Are PWI's Stealing Black Culture? | Cocktails with Queens
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- Опубликовано: 22 авг 2024
- The Queens are talking about Black girl majorettes in PWI’s. Are PWI’s stealing HBCU culture?
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I agree with Syleena 1000% my blackness shines WHERE EVER I GO.
Problem with that is that they don't let you be Truly black in their spaces. And if they do, there's an alterior motive. Soon and very soon you will see majorettes done predominantly by those yt girls and black girls will be locked out....ask Beyonce about that when she went to the country music awards....ask them who is the King of Rock and Roll
@@PanAfricanist 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Indeed.
So does my whiteness
@@Ali920a FOH colonizer...go on one of your white supremecist sites to celebrate your whiteness...why don't you mfers leave us alone
I'm with Sylenna on this. I'm Black everywhere...I don't have to "turn it up," or "tone it down," for anyone.
Interesting! I went to a high school that was majority white. Myself and two of my friends started a step squad. It was huge. They hadn't ever seen it before. Other high schools (city and suburban) started creating their own squads. Soon we were having competitions. It brought heightened awareness, recognition and funds, not only to the school, but the teams and local agencies, via fundraisers. It brought SO many people together, that likely wouldn't have met or interacted otherwise. We were getting contacted by schools in towns I didn't know existed in my state, in the beginning. 😄 I'm glad this was before social media and we didn't receive any of this backlash. One of the best things I've ever been a part of.
Thanks for posting these amazing memories☺️
Stop lying
@@EricLamar87 lmao.... how u know she's lying??
Problem with that is that they don't let you be Truly black in their spaces. And if they do, there's an alterior motive. Soon and very soon you will see majorettes done predominantly by those yt girls and black girls will be locked out....ask Beyonce about that when she went to the country music awards....ask them who is the King of Rock and Roll
Thank you sharing @Danielle V!
When there is not space for us, it’s ok to make our own space! I started a black student union at my PWI and it still exists to this day!! Saw a need and fixed it! Left my black girl magic all over campus!!
THANK YOU!
black girl magic? Goddamn you're a weak and insecure group. LMAO! You're not a queen, either. Maybe one day you'll stop embarrassing yourself.
Yes! That’s what I’m talking about…shine bright in ‘their’ places and spaces, kick the door off the hinges! 🔥🙌🏾🙌🏾
Where one goes to college is not a measure of blackness. Also, USC is actually very diverse in terms of race and ethnicity. There are more asian, latino and black students combined than the number of white students. There are also a significant number of international students across all races.
I'm with Syleena, these young women can be black and embrace their culture ANYWHERE that they choose to. Not everyone can go to a HBCU, and USC is one of the most competitive colleges in the world. The ladies are clearly brilliant, and I applaud them for that and the celebration of their culture through dance.
Thank you! I’m black everywhere I go. HBCU are not cheap especially if you live out of state. It’s such a division that’s happening now. We allow everything to divide us.
in 5 yrs this dance team at usc will be all white. My people never learn to stop showing & giving everything to other races. Will we ever just have our own stuff.
😂USC is faaaaar from diverse
@@phantomgrrl20 have you ever been to the campus?
I'M WITH VIVICA!!!!!!!!
...PWIs lowkey trying to prevent athletes from going to HBCUs. So this is the last thing we need.
They are not stopping anyone from going to an HBCU. HBCU’s have to do a better job of recruiting. I’m a school counselor and they don’t leave to get our kids. And HBCU are not cheaper. That’s wrong information that she said
@@ak24553 you are slow ain’t it baby. The head coach of Alabama football just accused Deion Sanders of paying players to go to Jackson State.
@@alejandroabreha4516 are you slow? I’m a Doctor! Don’t disrespect me like that! And I don’t care what he was accused of. That’s not what I was talking about. Don’t ever refer to me as baby again! And like I said HBCU’s needs to do a better job of recruiting and not just for football.
Syleena stay spitting facts 💯
All I have to say is not ALL black people get into HBCU’s! My cousin applied to HBCU’s and was rejected at each as a straight A student and ended up at a PWI!
Yes!! Say it again!!
And Vivica is assuming that this girl is paying out of pocket, she could have scholarships
I applied to an HBCU and a PWI. The HBCU never reached out after I sent my application and information. The PWI reached out 24 hours and I'm graduating in May.
