I had a panic attack 10 years ago and experienced depersonalization and derealization. Nothing felt real. It was like I was watching myself act out the event in my life. I felt that way for a long time. I’ve finally came out of it. I did a lot to try to get out of that state of mind. But the one thing that helped is to stop fighting it. I told my self “okay we’re going to take a walk to day and I’m not going to observe the world as much, I’m not going to look at everything and think again “man this just doesn’t feel real” I’m just going to walk and accept it all for what it is. It may not feel like reality but it is my reality and there it is my normal”. I told myself I wasn’t going to give it another thought it wasn’t going to control my mind. If you think something is wrong with you, your gonna Feel like something is wrong with you. You have to get out of your head. My mantra became “live on the outside, not the inside” … anyways watching these videos made me think of that. I know Post Finasteride Syndrome is different from what I had but it sounds like there are a couple similar symptoms. I don’t want to come off as that guy that’s just like “just get over it” because I know how hard it is to get out of that state. My friends would joke and say it sounds like you just need to be slapped in face, its like dude if a slap in the face is all it would take then sign me up right now… some other things I do is take a multivitamin and fish oil everyday. I feel like the fish oil helps with brain fog. Fruit Smoothies with beetroot powder and turmeric. Sauna and cold showers (not all the time though). Exercise. Daily walks. Healthy protein, fruits and veggies. I don’t want to sound like a Joe Rogan podcast or too preachy so I’ll end it here.
thought the same, i had these feelings too due to panic Attacks in my mid 20s.. it always comes back from time to time when i have a lot of stress.. i never took finasteride, i wanted but i will never hearing all these stories.. i still very weird that a drug can cause this...
Thanks Mitch, for sharing it and open yourself! Man, i really with a treatment for this conditon soon. I'm not suffering from it, not even took a pill, but i guess i have to thank you for this information share becuase i would go for finasterida if there is not this content. Thank you and hope you get better soon
Thanks for speaking up mate, I'm in the same neck of the woods and know what you're going through. You're a strong man and I wish you nothing but the best. You're not alone and not to be blamed in the slightest, it's an insecurity so many men have to deal with and this drug is pedaled in a very predatory way. You look well with a shaved head, hopefully the cycle will break for you and you're keeping well.
I've been through all the symptoms you've listed because of another drug. The most painful part is that none can understand how different you feel your very life every minute and they can't understand your hell because it's hard to explain as you said to someone who never experienced it, and also while you try to speak it out your mind is telling you they won't understand anyway. I've done tons of research on these symptoms and i've come to understand that these drugs act as the opposite of an anti depressant. They make depression and anxiety explode in your brain out of nothing with no real reason. I've found my self many times imagining, picturing my suicide like someone was showing the scene to me in my head as i was like "wtf i ain't doing that! I'll never!" Cause i never wanted it, i was always a cheerful guy who never even remotely thought about suicide or ever been depressed. So that's when my self-rescuing began: i started to point out that if that weren't my thoughts, my usual ones, then they weren't part of me. I realized they were just external images, like a demon whispering in my ears. I decided to stop listening. Stop being scared. Shake off every negative thought, trying to convice me that all was good and time alone could only heal those psychogical wounds that medication caused me. Then i moved to the next step and i asked my self am i really going to sit on my hands and wait for this crap to pass off? So i did some more research and found that 30 minutes of exercise a day work better than any anti depressant or anti anxiety you could think of. So i got a rower and worked like a freak on my body, started to care about eating habits and things began to improve a lot. Now i'm not completely out of it, but surely it's going way better. In the end, dear Mitch, work on your self by any means necessary, that's my only advice, keep your spirit and your head up do it for your family for anyone who loves you and believes you are stronger than any whispering demon. Kind regards and my best wishes from italy
I can relate to so much of what you describe, Mitch. Thank you for explaining how awful this condition is! People need to know what by taking finasteride they're risking absolutely everything that gives life meaning and pleasure.
I’m throwing my bottle out today. Been taking for months from 19-20yrs old. Noticed some troubles regarding erection. Brushed it off. Continued taking for few more months. I decided to research some more but now I will stop taking this shit partially thanks to your comment. Thanks for spreading awareness
A urology group out of Boston was looking at 5 alpha reductase and how DHT helps penile health, wellbeing and central nervous system and how it converts other chemicals to neural steroids in the brain. So even partially blocking 5 alpha reductase affects other neural steroids in the brain.
@@danielbryan7619 yeah; I have horrible depressive mood shifts, anxiety attacks, testicular pain, tinnitus, muscle twitches, and joint pain. Just look at other peoples stories on here. That should be enough to tell you this isn’t worth your hair
I hope you will get better, I feel very sorry for you and I promise that you will find love some day! It's really awful seeing so many victims of the pharmaceuticals. You are very brave and have saved many lives with your testimony. Take care and don't give up the hope cause it can get better!
I've got a doctor's appointment tomorrow afternoon at 14:00.... I've just cancelled it, I already have anxiety and depression, I don't need this... Sorry to you Mitch, I have seen a video of a doctor suggesting Testosterone therapy for this condition. Good luck.
Mitch, I will speak from my own personal older experience to you (I'm nearly 54) and ask if you ever had a sleep study done to diagnose yourself for possible sleep apnea. Tachycardia, a form of rapid heart rate that is often associated with a panic attack when your body is given a jolt of adrenaline, is what you're feeling when you wake up in that cold sweat with your heart beating twice or more than a normal resting rate. Sleep apnea is a function of your body not being able to breath while you're sleeping so your brain gives your body a jolt of adrenaline to get it breathing again. Consider getting a sleep study done if you have not already to see if you have sleep apnea that might require you to sleep with a CPAP or BiPAP device. I lost a lot of weight and no longer need my CPAP device. But some people are just predisposed to sleep apnea due to how their throat and nasal passages are formed. I also suffer from a general anxiety disorder that is under control through various means. I have never taken Finasteride though my hair is starting to thin in earnest these days nor do I plan to based on my own personal health concerns and how PFS can amplify my situation should I react as you have. I bless you to have a full and complete recovery from your symptoms and to find success in whatever ways you wish. I also encourage you to meditate, do yoga, listen to relaxing music, change your bed and/or mattress, to get some level of exercise even if it means only walking around your neighborhood a couple of times once a day or several times a week. Challenge yourself to get better each day even if it's just one more step over yesterday's totals. Life should only be a competition between us and ourselves to improve upon what the Good Lord gave us yesterday and today and to make the best of it for tomorrow. Good luck!
Man, i hope you are better, so sorry you had to go through this, i was thinking on taking this drug so your video is very helpful, no way I'm gonna do it. thank you so much.
You should not be ashamed for anything. You wanted a better future for yourself and you tried to carve that out for yourself. You did nothing wrong. I have some of the same symptoms as you do after taking Nutrafol for 8 months, coupled with finasteride for 1 month. It's ironic that in our self-rejection we now have no choice but self-acceptance.
I really hope it gets way better for you. You seem like a really down to Earth great person. I experienced a similar thing a few years ago from getting too deep into meditation. I experienced depersonalisation kinda like I was watching myself. It was absolutely horrible. Obviously wasn't from finasteride but I can relate to the numb feeling and not feeling emotion. Take care
Bro doctors who r recommending this shit not saying "oh by the way, there's a 1% chance it removes your will to live completely and like a 3% chance you're permanently fucked up" is like so horrifying. That's like not much worse than the odds of surviving open heart surgery done by a McDonald's worker.
@@questioneverything8572that's common in these fin and dut users look at Kevin Mann he will certainly convince you that bald people do not deserve to live just like this guy hates bald guys funny thing is they are destroying their own life by doing this.
@@VonKrolok-mf3uc Meaning what? Its caused by neurosteroid deficiency purely by these drugs. Along with emotional numbing like negligble nostalgia or excitement at anything, you also have lowered sense of smell and taste.
