which in an old 80,000 stadium in a city with tons of UAT and AU fans I think is really good, just a shame their football program is taking a nosedive again because of Dilfer
SSU spends $3.7 million on its athletic department and has only 227 athletes. That is more than $16,000 per year per athlete to provide them with full time coaches, travel across the state and beyond, and athletic staff to organize and promote it. This is way too much taxpayer subsidy for one half of one percent of the student body. Thank you Mr. Brazil for being open to the notion that the entire system is unstainable, especially at the DII level where there is next to no meaningful sponsorship or attendance income.
College costs are completely out of control. I don't understand where all the money is going for tuition? My tuition was just under $500/semester for full time back in the early 90's. My youngest is $19,000/semester for a public college. I can say that his education isn't that much better than mine was. My oldest son costs were $7500 for all four years at a community college for a 4 year bachelors degree in cybersecurity just a year ago when he graduated. 👍🤠 How about paying college athletes now and the burden on the colleges for this? The highest paid Texas employee's are the head football coaches in the state colleges right now by a large margin.
Sonoma State is literally in a tough spot. San Francisco State, Sacramento State, Cal State East Bay, UC Berkeley, UC Davis are all basically within a two hour drive. I know the population across California should be there to support that number of institutions, but Sonoma is in a large city or close-in suburb like the other schools.
Lol 24 degree programs are being canceled, and almost all these comments are focusing on the athletic program. 24 degrees, people … their financial problems go way beyond athletics.
@@psullivan9299 well that comment is very interesting cuz it applies to virtually every college athletic endeavor, too. Except both experiences allow the individual to grow, learn, and figure out the things that make a person successful in life.
Birmingham-Southern was another small school that ended its program due to budget cuts. They made an markable run in last year’s College World Series ⚾️
UCR almost did the same thing after the pandemic but was able to gather enough funds to keep sports but if a D1 UC struggles with this I can’t imagine how a D2 CSU is dealing with this
I know a little about this as I got my Bachelor's Degree from a state school in PA where my dad worked. (Bloomsburg University of PA, now Commonwealth University - Bloomsburg). It is a D2 school and often competitive in it's conference and made a lone, losing appearance in the D2 national title game. It is my impression (which may be wrong) that even the football program costs the school money. So, it's not like the D1 titans where the football team and/or basketball team can carry the entire athletic department. Unfortunately, California has many more pressing problems that sports at its smaller schools.
Washington State University Vancouver started out as a two year a branch campus of the state's land-grant institution WSU in Pullman Washington. The current campus opened in 1996. In Fall 2006, WSU Vancouver admitted freshmen and sophomores for the first time and began offering lower-division courses. Do not feel that there will ever be sports programs at this particular location.
The population of young people in this country, grades K-12, goes down each year for the foreseeable future. This means the population of potential students goes down accordingly. Smaller private schools are already completely shuttering due to this and other trends (cost, cost…). There’s ways to take care of that which are not bolstered by the new administration’s borderline genocidal policies. Mind you, living in a city with a popular MLS team and major junior hockey, I know about alternatives to college sports. We might want to look at this.
This is a canary in the coal mine moment for college sports. The money is no longer there except for those who somehow survive the NIL minefield. How long before a Division One school pulls the plug?
I'm a graduate of the University of Nevada-Reno. Went there at the same time as Colin Kaepernick played for the Wolf Pack. Around that time, Nevada paid $5 million to move from the WAC to the Mountain West, and I loudly criticized the school and the state government for throwing five million bucks at the football program at a time during a recession when academics were suffering from a budget crunch. As unpopular opinions go, the reaction I got went over like a red political hat at Seattle May Day. I love sports, but I love college being primarily geared toward its academic mission, especially a state school that was established specifically to produce an educated population and qualified workforce (that's a debate for another forum on another day), a whole lot more.
Brodie,take a look as well at the leadership at the very top of SSU the past 4-5 years( controversies abound) and brining in an AD from D1, making D1 decisions at a D2 school that did the lead balloon thing. ( also online learning is 1/3- 1/4 the cost)
As a high level sports official this is also concerning. The west coast, specifically California has been plummeting as far as colleges and sports to. PAC 12 disbanding. Also, males are increasingly not going to college as these universities are commonly anti masculine
I know this sounds shocking, but many smaller schools are using athletic departments to boost enrollment. I can only speak to college wrestling when it comes to this, but that sport is gaining programs pretty steadily at the non-Division I level. (women's wrestling is growing like wildfire, to the point that it's been added as an NCAA Championships sport literally in the last couple of weeks, but even men's wrestling is growing below Division I) It's Division I where the offerings have flatlined or shrunk slightly (Cleveland State announced they were dropping wrestling, along with women's golf and softball, earlier this week, for example).
I think most schools do not make a profit on their football programs. Only the big football schools make a profit due to tickets, media rights, and merchandising
I think you’re the only one that understands this. I forget the ESPN writer, but he wrote a book around 2009 and said 75% of programs lose money on football. Everyone just thinks revenue when it’s really net profit.
UCSF doesn't have sports. They did a funny commercial a long time ago asking if we'd rather chose a school that produces great athletes or one that produces great doctors.
I think college sports as we know it is going to go away within 20 years. College football and basketball will seperate themselves from the colleges and become minor leagues.
Sadly, the part about football really bringing the money for the rest is very accurate. Can they come back... sure.. I've seen it back in NY.. but unless the budget is increased.. money drives everything and these are education facilities not pro sports teams.. it's a well known fact though... football funds almost the entire sports programs for most colleges.. with only the basketball programs even coming close to break even/making money.. I know I went to a school that didn't have a football team (well, soccer.. ) but they were there but most didn't bother..