@@AishaRaison *Yes Ma'am*
Syleena is ALL THE WAY RIGHT. By Vivica’s logic singers should just perform at the APOLLO. Actors should only act in BLACK movies and Dancers should only perform on BET.
Problem with that is that they don't let you be Truly black in their spaces. And if they do, there's an alterior motive. Soon and very soon you will see majorettes done predominantly by those yt girls and black girls will be locked out....ask Beyonce about that when she went to the country music awards....ask them who is the King of Rock and Roll
@@PanAfricanist they can’t take your power unless you give it to them. Beyoncé was just a guest in country music.. but thanks to that we now have Mickey Guyton. AND Beyoncé has conquered the world, on her own terms. White girls are already twerking and jerking but I don’t remember Black people making too much of a fuss when Miley Cyrus started doing it. White people have always appropriated Black culture and as long as they are alive they always will. But they should never be allowed again to tell us in which spaces to be Black. So, let’s wear our dreds and natural hair at work, in beauty pageants, in fashion shows, on TV and in movies. Let’s be authentically Black in ALL spaces that we exist. Let’s declare ourselves completely free.
@@PanAfricanist EXACTLY!!!! We seen this story played out too many times, Black people being "open and welcoming" got us nowhere and got our creations stolen.
They forgot that PWI give more $$$$. I was the only black girl living in my dorm. Learned real fast that the world is not or ran by black people (91% black high school)🤷🏽♀️🤷🏽♀️🤷🏽♀️
No matter where you go be you ‼️‼️
I'm glad I decided to go to a HBCU. One of the best decisions I've made.
I can say the same about my pwi glad to see black folks getting an education anywhere
My family was at the USC football game when these ladies debuted. It was so exciting and refreshing to see. I agree with Syleena we bring our culture with us. If you live in LA go check them out.
I’m sorry Vivica and Syleena going back and forth in friendly banter is too funny 😅
“Stop doin that, this is division” ~Syleena
“Be who we are, wherever we are” yaasss Syleena👏🏽 We would be remiss not to acknowledge that colorism is very prevalent in a lot black spaces such as HBCUs and black sororities & fraternities. And “black culture” is often only uplifted by black people when that POC is light or preferably multi-ethnic. These Majorettes look sexy & happy and are creating their own space, instead of trying to assimilate….I’m here for it💃🏾
This is giving me division and delusion and no preparation (except Selena). I think they needed a little prep before this segment…like Claudia knowing how to pronounce the topic. Sigh. In this conversation, a lot and nothing was said at the same time🥴
Yes, I was surprised at Claudia, majorette has alway’s been pronounced one way , at the white & Black institutions .
Right, the whole word “major” is in the word I would have at least went with that even if guessing 😂
@@tajmahal4056 You know how sometimes, our eyes play tricks on us? Think Claudia looked at the word and saw something similar to Marjorie, even though there is no r before the j. 😁
@@greenbyrdd8308 Touché, she does say she can’t see sometimes lol 😂
@@greenbyrdd8308 i like claudia so I’ll rock with that excuse 🤣🤣
Theres no HBcUs in the state of California for a lot of black people it isn’t a choice.
i'm with vivica. i mean we barely have HBCUs to ourselves. we know that this won't be in history books at that school. it will definitely get flipped. did gen z not see bring it on for what it was? or were they like it's just a movie?! anywho go eagles Coppin proud
Thank you!
Majorette Dancing started at HBCUs. It's HBCU culture and spreaded to high schools and community groups. It's not just Black culture. It's HBCU culture. There are a lot of black ppl and white ppl who know nothing about HBCU Majorettes. So Vivica is spot on!
Did Majorette culture start at HBCU’s , are we sure of that ? , From what I know of the culture that might not be true .
@@onlyalisaawilliams Black Majorette Dance groups definitely started at HBCUs - first Majorette Dance groups were at Jackson State, Alcorn State and Southern University... and alumni created those dance lines to their local HS and communities.
@@newszn_ that wasn't the question. You tried it though. The person said did majorette culture start at hocus. The person didn't say black majorette. The person said majorette. There's a difference.