@@ashleysilver5594 I just don't see how you can say that it impacts neurosteroids when thats 5a-reductase type 1. Finasteride impacts 5a-reductase type 2 and type 3 - type 1 is only touched by dutasteride
@@adaptful In adulthood, 5α-R1 to 3 is ubiquitously expressed. 5α-R1 and 5α-R2 are also expressed, although to different degrees in liver, genital and nongenital skin, prostate, epididymis, seminal vesicle, testis, ovary, uterus, kidney, exocrine pancreas, and the brain.
@@ashleysilver5594 hi Ashley, i used minoxidil for 2days and got similar side effects like mitch and i see, you. Its 4month since, what do you think whats going on with us?
@@lukasotlar98 I'm not familiar with minoxidil. It's just some alcohol base. Finasteride is a potent steroid blocker at genetic level. 75 percent blockage or more. And effects don't reverse the longer you use it
Good luck, Mitch. I hope you're feeling better. I took the crap for 62 days and have gone cold turkey this week. I had no adverse symptoms and hope I didn't leave it too late......
I feel like these videos saved me. For years I said I wouldn't get on Finasteride because of the sides that people report, but the doctors always try to get into my head. All of them, and I really mean all, preach about how rare any serious side effects are, and that there's a fear mongering community around taking finasteride that people shouldn't fear. These things are happening to enough men to not roll the dice though, and I honestly think the drug should be banned. I'd rather be bald.
@Rigunlung Gonmei Don't be like that bro. These guys are going through a lot. To say that finasteride isn't to blame simply because you're having a good result doesn't mean that everyone else is wrong. You're just one of the more fortunate ones. There's a whole community around this issue, and I infinitely doubt that they're all conspiring together in order to discourage other men from taking this drug just because they want everyone else to be bald. It's great that you're having a good result (so far) but let's not invalidate or put others down.
@Rigunlung Gonmei So you're shaming people from sharing their experiences simply because you don't want them effecting the people that don't get sides? I'm sorry, but even if these guys are in the minority, this information needs to be out in the open. People are owed 100% of this information to make informed decisions, and big pharma doesn't care enough about you, me, or anyone else to put it out there themselves. You're literally saying you'd rather be armed with less information in regards to the drugs that you put into your own body, and it couldn't be more unwise.
@@thebluethunderbunny2324 i dont know about usa but in france doctors are forced to tell you about finasteride side effect... But please dont try to ban a drug just because a minority get side effect... we are talking about less than 1 of 100 person...
I just wish legit testimonies like yours had been available when i decided to take finasteride. I'd have made a different decision. This will save a lot of people.
Also, trust me when I say you are still friggin smart. I noticed in your recent interview. You still have a lot of brains left that others never had. I sometimes compare myself to a wheelchair athetle in the Paralympics. Also, if you want a relationship and family, explore alternative routes. I've read of people that got together not because they were in love but because they wanted to have a family and had similar goals. Quite a few women, from what I've seen, really want to be with partner and don't have high expectations, they just don't want to be alone. I can see you're a great guy (still), so don't shut your mind to these possibilities. All the best man!
PFS is real guys. If I could save you the pain. Don’t take it. I took 12 tablets all up. Started with half a tablet then 2 days then a full & continue. Low sex drive & atrophy, numbness downstairs, loss muscle mass, stomach issues, crazy skin rash, extremely dry loose skin, joint issues, heavy depression/anxiety with suicidal thoughts. Back to square one with these issues & it’s been 4 months since stopping. Crazy reaction started when suddenly took 1 full table 2 days in a row & my stomach felt off like i had food poisoning, then the rash came almost immediately… i think it’s thrown off my gut microbiome as i now have reactions to certain food. From your fellow Aussie..
@@pitbullsami8475 a little bit of improvement. But, not 100% i think it really does effect the the mind and heightens anxiety. Just need to learn to not cave. Definitely causes other dysfunctions How are you?
@@johnpatrck2960 i am 20 and took it for one month during one month there’s no side effects maybe just decreased my morning wood but unfortunatelly i was reading forums too much and i got psycgological ed :D this drugs scared me and i quit, I dealt with it for two weeks. And i manipulated myself that it is psycgological and i am not suffering from finasteride’s side effects and it worked ! I recovered %100 it was all in my head but i am not gonna lie psychology is very hard to beat if i not really believed that it is not psycghological probably i am still suffering from ed. I am %100 normal now maybe finasteride gave me performance anxiety because before finasteride i don’t think too much about my erection quality or is it getting hard or not. Now i have a bit sleep disorders but it is not decreased my energy levels i can only sleep 5-6 hours per day. So, finasteride gave me extra 2 hours per day :D god bless. Just trying to avoid from forums and “horror stories” about finasteride, if you too much reading about it, it may be chronic for you
Not at all. I never read about side effects until they all started to happen from nowhere. Most ppl don’t especially guys are more willing to take the risk. Controlled risk on my part until i started getting side effects. Was living life normally taking half a pill. Up until i took a full pill. I woke up with rashes all over that kept coming and going based on food and temperature. Stomach imbalance and very dry skin.. then psych and suicidal thoughts from no where..
I love you man... many thanks for speaking up. I'm 29 and I just have started to suffer this condition for the last month and a half, and my life has become a daily nightmare... I empathize so much with you... All my life I've been dreaming about having my own family, but the dream is now over... The hardest thing about my experience is that I knew I was 'hormonally' fucked just when I met the woman of my dreams, the girl I was waiting for, for many years. I kissed her in a party and I felt nothing down there, no erections at all. The feeling was awful, because you think about the way your body reacted before, I mean sexually. I used to have my dick hard as rock with no effort, in many situations, and for hours. To lose all of it, from one day to another, it is absolutely heartbreaking. Many hugs for all the men affected down in the comments. My thoughts are with you and of course, with Mitch.
Thank you so much for your statement. I am so sorry that this has happened to you and I hope a treatment will be discovered soon. I have a young family member with post SSRI/SNRI sexual dysfunction (PSSD), which has similar effects and may have a similar underlying mechanism. I am doing what I can to stimulate fund-raising for research, but quite honestly, the manufacturers should take responsibility for what they have done (and are continuing to do) and put some of their fat, greedy profits into fixing the harm that they have caused. I am angry and grieving for everyone affected by PFS and PSSD. How is this poison still being prescribed?
Thanks for speaking up! I have long term damage from only 8 pills of lexapro and it’s was and still Is hell. Hopefully there’s a way to reverse these epigenetic changes.
Wow I was scheduled for 3k grafts transplant and I am SO nervous about finesteride. I work in the medical field (Doctor of Physical therapy). I work in a hospital setting and know how docs will prescribe meds like nothing and see patients pass away and on to the next one. I don't mind the procedure but I will not take oral drugs. I hate drugs and hope I can be off all of them. Good luck and hope you know you possibly saved me from hell.
Its absolutely horrible. Personally I feel like my doctor handed me finasteride like it was paracetamol. The meeting took maybe 10 minutes. I took the drug for almost a year and now 6 months later Im really tired all the time and can hardly motivate myself to do anything. Libido is low too, I don't think about sex nearly as much as I used to do. I knew there were side effects. But supposedly, according to the prescription, once you stopped the drug they would go away. Well personally it was the opposite, most of the bad sides started once I stopped taking the drug. While I was on the drug my libido and motivation was actually quite high, maybe even higher than before. But when I stopped I first had trouble sleeping and now many months later I have to struggle to get up from bed every single day. 6 months fast forward I feel a little better but just a little bit. Libido is still low and I've had watery semen for months. I feel quite weak. I used to like to go to the gym. I dont feel like doing it anymore, I dont feel enjoyment thinking about it.
I think you should hop on and stay on it. Have you thought about it. I had the same thing with fin my motivation and libido was off the charts while on it but off it I am just a zombie and so unmotivated.