I in my day job I work in higher education. The US has a declining population, especially in college age kids. In other words, there are less kids graduating high school now then there were even 5-10 years ago. There are far more slots for incoming kids at colleges in the US, then there are kids to fill those seats. That is the bottom line, enrollment. Enrollment drives every other choice on a college campus, because that is where the funds come from. This will get worse, and will happen more frequently.
Unfortunately, this will not be the last or in my opinion the most drastic steps taken. My son was at Holy Names University in Oakland when they announced the elimination of athletics then shortly after closed the entire university two years ago. The CSU campuses are all in a budget crunch due to how the funding is done year to year. Sonoma, SF State, Cal Maritime and East Bay are all experiencing 25%+ reductions in enrollments. East Bay cut positions and water polo from their athletics dept. last year as part of their budget reduction plan. Cal Maritime Academy merged with Cal Poly SLO due to lack of money to operate. Many of the CSU's are in serious budgetary trouble.
So, I was just reading an article from WFMZ Allentown, PA and they are saying that the Penn State University system has around a 40% enrollment drop in the last decade. People are afraid they will close various campuses around the Commonwealth, so it seems like this might be a nationwide problem.
the city of rohnert park also doesnt do anything to premote the sports programs and they dont want therir town to turn into a college town. its such a bummer that this is happening.
As college enrollment drops and the changes to college sports alignments, there will be more of this. The sport needs to have a sense of financial viability otherwise they will be at heavy risk of getting cut.
St Francis College in Brooklyn, a former Division 1 school in the Northeast Conference pulled the plug on their entire sports program after the conclusion of last season 2023-24. As the price tag of college sports goes up, especially for the “have nots” there will be more of this. I’m expecting a legal challenge to the minimum required number of teams (currently 14) to field to be eligible for D1. When that goes down, lots more Olympic sports will be on the chopping block and more of the small schools will just give up entirely.
Born in the USA, Raised in Lagos Nigeria / Africa, Been back in America since my teenage. Did highschool & college in the USA . 6 years as a banker for JP Morgan chase during the 2008 Market Crash! Worked as a career counselor for the economic development department of the state of California for 11 years! I say all that to say, Organized Sports are a luxury! Good Schools are a luxury, Good communities are a luxury, a good neighbor is a luxury….. America / Americans lost track of the bare necessities and built everything on credit and a fake economy! The chickens always come to roost ….. this is roosting season ! This is only the start! My recommendation, charity begins at home!
California is the economic powerhouse it is because of its long investment in education. Google can directly trace its lineage back to Stanford. HP before that, etc. The problem is the that the cost of tuition increased faster than the incomes people could realistically be, this is more apparent at smaller schools like SF State and Sonoma State than Berkeley or Stanford.
I'm honestly surprised just to hear any news from the North bay. Bay Area News seems to always talk about the East Bay and the South Bay and San Francisco itself but you just never hear about the North Bay at all. I'm from Santa Rosa which is the biggest city in wine country and the biggest city in the North Bay and the fifth most populated city of the San Francisco Bay area. Rohnert Park is just one town south from us and I go to Rohnert Park all the time and as somebody who has done a lot of doordash delivery work I've made a lot of deliveries to students who pretty much live on Sonoma State and even doing Uber Eats deliveries on the side while doing a full-time job I have now I've made a lot of deliveries to students at Sonoma State and it kind of makes me wonder if it's going to be completely true that fewer people are going to go to school at Sonoma State and therefore I'm going to have fewer deliveries to go there. It's not exactly impactful thing because I can deliver to other locations and to be honest sometimes it's a chore to deliver to Sonoma State students because it can be complicated and really get to where I'm supposed to go even with some extra details although I've kind of begun to memorize where to go, but ultimately it's just strange that Sonoma state is going through this although come to think of it maybe it's not really that much of a surprise. I mean who else has gone pro playing sports at Sonoma State besides the legendary Larry Allen? I get that's not the point, but I'm just saying. It doesn't seem like it be profitable to keep this going if they are hemorrhaging money. On top of that it seems pretty clear to me that Santa Rosa Junior College which is where I went for my higher education instead of Sonoma State, it seems srjc is actually continuously expanding over the years and even though Sonoma state is a State University as opposed to a junior college or Community College like srjc is, the honest truth is I'm seeing a lot of growth and new buildings at it and new things added here and there for srjc and additional campuses and so on while Sonoma State doesn't appear to be expanding at all so to me it really seems like the people who live in this area just would rather go to srjc than go to SSU. And that shouldn't be a surprise. Santa Rosa Junior College has been seen as one of the better junior colleges in the country and it's considerably a lot more affordable to go there than to go to SSU. You can get the higher education you need at a much better price. You're not going to get a more advanced degree sure but what you can get could still lead to a potential career depending on the field you study. On top of that I think it's pretty clear that just in general a lot more people are just learning that going to college especially these expensive universities is just not really worth it anymore. It's just so expensive and nobody can really afford it and those who get student loans sure they are able to take the classes but they graduate and most the time never get into the fields they studied and are in debt for the rest of their lives. The risk is just not worth it. It appears to me that trade schools are the way to go. And I think a lot of people are seeing that. Not to mention a lot of online schools that can get you the credentials you need for high demand fields are way more affordable and there's even some that exists that actually pay you to study for them which motivates you to actually take the classes so that you actually make money before you graduate. I believe they make a profit once you actually get into your field of study by actually taking a portion out of your paychecks to pay back how much you made from studying under them.
A bigger question is will Sonoma State itself still be around in recognizable form in 10 - 20 years. Lots of small colleges are disappearing, due to falling enrollment.
I live in Rohnert Park where Sonoma state is located and I have to say I think theres a 50% chance that in ten years Sonoma State is out of business and closed down.
