The Four Great Ironies of the United States' TikTok Ban*
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- Опубликовано: 9 июн 2024
- Last week, the House of Representative passed a bill that would force the Chinese owners of TikTok to divest themselves from the company. This video explores the logic behind such a ban, what might happen next, and the great ironies that underlie the whole situation.
0:00 TikTok Ban Irony
1:02 Military Security Concerns
3:54 Influence Operations
6:11 The Ban Passes the House
8:31 How Forced Divestment Would Work
11:42 Use-It-or-Lose-It Problem
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Interesting that they stress that the data is stored in Virginia and are mostly mute as to exactly who has access to that data.
For real, they can easily open a back door for it to be accessed with complete deniability.
Short memory? The US government can access any data from any US company without warrant, if it's stored within its jurisdiction (They can still do it outside, but then both the company and the US government commit a cybercrime). And they still try to prosecute Wikileaks for letting the world know about it. EU vs. Facebook & Co... Eventually unfortunately the EU relented, so SM Apps now only need to ask for explizit permission to transfer user data out of EU jurisdiction. Without a provision, that users from the EU must be able to opt-out without losing access to the app. (Btw. fight was less about the US government spying on EU-citizens, more about selling it the unsavory third parties.)
While China has surly a better grip on things, if they were transfering user data to china, we would likely know. Keeping a lid on things, it's much harder, if the potential whistleblowers are outside of your jurisdiction and can pretty much count on instant asylum.
It’s not just about the data. They can easily convince a general or government officials kid to download a program to their phone, circumventing so many of the steps necessary to digitally compromise the general/offical. Even if you keep your kid off TikTok as you would with drugs/alcohol, their friends will most definitely try to help them get access because this isn’t even as bad as drugs/alcohol from a teens perspective.
It’s really an incredible tool for China that’s too big to fail. Even if they divest, they will maintain some control and access through TikTok employees.
This is a misdirection. It's not really about where the data is or who has it. It's about what they are doing with it and how they are using it.
If a foreign country wanted to build a nuke in Virginia, does that make it more acceptable? No?? Same thing more or less in my view.
It doesn't matter if its tiktok or not. All social media companies sell your data. And governments can get it from data brokers. Even if Tiktok never existed, CHina can buy data obtained by Facebook, Instagram, youtube etc.
If congress actually cared about our privacy, they would pass a data privacy law for all internet platforms which would include Tiktok. But no, this is entirely politically motivated and one with dangerous precedents too.
The FCC regulates foreign broadcasting, I don’t see why we shouldn’t have regulations for foreign social media.
Then they should probably start regulating their own media, wouldn't you say?
Or is racism and Nazis on twitter worse than tweens dancing videos?
The CCP chose to be adversarial especially on the cyber front, the vulnerability of the app has been expressed with evidence for awhile by the computer science community.
For context byte-dance is the same company with a different name for reason. The last company had proven ties as a willing and eager partner that did all technology & software for the CCPe “security apparatus” when the CCP went cyber-punk police state on millions of Uyghurs Muslims (Chinese citizens) & facilitated an all too fast cultural genocide. The speed & efficiency was directly from “bytedance” assistance of its technology.
Read the bill please, only 13-14 pages.
How is it any different from other countries banning wikipedia or facebook?
Banning any application foreign or domestic is anti freedom and liberty. Peope should be able to roam any site without being restricted. If they are stealing my data so? It’s my choice not yours to decide what website I should visit.
I don't see why the first amendment or any constitutional amendment is a big deal either
@@ahrlj24 There's plenty of things the app has been proven to do that are obviously direct threats to any country it's being used in. If you care enough, go read the extensive reporting done by citizenlab in the report titled "TikTok vs Douyin".
I still cant believe how the congressional hearing went. There were so many good criticisms to make and instead we got "does tiktok access the wifi" and "someone said mean things to me online"
Well, it’s congress… they are professional morons for a reason.
I still do agree with the potential ban.
Not because of the user data… but because of the ease of which you can conduct informational warfare.
The world knows that the hearing was just a drama to make the US look democratic, because whatever the outcome of the hearing, they already have a decision for Tiktok.
wish you'd done this video in portrait mode
And in max 180 seconds?