I have been on finasteride for 2 years. 1.25 mg daily. Then the ED and loss of libido started. So I went off. Symptoms got away but I developed new syntoms and lose hair so I’m back on finasteride with a smaller dosage 0.25 mg each other day…
Cognitive dissonance. They don't want to believe it because to them the potential benefits are worth the risk. But this isn't a risk. This young man is describing life-crushing stuff. Nothing is worth that.
I know the feeling man... Videos like yours have taken finasteride off the table for me as an option. Already I struggle with emotional flatness / depersonalization / derealization / brain fog, no idea why. Turn to God bro. That might be your only option.
I’m in the same boat preparing to be bald because I know fin would screw me up . I have more than half the side effects he mentions and have never taken it
The worst part about this drug is young men who are not in a good place dealing with the emotional turmoil of balding are vulnerable to do whatever possible to save their hair. The hair companies and pharmaceutical companies are preying on the vulnerable.
Just like SSRI side effects. There’s gonna be a treatment for this stuff, keep your head up bro, don’t get down. You’re not dumb, it’s the sexual dysfunction thats messing with your head. I got a similar horror story but with a different medication 2 years ago, I have a little sex drive but I know you’re not content with just a little and neither am I. I have to take adderall or use nicotine as cringe as it sounds just to perform which is ok, it’s not my fault it’s just the way it is. I’m 22 now but we can make a change, we shouldn’t be ashamed and there’s women out there for you bro, women will understand. Don’t compare yourself, that’s messed up, no regrets brother
PFS in its fullest extent is much worse than persisting sexual dysfunction. For some reason this is by and large the most focused on aspect of it. For me personally, anhedonia, no emotions, and cognitive impairment is far, far worse.
@@TwerkForWork what are you talking about? I work in endocrinology and we have some patients who have PFS. It is an irreversible and incurable condition. I’m not sure what you are talking about but there is no reversing this condition.
My story: Started Fina last year after my FUE hair tranplant. During the first 3 months of Fina treatment I coulnd't sleep for shit. My usual 8 hour sleep nights were shortened to 5 hours on a good day (usually 4.5 hours). I became a walking zombie. I quit fina on the 3rd month. On the 4th and 5th months my sleep increased to 6.5 hours. Now I'm on my 6 month post operation, started sleeping 8 hours again, that poison finasteride took 3 months to get out of my system. It destroys your GABA receptors and Neurosteroids such as pregnenolone , that's why it causes insomnia. Fiuck that poison, do NOT take it.
Same happened to me, i took it one month. The only side effect is sleep disorder i guess, i have still sleep disorders, it’s been 40-45 days without finasteride but it’s getting better, i can sleep 5-6 hours per day but my energy levels still good maybe a bit increase. I have 2 hours more time per day now 😂 fin saved my 2 hours
6 years on propecia. First 2 years of PFS were brutal for me. The obliteration of my cognitive function was insane. Neurological symptoms that look like an autoimmune disease. Unilateral Muscle wasting, libido 30% what it used to be. The invisible suffering is really tough. But would it really make a difference if it was visible? Then you just get pitty. The side effect list is long. My cognition is 80% what it used to be. I’m so grateful to have come this far. I knew the risks when I started taking it. I though about suicide. But never planned it. Knew I wasn’t a quitter and I’d find a way. Give it a decade. If the decade saw no improvement then maybe final solution it. Take psilocybin 1 - 4 grams monthly to help with mood and coping. The stress of coping and inability to process it because of mental incapacitation pushes the trauma deep down. Need to release the trauma, take the psilocybin to release the trauma so it doesn’t overwhelm and make you suicidal. The laundry list is long. It took 12 months to stabilize. 1 year and 6 months to really get back to functioning. I miss my intellect too bro.. tears up when you said that. But I’m still amazed how well I can make things happen here and there. Lifting, healthy diet, meditation, therapy. Try all the therapies. Make a journal/Google form that’s easy to fill out to track what makes your symptom a better/ worse. Your memory isn’t dependable. Make it easy on yourself. Don’t be stubborn. Work with what you got. If your mind isn’t working leverage someone else. Leverage Google suites. Cold plunge, saunas, nutrition, sunlight, red meat. P.S. my symptoms come and go. This is written during the 2 to 4 hours a day where my brain works at 80%. Rest of the day it’s at 60%
Man when you said that you are not close with your mom like you used to. That hit hard. Same with me man.😢 It literally felt like this video was all me. Every sec of it.
@Duncan MacLeod My first 2 years of PFS, I didn't take any psychedelics actually. Psychedelics don't impair cognition, they provide an opportunity to reorganize our behavior and attitudes in a way that supports our core needs.
I tried dutasteride topical form %1 in minoxidil like 2 days a week for a month. Very very small amount.I am normally a very happy person make a lot of money and don't give a shit about anything.I slided in a girl's dm and we had a 10 minutes conversation then i asked her to go out on a date with me.She refused and it's ok it's not the first time i got rejected. But this time i felt terrible. I felt like i broke up with my wife.I couldn't even believe myself like what is going on..Yesterday i saw a seagull crushing under a car and i found myself crying for it like i lost one of my best friend.Then i realised this thing gave me depression and i threw it away.I got sexual sides too but it's nothing compared to mental issues.1 day later and i feel better already.Hope the best for anyone who suffer from these poisons
I took oral minoxidil twice, suffered a serious reaction, and my head has been killing me ever since (chronic migraines every single day of my life). The doctors keep saying it's not from oral minoxidil. They're all full of shit. I also used to wake up at night sweating in bed. It's been 3 months after only taking minoxadil twice, and it's hard for me to focus, I constantly feel hungover, and my migraines are literally an everyday thing. I'm in hell. These doctors poisoned us and won't even acknowledge it's the drug. I'm also a student. It's hard for me to study like this.
We never hear about min. That needs to come to light. This channel should include it, not just fin. None of these are safe. Messing with your hormones isn't safe. I've always wondered how trans people do it. Are they suffering silently?
I felt great despair...was so desperate to find the cause of depression and finally found it was fin...holy f...its a poison to brain body the soul....hope i saved a life reading this...dont even touch it
I've been taking Finasteride for pretty much almost a year now. As of lately I've been developing every symptom you have mentioned Mitch. I'm also on TRT of a 120mgs of Test and don't feel the benefits of it at all. This is do sad for everyperson that has to experience this nightmare of a side effect. I wish you the very best in life Mitch. And I hope that one day you will recover. Have you tried going to HRT to optimize your hormones? Maybe by increasing more testosterone you might increase more DHT which is what finasteride blocks.
Plz donate money monthly to pfs network their research is progresing and follow them for updates. If all pfs patient funds monthly we Will have a cure sooner
Hi Mitch. Your beard is full and healthy, demonstrating high androgenicity. you certainly have regret, like I do from taking it. Don’t let this take over your life. Start to do things that build confidence in yourself. Unleash your inner beast. It’s been caged and needs to escape. Get the support you need and you’ll improve. After I took fin for 4 months, my beard fell out after stopping. It doesn’t grow properly anymore. I regret taking the drug too.
hello guys i am taking finasteride and it is giving me really bad insomnia , as mitch said in this video i wake up in the middle of the night almost every night , and the amount of hour of sleep does not exceed 4 hours but i must say that i had insomnia prior to taking this pill ,however i think that it got worse because of finasteride . luckily i did not experience low libido but what you all think? let me know
I felt like this once in my life taking a pro hormone I thought was safe I got super strong then 4 weeks later had every feeling you describe.I felt like a sexless human no emotion anxiety depression only to find out I shut my endo system down I had the testosterone levels that where undetectable .My doc put me on 200 mg of testosterone Cyponyte weekly and in 2 weeks s started feeling normal I tried restarting my endo system but it never holds so I stay on TRT ,But from I read PFS guys feel worse on TRT and many show normal T levels anyway.I honestly feel the drug companies did not do proper research on crushing the 5 alpha reductese the effects on other Gabba releasing hormones it produces including alpopregenolone . Again my luck to you I went through 1 month feeling the same from a hormone shutdown it was the worst hell ..