@@JenJHayden Chileee. The issue here is whether it's ok to replicate HBCU majorette style dance teams at PWIs. NOBODY is arguing whether they should do twirls and batons - European style. And the USC team was doing HBCU style majorette not the European Majorette. So YES HBCU majorette started at HBCUs - self explanatory. HBCU majorette is a distinctively different style of dance that whatever you're thinking of. 🤔
@@onlyalisaawilliams yes it did. Do your research please
OMG....Vivica with the cheer is cracking me up!! "Oh my god...let's go....okay....go timmy" CTFU LMAO
🤣🤣🤣 I hollered!!!
The hair on these ladies is given me life and BEAUTY 😍😍😍😍
What Ms Fox fail to realize is that most HBCUS are private schools vs Public Schools. A Black Student will get STATE money for Pell Grants and Scholarships at a PWI for being State Run School. Then many Black school don't have to room and space to accommodate the flood of black students that apply to them. I live in Greensboro, North Carolina, home of North Carolina A&T State University. They are approaching 14,000 students. They have a severe case of not having enough room for these students. Thousands of other kids are turned away every year because they don't have enough scholarships for those students or room for those students. So many had to end up going to UNC Greensboro or Elon College or Guilford College. Or N.C. State, they get more scholarship money from State than A&T. I've had many friends that couldn't get scholarship money and go to go to A&T. So it's not that easy in some cases and kids have to go with another option. And being at these kids are on the west coast. Their isn't any HBCU past Texas or Ohio. Maybe sometimes those students want to stay closer to home if they from California. It's not always cut and dry.
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Well tell they ass stay right there in Cali wit them white folks and Mexicans. Too damn bad they migrated out the south and didn’t come back through.
There are definitely more public HBCUs than private where are y’all getting y’all statistics from.
Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but the argument that the student should have attended an HBCU if she wanted to be a part of the dance/majorette team is just like saying like saying students who pledge to become part of the D9 should not have step shows if you are attending a PWI.
We stay handing over things that ours and in 30 years we wouldn’t even know we had anything to do with it is the same story over and over again, so yes it’s important for certain things within our culture to be gate keeped.
Absolutely!
So question if Whyte people keep items sacred should we as black people get mad?
Amen!!
This!! 💯 For what?
Agreed
As a graduate from an HBCU for Undergrad and a PWI for graduate school as well as a member of the Divine 9- I just don't see the issue. I don't think PWI's are stealing black culture if a group of black women created a group on their campus that didn't exist for them. I liken it to Divine 9 Chapters that were started on PWI campuses (3 of which originated at PWIs and the other 6 at HBCUs). Their creation of their dance squad is not going to take away from the Legacy that was already built at HBCUs.
If I am Black, then the Black experience is wherever I am...
If there is not space for me, then I will make space for me...
Congratulations to this courageous and talented scholar as well as the founding members of this troupe!👏❤💪🏾👏❤💪🏾
Thank you Syleena! I am black wherever I go, that doesn't disappear when I step onto the USC campus! If the report was that they were trying to start a Majorette team at USC and they were not being allowed to because it was "too urban" Vivica would probably be complaining about that. You can't win!
Problem with that is that they don't let you be Truly black in their spaces. And if they do, there's an alterior motive. Soon and very soon you will see majorettes done predominantly by those yt girls and black girls will be locked out....ask Beyonce about that when she went to the country music awards....ask them who is the King of Rock and Roll
@@PanAfricanist This is very true, but it's also inevitable. Are we supposed to stop being "black" in spaces where we aren't prominent in order to keep our culture ours? If so, then is it really ours if we can't be ourselves in whatever space we're in? That doesn't make sense. If she wants to live her culture in a space where it isn't, then she and her fellow sisters (black women) should be free to do so.Why should she have to dial her culture down because she happens to attend a higher education facility with predominantly other cultures?
@@kmoses8191 you gone lose 😂
No disrespect, but did you attend a PWI or an online college?
This needs to be the top comment! There will always be something. You can't satisfy people that think like that.
Also congratulations to the young sister, princesslang0 , future leader who was able to get it established. Way to change and represent the culture.
That damn MARjorette 😂
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As an educator…I want to bring to light how difficult it is for students to get admitted let alone to apply to HBCUS vs PWIs. This is due to exposure and lack of representation in the counseling offices. And it is not appropriation of the student is African American.
Majorettes are in all cultures. The dance style is different between HBCUs and predominantly white schools.
