2013 Audi S3 vs 2018 RS3 - Worth Upgrading?
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- Опубликовано: 26 авг 2024
- This week I am driving around in the stunning £53,000 400bhp Audi RS3. It's the top of the three for Audi's 3 range. But, if you've not got the budget for one of these, what about the slightly lesser S3. In the real world, is it much slower? What do you get for your money?
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I had a 2017 S3, 2015 B.85 S4, and now the RS3. RS3 is every bit as good as S3 as a daily driver, but RS3 steering, handling, engine is leagues better. RS3 is just special. It feels like a super car. The experience is totally different. You won’t imagine how big the difference is until you own both
I like the rs3 lot. But then you never try an M car.
@1975turbo great but know they have issues with heat soak/overheating with those, good idea to save money for an upgraded intercooler
@1975turbo no problem man good luck
Thank you for this comment!
now i have 2018 audi rs3 sedan, previously i had 2016 audi tts and the differences are big
its true
Best viewed at 1.5x speed
1.75x here 😅
Trust me lol I was falling asleep
lmao thats what i was thinking
wait...is that possible?
omfg, i didnt even know that was possible. Your comment has changed my life.
I owe you beer.
5 cylinder one of the greatest engines Audi has ever made..nuff said
Had an S3 sedan and upgraded to RS3 sedan. No comparison. Worth every penny. S3 still a great car but RS is another level.
Did the same, then I changed to the Facelift as well. Another upgrade worth every penny :)
I've got the S3! i was tempted to upgrade to the MY18 RS3 sport back.
Managed to drove a sedan and it didn't really jump out at me, which was a shame. maybe i should test a "hatch".
Same as me Sash. I love the RS3 a lot more than the S3, although I do think the S3 is slightly better for city driving with less turbo lagg but the RS3 makes up for that with its engine and sound. The noise just bounces off walls and buildings, I've had the PCW exhaust mod done and its great.
Nope, it does use more fuel than the S3 for sure but I've found its not that much more. Maybe 10% more? The problem is you feel like driving faster to hear the engine.
It depends what kind of driving you're doing. They're quite similar on the motorway/highway, with the S3 you can easily get over 40mpg (talking UK mpg, I know its calculated differently in some countries) and on the RS3 you can get to 40mpg but you really need to drive economically for that, mostly its in the mid-high 30s. It also does better on fuel with more miles and better tyres, mine came with P Zero tyres but they're shit and even something like Michelin Pilot Sport 4s get better fuel economy. In town/cities you'd be getting mid-high 20s on the S3, sometimes low 30s depending on traffic and how many red lights you get. Same route in the RS3 gets you low-mid 20s and sometimes high 20s. On the same route to work, I'd say on average it was 3-4 MPG worse, so for me it meant I just had to fill up a day sooner than on the S3 lol.
I'm actually picking up an RS3 in 2 weeks and part exing my S3 so this video gave me some good insight!
An excellent and proper real world review. Thanking You! I can totally relate and agree with this video as a current MY16 S3 Sedan owner and soon to be MY18 RS3 Sedan owner.
Hey mate how's the RS3 after first year be great to see what you think of it.
Really good video, thanks. I have had S3 8V and pre-faceift RS3 8V. I found the mag ride on RS3 in comfort softer than standard S3 suspension. Worth noting brakes and tyres cost MUCH more on RS3 and don't last too long. Just a point of correction at 18:37 - RS3 does not have a Soundaktor - its all real noise, mostly from the exhaust rather than the engine. My best suggestion now would be a 2-3 year old pfl RS3 - £30-35K typically.
You sure the RS does not have a Soundaktor? You can turn the noise up or down and it doesn't seem to be coming from the exhaust much
Absolutely sure. This is for the sport exhaust (which I should have mentioned, sorry). When you set the exhaust noise: comfort - exhaust valves closed; auto - closed in g/box D or open in g/box S or M; dynamic - open. Its the valves that make the sound different. There are also some variation as a function of RPM ( I think to pass the old type approval drive by noise limits). Latest RS3 is in general quieter as well (oh dear!). Your example may have standard exhaust.
Yes it had the sports exhaust. That's interesting and surprising to know as the thing is ridiculously quiet with the windows down. It's the same as the S3 which made me think it had one
@@JayEmmOnCars late reply on an old video but yes I owned a Prefl RS3 8V with the dynamic pack (sports exhaust and magride) and the above is correct, the option controls the valves in the exhaust, which open on dynamic mode. I agree with you the exhaust is quiet in the cabin, which is a shame as the buffeting wind noise you get on motorways or fast roads with the sunroof partially open or windows cracked is unforgivable in a £50k+ premium car.