I graduated from an D2 school in PA and we currently only give school sponsored scholarships for football. The rest of the sports relay on the boosters to give monetary scholarships. Did they try this model at all?
Unfortunately with the whole NIL and paying players situation, it's only going to get worse. I envision other CSU schools doing the same thing because of declining revenues and enrollments.
I played for another school that was in the same conference 30 years ago, could have sworn they were the Cossacks. Wonder when they changed. Money is probably disappearing into administrator salaries. That's the real reason tuition has gone up so much over the years.
Brodie, I believe if Sonoma state, Humboldt state, Chico state, Cal state Eastbay, sf state, stanislaus state, Azusa pacific , and UC merced started a D2 football program, enrollment would go up. Football brings school spirit. These schools have no football teams and feels like commuter schools, football is needed on campus.
Sonoma is just the beginning. You glossed over the underlying cause. Population decline. The US replacement rate dropped below 2.1 17 years ago. This is the first year that there are going to be fewer students applying to go to college, probably since WWII. I have friends who are teachers at the CC level in cal and enrollment is crashing all across the state. (Cal started early on population replacement decline). We have too many colleges for the incoming students. It will be decades before this hits the big prestigious schools but there is going to be a huge culling in both small state colleges and small liberal arts colleges. While sad for all the reasons you list, my college experience was life defining, losing sport will be just a minor blip in this crisis.
This is the consequence of treating college athletics like they are professionals (even before NIL). Oh they need home uniforms, away uniforms, third uniforms, and 4th uniforms. Oh the school should pay for equipment costs. Oh the school should pay for scholarships for all involved. Oh the school should be paying for professional coaches for an amateur sport. Oh the school should pay for an indoor practice facility. Oh the school should pay for this that and the other that has absolutely no bearing on the general student body or even on the athletes themselves taking the field. Whatever happened to going out together as a team and hosting a carwash if the team needs new uniforms? Why is it every other student's responsibility to pay for athlete-students to be given privileges that nobody else gets? I applaud the college for taking this bold step to try and keep education affordable for ALL of its students, rather than just an already privileged handful of students.
Is it really the responsibility of an "academic" institution to to uphold, maintain, foot the bill as it were to provide athletic sports programs for aspiring athletes who are simply using the institution as a stepping stone to potential professional sports careers? Maybe it's time more of the cost to sustain sports at the academic level be compensated by those who ultimately benefit the most from their success... the professional teams.
College sports is going the way of the dodo bird. Eliminations are starting at the smaller schools then it will spread to the bigger schools. The NFL and the NBA will finally develop a true minor league similar to baseball and hockey.
I pray they don’t lose there sports program’s pulled this is what drives kids to take there skills to the next level an education purposes for all those athlete’s.
Sonoma state is a joke. Same with cal Poly Humboldt. Where me and at least 20% of other students were forced to get a degree while homeless because they refuse to help build more housing.
California is so irresponsible when it comes to spending during budget surpluses. Instead of creating reserves when times are good with tax revenue they increase spending to match it which results in the need for massive budget cuts when there is an inevitable decrease in tax revenue.
I expect that there will be more of these closings. There are less traditional age College kids starting now across the country. I wonder when Division 1 schools happen next.
Hollywood is losing its place in American culture. NFL, NBA and college athletics ratings are slipping too according to some channels on YT. Maybe in a bigger picture a cultural shift is underway?
The only shocking thing is it has taken this long for this house of cards to collapse. It’s sad for the kids that don’t get to play but it’s great news for the kids that have to pay
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Thank you for making a video on this. My cousin played softball at Sonoma State and she’s very upset over this.
I don't think so, but some schools are going to cut down to bare number of sports. Other schools may go none scholarship or drop down to a lower level of division.
Former SSU baseball player. Would also like to point out that just 6 months ago the school let go of the head baseball coach, John Goelz, after 39 years. They hired a new coach who moved his family here from Oregon, only to blindside him 5 months later that he’ll be losing his job. Everything this administration has done has been a complete joke.
geeze, that's super unfortunate.
@@brodiebrazil That has the earmarks of someone suddenly discovering the inconvenient source of a constant money drain. Typically, people are going to lose their livelihoods to obscure the truth as long as possible.
I remember seeing ads for SSU on RUclips as recently as early January. They featured beaming students and cheerleaders holding “GO SEAWOLVES” placards at their arena. How soon after those ads were in the can did they decide sports had to go?
I’m sure he get severance pay must be in contract
The math doesn’t math dude. It sucks for everyone involved, but a school doesn’t survive a 30% drop in enrollment in a decade, let alone afford to continue bleeding money with athletics.
Sorry, but out of control spending on athletics is one of the reasons SSU is where they are now. Spending $3.7 million per year on sports for 227 students is outrageous and is appropriately being stopped.
As a former D1 basketball player in the early 70’s, I HATE what D1 college athletics has become. It has morphed into a semi-pro league for aspiring athletes and coaches, who receive large amounts of money and have no allegiance to the university they currently represent. When a better deal comes along, they are gone! Most D1 athletes couldn’t care less about obtaining a degree. That’s why it’s so sad to see smaller schools, which more closely resemble the purity of college sports, be forced into this position. 😔
Most of these schools did it too themselves with ever expanding administrative positions that are 100k plus a year per position. Less kids wanting to take on a 40k debt burden for a degree in a generation where there are already less kids.
There are plenty of videos about it not all but for sure the lower-mid tier schools are in for a bad next 10-20 years. I’m not upset at it as the university system has needed a reset or slap in the face for decades now.
Only people it sucks for are those who attended and now it looks bad on their resume that the went to a university that’s no longer exist and can’t get transcripts.
