Is The Apostle John Still Alive? | InspiringPhilosophy
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He's alive in heaven I guess
I mean you right tho
That's why we can ask him for Intercession and to pray for us. ✝️ 🇻🇦 ❤🔥 🗝️
@@olekcholewa8171 or we can freely just pray to God directly like jesus instructs us
@@barnabassamuel6638why can't you guys get that intercession of the saint is asking them to pray for us as we ask our friends to pray for us!
Like why do you guys keep acting like Catholic and Orthodox are using saints as mediators!
@@barnabassamuel6638why do Protestants automatically assume that people who ask for intercession don’t also pray directly to God?
I swear Protestants just don’t understand Christians.
We've never seen John and IP in the same room at the same time
@@mstw-music Wild! 😂😂
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Michael "Jones" 🤔 Is he Vengeance?
@@CrossWarrior7ForTheLordYou mean Michael Badalino from Ghost Rider whose nickname is Vengeance?
@@el_killorcure Nay, I mean InspiringPhilosophy
Of course he's alive... with Christ in glory!
if they use that background music, get prepared for the biggest nonsense you ever heard
@@rostxslav Pretty much 😂
All that's missing is an AI voice at the beginning saying "5 secrets of the Bible most people don't know..."
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@@definitelynotboromir💯
This dude unknowingly explained the error of Protestantism within the 32 seconds.😂
"...or maybe you want it to be true and are looking for things to confirm it"
💯🤣🎯BINGO!!!
Plot twist: IP is John and he is making this video so people don’t catch on
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@@InspiringPhilosophy nice try john.
@@InspiringPhilosophy ADMIT IT!!!!
@@InspiringPhilosophywe caught you
@@InspiringPhilosophyCaught you 😂😂
It’s possible that John lived until around 100 AD, making him around 90 years old. That was old for the ancient world, but not a supernatural miracle like living two thousand years would be.
Theoretically he could have lived until 117 at the age of around 107... which is less likely. But all we have about his death is was it was in "the reign of Trajan".
If you make it past 18 in first century Pax Romana, you have a good chance of reaching 60s-70s. Admittingly, reaching 90 is far less common in Pax Romana than today.
@@martytu20 People have this false believe that people dropped dead at 30 until around 100 years ago. Life expectancy was low in the past because of the child mortality rate, combined with the fact that many women died in childbirth. If a man made it into adulthood, however, he had a good chance of living into his 60s or 70s. 80s and 90s were less common, but not unheard of. Most of my ancestors died in their mid to late 80s. Romans thought that the maximum lifespan for a human was 110 years because they had never seen anyone live beyond that age.
@@batman5224 Indeed, I do early medieval outreach and education and I'm constantly having to hammer that precise point
@@professorhaystacks6606100 AD is the accepted date of his death
Lutheran Satire had a a good video about this since according to Mormon teachings John is still alive.
I was looking for this post as soon as I saw the videos title
The HAT don't lie. It also doesn't tell the truth. It is the nutter looking into the hat that is the liar.
Which Lutheran Satire vid is that one?
Donall and Conall Meet the Mormon Missionaries
The dude read a verse that refutes himself and read past it 😂😂😂
It didn’t really refute it though. Clearly the implication in the video was that John would still die, but only after Jesus returned.
@DVN5381 yes exactly my point. Where are we disagreeing?
@DVN5381 oh I see what you're saying. Yeah no I was referring to John 21:23 which refutes the guy saying John is still alive. It clarifies Jesus words. So, how is this proof that John is still alive exactly?
@@DVN5381 you gotta be kidding me
Nothing refuting there.
This idea comes up from time to time.
And it is a huge idea.
Which doesnt make it true.
And also it shouldnt be taught as true...but for mature believers, this concept is worth pondering because it is less about John and more about the greatnessof God.
Again, just because it is interesting doesnt make it true.
I swear - i wish i had the opportunity to sit in a cigar smoke filled library with every person spinning their brandy with CS Lewis,or, Charles Spurgeon, etc..... and discuss possibilities and wonders.
Subscribe to IP, but some of what he tears down is merely only using the referenses of other scholars - nothing mentioned of illumunated passages or a verse that tickles his imagination. (I suspect. It is to keep his body of work clear of anything used to in debates)
But all authentic christians have moments where they experience illumination.
Some verse or truth that they feel God spoke or is showing them. These experiences solidify confidence in Scripture, and other believers who hear it use Scripture to validate if that Individual's experience aligns with God's signature.
Dismissing possibilities without any study makes a person ignorant.
This John the Beloved idea makes some of historical "long-liver" legends more fascinating too.
Traditionally eschatology graphs point that the OT recorded that Enoch was taken. Elijah was taken.
And some people think the Two Witnesses are them.
Mind you, this idea is already crazy crazy impossible (God miracle only territory)
But as IP shared The idea that John the Baptist was the Elijah who was to come. (John the Baptist's clothes and diet hint to him being exactly like Elijah)
Jesus prefaced it w "if you can handle it"
John the Baptist was the only non-divine baby filled w the Holy Spirit pre birth.
Jesus called John theBaptist the greatest born of women.
No recorded miracles, and a ministry of bathing sins away off an obscure Isaiah reference.