@@fdabelsteinas a bunch of shorts
Being in the over 40 group, this is the most time I’ve spent using, thinking or caring about Tik Tok!!!!!! However, it’s ironic that my first serious involvement is about its destruction!!! 😂😂😂😂 Love your presentations!
(Assuming from the way youve worded it younarent much over 40?) We kinda got screwed tech wise didnt we. Like we were too young to make the big $$ in the early days of internet with the Microsofts, Amazons, Googles etc and too old to make the big $$ from becoming a big youtuber, tik tok star etc
We're a similar age: layoff the punctuation overload. We don't need any help embarrassing ourselves online.
@@1steyeblind You people were in your 20s and 30s in 2009 when you could buy a house for 130k, stop crying.
@simondaniel4028 You do know that when you use "Talk Text," it inserts a lot of punctuation.
I used to go back and proff read and make corrections. I don't bother anymore.
@@spacemanx9595 not where i live In Australia but you’re right real estate is absolutely ridiculous nowadays everywhere it seems. Mainly cos of greed, like housing should be for living in not for getting rich off is my personal opinion. And yeah if you are younger thsn me i reckon you guys have it f$&kin tough. I was only joking with what I wrote originally about being youtuber etc but if it makes you less angry at me I lost my house when I had these tumour things growing in the back of my eye requiring lots and lots of surgeries which insurance weaselled out of paying for lots of. So it aint me driving house prices up 🤷🏼♂️
With the flood of phone calls to Congress, tic tok accidentally showed that it is an interference tool as well, not just an information and influence tool.
Flood of phone calls from who?
The same thing can happen on Facebook. Remember when we all had red equal signs, or when everyone had seseam street profile photos?
So is Facebook, remember when we all had red equal signs in support of gay marriage?
@nromk surely, it was discussed years ago of their influence and the idea to even break up these social media giants to curb their influence but during the Trump admin did not push hard enough because it is "anti-business" right? 😅
was that promoted by facebook itself? thats the issue here, tiktok *told* people to interfere, and used misinfo to do it
Haha what irony, a chinese app that cannot be used in china
Because it's dangerous to the GrEaT cHiNa if their citizens can share stuff online without censorship from the state.
It's a thoroughbred cyberweapon.
Do you think they want that degeneracy on their kids? TikTok is the most cancerous thing on planet earth, if we had any b*lls here in the West it would have been banned 3 years ago...
Bytedance has a copy of it called douyin which started as tiktok and had to change to adhere to Chinese censorship laws.
It's the same tiktok logo and interface
It is used in china old
what@@mohamedabdukadir3271
"Confused? You won't be after this week's episode of...".
Hi, fellow "above 40".
@@fdabelsteinYes, definitely 'above 40' lol
@@fdabelsteinI may not be above 40 but I do have all 4 seasons. Great show!
I'm less concerned about data extraction from ordinary citizens, and more concerned about cyber propoganda
Yup. That is my main concern as well. Data extraction is only really useful to the Chinese if it’s Federal/Military personnel or if it is Chinese dissidents living abroad.
The ability to make a minute long short filled with misinformation being purposefully spread by bots or paid trolls and having millions upon millions of young, impressionable and lazy people view it and just believe it.
@@PeterMuskrat6968 "Data extraction is only really useful to the Chinese if it’s Federal/Military personnel or if it is Chinese dissidents living abroad." it would be really stupid for those to be using any social media regardless of the company. Like someone in witness protection deciding to become a streamer ...
You call it irony, I call it hypocrisy
honestly they are already too late if they want to protect people.
If they really wanted to protect people, they would have implemented universal healthcare.
The only thing that stops warfare, is losing a war. This is info war, and while it won't go like Russia, there is a little thing called karma.
America doesn't care enough to exhibit the humiliation sought, even though we started it
Hurt people hurt people
Yes but better late than never. Ive been pushing for this ban ever since I learned what tiktok was. It should have been implemented the day tiktok was invented. We can at least protect all the would be new users in the future.
More like hide tiktok from Gaza Genocide. Lol
We in the United States are free and democratic countries, and everyone can speak freely. Unlike China's dictatorship, China is autocratic.
Please for the love of lines on maps! Please make the Maduro video. It’s so unique that he was singled out and it is pretty important since it deals with issues the US and (more importantly regarding the man himself) Venezuelan people have in dealing with him.
It is worth remembering that western governments recognise jailed opposition leader Juan Guaido as the de jure President of Venezuela.