On kind of an odd note. This makes me not want listen to science. Because if this makes sense in the science world view than science is wrong. Completely lost faith in our society for not recognizing this.
i wish you the best brother, i am on the same boat, especially this shit drug gave me social anxiety, something that i have never before, i prey 2 god for you. Please brother try PEA palmitoylethanolamide , i read some papers that upregulate steroigenic regulatory protein and this result in production of allopregnenalone and other crucial neurohormones.I can assure you after many years that i recovered from sexual side effects.Only the mental side effects remain with me, i will try palmitoylethanolamide as i suggest to you.
@@RubMySweatyThighs Did you watch my story? I was a completely healthy, active 22-year-old young man before I took this drug for 1 month. Nothing else changed, or has changed, in my life. I've had dozens of extensive blood and other tests since, all of which reveal no other problems with my health. I ate well, slept well, played sport, lifted weights and had a very normal life before I took the drug. As I say in my video, I didn't even know ANY side effects existed, let alone persistent effects. Not sure what "other things" could have been involved here to experience such a sudden and dramatic worsening. If you take the drug and have no problems, great. I'm not saying this affects everyone, because if it did, the drug wouldn't be on the market. I don't care if you take the drug or not, that's your choice. But dismissing these experiences because you take the drug and have no problems is called cognitive dissonance, and it's a massive problem with the acceptance of this condition. To accept that this is a possibility would mean you would have to accept that the possibility exists it could happen to you. I won't get into a back and forth here because it's pointless, but since this is the first comment on my video challenging the legitimacy of my condition, I feel it's important to reply. All the best and take care.
I've tried just about everything there is. Every type of HRT you can imagine, natural therapies, everything. None of it has budged my symptoms one bit.
@@csgecko Well, I certainly did, and to be very frank: This More Plates More Dates guy is very uninformed as far as "PFS" or whatever term we want to use for it is concerned. If he had invested some time talking to PFS patients he would have realised that many people have tried all kinds hormonal balancing treatments after doing bloodwork after bloodwork, but the truth is they don't work, because that's not what the problem is. It's pretty much the first thing that most PFS patients try, because it would make sense that an endocrine disruptor would cause hormonal problems that need to be fixed. The truth is, sadly, quite a bit more complicated. "PFS" is not "simply a dysregulation of hormones" as MPMD boldly states. Most PFS patients will get completely normal hormone blood panels when testing blood serum levels. There is no overblown estrogen or any other hormonal imbalance that MPMD claims or implies is going on. His entire basis for his treatment suggestions have no basis in reality because he did not do his research properly, did not read the available medical studies on the topic, and did not talk to PFS patients about their results. I'm sure the guy has been a bodybuilder all his life and played around with various hormonal supplements more than once but that by no means gives him any sort of superior knowledge about what PFS allegedly is, let alone how it's supposed to be treated. his blog post about PFS is pure homebrew theorymongering front to back. Add in some overconfident statements with some toxic bootcamp sarge attitude lines and you've got a blog post that may sound and feel very convincing but lacks substance in pretty much every aspect of it. He even flatout admits that he based his treatment plan on herbs that one of his buddies is selling in an online shop. I'm sure he didn't go through all this trouble just to sell a few herbs as I think MPMD probably truly believes in what he says, but that's still an obvious conflict of interest. Believe what you want to believe, but as a PFS patient, it puzzles me and frustrates me, why such a person decides to go guru about it, make videos about it, and write a whole blogpost about it when he's making assumptions that he does not double check and are simply factually wrong.
I'm glad for you, Anthony. Clearly you're not someone who has PFS, though, right? Neither am I - however my lack of side-effects on a medication doesn't negate other people having them. For eg. I could say, "I've smoked for years and I feel great tbh!" and what's the value in that? Just something to consider.
Hey Mitch fellow Aussie here. My heart breaks for you. I keep you in my prayers that you would find some comfort in Jesus Christ.
Much love
David
Real respect for speaking up. Thank you for all your never-ending effort for the whole community.
I had a panic attack 10 years ago and experienced depersonalization and derealization. Nothing felt real. It was like I was watching myself act out the event in my life. I felt that way for a long time. I’ve finally came out of it. I did a lot to try to get out of that state of mind. But the one thing that helped is to stop fighting it. I told my self “okay we’re going to take a walk to day and I’m not going to observe the world as much, I’m not going to look at everything and think again “man this just doesn’t feel real” I’m just going to walk and accept it all for what it is. It may not feel like reality but it is my reality and there it is my normal”. I told myself I wasn’t going to give it another thought it wasn’t going to control my mind. If you think something is wrong with you, your gonna Feel like something is wrong with you. You have to get out of your head. My mantra became “live on the outside, not the inside” … anyways watching these videos made me think of that. I know Post Finasteride Syndrome is different from what I had but it sounds like there are a couple similar symptoms. I don’t want to come off as that guy that’s just like “just get over it” because I know how hard it is to get out of that state. My friends would joke and say it sounds like you just need to be slapped in face, its like dude if a slap in the face is all it would take then sign me up right now… some other things I do is take a multivitamin and fish oil everyday. I feel like the fish oil helps with brain fog. Fruit Smoothies with beetroot powder and turmeric. Sauna and cold showers (not all the time though). Exercise. Daily walks. Healthy protein, fruits and veggies. I don’t want to sound like a Joe Rogan podcast or too preachy so I’ll end it here.
Sauna play big role on this, removing toxins is one of the keys to combat this.
@@Vectorman2X I feel like it really helps.
thought the same, i had these feelings too due to panic Attacks in my mid 20s.. it always comes back from time to time when i have a lot of stress.. i never took finasteride, i wanted but i will never hearing all these stories.. i still very weird that a drug can cause this...
You're so strong Mitch. Yours, a PSSD sufferer.
Sorry to hear about all this. I have to say that the fact that you can cry is a huge plus and should indicate that things can continue to improve.
So sorry this happened to you Mitch, fingers crossed there are better days ahead. Props to you for speaking out.
Thanks Mitch, for sharing it and open yourself! Man, i really with a treatment for this conditon soon. I'm not suffering from it, not even took a pill, but i guess i have to thank you for this information share becuase i would go for finasterida if there is not this content. Thank you and hope you get better soon
A brave man !! Hope and pray you come out of it.
Thank you Mitch for sharing your story and bringing awareness on the horrible side effects of this drug.
Thanks for speaking up mate, I'm in the same neck of the woods and know what you're going through. You're a strong man and I wish you nothing but the best. You're not alone and not to be blamed in the slightest, it's an insecurity so many men have to deal with and this drug is pedaled in a very predatory way. You look well with a shaved head, hopefully the cycle will break for you and you're keeping well.
I've been through all the symptoms you've listed because of another drug. The most painful part is that none can understand how different you feel your very life every minute and they can't understand your hell because it's hard to explain as you said to someone who never experienced it, and also while you try to speak it out your mind is telling you they won't understand anyway.
I've done tons of research on these symptoms and i've come to understand that these drugs act as the opposite of an anti depressant. They make depression and anxiety explode in your brain out of nothing with no real reason. I've found my self many times imagining, picturing my suicide like someone was showing the scene to me in my head as i was like "wtf i ain't doing that! I'll never!" Cause i never wanted it, i was always a cheerful guy who never even remotely thought about suicide or ever been depressed. So that's when my self-rescuing began: i started to point out that if that weren't my thoughts, my usual ones, then they weren't part of me. I realized they were just external images, like a demon whispering in my ears. I decided to stop listening. Stop being scared. Shake off every negative thought, trying to convice me that all was good and time alone could only heal those psychogical wounds that medication caused me. Then i moved to the next step and i asked my self am i really going to sit on my hands and wait for this crap to pass off? So i did some more research and found that 30 minutes of exercise a day work better than any anti depressant or anti anxiety you could think of. So i got a rower and worked like a freak on my body, started to care about eating habits and things began to improve a lot. Now i'm not completely out of it, but surely it's going way better.
