Luthier Tips du Jour Mailbag 30 - Shellac and sawdust pore fill

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  • Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
  • Luthier and Instructor, Robert O'Brien, answers a question about how to use shellac and sawdust as a pore filler. ‍obrienguitars.com
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Комментарии • 97

  • @Ibaneddie76
    @Ibaneddie76 6 лет назад +8

    THIS IS BY FAR THE BEST METHOD FOR PORE FILLING, THE SHELLAC ALSO HARDENS THE GRAIN AS WELL AS FILLING IT. YOU DON'T GET THAT WITH OTHER FILLERS. GREAT VIDEO.

  • @emptyeff
    @emptyeff 11 месяцев назад

    Excellent tip. I’ve been building my first dreadnought and have been thinking if this would work, lo and behold once again someone’s already done it

    • @OBrienGuitars
      @OBrienGuitars  11 месяцев назад +1

      Great minds think alike! Happy Finishing!

  • @miguelxorruno6196
    @miguelxorruno6196 6 лет назад +1

    I tried it and indeed this way is much better than filling pores with pumice.AMAZING!

  • @rogerbarrett5439
    @rogerbarrett5439 3 года назад +1

    thank you Robert for this video, i used this method on my ukulele it worked fabulous

  • @lucianobonavino5295
    @lucianobonavino5295 5 лет назад +1

    Well done Master. Very useful information and better explanation.

  • @Myopicvisions
    @Myopicvisions 3 года назад

    I just discovered French polishing and I have been putting off buying pumice powder. I'm definitely going to try this method first!

  • @aze216
    @aze216 9 лет назад

    Another great tip! You've saved me several times - most notably fixing the crack in a top of a guitar I dropped. I was kind of stumped in how to fill an area on the heel and this was the perfect answer just at the right time. Thanks for all your generous sharing of knowledge.

    • @OBrienGuitars
      @OBrienGuitars  9 лет назад

      You are quite welcome. Glad you are finding my videos useful, Happy Building!

  • @podluthier5451
    @podluthier5451 8 лет назад

    I just tried this method on a banjo I am building (hard maple neck, mahogany rim, Sapele headstock veneer and fretboard), and the results were quite pleasing! I had a 2 lb. cut on-hand and decided to try it, against your advice... as long as you move quickly, there isn't much tackiness. I also like that I can use sandpaper on the neck immediately after rubbing in shellac to create a slurry of dust that sets without having to add more shellac. Thanks for your great video!

  • @kokeskokeskokes
    @kokeskokeskokes 6 лет назад +1

    Thank you, very useful indeed. I've just tried it. Three things:
    - it worked for me
    - compared to epoxy it is incredibly fast, even compared to superglue
    - i need to substitute acetone for alcohol for polishing, my present mixture dries instantly on me

    • @OBrienGuitars
      @OBrienGuitars  6 лет назад

      Glad you enjoyed the video. Thanks for watching.

  • @madgeniusmusic
    @madgeniusmusic 9 лет назад +1

    Great video as always, thanks Robbie.

  • @5000loto
    @5000loto 9 лет назад

    I’m about to finish up a 0012 Fret in old growth walnut. The last one I filled with CA glue. Worked well but was a pain. I’ve tried shellac and pumice but couldn’t generate enough wood/color. I’ll give this a try. The walnut is VERY porous. Thanks for the tip.

  • @rouxlaki
    @rouxlaki 12 дней назад

    Hi , what is the ratio of shellac and alcohol that you use here please? Nice method I want to try it with sealing alder wood. Thank you!!!

  • @JoseEduardo-vb6ko
    @JoseEduardo-vb6ko 8 лет назад

    Obrigado por responder. Admiro muito seu trabalho.
    Vou procurar os vídeos no seu canal.

  • @wdcustomguitars5336
    @wdcustomguitars5336 3 года назад

    Doing this for the 5 time right now

  • @natanborges5983
    @natanborges5983 6 лет назад +1

    Tenho Grande alegria em ver suas vídeoaulas

  • @mvecellio1
    @mvecellio1 9 лет назад

    Great tip. Thanks Rob.