I would say the non scholarship conferences and schools will be fine. What I am concern about is that the smaller schools in size and budget are going to try to do NIL when they can't afford to do.
Then support club sports
Then maybe fans should actually put there money with there mouths and support club sports. College sports wants there cake and eat it to.
I was at SSU when we lost the football team and it had a huge impact on the community feeling around campus. We rallied around our excellent soccer program as well as basketball and soft/baseball etc. To lose all of it will sink enrollment. All athletes who want to stay in the county will go to SRJC now. It is also a bad move to wait until the transfer portal closed to make this call, stranding these students for the semester.
I’m pretty sure there are exceptions when things like this happen but the fact most places they’ve could’ve gone have more than likely filled that role.
I don't understand why no one in leadership was watching the budget in both sports and academics to see the clear signs they was in trouble from a financial stand point. From the academic side of things they should of be actively monitoring enrollment and graduation rates for all the different programs. Cutting under performing programs as needed.
I am an SSU Grad from 15 years ago when enrollment was at its peak. The baseball field is a great place to relax under the redwoods during a game.
The attendance at all sporting events was usually worse than high school sports and the tickets were usually less than $5. Feels like a missed opportunity with pro sports over an hour away. They never got locals or students invested enough to attend games.
Larry Allen would be turning over in his grave over this!!!
You overestimate how desirable of a product 7th tier (guess) college baseball could ever be. Why would someone pay $5 for something at a college they are already paying tens of thousands of dollars to? It used to be students could go for free because there was a concept of school spirit. Charging any amount is not school spirit. There's also the fact that some majors demand a level of commitment that is on par with a full time job with overtime. For those students, the priorities in their free time are sleep, food, sex, booze, professional networking, in no particular order. For myself being an active soccer player, my own athletics were also a priority. Even today I would rather go play myself before I will sit down and watch a top level pro game. I think college sports indistry just drank too much of its own koolaid, and in its own brain thinks itself far more important than general society does.
A lot of students struggling with not finding work after college is more of a concern coming from a sports fan. College needs to show it's a good investment again
The university allowed everyone in to make more money. The problem is not everyone can be a doctor, lawyer, teacher, etc. There are only so many jobs is each industry and college has allowed more people in that those industries need.
That ultimately lead to more “competition” in the job market which funny enough drives wages down as every would rather have lower paying job than no job.
@@ldcow3948 I wonder did the school have any trade programs that was backed by local businesses. One of the schools I went to had trade programs that the local businesses was supporting and almost everyone in the program had a job upon graduation.
I am a Sac State alum and I hate this for everyone @ Sonoma State. I have to imagine that enrollment is going to fall off even harder.
There is a nationwide reckoning for attendance at smaller schools right now, the cutting of athletic programs is just a symptom
Cazenovia College, Wells College, St. Rose all gone over here in New York State. They weren't state schools though.
I just learned about Sonoma State, and now I'm outraged
As are many taxpayers who are subsidizing each athlete at $16,000 plus per year to pay for their hobby.
38% drop in enrollment says it all. This is happening , maybe lesser degree, across the country as college enrollment is falling. Smaller schools are affected first. ( private also)
Yeah and schools should’ve seen it coming. There are less kids today than there were 30 years ago. All these administrators not one checked a demographics chart. On top of more kids realizing that 40k in debt might not be their best option and choosing different options other than school.
University are in for a rough 10-20 years as at best the demographics will take 20+ years to affect college and that’s if another baby boom started now.
@@ldcow3948 College degrees can now be done completely online. The military with a new administration will gain more people. Higher education is going to go through a major overhaul which is probably needed. This country has way too many colleges and the smaller and the private colleges that don't have a huge donor base are going to fail. Community colleges also are a better option than a 4 year school.
A lot of the Big West schools cut their D1 football programs back in the 90's. Had a couple good programs with a few of the schools so they joined other conferences. But, I went to a couple games at Long Beach State when I was a freshman and there were less people attending than my high school games.
I just graduated from Sonoma. Lots of issues from administration standpoint. Lovely little school tucked away in Rohernt Park. Sad news for many departments.
Rohnert Park, CA (home of Sonoma State) Native here. Got to see Hall of Famer Larry Allen play at Football at SSU back in the 90s, then after the program folded, I ran at SSU's track as a local Rancho Cotate HS Track Athlete. This is all so Mind-Blowing. SSU was thriving, with new facilities being built like dorms, Library/Media Center, and of course, SPORS facilities. SSU Baseball, Soccer and Softball were all outstanding programs...but to eliminate all of the DEGREE PROGRAMS as well...wow...what's left?? What's still standing??
Seeing this unfold from a far is painful. And as an OAKLAND A's Fan...let's just say it's all been quite a shock.
Hear, hear. Very sad state of affairs all around!
I was never a student at Sonoma state but I was a student at srjc for about 6 years. That's short for Santa Rosa Junior College for those reasons who are not from Sonoma county, but anyways I have when working for doordash and for Uber Eats made a lot of deliveries from various fast foods and restaurants to a variety of different students at Sonoma State so it's going to be definitely a big surprise at the sports are gone and it does make me wonder if fewer people are going to order from Sonoma State.
Reading a couple of articles with headlines similar to this one indicate no one should be surprised at the stresses around campus :
Sonoma State University in crisis: $24 million budget blow follows ‘constant chaos’ of leadership scandals, disasters, enrollment decline
Im a SSU geology alum, a department as old as the school itself, and they are planning to do away with them as well. Please join the fight to keep the SSU Geology dept alive!!
If you have a $24 million deficit, sports should be the first thing you cut. The schools first priority should be academics.
They shouldn't cut the academic programs.