One real annoyance for me was that every time you start it in the morning it closes the exhaust valves by default and you have to cycle the modes to change to make them open again. I actually wish manufacturers would remember your favourite setting rather than resetting to noddy mode every time!
3 other things that would be worthy of note for prospective buyers compared to my old C63 were:
1. The traction control is way too intrusive, I just set mine to sport every time I started the car to stop it cutting power in even just very mildly damp conditions where the car was fully capable of putting down its power. Actually quite dangerous in some scenarios.
2. The Pirelli P Zeros the car runs perform poorly when pressing on - I had the back end stepping out and the front end washing out in dry conditions - and the Audis run extremely aggressive front camber so the inner shoulders wear early. Switched to PS4S and it transformed the handling of the car to an extent where it actually frightened me how quickly it would take corners!
3. The brakes - the standard pads are woeful and if you map the car just aren’t up to the job. The combo of the one directional discs plus poor pad compounds on the Prefl meant they squeaked horrifically to the point of embarrassment in stop start commuting. This was fixed by a set of 2 piece Reyland discs and uprated aftermarket pads - at which point the awful screaming noise disappeared - despite an Audi dealer telling me the noise was coming from the rear brakes 🙄
@@mred9161 it is a legal thing that they always start in quiet mode. Not the manufacturers choice
For the price. I'd take the s3 and go stage 2. You're just as fast then and got money for dayz.
The sound though. RS3 for me.
@kamionkami1 You won't even have to stage 2 the RS3 and it will smoke the tuned s3 with a simple remap.
@@bsm3964 still paid $20k+ more for it though...
Thanks for doing this video Jay. I looked at the RS3 earlier in the year and ended up going with a TTRS although I am here in the USA. The engine really is the star of the show although I also greatly enjoy the cockpit/interior of the TT and the extra bit of exclusivity (only 550 made of the 2018 TTRS for the USA). The price for entry is high but the car and its 5 cylinder soundtrack put a smile on my face everyday!
Is there a difference ? Well an entire cylinder...
I was going to get an S3 manual but on the forums everyone knows the clutch will start to slip very fast, I think it was after 10-15k miles. So ended up going S tronic S3 then to the RS3 Saloon which I love. The issues people talked about with the S-tronic around town was the old 6 speed one the PFL RS3 had.
Great video @jayemm watched you for while can’t believe I don’t seen this vid 🤣🤣. That rs3 sound is awesome
Just bought an s3 black edition,mythos black, large alloys and tech pack all on 38k ish and I love it, the interior is beautiful and the Nappa leather is unrivalled I want an rs5 next or the rs3 after experiencing the s3, the quality and speed and not forgetting that quattro system I can't wait to upgrade but beleive me the s3 us no disappointment
Saw how fast an RS3 is the other day, on M602 slip road. Same light blue as this as well. Looked amazing & went like a spaceship!
Really enjoyed this comparison this is exactly how people think in the real world. Yes RS3 v AMG and M2, but people cross shop against older cheaper similar cars and spend the difference on holidays, Astons or cigars!
Loved it and the long format. Don’t do short videos there’s enough of those out there.
Long form nuance is a beautiful thing!
Jay, I own both the RS3 and an Evora S. As you know the Lotus handles unimaginably well. Well when I started driving the RS3 it took me awhile to figure it out. Oddly enough it likes a driving style that is totally contrary to normal. People that think all Audis understeer don’t know how to drive them how they need to be driven. You cant drive an RS3 like a 911. Its actually the opposite of a 911, motor way out front instead of way out back. So if you go into a corner with the RS3 and think that by lifting off the throttle it will tuck in you’re wrong. The RS3 needs a little throttle to keep the weight off of the front and it will steer neutral. Slightly before apex you can lift off and it will tuck in or you can give it the beans and it will power oversteer. Go back and try it...its a hoot. Oh..and make sure and hit ESC button once to put it into sport.
I think is this video I mention that it's just like the opposite of a 911 - you drive it off the front not the rear
How could you not like V10s or 5s? Lexus LFA, Carrera GT, Audi Ur-Quattro are all orgasmic and love revs.
Mostly because I found the exhaust on the original R8 very quiet, bit underwhelming
Driving a 2016 S3 Saloon now, love it!