In the end, dear Mitch, work on your self by any means necessary, that's my only advice, keep your spirit and your head up do it for your family for anyone who loves you and believes you are stronger than any whispering demon.
Kind regards and my best wishes from italy
Which drug you used ?
What was the drug you used bro
Thank you for all your leadership Mitch
You are an inspiration
Thank you for speaking out on this! This video will help lots of people. Stay positive! hope things improve soon!
Mitch you are so selfless and brave for doing all you do for the community. Can't thank you enough!
You are incredibly brave for coming forward with this. Thank you for the work you are doing
I can relate to so much of what you describe, Mitch. Thank you for explaining how awful this condition is! People need to know what by taking finasteride they're risking absolutely everything that gives life meaning and pleasure.
I’m throwing my bottle out today. Been taking for months from 19-20yrs old. Noticed some troubles regarding erection. Brushed it off. Continued taking for few more months. I decided to research some more but now I will stop taking this shit partially thanks to your comment. Thanks for spreading awareness
@@derrick2251Any updates bro?
Thanks for speaking out Mitch. You are not alone. Take good care of yourself.
Good man Mitch. Thank you for sharing your story and sacrificing so much to spread awareness for Post Finasteride Syndrome.
I threw my unused topical fin in the bin after watching this video. Thank you for sharing.
you took the right decision,that comes from a victim of finasteride
Good it's not worth the risk. My sides went away mostly after 6 months but it could have been worse. In that sense I got lucky.
@@HuskersTech lmao the risk is like 2% and mostly just sexual side effects, what are you talking about
@@C4rnee No you haven’t done your research. New studies show it’s between 15%-33%
@@JohnnyWalkerBlack142 can you link the studies please?
A urology group out of Boston was looking at 5 alpha reductase and how DHT helps penile health, wellbeing and central nervous system and how it converts other chemicals to neural steroids in the brain. So even partially blocking 5 alpha reductase affects other neural steroids in the brain.
For what is worth you look great shaved and you stopped me from starting fin. Thanks brother I hope things will improve for you and everybody else
Most people look horrible bald. Good luck finding anyone.
You don’t deserve this. I’m sorry it happened to you. I have pfs too and I relate to you so much. I miss my old brain. I hope one day we solve this
Can you please tell me your symptoms? I recently picked up a prescription for propecia but im not sure i’m gonna take it anymore
@@danielbryan7619 yeah; I have horrible depressive mood shifts, anxiety attacks, testicular pain, tinnitus, muscle twitches, and joint pain. Just look at other peoples stories on here. That should be enough to tell you this isn’t worth your hair
@@Theoillars okay thanks man, i just wish there was a safe treatment for hair loss, its about timeq
@@danielbryan7619 agreed
@@Theoillars have your symptoms improved at all over time?
I hope you will get better, I feel very sorry for you and I promise that you will find love some day! It's really awful seeing so many victims of the pharmaceuticals. You are very brave and have saved many lives with your testimony. Take care and don't give up the hope cause it can get better!
I've got a doctor's appointment tomorrow afternoon at 14:00.... I've just cancelled it, I already have anxiety and depression, I don't need this... Sorry to you Mitch, I have seen a video of a doctor suggesting Testosterone therapy for this condition. Good luck.
it's so interesting to hear you say emotial-blunting.. This is the exact framing I used when I was trying to get a handle on my own symptoms.
Did they resolve bro ??🙏🏼🙏🏼
What about libido and memory?
@@quantumspark343 still shit
Mitch, I will speak from my own personal older experience to you (I'm nearly 54) and ask if you ever had a sleep study done to diagnose yourself for possible sleep apnea. Tachycardia, a form of rapid heart rate that is often associated with a panic attack when your body is given a jolt of adrenaline, is what you're feeling when you wake up in that cold sweat with your heart beating twice or more than a normal resting rate. Sleep apnea is a function of your body not being able to breath while you're sleeping so your brain gives your body a jolt of adrenaline to get it breathing again. Consider getting a sleep study done if you have not already to see if you have sleep apnea that might require you to sleep with a CPAP or BiPAP device. I lost a lot of weight and no longer need my CPAP device. But some people are just predisposed to sleep apnea due to how their throat and nasal passages are formed. I also suffer from a general anxiety disorder that is under control through various means. I have never taken Finasteride though my hair is starting to thin in earnest these days nor do I plan to based on my own personal health concerns and how PFS can amplify my situation should I react as you have. I bless you to have a full and complete recovery from your symptoms and to find success in whatever ways you wish. I also encourage you to meditate, do yoga, listen to relaxing music, change your bed and/or mattress, to get some level of exercise even if it means only walking around your neighborhood a couple of times once a day or several times a week. Challenge yourself to get better each day even if it's just one more step over yesterday's totals. Life should only be a competition between us and ourselves to improve upon what the Good Lord gave us yesterday and today and to make the best of it for tomorrow. Good luck!
Man, i hope you are better, so sorry you had to go through this, i was thinking on taking this drug so your video is very helpful, no way I'm gonna do it. thank you so much.
Thankyou for speaking out and for your courage.
You should not be ashamed for anything. You wanted a better future for yourself and you tried to carve that out for yourself. You did nothing wrong. I have some of the same symptoms as you do after taking Nutrafol for 8 months, coupled with finasteride for 1 month. It's ironic that in our self-rejection we now have no choice but self-acceptance.
Thanks for sharing, Takes courage!
I really hope it gets way better for you. You seem like a really down to Earth great person. I experienced a similar thing a few years ago from getting too deep into meditation. I experienced depersonalisation kinda like I was watching myself. It was absolutely horrible. Obviously wasn't from finasteride but I can relate to the numb feeling and not feeling emotion. Take care
Bro doctors who r recommending this shit not saying "oh by the way, there's a 1% chance it removes your will to live completely and like a 3% chance you're permanently fucked up" is like so horrifying. That's like not much worse than the odds of surviving open heart surgery done by a McDonald's worker.
Meanwhile im blasting dutasteride no problem. Cope you aint got the inner Power i do
@@maalikserebryakovwow you’re so hardcore bro
@@maalikserebryakov Lack of empathy doesn't make you alpha bro, it makes you a anti-social freak that nobody likes.
@@questioneverything8572that's common in these fin and dut users look at Kevin Mann he will certainly convince you that bald people do not deserve to live just like this guy hates bald guys funny thing is they are destroying their own life by doing this.
Much respect to you for speaking out!
I just wanted to thank you for speaking out
I got identical symptoms to you Mitch. Exactly the same. Cognitive shift and emotional numbing
@@VonKrolok-mf3uc Meaning what? Its caused by neurosteroid deficiency purely by these drugs. Along with emotional numbing like negligble nostalgia or excitement at anything, you also have lowered sense of smell and taste.
@@ashleysilver5594 I just don't see how you can say that it impacts neurosteroids when thats 5a-reductase type 1. Finasteride impacts 5a-reductase type 2 and type 3 - type 1 is only touched by dutasteride
@@adaptful In adulthood, 5α-R1 to 3 is ubiquitously expressed. 5α-R1 and 5α-R2 are also expressed, although to different degrees in liver, genital and nongenital skin, prostate, epididymis, seminal vesicle, testis, ovary, uterus, kidney, exocrine pancreas, and the brain.
@@ashleysilver5594 hi Ashley, i used minoxidil for 2days and got similar side effects like mitch and i see, you. Its 4month since, what do you think whats going on with us?
@@lukasotlar98 I'm not familiar with minoxidil. It's just some alcohol base. Finasteride is a potent steroid blocker at genetic level. 75 percent blockage or more. And effects don't reverse the longer you use it
Thanks for everything Mitch
Good luck, Mitch. I hope you're feeling better. I took the crap for 62 days and have gone cold turkey this week. I had no adverse symptoms and hope I didn't leave it too late......