Vivca laugh takes me out every time 😂😂😂😂😂
Vicki is so wrong. Not everyone can got to a HBCU
You can be black everywhere but it’s not that young girls culture it’s hbcu culture she’s appropriating that culture and giving it to someone else. She could have gone to an HBCU.
The BAND culture at HBCU is working on shoestring budgets, we need to continue to fund and support them if we're going to take the culture elsewhere. Few may know but women leave Cali and other states to audition for Southern states HBCU dance lines yearly. There's actually a Woman on the front row of 2022 Fabulous Dancing Dolls who is from Long Beach and she EATS DOWN!!! It cost $$$ to get then bands to RoseBowl parades and other Non HBCU events. Pay it forward to the HBCU
dance culture.
Selena made this about being Black. It's about culture and traditions. If ur Black at a PWI, create your own culture and traditions.
Thank you, Vivica!!! Thank you for being Black!!!
No! Black ppl always wanna share 🙄
Problem with that is that they don't let you be Truly black in their spaces. And if they do, there's an alterior motive. Soon and very soon you will see majorettes done predominantly by those yt girls and black girls will be locked out....ask Beyonce about that when she went to the country music awards....ask them who is the King of Rock and Roll
That's a big problem with some of our Black people we are to accepting and sharing and then cry when the culture is appropriated. Vivica is right don't introduce HBCU dance to an PWI.
Okay. I am a former majorette. Baton twirlers are considered majorettes. I twirled for years, and I was a member of the color guard during my band years twirling rifle and flag. So, here is the protocol. After the drum majors, you have the majorettes or the baton twirlers (if the high school or college has them), the dance team, which is what people are referring to as majorettes, and the color guard consisting of rifle and flag twirlers. The dance teams are not truly considered majorettes in the true sense of the word unless it has changed over the years. They are just dancers..period. They don't twirl or spin anything. LOL They dance.
FYI, dance teams are big in the hbcu world. That's one of the main reasons fans go to the games is because of them and the bands. If you attended an hbcu you would know this. They are also known as majorettes but mainly identified as dancers at hbcus. Majorettes is more appropriate for high school.
@@RJ25255 I attended Jackson State University. Home of the Sonic Boom of the South! Our dance team is known as the J-Settes, not majorettes. They are dancers. In addition, I was preparing to become the majorette..baton twirler, during my sophomore year in school. Anything else you have to say?
@@gingersnaps997 ma'am I graduated from txsu so I'm very aware who the Jsettes are. Just like ours is called the motion. Their style is still considered majorette style. Majorettes term is better used in high schools and pwis with the batons and twirling.
The term is now formally Majorette Dance. Where Shirley Middleton Blakely at JSU had a vision was for young ladies who were originally majorettes to become dancers in the early 70's. Some eventually decided to put down their batons and just dance. Some majorette dancers like the Golden Delights of NC A&T still incorporate baton twirling in their dancing.
@@video_phone That's what I thought must have happened. The use of the word majorette has now morphed into something that no longer automatically includes baton twirling (at least in black culture).
😂 They are funny. I actually agree with both of them, but if I only got a full ride from a PWI then I’m taking my culture there! Sorry Viv.
I love that the girls had the heart to bring their culture to the school where they are attending! HBCUs should be proud of them if anything. I applaud them because our people being authentic wherever we are found, is what we should be about. period. Thank you Syleena!
This is the dumbest…😫😫😫 can we own bringing degrees or highest GPAs on a particular field?
Why does it have to be dancing bucking shucking & jiving?🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️
I went to PWI. Ugh, I’m going to say it needs to stay within HBCU. 3-4 yrs from now and those new majorettes will be all white.
SPEAK !!
Disagree
@@al4539 okay. We always complain when our culture is snatched from us but looks like we don’t mind giving it away
And it's ok if so!!! Let's celebrate our moments and enjoy life to the best we know how.
I wanted to go to an HBCU, but at the time my major wasn’t offered and I didn’t have a car to drive to class sooo… I went to the PWI that was 5 minutes walking distance to my parent’s house. The professors were great and both my major and minor was being offered. I considered pledging my freshman year, but with it being a PWI the Devine 9 was non existent, but the school was partnered with the local DST Chapter and I would be able to pledge that way. There are multiple factors on why some black students don’t go to HBCU’s. Also, a lot of them have bad reputations (ie known for being party schools) or they don’t have their accreditation. Let’s stop shaming black students for going to PWIs.