Well done Jay. Your best video thus far in my estimation. That is, your personal development as presenter and story-teller absolutely shine through. I do feel that you're knitting a tighter story together as you progress, that you're choosing scenarios that are often tangential to the mainstream yet still related to it, and during those critical moments when we've wandered from where we had perhaps expected to be, the presentation's credibility prevents us from being distracted and we feel ready to take plunge into someone else's ideas, and get hooked by the developing talents, and intellectual and experiential databases of the presenter. Dont be shy of returning to cars as time passes. I think perhaps politics may have convinced many of us that changing one's mind in public is some sort of sign of weakness when in fact the opposite is by far more helpful and a truer picture of humans as works in constant progress. In fact I would urge yourself and all youtubers to consider waging war against the "flip-floppers are weak" sentiment, and to present 'criticism' itself as a craft of its own shaped by old and new thesis', bodies of work by past masters and some basic, established principles.
Thanks Christopher. Always happy to change my mind!
The Ben Kenobi quote just got you a new sub haha
Why. Do. You. Speak. So. Slowly.
infamousnachi I had to watch this on 2x speed it was so slow
i. was. thinking. the. eexaact......same
TheVaxruo
me 2
So that everyone in the world can understand it!
I think he must have a speech impediment.
Great video and lovely spec on that RS3 :) - Having owned both I can confirm they're worlds apart in how they drive and perform.
Please compare a 2018 s3 with the 2018 rs3
Looks are marginally different? Are we looking at the same cars here? Full front end is different, not to mention the massive arches on the RS
Great vid Jay. I have the facelift S3 s tronic 3 door and my only complaint is the high seat but I am 6-4. I’m lucky that I could afford the RS3 but as somebody who in the last 4 years has changed cars 8 times I just can’t find a good enough reason for selling it after 9 months which for me is a record!
I’m obviously near you as I recognise the roads around Earls Colne etc so I’ll keep a look out for that gorgeous Evora👍🏻
18:30 Jay, RS model do NOT have sound generators. either that car was tuned by a 3rd party, or you've been imagining things. In other words: yes, it really sounds that good. no trickery needed.
@@amritabhaktas you are correct, the latest RS3 model (shamefully) has one. In fact, it would appear they introduced it with the 2019 OPF model. Part number 8V0907159B.
how times change. Pre-OPF (which the car in the video should be), the RS3 sound was indeed all natural. These days, they all have the sound module :(
Aston and an S3 is a compelling proposition!!
I enjoy every ride with RS3 Sedan now I almost haven’t for 9 moths and my daily driving I have hatchback2018 BMW M140 Xdrive I love both of them . This RS3 a beast and hot in Sedan . Audi RS power 💪🏽
Gladiator Al Mousa The RS3 sedan: doesn't look as good as the sportback and less practical to boot (see what I did there?), double lose.
As someone that lives/thinks real world the RS3 is my dream car.. and not necessarily a new one.
After deciding to sell my 2004 A3 3.2 V6 with 63,000 miles on the clock and a car that I still loved to get into every time, even after 12 years but I knew I would need to spend at least 20k to equal what it had under the bonnet. So, I was so close to getting a 2012 RS3, until the garage sold it from under me, a good omen I now think when I look at the 24k price tag, fuel economy, road tax, insurance.
At that point I came across a 2014 S3 that stood out from at least 50 other S3s.. as a guy that loves fast Audis but hates the reputation that hangs over S3's and their drivers it would take a certain look to catch my eye. This was the one.. Estoril Blue, panoramic sun roof, Super Sport seats, mint condition inside, never thrashed. And at 18k I was so glad to have downsized my thoughts.. just like the 3.2 this is a weekend car for me when I look forward to taking it out onto the open road (Scottish Highlands)
So yes, just like in the review I'd agree I miss the sound that the RS3 gives and I reminisce about the noise my V6 made, I also miss the power in lower gears in that car where it was always there when I needed it but, the S3.. my S3 has everything else that I want in a car.. in the real world. Very happy with my choice, even though a passing RS3 always turns my head!
Are you sure you're not my dad? Lol, he has a 54 plate A3 3.2 V6 with about 70k miles and is looking at an RS3 because it's his dream car... I think I helped him a little as I've recently brought a 2016 S3 saloon (sounds like yours with the seats, sunroof and almost every option available) and it may have pushed him over the edge to finally getting one 😅
You don't need to disable the hill break and auto start/stop to use launch control.