  • @walterrider9600
    @walterrider9600 8 лет назад +1

    thank you great idea

  • @LefterisKalantonis
    @LefterisKalantonis 7 лет назад

    Hello Robert! That's one great method for pore filling. How stable is it? Have you seen any shrinkage of the material in the pores over time?

  • @RNicolasRuvalcaba
    @RNicolasRuvalcaba 3 года назад

    I'm planning on using Mohawk Modified Tung oil on a maple electric guitar neck. I've heard good things about the

  • @ecaff9515
    @ecaff9515 6 лет назад

    Great video
    Thanks for sharing

  • @stephenbrown2922
    @stephenbrown2922 7 лет назад

    Thanks, just what Ineeded to know.

  • @samhunt3201
    @samhunt3201 3 года назад

    Great video 😊 thank you

    • @OBrienGuitars
      @OBrienGuitars  3 года назад

      Glad you liked it. Thanks for watching.

  • @reijerlincoln
    @reijerlincoln 9 лет назад

    Excellent!

  • @jim9637
    @jim9637 5 лет назад +1

    Thanks for the video Robert. I have 2 questions: Have you used this method on the body, and could you also use sanding sealer instead of shellac?

    • @OBrienGuitars
      @OBrienGuitars  5 лет назад +1

      I have used this on the body. It works well. If you use sanding sealer I would dilute it considerably. Also the beauty of using shellac as the binding agent is that it is compatible with most topcoats. I can't say that about sanding sealer.

  • @sapelesteve
    @sapelesteve 7 лет назад

    Great tip as always! I will assume that this technique can be used for the back/sides of the guitar as well prior to doing a French Polishing using Shellac? Thanks again, Steve

  • @StonefieldMusic
    @StonefieldMusic 9 лет назад

    Very cool tip. I'm wondering, strictly from a scientific point of view, do you know why the end grain dust colour matches better than dust off the sides of the board?

    • @OBrienGuitars
      @OBrienGuitars  9 лет назад +1

      AKDsLB1 Its not that the end grain matches better than the top and side grain but rather that the end grain is very fine dust.

  • @lawcch
    @lawcch 5 лет назад

    how do you repair dented soundboard or cover up a hole on the soundboard or back or side of the guitar? I never see any video on RUclips which luthier can paste up a hole in the soundboard.

  • @haroldrull4943
    @haroldrull4943 5 лет назад

    Can you actually use an older shellac that has been in closet for a year? If so would you add any alcohol to make it usable? Thanks , you have a lot of helpful videos on musical instruments.

    • @OBrienGuitars
      @OBrienGuitars  5 лет назад

      As long as the flakes dissolve completely in alcohol and the solution dries when putting on a surface then it will work.

  • @yowech
    @yowech 9 лет назад +2

    HI Robert! Wonder does this method apply the same with oil finish?

    • @OBrienGuitars
      @OBrienGuitars  9 лет назад +2

      Yes, It can go under an oil finish if that is what you are asking.

  • @micdunsmore3553
    @micdunsmore3553 5 лет назад

    Robert, would you use this method or any other to fill a sitka spruce top before applying a water based lacquer?

    • @OBrienGuitars
      @OBrienGuitars  5 лет назад

      Sitka is a non porous wood so no filling needed.

  • @td4yd154
    @td4yd154 3 года назад

    Does this work with glitter? (Serious question)

  • @JoseEduardo-vb6ko
    @JoseEduardo-vb6ko 8 лет назад +1

    Oi Robert! Que tal colocar legendas em português, nos seus vídeos, para seus amigos aqui do Brasil? Grande abraço!

    • @OBrienGuitars
      @OBrienGuitars  8 лет назад

      +Jose Eduardo de Oliveira Jr Oliveira Meus videos originais do Tips du jour tem legendas em portuguese. Mas meus videos Tips du jour mailbag não tem. Da muito trabalho!

    • @alex.username
      @alex.username 8 лет назад

      +OBrienGuitars Just out of curiosity, you don't seem to be brazilian. What about you knowing portuguese?