Your statement is very one sided and you can't generalize HBCUs for being party schools. I have attended both, HBCU and PWI. I could easily say Auburn is way more of a party school than Tuskegee TU, or Alabama State ASU (for example) but your statement serves no purpose. Let's not use the "bad reputation" as an excuse to make HBCUs look less reputable than PWIs. You can only speak from your perspective and cannot say (some black students don't go to HBCUs because they are party schools) they can speak on their own experience. If you only went to a PWI that is totally fine, but to put HBCUs in a negative light (because of what you assume other people think) isn't a very well thought out statement.
It totally fine to go to either HBCU or PWI, every school has their strengths and weaknesses. We even have the Black Ivy League schools (look them up if you don't know)
We have to remember that while times have changed (somewhat) we weren't allowed to attend PWIs at one point in time, so we created our own colleges. Things have definitely gotten better though. PWIs (to this day) still have to meet diversity quotas in order to receive certain extra funding and tax credits.
At the end of the day, I love both and would *NEVER* knock one over the other by saying _"some HBCUs are party schools therefore they have a bad reputation"_ you can find a party atmoshpere anywhere at any school if you are looking for it. People go to college for an education, and people will go to the best option (whether it's financial reason, distance, a particular degree program.) So let's not knock any school when it comes to higher education, especially for HBCUs when they were created out of necessity. ❤️☺️
Also look up a list of schools that have lost accreditation and see how many HBCUs are on any of those lists. You might have heard about Morris Brown (which they got it back!) 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 Or maybe one or two others, but those lists show majority 99.5% were PWIs sooooo..................
Exactly. HBCUs didn't offer my major either. Plus, there were none close to me and I wasn't going across the country just to attend an HBCU that didn't even offer my major. I went to all black schools my whole life before college, so it's not like I'm anti-black. This is a ridiculous argument and unnecessary division.
WHEN YOU DO STUFF LIKE THIS YOU TAKE ATTENTION AWAY FROM THE ORIGINALS DOWN SOUTH! Leave it at HBCU band funding is hard enough and we barely get sponsored nowadays. Why not just get the full HBCU experience and go to one? Somewhere where your not looked at as “ratchet” and “out of place” ??
💯 it should stay at HBCU'S.
We have ONE Black Hospital. One. Love the culture of HBCUs but how many students are waiting for Student Loan Forgiveness? How many have started businesses that lead to franchises for generations to come but instead sit by the phone waiting for American companies to call for employment. Why are many of the professors at HBCUs not of color. Of all the graduates over the years the college is not bringing them back to tenure them? We will have to shine where we can and an HBCU is not always the answer. 😞 Kudos for these young women for doing what they love where they are - just happens to be at a university that is not an HBCU.
You will NEVER get the HBCU experience or culture from a PWI. As a person who started out at a PWI but graduated from an HBCU, I know got a fact it’s completely different. If the HBCU doesn’t have your major, find one that does. If that major is one that most will like to study, the president will begin the process of looking into adding that field. But if the money is taken away from HBCUs, we can’t grown and expand to get my courses of study
I’m with Vivica. Besides, it’s nothing like majorettes because they’re marching WITH the band and dancing to tunes of black culture. That’s not what they were giving at all. The HBCU experience is about excelling at what you do amongst our people with intent to positively represent and build our communities. We’ve gotta stop taking away from our communities and giving it to others for scraps only to look dumb begging for a seat at a table for what was originally ours. You want an HBCU experience, then you should go to an HBCU.
What if these girls were rejected from HBCUs? Should they not be able to pursue these things still?
Then try again next year. Go to a community college and then transfer. HBCUs are not turning down people that qualify. They need the funding. If you don’t get it, then it’s not intended for you and that’s okay. Forcing something for selfish reasons can have a negative impact on the majority. Js
@@MosesJD86 so she is to put her education on hold? Most people who take breaks don't come back. There's a reason that you apply to multiple schools, in case there is a no. At the end of the day, we don't know this young lady, we are for sure not paying any of her bills, and if the producer of this show had anything else to talk about, we wouldn't even know this story or that she existed.