Great video it would be the RS3 for me just for the sound
Manual M140i all day, if it has to be a hatchbox.
But I’d probably get the 240i cab if I could afford it.
Great review mate just as good as Clarkson when he was a proper motoring journalist The fact that we are comparing the S3 with the RS3 means the Audi S3 is a good car a compliment. To the Audi S3 is it worth the money if you have it then yeah as long as it’s not Det and cash when buying but if you don’t have the money then keep the Audi S3 and take your family on holiday or do your house up or send your kid to a better school lol 😂 it’s down to how much you earn in the real world.
quick comment on the "100% of power to the rear wheels" claim. Audi is actually playing a bit of a mind-game here. With this haldex setup, power is always connected to the front wheels, and up to the haldex clutch sitting in back. Now if needed the haldex clutch can close, thus giving the rear wheels the same torque as the front wheels. Easy to see the system can therefore distribute between 0 and 50% of the power to the back. However, in a theoretical scenario where the front wheels are up in the air, or on ice, while the rear wheels have 100% grip, indeed 100% of effective torque would be applied through the rear wheels. But that's not the same as "sending all power to the rear wheels".
I have the S3 black optics package and is just dynamite. But the RS3 is special on its own I have to say...
The S3 had me at gearbox. I know the RS3 is quicker, but quicker doesn't mean a lot to me since I wouldn't notice the slower fractions of seconds. Stirring my own gears on the other hand ... I enjoy every time I jump in a car. Maybe I'd do a light tune for the S3 to squeeze out a few more horses.
Great review!
I've had an S3 and currently own a 2019 RS3. I would never buy another S3 however would buy an RS3. For 2022 the RS3 is not available here in Canada therefore I'll be hanging on to my RS3 for a few more year. It is a fantastic car.
Why not an s3?
You're speaking like I came straight out of a coma
Excellent review as always and agree with the steering wheel - had 3 8V A3/S3s and the steering weight and feel is far nicer than it's competitors (A Class, CLA, 1 Series)
You summarised with, ... "a different video". I enjoyed it. Tempted by an S3 myself. Unfortunately, we didn't get the hatch version here; only the sedan and the sportback.
Rs3 difference can be felt & once tuned it’s a monster. If you’re looking for a real world bargain get the Golf R it’s basically the S3 for $7000 pounds less.
I have a 2017 Audi s3 and and i put a stage 2 on it . man this sucker is no joke i love this car very fast . i be smoking suburu s all day and mustangs and all those other rice burners ..
Nothing on my A3 1.6 TDI
Pre facelift S3 has 6speed DSG, facelift S3 has 7speed. I’ve had both, earlier doesn’t suffer with kickdown. You can get 3/5 in both
3/5 door in both S3’s, RS only available in 5door old models. Saloon now available.
Huge difference between the facelift S3 so there must be a massive difference between these!
RS is only bad around town if u have it in sport mode in traffic, it jolts the car a little bit cause its tricking itself to wanna stay at that rev point and when u put on the brake its like jk and downshifts harshly to maintain those revs... Which is that split second jolt u get in sport mode
Those seats arent for weight reduction, its so audi doesnt go overboard on the price...automatic memory seats cost about $2k EACH fully assembled, so thats $4k to the build price that theyd charge u $6-7k more for on MSRP, whichd turn people off of it...its also why they put on all season tires instead of performance ones (but its at least an option)
And the true quattro system would need a longitudenal engine setup, meaning 6+ cylinders, so the drive shaft to the back wheels can connect more directly to the transmission vs some kinda transfer box...at most id say about 70-80% on the backwheels for the RS
Great video bro
Great video and that outro...amazing.
Hehe, glad someone appreciates it
Great clear informative video
Great review but huge cringe talking about a lighter car when the driver is on the well overweight range 🤦♂️
Ah, but the car will still be lighter no matter which one I'm sitting in won't it?
Dual clutch is incredible. That alone is worth it. Manual is fine fun but man oh man that things quick.
Bill Shank I hate it, it feels so disconnected
great video, well done!
Stratton’s 😂👍
Great video Jay 👌
The RS3 doesn't make sense when justifying the cost differential vs performance over the S3.
BUT!
The RS3 has that offbeat 5 cylinder that is literal fire breathing music...and is the most exotic sounding hatchback in the world, it literally sounds like a baby V10 at full revs.