    • @OBrienGuitars
      @OBrienGuitars  8 лет назад +1

      +Alex Souza uai xente! Morei no Brasil bicinho.

    • @dudusantos6468
      @dudusantos6468 8 лет назад

      +OBrienGuitars madeira de pinus é boa para fazer braço de violão?

    • @OBrienGuitars
      @OBrienGuitars  8 лет назад

      +Dudu Santos eu não acho que presta para braço de instrumento não.

  • @tacotes16
    @tacotes16 8 лет назад

    what tipe of cedar?

  • @MrJUNNY7777
    @MrJUNNY7777 5 лет назад +1

    Hi!! My Master!
    I want to know if there's a way to keep the natural spruce color of the top without get the yellow kind that it take when it paint it?
    🤗

    • @OBrienGuitars
      @OBrienGuitars  5 лет назад +1

      Yes there is. If you use a lacquer topcoat you tend to get an amber color. If you use a polyurethane topcoats (especially oil based) you will get yellowing over time. The only way I know of to keep the spruce color original is to use a water white product with UV protectors in it.

    • @MrJUNNY7777
      @MrJUNNY7777 5 лет назад

      @@OBrienGuitars Thank you very much for your fast answer Master, I'm trying to make my first clasic guitar and I'm very ignorant in the matter 🤗

    • @OBrienGuitars
      @OBrienGuitars  5 лет назад +1

      You might try using my online classical guitar building course. I am sure you will find it useful. obrienguitars.com/courses/classical

    • @MrJUNNY7777
      @MrJUNNY7777 5 лет назад

      @@OBrienGuitars the shellac is after or before the white water base with uv protector🤔
      Or the white paint only and no shellac?

    • @OBrienGuitars
      @OBrienGuitars  5 лет назад +1

      Water white mean transparent. It doesn't mean the color is white. Most of these type products have their own sealers. I would use them and not shellac as a sealer.

  • @kedocom
    @kedocom 3 года назад

    Can this be applied over stained wood or will it pull up the stain? Could it be used with tinted shellac to tint and pore fill at the same time?

    • @OBrienGuitars
      @OBrienGuitars  3 года назад

      Yes, use a one pound cut of shellac and work dry.

    • @kedocom
      @kedocom 3 года назад

      @@OBrienGuitars Thank-you!

  • @XxIzhtarxX
    @XxIzhtarxX 9 лет назад

    hi Robert, i have a question for you, when you glue up 2 parts of wood for making a guitar electric body {I}, which one is the best place for leave the join in the model of the new body, i mean if you leave the join in the middle, that will affect the join with the neck, but talking about structural design, where do you prefer it

    • @OBrienGuitars
      @OBrienGuitars  9 лет назад

      ***** I prefer it in the middle.

    • @XxIzhtarxX
      @XxIzhtarxX 9 лет назад

      thank you, by the way, what kind of paint do you use for make the glass finish in the guitar body? i usually use epoxy for my woodwork but i guess isnt going to work well in guitars

    • @OBrienGuitars
      @OBrienGuitars  9 лет назад

      ***** I use a variety of finishes including lacquer, urethane or polyester.

  • @rgvarela42
    @rgvarela42 9 лет назад +1

    What is the recipe for one pound shellac? I'm very interested in trying this out. Thanks for posting this video.

    • @OBrienGuitars
      @OBrienGuitars  9 лет назад +1

      rgvarela42 1 pound of flakes to 1 gallon of alcohol but I mix it in the proportion of 1 oz of flakes to 8 oz of alcohol.

  • @dudusantos6468
    @dudusantos6468 8 лет назад

    quero saber se madeira de pinus serve para fazer o braço do violão?

    • @fernandoizelli7598
      @fernandoizelli7598 6 лет назад

      Dudu Santos não é adequada por conta de suas propriedades.
      Se for para usar madeira que consiga comprar em madereiras aqui no Brasil, o mais interessante é usar cedro rosa para o braço.