@@ensabahnur3104 there’s a 107 HBCUs in the states. I’m sure she could find one that would accept her… especially considering she got into one of the most competitive schools in the nation. Secondly, I never said take a break, I said attend a community college to build your transcript. Most universities prioritize transfers before high schoolers. Regardless, she chose the PWI, not the HBCU which is perfectly fine, but don’t go taking away one of few things that are unique to HBCUs, reducing the appeal.
@@MosesJD86 she should not put her education on hold just so you can say you went to an HBCU. That’s terrible advice.
@@ak24553 where did I say put your education on hold? Reread it… slowly. In no way is that being implied. You’re still pursuing your education, all the while positioning yourself to be a stronger candidate the following year. Not every thing has to be on the first try. Encouraging a microwave/“I need it now” mentality is more counterproductive than you think.
You can't steal what you so readily give away. 😒
Claudia hush please with the pronunciation.
I love this discussion. I see both ladies’ points of view. Love the nuance & absolutely love Vivica for repping HBCUs even though I went to a PWI.
Yes Vivica Fox, you better protect OUR HBCU CULTURE!
I’m a bit confused , I was unaware “Majorette culture” started with HBCU’s , because most high school’s & colleges back in the day had Majorettes, but the culture died out , but continued at the HBCU’s I know in south especially Majorette culture has alway’s remained a thing , but because it’s still heavily practiced amongst our culture is it considered Black culture . Did Majorette’s start at HBCU’s? Maybe this need’s to be researched, before we start claiming ..I do know it’s still very big at different carnivals all over the world even in European culture …. We stay correcting White folks for stealing & appropriating our ish, but are claiming this culture without research , because of my personal knowledge, and simple Google , and I’m seeing German, Swiss, etc back in the 1800’s were very big on majorettes. 👀
I think the issue is the word "Majorette". The dancing girls are just that...dancers. They are part of the dance team. Majorettes are baton twirlers.
Thank you. I was born in Africa and on every parade when there’s a marching band there are majorettes. It’s a colonial heritage.
I think they are refering to the style of dance and not the majorette per se. The style is done at HBCU's and not at PWI. Every school has dance teams.
@@lunarose1066 thank you for your response, I was just about to but decided to read down.
@@gingersnaps997 That's what I thought as well. Dancers dance, Cheer leaders cheer, and Majorettes march and twirl batons. Each has their own lane, but sometimes word usage changes over a period of time. Sounds like they are now calling a particular style of team dancing "majorette". However, the majorette as a marching baton twirler definitely did not originate in black culture.
I absolutely agree with Syleena!!! 💜
I went to UCLA and during the 70’s we tried to start a Black Dance team but it wasn’t accepted but they were at the football games. I don’t remember how long they lasted.
I agree with Seleena 110%. I think people need to be careful about what they label as cultural appropriation. Is wearing straight hair styles like Europeans, when your hair is naturally curly, considered cultural appropriation? 🤔 Some people like to pick and choose what they want to call cultural appropriation. We all borrow from each other. As long as the original source is given the credit for the idea, I see no problem with it. However, I have to disagree with the idea that our HBCUs actually created the concept of majorettes. Majorettes actually started with marching bands and carnivals back in the 1930s. Look it up. HBCUs may have added some additional Flair and culture to the concept, but they didn't create it. Lawd have mercy we have got to stop being so damn sensitive about silly 💩. 🙄With everything that's going on we have much bigger fish to fry. There are so many other things that our community needs to be more concerned about than this nonsense.
The argument at the 5:00 mark got me hollering 😂 😂😂😂
This segment was crazy.
I'm with Vivica ALLLLLLL THE WAY!!!!! You want an HBCU experience, then ATTEND ONE.....PERIOD !! This is a super slippery slope when you think and remember the propensity of White people to appropriate and take ownership of things that was started in another culture.... For example ROCK & ROLL has been totally appropriated as their own by White culture, yet the so called " King of Rock & Roll , Elvis Presley STOLE all his swag , dance moves , singing style from BLACK ARTIST . Rock & Roll is culturally a BLACK art form , NOT a White one. And Most if not Every revered White Rock & Roll Artist when asked about influences and who inspired their style of music, make reference to primarily BLACK artist ....
I think it is called cultural blending. Usually this happens when cultural groups live together in an area.
It is. We have integrated for awhile now so it was going to happen but I feel Syleena on this!