@@LoyaFrostwind If there is not enough students enrolled in given degree program, it doesn’t make since to continue that particular program.
@gregorybonds-j8m 😿
24 degree programs being cut are:
Art History (BA)
Art Studio (BFA)
Dance (BA)
Earth and Environmental Sciences (BA)
Economics (BA)
Education Leadership (MA)
English (MA)
French (BA)
Geology (BS)
German (Minor)
Global Studies (BA)
History (MA)
Interdisciplinary Studies (BA and MA)
Philosophy (BA)
Physical Science (BA)
Physics (BA and BS)
Public Administration (MPA)
Spanish (MA)
Theatre Arts (BA)
Women and Gender Studies (BA)
I am an alum of San Jacinto College in Pasadena, TX, a junior/community college in suburban Houston. Back in the 80's and 90's San Jac was a power house in men's basketball in the NJCAA. During the men's basketball team's 57 year history, there were 21 national tournament appearances, 8 trips to the NJCAA men's championship game, and four national championships. Where is that program today? Gone. In 2018 the team played its last game. At the same time, the college district (three campuses, with athletic programs primarily were at the north campus but men's basketball was at the central campus. To my knowledge there now are no athletic programs at the south or central campuses) also dropped men's soccer, as well as women's basketball and volleyball. None have come back. I am not holding my breath for their return.
My youngest son is an alum of Lon Morris college in Jacksonville, TX. Like San Jacinto, this school also had won NJCAA championships. The school closed due to financial issues in 2012. The school was known for its focus on the arts. At the time of its closing, the school was working toward bringing a football program back to the school. It ceased at the beginning of the second world war. For a college in financial trouble, deciding to start a new athletic program, particularly one with a high investment cost like football, might not have been the wisest decision.
Thanks for talking about this Brodie. I remember every summer going to the Sonoma State baseball camps, and going to basketball and soccer games. This is such a heartbreaking development, I hope that this is not a permanent thing.
I used to work in Rohnert Park until 2015 and SSU was right there. It’s crazy how much has changed in 10 years
Meanwhile, Sacramento State is exploring the possibility of moving to FBS that includes a proposed new stadium. If the cuts to the CSU system are that severe, where is Sacramento State going to find the money to make that happen?
My guess is they are choosing to reallocate money to Sac State for them to move up to FBS and for SJSU et al to move up to the Pac-12.
Sac State will get the money, but only by raising student fees even more and taking even more of that money for intercollegiate athletics. Until it all collapses financially.
Sac State doesn't have the full funding. The President and AD are full of shit.
This is why there should be a European local club / academy model for sports in the country.
I’m a SF State grad with a son at CSU Monterey Bay. College education options for the middle seems disappearing and with that sports programs. SF State cut football back in the 90’s.
As of August 1, 2024, the interim president of Sonoma State University (SSU), Dr. Emily F. Cutrer, earns an annual salary of $381,408. She also receives a monthly housing allowance of $5,000, and is eligible for other benefits. The University administrators are bankrupting our state, along with high dollar police and fire chiefs. Time for a pay cut.
You are 100% correct, I worked for SSU for about 15 years and I can tell you that Admin and management is grossly overpaid !!!! If every Admin and upper management employee was was given a 25% pay cut they'd still be overpaid. It's ridiculous what they pay these admin employees !! These people absolutely WAY OVERPAID and no one gets a pay cut ever !! and rarely is anyone ever laid off. CRAZY !!!
I competed in sports both at the high school and college level. It transforms your life. I can't imagine not having sports at the school(s) you attend. This is a very sad situation indeed!
I don't say this with any pleasure, but small colleges all over the country are under extreme pressure for several reasons. First, there has been an increasing difference between the percentage of young men and young women attending college, with more women going to college than men. For whatever reason, young men are not going to college as much now as twenty years ago. Perhaps this is attributable to the increasing cost of college and the debt incurred by college students. There is another demographic problem that will manifest itself next year that will devastate small schools all over the country: Eighteen years ago in 2008 the birthrate plummeted as a result of the banking crisis and the recession that occurred at that time .This is going to result in many fewer students graduating from high school this spring and applying to college for the fall.
Another reason for the CSU budget cuts are related to California states budget deficit. I believe the proposed budget plan lowered funding to public universities. Definitely smaller schools are being impacted by this but also low attendance.
UAB cut their football rifle and bowling teams, but brought them back after backlash. but they had more means to bring them back
I assume this is Alabama Birmingham, right? They only reason I remember it exists is because the share the Blazers name haha
And in their first game back after slashing the football team they drew 44,000 fans, which in an old 80,000 stadium in a city with tons of UAT and AU fans I think is really good, just a shame their football program is taking a nosedive again because of Dilfer
It's a shame! They had a pretty good Baseball Program back in the 90s and early 2000s!
SSU spends $3.7 million on its athletic department and has only 227 athletes. That is more than $16,000 per year per athlete to provide them with full time coaches, travel across the state and beyond, and athletic staff to organize and promote it. This is way too much taxpayer subsidy for one half of one percent of the student body. Thank you Mr. Brazil for being open to the notion that the entire system is unstainable, especially at the DII level where there is next to no meaningful sponsorship or attendance income.
College costs are completely out of control. I don't understand where all the money is going for tuition? My tuition was just under $500/semester for full time back in the early 90's. My youngest is $19,000/semester for a public college. I can say that his education isn't that much better than mine was. My oldest son costs were $7500 for all four years at a community college for a 4 year bachelors degree in cybersecurity just a year ago when he graduated. 👍🤠 How about paying college athletes now and the burden on the colleges for this? The highest paid Texas employee's are the head football coaches in the state colleges right now by a large margin.