8:02 - I'm thirty eight, still use facebook and my knees will explode in pain if I try to dance for a Tik Tok video.
So you're spot on, mate!
Also, why are they complaining about us banning TikTok when they banned American social media sites as well, double standards
Are they actually banned or did those companies pull out because they didn't want to comply with regulations like what happened with Google?
@@MorbidEel naw, they banned them
@@pabcu2507source? I mean actual announcements or the equivalent of an Act being passed.
I just remember actual Chinese people in China giving wrong info for what should be simpler things like money transfer.
TY for bringing up this subject. 👍
Thank you for making the confusing stuff understandable!!! You’re the best!
Thank you, Professor. This vid is extremely helpful. My 20-ish granddaughter, (who of course is raising the roof over this idea) and I discussed this when it first passed the House. Even though she was boiling and indignant as only smart young people can be, We both felt a true lack of actual data. Perhaps now we can have a more fulsome discussion. Much appreciation.
This is the most hilarious upload ever on this channel. It's a comedy of ironies. An international relations version of Seinfeld. I was waiting for the mention of how the country supporting the free flow of money and speech is looking to create barriers to speech backed by money. 😂
This was just pure gold! Thanks!!! ❤
The fun part is that I don’t and will never use TikTok. Not worth my time.
I was worried there for a couple of minutes that we wouldn't get any lines on maps in this video
ONE DAY ! Come on William ! The C.C.P. is undoubtedly getting this info on an ongoing basis . Just because it is stored in one place does not preclude it being stored in another as well .
True
Exactly.
Yeah, and the US government does the same thing with Twitter, Instagram, RUclips, google in general, and basically every social media platform other than Tik Tok. I dislike Tik Tok, but the reason it’s being singled out is racism and sabre rattling.
@@azlanadil3646how is sanctioning foreign powers who openly spy on their and foreign citizens, totally disregard national and personal souverenity and actively undermine international institutions racism?
it's not getting banned because it's made by chinese people, it's getting banned because it's a tool for actors with bad intent.
@@azlanadil3646 It's not RACISM to not want your data to be scooped up by a foreign adversary. Does everything have to be "racism" these days? You twits overuse this term so much it has become meaningless.
well done sir. love you work!
Byte Dance Executives just last week were called to the main CCP complex wher😢they were compelled to apologize for something. The what isn’t important because in China, if you are told you need to apologize-you do regardless if you did the deed or not. So it’s obvious if told to hand over data, if you value your health you do what they say.
Source please
Very thought provoking
The concern I have with TikTok and other apps with tracking capabilities is the same in regards of Facebook and Instagram. The difference lies in the continent, since Meta would happily give all tracking data for free to the CIA, the FBI or even the DOJ.
Hence why Amarican apps and sites are banned in China and Russia, forcing you to have a VPN to access those.
Bing isn't banned there.
Why are you trying to hide from the FBI?
Excellent video. Succinct. Easy-to-digest. Honest. Sharable with those caught in the fog of confusion. Thank you.
I think that is the most generous donation I have ever received. Thank you so much!
@@Gametheory101Anti-propaganda'ing ain't cheap. Always help the helpers.
The correct course of action is to ban TikTok and bring back Vine
Its better be be in control of poison that you consume than consuming a posion the even their rival have control over and they themselves never consume the poison itself😅
Looking back, vine was actually better than TikTok. It was more chaotic and genuine. TikTok by comparison is way more fake and has a lot more thirst traps and stealth ads for O F accounts. Plus, the literal brain rot of AI speech over unrelated subway surfer/soap cutting/Family Guy clips is way worse than anything you'll see in the Vine compilations that still exist on RUclips.
Is Congress doing it for the vine?
@@fematrailer I think that's more to do with the age of the internet than Vine or TikTok itself. Part of it has to do with TikTok paying so much and turning content creation into a vicious business, but a lot of it has to do with the age of the internet.