I’m tired of this conversation!! Some of you all need to educate yourselves. Alonzo King’s Lines Ballet and Alvin Ailey are both dance companies with dance schools that offers BFA’s in dance at PWI’s. So, is my child suppose to stay home because an HBCU doesn’t offers what she needs to achieve her goal of becoming a company member and have a degree? Careers in dance are usually short. Add to the fact, she has what is considered a perfect ballet body not anywhere near the girls at HBCU’s and that’s fine. It’s bad enough that racism still exists in ballet but colorism is almost as prevalent. Now THIS! We would’ve gladly chosen a college that isn’t 85K per year.
Oh my goodness! 85 thousand a year? 🤐May she be blessed with a long and successful career.
Same thing happened in football.
We allowed term to take our top athletes and build national football programs after desegregation while HBCU’s are embarrassed on the field by that same talent.
We’re just simply a weak race of people that will abandon our own for individual interest:
SC had brothaz playing for that school from day one, literally… Look up Brice Taylor.
Shit sad af dawg
Vivica wasn't totally honest because you don't get the financial assistance at HBCUs that you get at PWIs. My son went to Morehouse and it wasn't CHEAP! Also Vivica in her career didn't always just stay in Black movies or shows. She took her talent to some PW spaces. Also HBCUs except white students. Things change.
What about the white boy who was a drum major head by the way- and great at it. The school predominantly black and he was accepted very well. By his peers. I think they called him vanilla funk. He got all the love
Another talking point... qnd a very good one too
You see how black people just help white people get to the next step but white people won't help black people get somewhere
He was in a black space at a black high school. I feel it’s more appropriate then. She brought our HBCU culture to the yt space. It’s like saying this is what we do at our predominantly black schools, y’all need to support and get other PWIs to hop on board with it. This would make it not sacred to HBCUs anymore and it would bring more black dollars to PWIs. It’s like saying why go to a HBCU when we could actually do the same at a PWI.
l with Vivica! My issue is the cultural appropriation that will take place!
Um...is it "$24,000 cheaper?” for her?
What's her major?
Is said major offered at her nearest hbcu?
Did the PWI give her a scholarship?
Is her nearest HBCU with a competitive program out of state?
Do her parents work at that PWI and it's cheaper for her to go there?
Maybe she wanted to be near an ailing family member and the PWI is closer?
There's a lot of variables that could have weighed on her choice...it may not have been cheaper for her to go an HBCU.
I kinda get what Vivica is saying like why go to a school that is 5 percent black if you want the black experience. So many Cali folks got to hbcus because we are used to living in towns where we are less than 10% of the population. But being a majorette isnt a exclusively hbcu thing.
She’s very misinformed. It’s not cheaper many of them are private schools. Terrible information she was giving out
@@ak24553 There are more public HBCUs than private…. Y’all don’t know what y’all are talking about. It would have definitely been cheaper for her to go to a HBCU unless she had a scholarship to attend USC. She is from Chicago she is not a Cali girl.
@@brandonb.4517 I help people get into college for the last 15 years of my career. I might understand this a little better than the average person.
@@ak24553 Ok and… What does that have anything to do with her starting a black dance team at a white college.
Interesting subject, I love me so.e Vivica Fox but I have to say, I disagree with her on this. I went to an HBCU, we can give it up werever we attend. Selena, I am 110% with everything you said. Our people would really be mad if ,Sara ann had started an immitation of our majorettes at a pwi.
I AGREE WITH VIVICA 1000%
I agree with Syleena 1000% on this one.
Viv giving seperate but equal vibes
My Cocktails with Queens ..ROCK!!!!!!
I agree with Syleena!
Problem with that is that they don't let you be Truly black in their spaces. And if they do, there's an alterior motive. Soon and very soon you will see majorettes done predominantly by those yt girls and black girls will be locked out....ask Beyonce about that when she went to the country music awards....ask them who is the King of Rock and Roll
So this is where I have to step in and say USC is a highly selective and competitive university. They typically award full scholarships to black under represented students. HBCUs unfortunately don’t have the capitol to offer those awards as much. Therefore many academically gifted black students choose to forgo student loans by attending predominantly white institutions. It’s not right, or wrong but it’s a reality. And in addition to that majority of our Black Greek lettered organization chapters are housed at predominantly white institutions… But no one’s complaining about that tradition so why do we have selective outrage?…
Or even want to go as they been to predominately black schools from elementary-high school. And it’s nothing wrong with that!