Administrator salaries are huge
Many thanks by CA gov Gavin Newsom.
Sonoma State is literally in a tough spot. San Francisco State, Sacramento State, Cal State East Bay, UC Berkeley, UC Davis are all basically within a two hour drive. I know the population across California should be there to support that number of institutions, but Sonoma is in a large city or close-in suburb like the other schools.
Lol 24 degree programs are being canceled, and almost all these comments are focusing on the athletic program. 24 degrees, people … their financial problems go way beyond athletics.
No one cares that African Gender Studies is getting cancelled.
Hopefully they're the worthless degree programs that graduates will struggle to find jobs with.
@@psullivan9299it's ironic and sad that they're cancelling the Philosophy degree. How does one get a PhD: (Doctor of Philosophy) without philosophy?😢
@@psullivan9299 well that comment is very interesting cuz it applies to virtually every college athletic endeavor, too. Except both experiences allow the individual to grow, learn, and figure out the things that make a person successful in life.
As Josh Allen once said: "sucks."
Birmingham-Southern was another small school that ended its program due to budget cuts. They made an markable run in last year’s College World Series ⚾️
UCR almost did the same thing after the pandemic but was able to gather enough funds to keep sports but if a D1 UC struggles with this I can’t imagine how a D2 CSU is dealing with this
I know a little about this as I got my Bachelor's Degree from a state school in PA where my dad worked. (Bloomsburg University of PA, now Commonwealth University - Bloomsburg). It is a D2 school and often competitive in it's conference and made a lone, losing appearance in the D2 national title game. It is my impression (which may be wrong) that even the football program costs the school money. So, it's not like the D1 titans where the football team and/or basketball team can carry the entire athletic department.
Unfortunately, California has many more pressing problems that sports at its smaller schools.
I graduated from Ship and we currently only give out school sponsored scholarships for football. They rest of the sports relay on boosters for money.
Washington State University Vancouver started out as a two year a branch campus of the state's land-grant institution WSU in Pullman Washington. The current campus opened in 1996. In Fall 2006, WSU Vancouver admitted freshmen and sophomores for the first time and began offering lower-division courses.
Do not feel that there will ever be sports programs at this particular location.
The population of young people in this country, grades K-12, goes down each year for the foreseeable future. This means the population of potential students goes down accordingly. Smaller private schools are already completely shuttering due to this and other trends (cost, cost…).
There’s ways to take care of that which are not bolstered by the new administration’s borderline genocidal policies.
Mind you, living in a city with a popular MLS team and major junior hockey, I know about alternatives to college sports. We might want to look at this.
It's called 50-plus years of abortion and fiscal negligence in California.
And feminism demonizing motherhood
This is a canary in the coal mine moment for college sports. The money is no longer there except for those who somehow survive the NIL minefield. How long before a Division One school pulls the plug?
I'm a graduate of the University of Nevada-Reno. Went there at the same time as Colin Kaepernick played for the Wolf Pack.
Around that time, Nevada paid $5 million to move from the WAC to the Mountain West, and I loudly criticized the school and the state government for throwing five million bucks at the football program at a time during a recession when academics were suffering from a budget crunch.
As unpopular opinions go, the reaction I got went over like a red political hat at Seattle May Day.
I love sports, but I love college being primarily geared toward its academic mission, especially a state school that was established specifically to produce an educated population and qualified workforce (that's a debate for another forum on another day), a whole lot more.
Brodie,take a look as well at the leadership at the very top of SSU the past 4-5 years( controversies abound) and brining in an AD from D1, making D1 decisions at a D2 school that did the lead balloon thing. ( also online learning is 1/3- 1/4 the cost)
As a high level sports official this is also concerning. The west coast, specifically California has been plummeting as far as colleges and sports to. PAC 12 disbanding. Also, males are increasingly not going to college as these universities are commonly anti masculine
I know this sounds shocking, but many smaller schools are using athletic departments to boost enrollment. I can only speak to college wrestling when it comes to this, but that sport is gaining programs pretty steadily at the non-Division I level. (women's wrestling is growing like wildfire, to the point that it's been added as an NCAA Championships sport literally in the last couple of weeks, but even men's wrestling is growing below Division I) It's Division I where the offerings have flatlined or shrunk slightly (Cleveland State announced they were dropping wrestling, along with women's golf and softball, earlier this week, for example).
This is probably a start of an avalanche as the arms race of NIL will send budgets out of control.
thanks for sharing, crossover as a ssu student from san jose. a ton of academic programs got cut too, it was a sad day
I think most schools do not make a profit on their football programs. Only the big football schools make a profit due to tickets, media rights, and merchandising
I think you’re the only one that understands this. I forget the ESPN writer, but he wrote a book around 2009 and said 75% of programs lose money on football. Everyone just thinks revenue when it’s really net profit.
Thanks for highlighting this, Brodie. Hopefully this is nipped in the bud as it’s a sad day for Sonoma State
UCSF doesn't have sports. They did a funny commercial a long time ago asking if we'd rather chose a school that produces great athletes or one that produces great doctors.
I think college sports as we know it is going to go away within 20 years. College football and basketball will seperate themselves from the colleges and become minor leagues.
Jeff Garcia = SJSU.
Love sports but schools primary focus should be education (specially colleges). I’d rather cut sports to save money than increase tuition on students
If Larry Allen did not pass away last June, he would have been here to try to keep sports at his Alma Mater in Sonoma State University!!!
Former seawolf here. They closed my Master’s program and some other smaller ed programs
Sadly, the part about football really bringing the money for the rest is very accurate. Can they come back... sure.. I've seen it back in NY.. but unless the budget is increased.. money drives everything and these are education facilities not pro sports teams.. it's a well known fact though... football funds almost the entire sports programs for most colleges.. with only the basketball programs even coming close to break even/making money.. I know I went to a school that didn't have a football team (well, soccer.. ) but they were there but most didn't bother..