@PherPhur People were saying Vine was cringe at the time, but a lot of the newer comments on old Vine compilations say stuff like, "This predicted [this year]'s humor in 2015!" In actuality, the internet is largely the same. It's just been segregated between the sincere and genuine user generated content and the enshitified algorithmically optimized and attention-hacking brain rot content. If you've been on the internet for a long time, you can see the things that have changed and what's stayed the same. I've kinda bought into the "dead internet theory" a bit, and believe that the amount of botting, sockpuppeting, and AI generated comments are much higher than people expect. I'm not saying that I think that TikTok videos are fake or AI or anything stupid like that, I'm just skeptical of the claims of how popular a lot of the stuff on there really is. TikTok and Twitter look more like a Potemkin village than anything else to me.
The problem is that ByteDance has a dedicated office at TikTok HQ with complete access to everything and I've heard rumors of the CCP already accessing user data to identify & track dissidents for example.
Something the US government would *never* do. Honestly, you have to feel bad for Snowden. He gave up his life to try to protect a group of people who seem to want nothing more than their own subjugation.
Well according to those reliable rumours, the chinese filled their SOLID boosters with water, the 3 gorges dam has shifted so much 20 times that is collapse is imminent. Still it's somehow standing and i have yet to figure out, how the chinese managed to keep the water in the solid boosters frozen.
And i doubt, that any chinese dissident uses tik-tok. That would be like Wikileaks using Facebook for getting data from american whistleblowers.
I would be far more worried if i were a chinese dissident, about the fact, the western tracking tech (military grade) has been found on the phone of a murdered journalist critical of a certain middle eastern kingdoms human rights abuses. it certainly came with strings attached, so china can't simply buy in. but those rely on zero day exploits, and using them instead of reporting them..., means others like the chinese will find them too. But very useful to keep hunting those pesky whistleblower that reported your war crimes to the world.
why wouldn't they? intelligence agencies don't care about the law or even basic human rights.
@@azlanadil3646 indeed Europe should make meta twitter and such sell there Europe parts to European companies because we know the us is doing the same
@@azlanadil3646 I know right? exiled to Russia, the bastion of anonymity and freedom of the press, that being said American spying on its citizens doesn't make China's spying on American citizens ok, I agree people are way too eager to give up their anonymity and the US intelligence apparatus is also reprehensible but two wrongs don't make a right and no need to run defense for the Chinese government unless you're a wumao and in that case get a real job lol
wow - for a while I was frightened that we weren't going to get a line on a map, but William delivered :)
Lines on TikTok? Inconceivable!
I want to know more on how Madura got on the US:s foreign adversaries-list. 😂
8:46
Great video, as always.
Same. Plus the question why Cuba is still on that list.
Because the U.S. government recognises Guaido as the legitimate Venezuelan President. So the reasoning is that Venezuela is not a foreign adversary, but the illegitimate Maduro regime that de facto rules Venezuela is.
It's incredible how you can break down complex and /or confusing topics for the average person,along with a sly bit of humor.I have thanked many times the friend that introduced you to me.🍎🤔
Thank you!
I love Will's sharp mind. Its like i get to attend high-end lectures at an Ivy Leagure school for free. :)
Guess witch country banned that first😂
China
so basically story goes like this, china doesn't ban their own app you cry if they do ban their own app and do the right thing where needed you still cry?
@@scorpiom8053 cope🤓
@@scorpiom8053 No, where do you get this twisted logic 🤣
@@caocaohehe Yes, that's how it is.
What about American apps? Aren't they also able to access user data from other countries?
Other countries do ban American apps...
@@wnnn2268 which ones, and under what circumstances? Anything which is anti-China gets defended in the US...
@@dpeaseheadRussia and China both ban all of our social media. Under circumstances similar to the ones in this video but often also because they want to control. They even banned apps like LinkedIn and so that they can have more control over their workforce.
@@dpeasehead China, Iran, North Korea, Myanmar, Russia, Turkmenistan and Uganda. Have all banned facebook under the pretences of national security...
The main issue is that the Chinese government can just force a Chinese company to give up data. This isn't so in the US. This is why so many nations still trust and use US apps, even US enemies like Russia. Also what prevents the right for the US to ban a foreign services? China does it all the time.
Uh oh, the "AI" now wants us to dance😂 Love your video's and your humor!
William Spaniel Thanks for posting this video.
This is just the strangest story. My bet would be amazon being the buyer since they lack their own short video platform but have the means and technology to buy and run it.
China enacted a law that says all major companies will have to ask permission to sell their business.
@@elmoheadGood on them… I hope the Chinese prevent a sale so we can just straight up ban it off of app stores.