Videos like this make you realize that hair loss is only materialistic issue vs life issue …everyone else has it worse and is going through wose
Respect for having to courage to speak out!
I feel like these videos saved me. For years I said I wouldn't get on Finasteride because of the sides that people report, but the doctors always try to get into my head. All of them, and I really mean all, preach about how rare any serious side effects are, and that there's a fear mongering community around taking finasteride that people shouldn't fear. These things are happening to enough men to not roll the dice though, and I honestly think the drug should be banned. I'd rather be bald.
@@CB-ed8hh I'm sorry about what you've been going through. I saw your video. I'm beyond words with these dangerous drugs could still be on the market.
@Rigunlung Gonmei Don't be like that bro. These guys are going through a lot. To say that finasteride isn't to blame simply because you're having a good result doesn't mean that everyone else is wrong. You're just one of the more fortunate ones. There's a whole community around this issue, and I infinitely doubt that they're all conspiring together in order to discourage other men from taking this drug just because they want everyone else to be bald. It's great that you're having a good result (so far) but let's not invalidate or put others down.
@Rigunlung Gonmei So you're shaming people from sharing their experiences simply because you don't want them effecting the people that don't get sides? I'm sorry, but even if these guys are in the minority, this information needs to be out in the open. People are owed 100% of this information to make informed decisions, and big pharma doesn't care enough about you, me, or anyone else to put it out there themselves. You're literally saying you'd rather be armed with less information in regards to the drugs that you put into your own body, and it couldn't be more unwise.
@@thebluethunderbunny2324 i dont know about usa but in france doctors are forced to tell you about finasteride side effect...
But please dont try to ban a drug just because a minority get side effect... we are talking about less than 1 of 100 person...
@@kabin974 Do you take finasteride?
Thanks for sharing your story.
I admire your courage Mitch!
I just wish legit testimonies like yours had been available when i decided to take finasteride. I'd have made a different decision. This will save a lot of people.
Also, trust me when I say you are still friggin smart. I noticed in your recent interview. You still have a lot of brains left that others never had. I sometimes compare myself to a wheelchair athetle in the Paralympics.
Also, if you want a relationship and family, explore alternative routes. I've read of people that got together not because they were in love but because they wanted to have a family and had similar goals. Quite a few women, from what I've seen, really want to be with partner and don't have high expectations, they just don't want to be alone. I can see you're a great guy (still), so don't shut your mind to these possibilities. All the best man!
PFS is real guys. If I could save you the pain. Don’t take it. I took 12 tablets all up. Started with half a tablet then 2 days then a full & continue. Low sex drive & atrophy, numbness downstairs, loss muscle mass, stomach issues, crazy skin rash, extremely dry loose skin, joint issues, heavy depression/anxiety with suicidal thoughts. Back to square one with these issues & it’s been 4 months since stopping.
Crazy reaction started when suddenly took 1 full table 2 days in a row & my stomach felt off like i had food poisoning, then the rash came almost immediately… i think it’s thrown off my gut microbiome as i now have reactions to certain food.
From your fellow Aussie..
How are you now john ?
@@pitbullsami8475 a little bit of improvement. But, not 100% i think it really does effect the the mind and heightens anxiety. Just need to learn to not cave. Definitely causes other dysfunctions
How are you?
@@johnpatrck2960 i am 20 and took it for one month during one month there’s no side effects maybe just decreased my morning wood but unfortunatelly i was reading forums too much and i got psycgological ed :D this drugs scared me and i quit, I dealt with it for two weeks. And i manipulated myself that it is psycgological and i am not suffering from finasteride’s side effects and it worked ! I recovered %100 it was all in my head but i am not gonna lie psychology is very hard to beat if i not really believed that it is not psycghological probably i am still suffering from ed. I am %100 normal now maybe finasteride gave me performance anxiety because before finasteride i don’t think too much about my erection quality or is it getting hard or not. Now i have a bit sleep disorders but it is not decreased my energy levels i can only sleep 5-6 hours per day. So, finasteride gave me extra 2 hours per day :D god bless. Just trying to avoid from forums and “horror stories” about finasteride, if you too much reading about it, it may be chronic for you
Not at all. I never read about side effects until they all started to happen from nowhere. Most ppl don’t especially guys are more willing to take the risk. Controlled risk on my part until i started getting side effects. Was living life normally taking half a pill. Up until i took a full pill. I woke up with rashes all over that kept coming and going based on food and temperature. Stomach imbalance and very dry skin.. then psych and suicidal thoughts from no where..
@@johnpatrck2960 how’s your sexual function now ?
I love you man... many thanks for speaking up. I'm 29 and I just have started to suffer this condition for the last month and a half, and my life has become a daily nightmare... I empathize so much with you... All my life I've been dreaming about having my own family, but the dream is now over... The hardest thing about my experience is that I knew I was 'hormonally' fucked just when I met the woman of my dreams, the girl I was waiting for, for many years. I kissed her in a party and I felt nothing down there, no erections at all. The feeling was awful, because you think about the way your body reacted before, I mean sexually. I used to have my dick hard as rock with no effort, in many situations, and for hours. To lose all of it, from one day to another, it is absolutely heartbreaking. Many hugs for all the men affected down in the comments. My thoughts are with you and of course, with Mitch.
Plz donate money to pfs network research is progresing and follow their scientifc updates
I'm sorry to hear brother how do you feel now?
Thank you so much for all you do for the community Mitch!!
Thank you so much for your statement. I am so sorry that this has happened to you and I hope a treatment will be discovered soon. I have a young family member with post SSRI/SNRI sexual dysfunction (PSSD), which has similar effects and may have a similar underlying mechanism. I am doing what I can to stimulate fund-raising for research, but quite honestly, the manufacturers should take responsibility for what they have done (and are continuing to do) and put some of their fat, greedy profits into fixing the harm that they have caused. I am angry and grieving for everyone affected by PFS and PSSD. How is this poison still being prescribed?
I agree. But sadly money rules pharmaceutical industry, and even some of the regulatory organisations are infiltrated by pharma lobbying.
It’s very real, and not only Finaisteride but also Accutane can lead to similar permanent side effects.
Thanks for speaking up! I have long term damage from only 8 pills of lexapro and it’s was and still
Is hell. Hopefully there’s a way to reverse these epigenetic changes.
I used lexapro but thankfully did not get any permanent side effects. I just felt more numb than I already do.
Thanks Mitch
You will get better Mitch. I’m praying for you
Thanks for sharing your story Mitch. FDA should ban this drug and people who have got side effects should report them.
FDA is most likely infiltrated by pharma lobbyists, just like they were with oxycontin and covidvaccines too most likely.
Wow I was scheduled for 3k grafts transplant and I am SO nervous about finesteride. I work in the medical field (Doctor of Physical therapy). I work in a hospital setting and know how docs will prescribe meds like nothing and see patients pass away and on to the next one. I don't mind the procedure but I will not take oral drugs. I hate drugs and hope I can be off all of them. Good luck and hope you know you possibly saved me from hell.
I can just concur with everyone; thank you so much for speaking up Mitch and putting a face to this tragically neglected medical condition.
Your not the only one brother I have a anxiety disorder after finasteride and I feel numb to the world a year later
Its absolutely horrible. Personally I feel like my doctor handed me finasteride like it was paracetamol. The meeting took maybe 10 minutes. I took the drug for almost a year and now 6 months later Im really tired all the time and can hardly motivate myself to do anything. Libido is low too, I don't think about sex nearly as much as I used to do.
I knew there were side effects. But supposedly, according to the prescription, once you stopped the drug they would go away. Well personally it was the opposite, most of the bad sides started once I stopped taking the drug. While I was on the drug my libido and motivation was actually quite high, maybe even higher than before. But when I stopped I first had trouble sleeping and now many months later I have to struggle to get up from bed every single day. 6 months fast forward I feel a little better but just a little bit. Libido is still low and I've had watery semen for months. I feel quite weak. I used to like to go to the gym. I dont feel like doing it anymore, I dont feel enjoyment thinking about it.