I in my day job I work in higher education. The US has a declining population, especially in college age kids. In other words, there are less kids graduating high school now then there were even 5-10 years ago. There are far more slots for incoming kids at colleges in the US, then there are kids to fill those seats. That is the bottom line, enrollment. Enrollment drives every other choice on a college campus, because that is where the funds come from. This will get worse, and will happen more frequently.
Important to know thanks for sharing.
That school needs to close.
Open the books & look at the budget. For such high tuition prices *show me where the money’s going* 🧐
Unfortunately, this will not be the last or in my opinion the most drastic steps taken. My son was at Holy Names University in Oakland when they announced the elimination of athletics then shortly after closed the entire university two years ago. The CSU campuses are all in a budget crunch due to how the funding is done year to year. Sonoma, SF State, Cal Maritime and East Bay are all experiencing 25%+ reductions in enrollments. East Bay cut positions and water polo from their athletics dept. last year as part of their budget reduction plan. Cal Maritime Academy merged with Cal Poly SLO due to lack of money to operate. Many of the CSU's are in serious budgetary trouble.
So, I was just reading an article from WFMZ Allentown, PA and they are saying that the Penn State University system has around a 40% enrollment drop in the last decade. People are afraid they will close various campuses around the Commonwealth, so it seems like this might be a nationwide problem.
Jimmy from Chicago….Hi Brodie…Great sad information…..Domino effect….This affects everything like you said…..😊😊😊
That a shame. I lived in Robert Park loved taking bike rides out there
the city of rohnert park also doesnt do anything to premote the sports programs and they dont want therir town to turn into a college town. its such a bummer that this is happening.
I wonder if they regret spending $120M on building a new music center back in 2010 that in no way benefited the student body.
As college enrollment drops and the changes to college sports alignments, there will be more of this. The sport needs to have a sense of financial viability otherwise they will be at heavy risk of getting cut.
St Francis College in Brooklyn, a former Division 1 school in the Northeast Conference pulled the plug on their entire sports program after the conclusion of last season 2023-24. As the price tag of college sports goes up, especially for the “have nots” there will be more of this.
I’m expecting a legal challenge to the minimum required number of teams (currently 14) to field to be eligible for D1. When that goes down, lots more Olympic sports will be on the chopping block and more of the small schools will just give up entirely.
Born in the USA, Raised in Lagos Nigeria / Africa, Been back in America since my teenage. Did highschool & college in the USA . 6 years as a banker for JP Morgan chase during the 2008 Market Crash! Worked as a career counselor for the economic development department of the state of California for 11 years! I say all that to say, Organized Sports are a luxury! Good Schools are a luxury, Good communities are a luxury, a good neighbor is a luxury….. America / Americans lost track of the bare necessities and built everything on credit and a fake economy! The chickens always come to roost ….. this is roosting season ! This is only the start! My recommendation, charity begins at home!
California is the economic powerhouse it is because of its long investment in education. Google can directly trace its lineage back to Stanford. HP before that, etc. The problem is the that the cost of tuition increased faster than the incomes people could realistically be, this is more apparent at smaller schools like SF State and Sonoma State than Berkeley or Stanford.
I mean, I love sports and all, but at some point we should probably consider that sports and education are not really the same thing.
Just a minor ripple in failing higher (and lower) education system. This is the outcome of misaligned priorities from educational administrators
Jaylon Wells who is currently on the grizzlies is also an alum
I'm honestly surprised just to hear any news from the North bay. Bay Area News seems to always talk about the East Bay and the South Bay and San Francisco itself but you just never hear about the North Bay at all. I'm from Santa Rosa which is the biggest city in wine country and the biggest city in the North Bay and the fifth most populated city of the San Francisco Bay area. Rohnert Park is just one town south from us and I go to Rohnert Park all the time and as somebody who has done a lot of doordash delivery work I've made a lot of deliveries to students who pretty much live on Sonoma State and even doing Uber Eats deliveries on the side while doing a full-time job I have now I've made a lot of deliveries to students at Sonoma State and it kind of makes me wonder if it's going to be completely true that fewer people are going to go to school at Sonoma State and therefore I'm going to have fewer deliveries to go there.
It's not exactly impactful thing because I can deliver to other locations and to be honest sometimes it's a chore to deliver to Sonoma State students because it can be complicated and really get to where I'm supposed to go even with some extra details although I've kind of begun to memorize where to go, but ultimately it's just strange that Sonoma state is going through this although come to think of it maybe it's not really that much of a surprise.
I mean who else has gone pro playing sports at Sonoma State besides the legendary Larry Allen? I get that's not the point, but I'm just saying. It doesn't seem like it be profitable to keep this going if they are hemorrhaging money. On top of that it seems pretty clear to me that Santa Rosa Junior College which is where I went for my higher education instead of Sonoma State, it seems srjc is actually continuously expanding over the years and even though Sonoma state is a State University as opposed to a junior college or Community College like srjc is, the honest truth is I'm seeing a lot of growth and new buildings at it and new things added here and there for srjc and additional campuses and so on while Sonoma State doesn't appear to be expanding at all so to me it really seems like the people who live in this area just would rather go to srjc than go to SSU.
And that shouldn't be a surprise. Santa Rosa Junior College has been seen as one of the better junior colleges in the country and it's considerably a lot more affordable to go there than to go to SSU. You can get the higher education you need at a much better price. You're not going to get a more advanced degree sure but what you can get could still lead to a potential career depending on the field you study.