  • @elkeseaplana
    @elkeseaplana 8 лет назад

    Hi Robert,
    What size of sandpaper grain shall we use for the dust collection process?
    Thanks

    • @OBrienGuitars
      @OBrienGuitars  8 лет назад

      +elkeseaplana 120 is fine but it doesn't really matter since you are sanding the end grain.

    • @elkeseaplana
      @elkeseaplana 8 лет назад

      +OBrienGuitars that makes sense, thanks Robert!

  • @devid7726
    @devid7726 6 лет назад

    Hi Mr Brian. Much greetings for you and great thanks for the wonderful videos you give to us. I did not quite understand the ratio of alcohol and shellac, whether it was 1: 1 or? Thanks in advance for the answer, I am just finishing my first guitar and this is very important for me to know. Thanks.

    • @devid7726
      @devid7726 6 лет назад

      In the meantime, I found the answer to my problems right here: ruclips.net/video/ilXhhLJrpqE/видео.html .. A very nice and useful video. Thank you very much one more time.

  • @nomdeplume8393
    @nomdeplume8393 7 лет назад

    Thanks for this enjoyable video Robert. I'd like to know: is it possible to apply a pure tung oil coat to an unfinished (new) maple guitar neck before using this shellac stage demonstrated here, successfully? Thanks in advance and Regards, Nom

    • @OBrienGuitars
      @OBrienGuitars  7 лет назад

      I suppose it is but my question is why not do it the other way around?

    • @nomdeplume8393
      @nomdeplume8393 7 лет назад

      I'm assuming the shellac would act as a 'sealer' and prevent the oil from penetrating the wood. Do you think that would be unlikely?

    • @OBrienGuitars
      @OBrienGuitars  7 лет назад

      That is probably the case depending on how much shellac you use to seal the wood.

    • @nomdeplume8393
      @nomdeplume8393 7 лет назад

      This is what I thought. Do you think therefore that the shellac would effectively seal in an oil coat/s? Would either way combined be worth pursuing or would you say just opt for either shellac or oil?

    • @OBrienGuitars
      @OBrienGuitars  7 лет назад

      shellac will seal in oil. I am not sure what you want here. Do you want an oil finish or a shellac finish? I do not think it is necessary to do both.

  • @cp_guitars
    @cp_guitars 5 лет назад

    Do you think this would work okay with Minwax fast drying polyurethane (maybe it would need thinned)? I intend to do a test, but wanted to ask in case anyone has already tried.

    • @robertbarker2458
      @robertbarker2458 5 лет назад

      You can use shellac as a pour filler than polyurethane over it as your finish it work really good

  • @piedpiper1000
    @piedpiper1000 9 лет назад

    how to bring dents out of table

    • @OBrienGuitars
      @OBrienGuitars  9 лет назад

      Stuart Bennett Try moisture and or heat.

  • @yrulooknatme
    @yrulooknatme 4 года назад

    do the same thing with pumice?

    • @OBrienGuitars
      @OBrienGuitars  4 года назад

      Using pumice is a different method than what I show here.

  • @tasekraban2710
    @tasekraban2710 4 года назад

    Can i stain after pore filling?

    • @OBrienGuitars
      @OBrienGuitars  4 года назад

      Depending on how much shellac you leave on the surface the stain will not penetrate much. I would do some sample boards to see if you achieve the desired results.

  • @dudusantos6468
    @dudusantos6468 8 лет назад

    pine wood used to make guitar arm?

  • @mickkennedy1344
    @mickkennedy1344 9 лет назад +1

    Have you ever accidentally left that 'salt' shaker on your kitchen table -- then wondered why your steak tastes funny? :)

  • @bones8057
    @bones8057 Год назад

    Great vid thanks. What grit is on your belt sander?

    • @OBrienGuitars
      @OBrienGuitars  Год назад

      120 grit

    • @bones8057
      @bones8057 Год назад

      @@OBrienGuitars Ok thanks. I'm just now trying my first guitar finish with French polish and I will try this technique for the grain fill. Glad I found your vid. Thanks again!