It’s not bad thing!!! there is no debate about black fraternities and sororities being at PWI’s.
The problem anything brought to YT ppl they change and ruin it!! Just like integration it is a double cross!! We didn’t win at that either…. 🤦🏽♀️🤷🏽♀️
The squad is black....today.....but we all know this will change and the squad will be integrated and then you will see a gentrified majorette squad, hence relinquishing HBCU culture to PWI...but go sis....let that dance scholly pay your tuition.
Preach
When they do it.. Stealing
When we do it…opportunity
I am with Syleena 100%. Show up as you are no matter where you are. Freedom of expression 24/7.
As a black dancer, this makes my shit itch. However, as long as the whole dance team is black, I cant say much. But as soon as I see a Beckesha, I'm gone🙅🏽♀️✌🏾🤦🏽♀️
What’s a Beckesha? Asking respectfully.
@@ameliabedelia7018 A white girl/woman who wants to be black, "act black", talk black etc. They usually pick the worse stereotypes of black women to emulate. That "catch me outside" girl is a great example. Basically everybody wants our rhythm, but not our blues.
@@hawkeyemadi I like that last line you said. 😆
100% Vivica.
1000%
She can't even say majorette..I'm dead
Lol 😂
When black athletes started being recruited by PWI's was the downfall of HBCU's. If all PWI's start have majorettes will more black women choose them over HBCU's? Many attend HBCU's because of the difference in culture.
Ugh I see both sides… I hate that!
Do any of y’all realize a lot of HBCU’s don’t offer your major or they reject you sometimes ? When I was applying for college none of the HBCU’s had my culinary arts major so I went to a PWI
Why would you apply to a HBCU without reviewing their majors offered?
I did look it up before I applied like what are you talking about
I mean the Black Woman, created the team...so I have no thoughts. For all we know they could have been majorettes and practicing long before they got to college ( i.e The Dancing Dolls)
What if they got a full ride scholarship to that PWI school? SYLEENA is on the money.
Yes Queens! Periodt
Once they introduce it on the campus, other races WILL have to be accepted, which leads to cultural appropriation
Wtf is Margeorette Claudia 😹😹😹😹😹😹😹
I’m exhausted as a Black person with the constant stupid crap people fight over as being culture! Also, why do we think we own everything in entertainment, Jesus have pride as Black people for something other than dancing, music. Why not call out all the HBCU graduates who don’t ever give back to their schools, they show up for damn football games and nothing else! V. Fox sounds like a dang fool, I go where I have the best opportunity for my life. I want to both a Non-HBCU and a HBCU and I have my own experience with HBCU that didn’t make me feel proud, it was nothing but a constant competition of stupidity in my opinion! I have worked for many top tier firms and I fight for scholarships and recruiting for these HBCU and I can’t even tell you how the majority of administration fails to do the same for those kids! I am so annoyed with the supposed woke black folks that truly are just simple minded as they can be!
Bravo Syleena!
My daughter goes to the most Lilly white PWI school and I wish they had some black majorettes there!
Just wait until next year's intake, the "everyone is welcome" bs is gonna start then.
I don’t think it has to be either/or. Majorettes can exist at HBCUs and PWIs
I agree with VIVICA 100% and I attended an HBCU!
💯
I understand what Syleena is saying but I also understand Vivica’s side as well, the young woman has a right to start the team the issue could occur is that once she is gone/graduated, who will take the reigns not every black girl that will go to that pwc will won’t to be a majorette, what could possibly happen is someone that is not black heading this team and becoming a real life bring it on situation, where they are showcases that team on social media like it’s something they came up with and going viral when young black women started this it happens all the time others taking credit for what black women created
Exactly the right argument. This is my issue with it!
Thank you Vivica
1) Most of the top football and basketball players at USC are black, so why not have black majorettes helping to support and cheer them on ?
2) Most college students are not kids, they’re adults who are treated like kids.
3) Regarding “Cultural Appropriation”, all of the ladies in this video are wearing “Real Asian Hair” on their heads with White woman hair styles. If that’s not cultural appropriation, I don’t know what is.
Fox sounds ignorant!!!
Absolute Yay!!!