On top of that I think it's pretty clear that just in general a lot more people are just learning that going to college especially these expensive universities is just not really worth it anymore. It's just so expensive and nobody can really afford it and those who get student loans sure they are able to take the classes but they graduate and most the time never get into the fields they studied and are in debt for the rest of their lives. The risk is just not worth it.
It appears to me that trade schools are the way to go. And I think a lot of people are seeing that. Not to mention a lot of online schools that can get you the credentials you need for high demand fields are way more affordable and there's even some that exists that actually pay you to study for them which motivates you to actually take the classes so that you actually make money before you graduate. I believe they make a profit once you actually get into your field of study by actually taking a portion out of your paychecks to pay back how much you made from studying under them.
A bigger question is will Sonoma State itself still be around in recognizable form in 10 - 20 years. Lots of small colleges are disappearing, due to falling enrollment.
I live in Rohnert Park where Sonoma state is located and I have to say I think theres a 50% chance that in ten years Sonoma State is out of business and closed down.
Just happened with Cleveland states softball and wrestling this week
We're going to be seeing a lot more of this.
A Brave New World. It’s all about priorities we hold as a society.
I graduated from an D2 school in PA and we currently only give school sponsored scholarships for football. The rest of the sports relay on the boosters to give monetary scholarships.
Did they try this model at all?
Are there *any* though?
@MrBlazemaster525 maybe, maybe not. My school has 8 men's sports and 10 women's sports that aren't football.
My local college completely shut down
"less programs, less sports".... it's fewer programs and fewer sports!
fewer teenagers as well, which means fewer staff as a whole.
Unfortunately with the whole NIL and paying players situation, it's only going to get worse. I envision other CSU schools doing the same thing because of declining revenues and enrollments.
Colleges are broken in general. My heart goes out to the athletes. Boosters need to step up if they want them.
I played for another school that was in the same conference 30 years ago, could have sworn they were the Cossacks. Wonder when they changed. Money is probably disappearing into administrator salaries. That's the real reason tuition has gone up so much over the years.
They were the Cossacks. I think they changed it because the Cossacks were anti-woman and anti-semitic.
Brodie, I believe if Sonoma state, Humboldt state, Chico state, Cal state Eastbay, sf state, stanislaus state, Azusa pacific , and UC merced started a D2 football program, enrollment would go up. Football brings school spirit. These schools have no football teams and feels like commuter schools, football is needed on campus.
Sonoma is just the beginning. You glossed over the underlying cause. Population decline. The US replacement rate dropped below 2.1 17 years ago. This is the first year that there are going to be fewer students applying to go to college, probably since WWII. I have friends who are teachers at the CC level in cal and enrollment is crashing all across the state. (Cal started early on population replacement decline). We have too many colleges for the incoming students. It will be decades before this hits the big prestigious schools but there is going to be a huge culling in both small state colleges and small liberal arts colleges. While sad for all the reasons you list, my college experience was life defining, losing sport will be just a minor blip in this crisis.
I went to a D3 school and can see this happening at schools all across the country.
This is the consequence of treating college athletics like they are professionals (even before NIL). Oh they need home uniforms, away uniforms, third uniforms, and 4th uniforms. Oh the school should pay for equipment costs. Oh the school should pay for scholarships for all involved. Oh the school should be paying for professional coaches for an amateur sport. Oh the school should pay for an indoor practice facility. Oh the school should pay for this that and the other that has absolutely no bearing on the general student body or even on the athletes themselves taking the field. Whatever happened to going out together as a team and hosting a carwash if the team needs new uniforms? Why is it every other student's responsibility to pay for athlete-students to be given privileges that nobody else gets? I applaud the college for taking this bold step to try and keep education affordable for ALL of its students, rather than just an already privileged handful of students.
I graduated from SJSU in 1998!!!
Is it really the responsibility of an "academic" institution to to uphold, maintain, foot the bill as it were to provide athletic sports programs for aspiring athletes who are simply using the institution as a stepping stone to potential professional sports careers? Maybe it's time more of the cost to sustain sports at the academic level be compensated by those who ultimately benefit the most from their success... the professional teams.
College sports is going the way of the dodo bird. Eliminations are starting at the smaller schools then it will spread to the bigger schools. The NFL and the NBA will finally develop a true minor league similar to baseball and hockey.
I haven't seen anyone mention this but Saint Francis of Brooklyn dropped their division 1 programs at the end of the 2022/ 2023 season.
I pray they don’t lose there sports program’s pulled this is what drives kids to take there skills to the next level an education purposes for all those athlete’s.
Sonoma state is a joke. Same with cal
Poly Humboldt. Where me and at least 20% of other students were forced to get a degree while homeless because they refuse to help build more housing.
How many tenured professors of nonsense studies get their pay or pension cancelled?
California is so irresponsible when it comes to spending during budget surpluses. Instead of creating reserves when times are good with tax revenue they increase spending to match it which results in the need for massive budget cuts when there is an inevitable decrease in tax revenue.
I expect that there will be more of these closings. There are less traditional age College kids starting now across the country. I wonder when Division 1 schools happen next.
i hope the students and athletes are able to do something about this!😭
Despressing! (and I went to a D-III school in the 90's - New Jersey City University)
The UdotS has only been number one in the heads of a few.
Cleveland State here in Ohio is getting rid of wrestling women's golf and softball
Hollywood is losing its place in American culture. NFL, NBA and college athletics ratings are slipping too according to some channels on YT.
Maybe in a bigger picture a cultural shift is underway?
Almost like importing millions of immigrants has consequences.
The only shocking thing is it has taken this long for this house of cards to collapse. It’s sad for the kids that don’t get to play but it’s great news for the kids that have to pay