I don’t care about the data, I care about the hoopleheaded morons on the US who don’t do an ounce of research viewing short form videos choc full of misinformation that they will inevitably believe without doing any background research.
Thank you for presenting this TikTok topic in the most interesting and informative way possible.
this is by far the most hilarious video of you,, I couldn't stop laughing the whole time
Kindly make a video on strategy and strategic studies
The way the company handled the news basically guaranteed that they'll eventually be forced to divest. Whether through this current legislation or extreme pressure in the future. I wish our government did a better job of illustrating to people the differences in US private entities vs Chinese 'private' entities. Pretty much all aspects of the Chinese economy are centrally controlled. This is not the case in the US, and you can not treat their companies the same. You have to treat ALL Chinese businesses as direct appendages of the CCP, because that's basically what they are. At least insofar as the threat they represent to security. There will NEVER be an actual independent corporation in 'Communist' China.
If only most Americans can grasp that concept if it is relayed to them that clearly. I even find it so silly, that some on the Right think Chinese private companies is playing capitalism on the same sense as the American ones, while those on the Left think the issue of "privacy" matters that much to Chinese company that is compelled to give data for the CCP for their national security purposes. Data privacy is irrelevant when your olforeugn adversary is already gathering data regardless of your domestic concerns about it AOC. 👎
I'd rather the CCP look at my data over the CIA. Atleast China doesnt kill millions in foreign forever wars
Ironic
to say the least......ooooooh boy.
Don'tcha think?
No, no, no, we in the United States are free and democratic countries, and everyone can speak freely. Unlike China's dictatorship, he is authoritarian.
6:38 Good point, same thing here, the most random thing to say at that moment
Best 60sec coverage of the story on the internet.
It’s about reciprocity. They don’t let twitter, instagram or other US based apps into China
They ban Twitter and Instagram because they don't follow the law. You can operate but you have to follow the law. Bing is not banned
Yeah Us call themselves democratic, yet my unpopular commentbalways been censored by ytb, ig, fb irony
Umm yea I get it, but I thought the US was the beacon of democracy and calls itself “Land of the Free” and frequently lectures other countries on “First Amendment Rights”, and China is the communist, the bad guy everyone hates according to the US right? But then why is the US doing the same thing China is doing? Reciprocity? Sure, then according to you, the US is as bad as China, you can't deny that. The US says it supports free market but at the same time, when the US starts losing, they start banning apps and put tariffs on certain countries. Yep, just like how the US put high tariffs on Japanese goods back in the 80's, because US companies couldn't compete. Lol. The irony. But the people in the US are not aware of this, all they know is "US good China bad" narrative. Hypocritical much.
@@scva-socallvillainadvocate Corporation can control speech with or without tiktok. some special interest just want more market share
@scva-socallvillainadvocate LOL no irony there, the US doesn't ban your comments, private companies do that 😂
You should write a book!!
All these ironies make you really think: What exactly do they know that they aren't telling us?
Good stuff, thanks
Yeah, but its not a "Ban" and should not be called that its a forced decoupling from the Chineese government, so its odd why the Chineese government is pissed, even though they claim they have nothing to do with it in the first place.
The CCP are data mining there for years and them being cut of their "golden goose" for that and their active measures is a net gain not just for the US but for anti-authoritarian societies in general.
The US can essentially lead the way for other Western and aligned countries to throw that spy app away.
As for their each country's domestic, privately owned social media (surveillance) app. (Facebook, for example)
This ban might even serve as a basis to curb that type of operation as well. If you are for anti-censorship. Start with your adversary and then deal with your own internal issues.
This is the very same thing China did when they banned most Western apps, but the US will be doing it in the same way but with the opposite intent.
We're reaching a Chernobyl level event of irony with this 1.
Which is the greatest Chinese import to the US. 1. Covid 2. Fentanyl 3. TiKTok 4. Temu ? Feel free to add to the list.
That is some serious line-on-map action at 1:59
we need more acts like the "No TikTok on Government Devices Act", by which i mean, acts that say what they do
Why the hell are the controls on those devices so lax to begin with? From a security perspective the default should be 'deny all' then individuals should request individual apps if it is required for their work.
Also to perform a thorough job the Act should also ban people from bringing their own devices or co-mingling their devices with government devices. Too many potential wireless attack vectors.