I think you should hop on and stay on it.
Have you thought about it.
I had the same thing with fin my motivation and libido was off the charts while on it but off it I am just a zombie and so unmotivated.
Too many refuse to believe it's real .
I have been on finasteride for 2 years. 1.25 mg daily. Then the ED and loss of libido started. So I went off. Symptoms got away but I developed new syntoms and lose hair so I’m back on finasteride with a smaller dosage 0.25 mg each other day…
@agnnipsycholo how ya getting on with finasteride now
Cognitive dissonance. They don't want to believe it because to them the potential benefits are worth the risk. But this isn't a risk. This young man is describing life-crushing stuff. Nothing is worth that.
@@Psicologia_Interdisciplinariahow could you possibly get on Finasteride again?
@@MaximilianMusArchive so this 8 months I’ve been fine with finasteride and my hair loss stopped
Thanks Mitch, incredibly brave to speak out.
This man is a real Hero.
Respect
Very strong man
I know the feeling man... Videos like yours have taken finasteride off the table for me as an option. Already I struggle with emotional flatness / depersonalization / derealization / brain fog, no idea why. Turn to God bro. That might be your only option.
I’m in the same boat preparing to be bald because I know fin would screw me up . I have more than half the side effects he mentions and have never taken it
I agree turn to God and live your best life after this life.
You have the best beard i've ever seen on a man no homo. Who needs hair when you have a beard like that!
I was thinking the same !!!
Thanks for sharing Mitch. Do you have any updates on your health?
The worst part about this drug is young men who are not in a good place dealing with the emotional turmoil of balding are vulnerable to do whatever possible to save their hair. The hair companies and pharmaceutical companies are preying on the vulnerable.
Don't ever take it
Just like SSRI side effects. There’s gonna be a treatment for this stuff, keep your head up bro, don’t get down. You’re not dumb, it’s the sexual dysfunction thats messing with your head. I got a similar horror story but with a different medication 2 years ago, I have a little sex drive but I know you’re not content with just a little and neither am I. I have to take adderall or use nicotine as cringe as it sounds just to perform which is ok, it’s not my fault it’s just the way it is. I’m 22 now but we can make a change, we shouldn’t be ashamed and there’s women out there for you bro, women will understand. Don’t compare yourself, that’s messed up, no regrets brother
PFS in its fullest extent is much worse than persisting sexual dysfunction. For some reason this is by and large the most focused on aspect of it. For me personally, anhedonia, no emotions, and cognitive impairment is far, far worse.
Brothers there is a solution to pfs, look at my comment I just made on the video, no one has to suffer anymore
@@TwerkForWork what are you talking about? I work in endocrinology and we have some patients who have PFS. It is an irreversible and incurable condition. I’m not sure what you are talking about but there is no reversing this condition.
@@CarloBenevissi there is my man, go to propicea help and you'll see mannnyy cured cases
@@CarloBenevissiso it's permanent then
This is so sad :( I will never take this pill.
My story: Started Fina last year after my FUE hair tranplant. During the first 3 months of Fina treatment I coulnd't sleep for shit. My usual 8 hour sleep nights were shortened to 5 hours on a good day (usually 4.5 hours). I became a walking zombie. I quit fina on the 3rd month. On the 4th and 5th months my sleep increased to 6.5 hours.
Now I'm on my 6 month post operation, started sleeping 8 hours again, that poison finasteride took 3 months to get out of my system. It destroys your GABA receptors and Neurosteroids such as pregnenolone , that's why it causes insomnia. Fiuck that poison, do NOT take it.
@Варлоден 1mg
@Варлоден Take DHEA 1000mg a day minimum for at least 2 weks. Yes I recovered
Same happened to me, i took it one month. The only side effect is sleep disorder i guess, i have still sleep disorders, it’s been 40-45 days without finasteride but it’s getting better, i can sleep 5-6 hours per day but my energy levels still good maybe a bit increase. I have 2 hours more time per day now 😂 fin saved my 2 hours
@@Michel-Graillier-fanclub where you got that information?
@@Michel-Graillier-fanclub i think this really helps. I have some questions how can i contact you? Please
Thank you for bringing awareness to PFS
Sadly PFS is not that rare...
I’m crying with you
There has to be a fix. For a drug to cause side effects that fast there has to be something to reverse it fast.
God bless ya mate
What’s crazy is everything you said around 2:26 to like 2:56 I suffer from and I’ve never had fin in my life
Wish I never took finasteride. Don’t have a lot of hope of recovering.
What side effects did you have?
6 years on propecia.
First 2 years of PFS were brutal for me. The obliteration of my cognitive function was insane. Neurological symptoms that look like an autoimmune disease.
Unilateral Muscle wasting, libido 30% what it used to be. The invisible suffering is really tough. But would it really make a difference if it was visible? Then you just get pitty. The side effect list is long.
My cognition is 80% what it used to be. I’m so grateful to have come this far.
I knew the risks when I started taking it.
I though about suicide. But never planned it. Knew I wasn’t a quitter and I’d find a way. Give it a decade. If the decade saw no improvement then maybe final solution it.
Take psilocybin 1 - 4 grams monthly to help with mood and coping. The stress of coping and inability to process it because of mental incapacitation pushes the trauma deep down. Need to release the trauma, take the psilocybin to release the trauma so it doesn’t overwhelm and make you suicidal.
The laundry list is long. It took 12 months to stabilize. 1 year and 6 months to really get back to functioning.
I miss my intellect too bro.. tears up when you said that. But I’m still amazed how well I can make things happen here and there.
Lifting, healthy diet, meditation, therapy.
Try all the therapies. Make a journal/Google form that’s easy to fill out to track what makes your symptom a better/ worse. Your memory isn’t dependable. Make it easy on yourself. Don’t be stubborn. Work with what you got. If your mind isn’t working leverage someone else. Leverage Google suites.
Cold plunge, saunas, nutrition, sunlight, red meat.
P.S. my symptoms come and go. This is written during the 2 to 4 hours a day where my brain works at 80%. Rest of the day it’s at 60%
Man when you said that you are not close with your mom like you used to.
That hit hard.
Same with me man.😢
It literally felt like this video was all me.
Every sec of it.
@Duncan MacLeod My first 2 years of PFS, I didn't take any psychedelics actually.
Psychedelics don't impair cognition, they provide an opportunity to reorganize our behavior and attitudes in a way that supports our core needs.
How are you now man
Nice comment man. Glad to hear you are managing. Have you been off work this whole time?
I tried dutasteride topical form %1 in minoxidil like 2 days a week for a month. Very very small amount.I am normally a very happy person make a lot of money and don't give a shit about anything.I slided in a girl's dm and we had a 10 minutes conversation then i asked her to go out on a date with me.She refused and it's ok it's not the first time i got rejected. But this time i felt terrible. I felt like i broke up with my wife.I couldn't even believe myself like what is going on..Yesterday i saw a seagull crushing under a car and i found myself crying for it like i lost one of my best friend.Then i realised this thing gave me depression and i threw it away.I got sexual sides too but it's nothing compared to mental issues.1 day later and i feel better already.Hope the best for anyone who suffer from these poisons
Sorry to hear about your struggles man. Has your anhedonia improved at all over time?
Hey. How are you now?
I took oral minoxidil twice, suffered a serious reaction, and my head has been killing me ever since (chronic migraines every single day of my life). The doctors keep saying it's not from oral minoxidil. They're all full of shit. I also used to wake up at night sweating in bed. It's been 3 months after only taking minoxadil twice, and it's hard for me to focus, I constantly feel hungover, and my migraines are literally an everyday thing. I'm in hell. These doctors poisoned us and won't even acknowledge it's the drug. I'm also a student. It's hard for me to study like this.