Ultimately it doesnt make sense to compare the RS3 to the S3 depsite it being almost identical aesthetically. You need to compare it to the A45 or M2, which is what its priced/benched against, and it that price landscape....its a performance bargain.
From a 8V S3 owner.
iv just had the new rs3 saloon in that blue and black pack and back in with audi dealer at minute and gave me the new face lift s3 sport back as run about till my rs3 saloon is ready to pick back up""" And yes the steering is much heavier than my rs3 saloon whot I don't like the heavier steering in the s3 But the big thing is defo the fun factor or lack of in the S3 The rs3 is a blast with that sound and does feel lot faster with less turbo lag even though there is a little in the rs3
Every car review needs an Obi-Wan reference.
5 cylinder engines (sound) just always remind me of Volvos.
The S3 is now only available with s_tronic so you would need the old shape like what you've tested for a manual.
A hot hatch ceases to be relevant to me when they step over the 30 - 35k mark. For me, a bloke in his early 40's who grew up with Mk 1/2 Golf GTi's and 205 GTi's, and a bit later the Evo's and the STi's, the great thing about these cars was not just their performance and fun factor, but also their relative affordability. Can I afford an RS3? Yes. Can I justify the purchase of one? No, and for many, many reasons. Not least the fact that it is a small car and so represents little in terms of value for money on that respect., but also I already have my 'fun' car that in terms of real world performance sits somewhere between the current S3 and RS3 but with more interesting looks, heritage and banter potential. If I need more performance and fun I'll upgrade the bike.
machidaman Is it the 80's still? Having a hatchback is worth less than a trunk? Come back to the present.
@@froesesp Did my post upset you? Bless.
The RS3 hits the perfect overlap between luxury, sport, comfort, exotic car, practicality, handling, name recognition, style, cost, and compactness that many wealthy urban Europeans lust after on narrow streets and if they can only buy one car due to space etc.
machidaman Just stating facts.
I agree with you, I could never justify that kind of money for that car, James has done reviews on my cars, I have the S8 and although used cost 20k less than this just over 2 years old, its 100 times what this car can ever be, (new its mental money heading towards 100K) the RS3 appeals to its market well and that's it, 53k is a joke in my opinion, and it lacks features an RS3 or any car at 53k should have, id feel short changed.
I'd get the S3 and after a year upgrade to an RS3. To me they're still very different cars hence me wanting to own both rather than one of them
The 2013 still looks fresh.
You said you sat higher in the s3, are you sure you didn’t have the seat pumped up as I thought the shared the same seat basis ?
It is possible but I checked the controls
JayEmm on Cars I believe the manual seats sit lower, no motors under there to worry about.
I think those English cars you compared these to at the end would break down all the time while the Audi would be reliable, practical and attract less unwanted attention. Add a tune and rear sway bar upgrades to the S3 and it'd also be much faster than them too.
For me its all about the soundtrack. Therefore I would pay a premium to get the 5pot
Lol it’s not “slightly” better, it’s MUCH better, that’s not even the brand new s3 it’s the pre facelift
He said that in the video...
RS3 wins hands down. Wish he would have used a newer facelist S3 for this video.
Looks like Stratton Motor Company to me...😎
Yep
Well done!!
Interesting to watch, i cant beleive 3 door has gone from the a3 line up, imo hot hatches look best with 3 doors. Would be interesting to see how theyve tried to make it understeer a little less. Not sure why they cant use a torsen diff. hmm. I guess the avg audi owner isnt after the drive from the rear - i still think the haldex stintst the quattro a3 bodies with out the drive from the rear. But thats just my opinion. I had a TTS and it dissapointed the hell out of me. Good video.. Id go S3 and vantage :).
Fair review enjoyed
Thanks!
Abt s3. Like the sleeper look better. Same 400bhp as the rs3. Obviously not the same sound but I thinks it’s fine for driving up to the office etc.
At last a sensible shirt.
Please bring the 2023 RS3 to Canada, PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Maybe it is because I have a Golf R, but I prefer the interior and discovery system to that in the Audi. Of course the RS3 has a grown up engine and a grown up price to go with it.
good review man lol i hope im gona buy a rs3
My 2l diesel GTC only returns 34-36mpg. Over the 35k I've had it!
Can’t watch this. I just won a stage 1
Remapped 2011 S3 with 305bhp on dreamcargiveaway. Don’t want to watch this and hear anything negative. I love the S3. Best car I’ve owned.
Whichever someone prefers, the interior in the Audi's is far better than VW's.
I reckon I heard you testing these guys the other day...