40 seconds in: "still with me?"
The answer is no, but I will watch the rest anyway.
"It becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time, August 29th. In a panic, they tried to pull the plug."
"Skynet fights back?"
"Yes."
Thanks Bill!
01:56 I was wondering how the line is gonna be drawn. A truly impressive line.
Without talking about the ban specifically, I think we can all agree there should be _some kind_ of line, and you shouldn't just be able to weaponize a platform to an unlimited degree under the guise of "free speech". So, the discussion needs to be about where we can draw that line, and if TikTok crosses it, and if _some of our own platforms also cross it._ Instead, the debate has devolved into a useless, binary, back and forth shouting match, like everything inevitably does because of our two party duopoly (speaking of, the game theory around vote splitting and how it influences our politics and society would be a great topic for this channel, it's hugely impactful and responsible for basically all of our problems...).
News Flash: You have 1 Party: The Oligarch Party. It does pretend it's two wing's are two parties... but both answer to the same people. The Donors. And all the big ones invest in both sides every election. Making sure you can't choose real change.
The real perk of the pretend two-party-state: Unlike the CCP, you never ever have to take responsibility. And you always walk away without punishment, no matter the crime.
What do you mean
The ban is content neutral with regards to speech. Specifically, it merely regulates social media's company ability to operate in the U.S. while also being beholden to foreign adversaries, so it doesn't violate 1A principles.
Commonwealth of Virginia? Not State of Virginia?
Is there a video coming up on this?
Would love to see a debate/colab between you and Ryan McBeth on this.
The time has come for Tiktok to return to Ke$ha's control
Hell yeah
Lines on apps? 🤔
Another Amazing Video! Thank you. 🇦🇺👴🏻
Thx William
How many drives to take all the data? Seriously, CCP already has it all. It’s just too easy to get and obfuscate the process of getting it.
no they don't, where you get the idea CPC even cares about your clown data
see see pee doesn't care about random data of some random person
@@scorpiom8053Don't spend your 25 cents all in one place.
We've had reports that the domestic servers for tiktok are empty anyway. There were engineers subpoenaed back when they were first investigating the company, who pretty much told everyone that all they do is transfer data to China and then route data back into the country.
Of course they do, it's AI training data. This is an AI arms race, you people see AI doomer shit all over the internet for how long now and you don't understand what's going on, for real?
I think you should've mention Tiktok's proposed "Project Texas", cause it actually feels like it'd solve most of the complaints against Tiktok without needing to deal with the potential moral, legal, and practical downsides. At least, that's my current impression, and I want to learn more about alternatives (instead of just "divestment" and "no change")
Ah, but then, you'd deprive Mnuchin of the algo he craves. "That technology should be ours", he recently stated.
It sounds good on paper but tiktok has already been caught lying about no American user data being stored in china, it actually turned out that user data from American tiktokers who were part of the creator fund (it's how u get paid on tiktok basically) had a ton of data stored on Chinese servers
Project Texas is just a morality virtue signal bill, that doesn't solve the actual problem. Who has root access to the servers, and who is securing the data is what ultimately matters.
@@technokicksyourassIn a sane world, maybe. But in this through-the-looking-glass world, what ultimately matters is that a rival has something highly profitable that the US wants. And it'll use any means, fair, foul or downright illegal and morally reprehensible to take it.
The problem is that the algorithm can still be influenced by the CCP, via ByteDance. And based on the content that gets the most engagement currently, we have reasons to suspect that it may have been purposefully designed to hurt US interests. In which case forcing ByteDance to sell it to a company in a non-adversarial country makes more sense as a solution.
The real irony is when VPN usage skyrockets in the US and the house has to pass a follow up bill that outlaws VPN.
I work in the data centers in Virginia, lol. So I’m a little freaked about how the divestiture will affect my job. I’m an American citizen working with Oracle and not a bytedance employee.
Lol i was just telling my coworker how I don't use tiktok cause it's a tool for the ccp
That will be a bad day for those Americans that actually make money with tiktok. RUclips shorts is getting pushed as everyone here has noticed already.
We'll see what happens next.
Oh no Anyway....
OMFG what will happen to the world as we know it if Vine shuts down????
Talentless hacks and demagogues will move on to the next platform that allows them to bombard an audience with shortform content that doesn't ask them to think.