We never hear about min. That needs to come to light. This channel should include it, not just fin. None of these are safe. Messing with your hormones isn't safe. I've always wondered how trans people do it. Are they suffering silently?
I felt great despair...was so desperate to find the cause of depression and finally found it was fin...holy f...its a poison to brain body the soul....hope i saved a life reading this...dont even touch it
I've been taking Finasteride for pretty much almost a year now. As of lately I've been developing every symptom you have mentioned Mitch.
I'm also on TRT of a 120mgs of Test and don't feel the benefits of it at all. This is do sad for everyperson that has to experience this nightmare of a side effect.
I wish you the very best in life Mitch. And I hope that one day you will recover.
Have you tried going to HRT to optimize your hormones? Maybe by increasing more testosterone you might increase more DHT which is what finasteride blocks.
Plz donate money monthly to pfs network their research is progresing and follow them for updates. If all pfs patient funds monthly we Will have a cure sooner
Hi Mitch. Your beard is full and healthy, demonstrating high androgenicity. you certainly have regret, like I do from taking it. Don’t let this take over your life. Start to do things that build confidence in yourself. Unleash your inner beast. It’s been caged and needs to escape. Get the support you need and you’ll improve. After I took fin for 4 months, my beard fell out after stopping. It doesn’t grow properly anymore. I regret taking the drug too.
Could you grow a beard before the use?
@@kazman_6899 yes a full beard able to grow for many months to any length
hello guys i am taking finasteride and it is giving me really bad insomnia , as mitch said in this video i wake up in the middle of the night almost every night , and the amount of hour of sleep does not exceed 4 hours but i must say that i had insomnia prior to taking this pill ,however i think that it got worse because of finasteride . luckily i did not experience low libido but what you all think? let me know
How is going now?
I've all these symptoms too
Thanks for your videos I started finasteride 2 months ago and have experienced watery semen ever since. I won’t be taking finasteride any longer
How is going now?
I felt like this once in my life taking a pro hormone I thought was safe I got super strong then 4 weeks later had every feeling you describe.I felt like a sexless human no emotion anxiety depression only to find out I shut my endo system down I had the testosterone levels that where undetectable .My doc put me on 200 mg of testosterone Cyponyte weekly and in 2 weeks s started feeling normal I tried restarting my endo system but it never holds so I stay on TRT ,But from I read PFS guys feel worse on TRT and many show normal T levels anyway.I honestly feel the drug companies did not do proper research on crushing the 5 alpha reductese the effects on other Gabba releasing hormones it produces including alpopregenolone . Again my luck to you I went through 1 month feeling the same from a hormone shutdown it was the worst hell ..
On kind of an odd note. This makes me not want listen to science. Because if this makes sense in the science world view than science is wrong. Completely lost faith in our society for not recognizing this.
Yo bro, this is though
i wish you the best brother, i am on the same boat, especially this shit drug gave me social anxiety, something that i have never before, i prey 2 god for you. Please brother try PEA palmitoylethanolamide , i read some papers that upregulate steroigenic regulatory protein and this result in production of allopregnenalone and other crucial neurohormones.I can assure you after many years that i recovered from sexual side effects.Only the mental side effects remain with me, i will try palmitoylethanolamide as i suggest to you.
Plz donate mony to pfs network it wil help us all
How many years to recover sexual side effect ?
Hope you are doing better by now. Did you take 1mg or 5mg. I heard from doc that 1mg 3 days a week has no side effects
1 mg or 5 mg ?
Are you being serious? What does it matter how much you consume is poison anyway
@@eib2821 THATS BS I feel its other thing being blamed for it
@@RubMySweatyThighs Did you watch my story? I was a completely healthy, active 22-year-old young man before I took this drug for 1 month. Nothing else changed, or has changed, in my life. I've had dozens of extensive blood and other tests since, all of which reveal no other problems with my health.
I ate well, slept well, played sport, lifted weights and had a very normal life before I took the drug. As I say in my video, I didn't even know ANY side effects existed, let alone persistent effects.
Not sure what "other things" could have been involved here to experience such a sudden and dramatic worsening.
If you take the drug and have no problems, great. I'm not saying this affects everyone, because if it did, the drug wouldn't be on the market. I don't care if you take the drug or not, that's your choice. But dismissing these experiences because you take the drug and have no problems is called cognitive dissonance, and it's a massive problem with the acceptance of this condition. To accept that this is a possibility would mean you would have to accept that the possibility exists it could happen to you.
I won't get into a back and forth here because it's pointless, but since this is the first comment on my video challenging the legitimacy of my condition, I feel it's important to reply.
All the best and take care.
@@mitchsabine4248 how are you doing now mitch? ive heard that it stays in the skin for a few months- a year. feeling better?
@@MrSkilzzy If you watched my video you'll hear that I've been living with this for 7 years. No, I am not feeling better.
Has this man watched any videos by More Plates More Dates on reversing his PFS? Have any of these men tried Testosterone Replacement Therapy?
I've tried just about everything there is. Every type of HRT you can imagine, natural therapies, everything. None of it has budged my symptoms one bit.
@@mitchsabine4248 have you watched videos by more plates more dates on this topic though?
@@csgecko Well, I certainly did, and to be very frank: This More Plates More Dates guy is very uninformed as far as "PFS" or whatever term we want to use for it is concerned. If he had invested some time talking to PFS patients he would have realised that many people have tried all kinds hormonal balancing treatments after doing bloodwork after bloodwork, but the truth is they don't work, because that's not what the problem is. It's pretty much the first thing that most PFS patients try, because it would make sense that an endocrine disruptor would cause hormonal problems that need to be fixed. The truth is, sadly, quite a bit more complicated.
"PFS" is not "simply a dysregulation of hormones" as MPMD boldly states. Most PFS patients will get completely normal hormone blood panels when testing blood serum levels. There is no overblown estrogen or any other hormonal imbalance that MPMD claims or implies is going on. His entire basis for his treatment suggestions have no basis in reality because he did not do his research properly, did not read the available medical studies on the topic, and did not talk to PFS patients about their results. I'm sure the guy has been a bodybuilder all his life and played around with various hormonal supplements more than once but that by no means gives him any sort of superior knowledge about what PFS allegedly is, let alone how it's supposed to be treated. his blog post about PFS is pure homebrew theorymongering front to back. Add in some overconfident statements with some toxic bootcamp sarge attitude lines and you've got a blog post that may sound and feel very convincing but lacks substance in pretty much every aspect of it.
He even flatout admits that he based his treatment plan on herbs that one of his buddies is selling in an online shop. I'm sure he didn't go through all this trouble just to sell a few herbs as I think MPMD probably truly believes in what he says, but that's still an obvious conflict of interest.
Believe what you want to believe, but as a PFS patient, it puzzles me and frustrates me, why such a person decides to go guru about it, make videos about it, and write a whole blogpost about it when he's making assumptions that he does not double check and are simply factually wrong.
You would do well to ignore that channel completely, but particularly where PFS is concerned. That individual is completely clueless on this topic.
Holy fuck.
Yea I’ll stick to my hair oils and leave in conditioners 😂
I hope your donating money and try to collect fund for pfs network
Been on finasteride for 2 years and the only side effect I've had was watery semen for the first 3 weeks. Feel great tbh
I'm glad for you, Anthony. Clearly you're not someone who has PFS, though, right? Neither am I - however my lack of side-effects on a medication doesn't negate other people having them. For eg. I could say, "I've smoked for years and I feel great tbh!" and what's the value in that? Just something to consider.
@@Lionforaday how am I negating anyone's experience by giving mine?
@@anthony9013 Be careful, I took it for 7 years before it hit me.
@@yusuke1910 Yeah it is. It will catch you sooner or later.
Just remember post finasteride syndrome is after you stop taking the drug. You won't know how bad it is till you stop taking the drug. Good luck.
Lmfaoooo
girlfriends with s ;)
Thank you for speaking out and sharing your story