The RS3 does *not* have a soundaktor like the S3. the sound you are hearing is all drivetrain
So I have been told, all the more disappointing it does not sound better with the windows down
Did the shirt get bleached to make the neon closing trailer?
My 2017 facelift S3 is a 3 door... did I miss understand what he was saying regarding the whole 3dr / 5dr evolvement??
On the website they were not showing a new 3 door hatch anymore
Excellent!!!
Thanks!
Really wish the US had the manual option 😭
Love the look of a lotus evora 400 but if cash is little bit of a problem you gotta love the rs3 2018, just a tune and 470hp wow, bommer that engine is not in the lotus evora, lots of power, aluminium engine, that engine would put the evora rigth in the supercar leage!
The rs3 has more flys on the front. I would take the s3 any day for this reason alone
Way too fast off the brake with launch control - you're supposed to leave it at the 4k limiter for a few seconds to let the boost build before releasing the clutch.
Just sold my 7.5 Golf R and in the market for an RS3 Sportback, Trying to justify the RS over the S 🤔
The pre facelift S3 has only a 6 Speed DCT
The Rs3 a 7 Speed DCT
A real world test in the real world.
Well it’s all to do with power to weight ratio.The S3 is nearly the same 0-60mph as the RS3.They are both great cars and can’t really compare them.BHP means nothing.For example my 2009 TTs DSG has a stage one REVO 332bhp map and a RamAir induction kit,it has the same 0-60mph time as both these cars.The secret is power to weigh ratio.Mine is 1.350KG. It can do 0-60mph in 4.1secs 🤔 End of the day it’s personal choice.One mans rubbish is another Man’s treasures..The reason why things aren’t standard on cars is because the car company’s only think about profit.Greed!
Need for Speed Passion I had a 2017 s3 and 2018 RS3. RS3 is a leagues better. Steering, handling and motors. No comparison
Sapient Budgie I was talking 0-60 about the S3 Never mentioned steering buddy.
0-60 an RS3 will murder an S3. I've launched both about 100x. 3.7 seconds to about 4.7.
@@blackflagpirate3444 S3 is quite a bit slower to 60mph, there isn't a comparison in 0-60
Robbie Marshall 252bhp per tonne the RS3 The 2013 S3 is 209BHP per tonne.The difference in 0-60 is 0.7 secs.Considering the RS is five years young is not that impressive.My TTs DSG on the REVO stage one is pushing 246bhp per tonne.Mine is 2009 plate..
obviously the rs3 is going to out perform but if your just in it for the looks remember you can just put facelift features on an older one
How tf do you not like a v10 engine note
Yes
I really like the RS3 but I'd blow my 50+grand on a 997 Turbo 🤗
Ryan Mccormick i hope your kids can fit in the frunk 🤗
Ahmad Al-Ajeel ha! That's a point Ahmad!
Please send me the link to a 50k 997 turbo?
Nick Sinclair AutoTrader there are loads for that money and even sub 50k.
£50k for a 997 turbo!!! With £50k you'd be lucky to buy a car like mine. There is no such thing as a £50k 997 turbo !
Manual S3 no longer available as a new car. No point comparing the pfl S3 to a facelift rs3?
We don't get the luxury of choosing what we have access to
Why did they discontinue the manual S3?
Emissions
This video would've been 10 minutes long if he didn't speak like a sloth
Franksta16 sounds like Smith in the matrix
LOL!!!!
it's called gravitas ;)
At least get two cars with the same gearbox...you can't fully compare the two otherwise. As the RS3 doesn't have a manual option, you should have got an S-tronic S3 Great video otherwise though.
I don't have the luxury of picking the cars I have access to, in any case I think the manual is a positive thing for the S3
I'm not saying it isn't a positive thing, but it's not an apples-to-apples comparison and it would have more helpful if both were S-tronics
I don't think so as the gearbox is only one element of the car. 90% of everything else I said applies still
doesn't it sound like a v10
So I haven’t watched this yet but the question you’re asking is how does 400 bhp compared to 300 bhp.
Not sure the point of this....
The point is, is it worth spending the extra money or is it not
JayEmm on They're so far apart on price there really is no comparison. Apart from them both being Audi and based on an A3. A half spec RS3 is 50k..
You do get what you pay for.
I didn't watch the video but I'm guessing that's the obvious answer.
If you watch maybe you'd be surprised
JayEmm on Cars ok you got me. I'll have a watch in a bit.