Wait, on that list of foreign adversaries, why is Belarus not on that list? It seems like it would be. I wonder why it isn't.
Drenched in irony we are.
While there isn’t an overlap between Facebook and tik tok users, young people certainly use Instagram, which is also owned by meta. Reels would gain a lot of traction if tik tok dried up
And don't forget RUclips shorts. Many tik tok Creators would flood to RUclips.
The under 40 not using Facebook and over 40 not using TikTok is accurate. I am 39 and use neither.
The Venn diagram of TikTok and Instagram is quite similar to a circle
The US Senators questioning Tiktok's CEO with racism words while the Google, Meta and IOS Apple already stored almost every human on earth private data. Every countries realizing that this 3 huge companies based in the US and never protesting 🤣
This ignores how this data isn't actually taken by the US government, unlike in China, where the CCP can just force data out of domestic companies. You'd think said companies would all be banned by US enemies, yet they aren't. Cause the US isn't some tyrannical monster against all of its people like idiots wish to believe cause they're so sheltered.
NSA already has everyone's info anyway. People seem to have forgotten about stuff like their Carnivore program or when they were collaborating the Danish to spy on Sweden, Norway France, and Germany. Even the target countries only seem to react with "Bad America, bad!!!" and then go right back to doing whatever they were doing before. Maybe it is just the media companies sweeping things under the rug.
Why do people like tiktok enough to call their representatives? It's just the people on it that's important. Literally move to shorts and you've lost nothing except Chinese meddling.
"Banned in China" is a bit of a stretch. It just operates in China under a different name and with separate content.
No, it's true. TikTok and 抖音 are literally two different apps.
Douyin is a separate app, it shares many similarities but the TikTok app that exists in the US is in fact banned in China, along with all the US based social media sites, you can illegally use a VPN to access them but unless you work for the CCP as a wumao propagandist posting anything is ill advised.
@@user-pj6ch6cc4dWith the same format, the same icon/logo, and the same parent company.
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@@user-pj6ch6cc4d it the same app cater for region
This is ironic. But you, William, you are iconic.
The GPS jog tracker was how they murdered a russian war crime general in moscow
It odd China banned TikTok but when US going to banned or take over the app China mad!
Not odd, #CCP_CHINA Does gather information about the people who use that platform.
So Uncle Sam is the new copy cat on the block. 😂
@@brianliew5901 Ever heard of Wikileaks? The CCP is the copy-cat. If they actually do it. Likely they don't risk it, as it would not only close the US market. All the 5G / Wireless / etc. techexport from all Chinese Companies would be threatened. China thinks long term. It's the US that devolved to always eat the candy now, like a kind.
@@brianliew5901 Uncle Sam has the right to defend itself!!!
@@Dave05J Those who genocides have no whatsoever rights.
Even without national security concern, Short-form videos in general are opium in digital form.
Almost clicked away when you said the video wouldn’t be starting with a dance
I’ve been to China and the irony is that they’ve banned all the western apps and won’t even allow VPNs but get upset when America bans an app which is a security threat😂 another great irony
Ok but I'm reading this comment in China with a VPN.
Zero irony, actually. China never claim to champion free speech. USA, however...
Apples and oranges. China didn't mandate that FB sell its China market to China. US mandates the sale/divestment of the technology.
Furthermore, China dinged US platforms for non-compliance with their laws. NOT because it wanted to steal the technology.
And you're wrong about VPNs, too. Everyone I know in China has one.
Everyone knows China has censorship and China doesn't ever claim to be the leader of free speech.
The USA and the rest of the West, though, does.
So it's ironic when the US wants to ban this and that but still goes around claiming to be the leader of free speech.
Lmao
2 issues with your argument.
1) china did not ban any western apps, they allow them to operate in china so long as they follow Chinese law such as spying on their public. American companies left as they said they didn't want to follow Chinese law.
2) china never said it was a champion of freespeech, freemarket capitalism and liberty, that's the west. the west can easily admit to the world, we don't believe in freespeech, free markets or liberty etc. And ban tiktok. but west doesn't want to admit that. as they use their good guy image as PR to make china and russia and iran the bogeyman. how does it look to the world, seeing usa behave like china, russia, north Korea 😂😂😂
US: “china is a dictatorship the government censors our apps!”
US when a chinese app starts to control the market: “fuck you get censored”
fair play?
Yes but USA should stop criticising China for doing exactly what USA is doing.
usa has always been a sh2th9le
@@elmohead China is a totalitarian Orwellian dictatorship. I trust them significantly less than the US government.
@@elmohead China doesn't use tiktok so why should we?
6:36 Care to elaborate on the "Bizarre circle"theory of politics? Seems like way too interesting of a topic to leave in a throwaway line.
As far as I can tell, it is a talking point for far right violent terrorists to say the other side is just as bad.
I won't be surprised if the original shorts platform VINE comes back due to all these shenanigans. Vines sounds better anyways IMO : P
TikTok and Temu should’ve never been allowed to be used in this country. I would personally ban any products from China, Russia and Iran indefinitely.
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Temu are selective scammers, they won't last too long, or they shouldn't anyways. IDK, people are stupid and they get 10x stupid with low prices and a spinning wheel of deals.
Temu ?
@@Adam-wg2rfit's like Ali Express, but somehow more sh*t
@@Adam-wg2rf yes, look it up. They are spying on you too. Temu is a Chinese based app as well.
Either my data goes to NSA, or the CCP. I don't see how that makes much of a difference.
Find out where you'd rather live first.
The US, or China.
Then maybe you should educate yourself on the differences between the two.
@@dallysinghson5569black or white fallacy. Should we be spied on by a foreign government that can directly harm us through influencing dissenting opinions, and hacking infrastructure? Or would you rather be spied on by a domestic government that can directly harm us by trampling on our rights, and feeding us propaganda? It doesn’t have to be this way. If you ask me, it shouldn’t be this way.
Chances are the US isn’t going to target you unless you do something high profile enough to warrant it.
The Chinese will literally hunt you don’t for any reason.
I don’t even care about user data… and the people that focus on that are idiots.
Tik-Tok is the world’s most dangerous cyberweapon.
Being able to make some fake ass account, post 60 second long “content” that is nothing but misinformation and then have the algorithm send that video far and wide, thereby spreading misinformation on a scale never before seen in the internet age.
@dallysinghson5569 I'd rather live in the US because it treats its populace better than China.
But the thing is, I don't. And US foreign policy is a lot worse than China's. Even historically when China was a powerhouse, their preferred method of subjugation has been vassalization and tributary formation. All things considered, I'd rather my nation be subjugated by the Chinese than the Americans.
And that is IF. They'll have to go through us to conquer our land. And we don't plan on making it easy. Meanwhile, CCP gets my data.
8:02. Wait, if no-one above 40 uses TikTok then the stress of being President really has done a number on poor Joe
Fun fact: something very similar happened in Ukraine with the russian VK facebook clone
We live in a TV show
Correction; Reality TV-Show.
Nah, even Hollywood's current crap-grade writers wouldn't have the general populace be this stupid. Truth is dumber than fiction.
in just one second this video already has mistakes. TikTok is not banned in china. TikTok is douyin in China.
They're not the same.
I'm surprisingly early tonight! Tuesday just tripped over an hour go. Cheers from GC Australia sir.
At the risk of sounding stupid.... Was the "no one under 40 uses Facebook" remark satirical? 🤣🤣🤣
Half truth.
Facebook is pretty much the “old person” social media app. There are definitely people under 40 that use it, like my sister who is 25… but it won’t really get flooded with new users if Tik-Tok does get banned.
Instagram shows more younger aged people on it and it’s also the same owners as Facebook so the author failed to mention that point
as a non-american, this also awfully sounds like "only Americans are allowed to spy on users", given how they single out Tiktok and let all other platforms continue as usual
Tik tok is the only one that is subject to government manipulation via the CCP. All other ones are private entities, vulnerable yes, but ultimately it has already been proven that the CCP has harassed dissidents via TikTok.
Maybe, but it’s a good starting point 😂
If a govt employee is on instagram they might get some targeted ads. If they're on TikTok, they might get DDOSed
Another non-American here, it seems to me that those advocates against their own government spying on then can flip the script and use this ban as a basis for the curbing of their own government's surveillance. I hope some legal genius can pull something off to make Facebook and some other social media giants in stopping the same nonsense TikTok is rightly accused of.
Do u understand the bill at all? China is an enemy! We can't allow them to collect information on our people!!
Just ban the thing, it’s useless