What if.
If John the Baptist .. was Elijah as the only person reincarnated?
He was then beheaded.not qualified to be one of the two witnesses.
The lack of a record of Apostle John's death and the context
Make him a candidate for being a witness.
More than incredible.whether St John stayed on earth or was taken up- What is it to you ? God can do whatever He wants.
Bust out the cigars and brandy!!!
Go read Zechariah 2, then Revelation 11.
Did two prophets hundreds of years apart time travel into the same future time and see each other???
All the saints in heaven are in a way more alive than us.
When I was younger, I always used to think that verse was alluding to John being the one to see the end in Revelation.
Can you tell Michael Jones to make a video on Melchizedek because there some Christian believe he is the Christ incarnate and God himself too
That’s CORRECT !
John is the only one who has already been to the white throne judgement AND BEYOND!!!
He always says “I SAW”, unlike us who are reading
That's way more valid (and more scriptural) than the belief that somehow John is walking around today.
We can ask the father to show us whatever he is willing to share with us. The prophethood of all believers often either goes unnoticed or is abused, yet it already is a reality in the last days. I am often wary of talking about it with most people except my brother who both appreciates this kind of conversation and loves God’s close communion with us simple mere mortal humans.
(with the same background music)
I saw John earlier as i was walking on the atlantic sea. He was making his way over with Elijah to be the witnesses and told me that all the TikTok guys are right about them 🤯
😂😂😂 Elijah and Enoch are the witnesses.
He is alive!
In heaven
Well if john is alive muslims and unitarians are so doomed.
How so, or is this one of those vague assertions with assumed definitions and beliefs of unitarians and muslims?
@@mattd398lol
@@mattd398 Because Saint John will say: "Yeah Jesus is God, lmao." Or smt like that
@@komnennos
So you know St. John's future words, and this somehow dooms unitarian and muslims?
@@mattd398 “So you know St. John’s future words, and this somehow dooms Unitarians and Muslims?” Yes. Because we have his past words, and they also doom Unitarians and Muslims.
I love Chris Jesus 💙 ❤❤
I’m so happy you made this 🙏🏽
All the Christians that throw this away as a possibility and think it's nonsense, silly, and impossible, did you all suddenly forget you serve the God of the impossible?
If God wants someone to be alive till the end of time, who are you to say He can't do that? He's taken that veil covering your eyes, quit trying to put it back on. Stop putting Him in your box of can and can'ts.
It think the most important part is the "well, if he does, what's it to you" because say he did die, well, what changes in our belief or whatever. And say (since my dad believes it) with God's sense of humor, he has serectly been keeping him alive in hiding for some reason, "well, if he does, what's it to you" because say he didn't die, well what changes in our belief or whatever?
The Church Fathers are basically unanimous that the two witnesses are Enoch and Elijah, who were taken up to Heaven until the Eschaton, NOT the Apostle John.
Well they are wrong, it's pretty clear when reading the book of revelation that there are 2 Johns. One who wrote it down and one who will witness the actual events of revelations fulfilment.
@@Taurion4467💀
@dumbnumb162 I don't understand?
Alive in heaven 🎉
Next thing you know they’re going to try to tie the apostle John “still being alive” to him being a reincarnation of Thoth.
Or a descendant of the Anunaki.
I might be wrong but what if by John staying alive until Jesus comes back Jesus meant that John is going to stay alive until John was in the land of Patmos and he appeared to him giving him the revelation
Make sense. Which would be different than "The coming of the Son of Man" in full glory at the end. Jesus is coming back to John before he dies.
@@daniellazo888 Yeah exactly that’s why Jesus said he’ll stay alive
Seems reasonable enough
@@NoghaStar he meant until the second coming
The legend of "The wandering jew" and Jhon's Ascension to heaven in body in soul after his death's one would have been nice here to explain how this idea evolved.
Love the ending in this one
Good stuff, IP!
It is as you say, there is no secret. John is alive and well, clearly wearing the mark of the Lord, fully awakened to his purpose, John is busy in the Lords service perfecting his own work so that what was penned so long ago is updated and entirely in harmony with the Lords Will. "Come Jesus Come" should be on the lips of every believer.
As soon as I saw that guy wearing one of those “shields of strength” necklaces I already knew
This is why it is so important to have the church centered around the doctrine of the bible. You can give the same bible to a hundred and they all can come up with a hundred different ways to interpret biblical scripture.
I've learned from Donnel and Connel from Lutheran Satire of Joseph Smith's mountainous continuity error where he believes John is still alive but he is not an apostle at the mormon church.
Chris Rosebrough, Daniel Long and Steven Kozar would have lots of fun with this one........
John is still alive.
The Bible is everything you want it to be. This is why Jesus founded the Church but didn't write a book.
thank you IP for existing, we don't understand a lot of what is written in the Bible and we have a lot of questions, we need reasonable people to protect us from our own delusions or the delusions of others that are not malicious, only we are not learned like you IP
Love that "Imagination" 😅
Im a Christian,a and I know I shouldnt insult the guy because he misunderstood the story, but I am trying yo hold my mouth shut to avoid saying an insult. Pls help me
Yo IP, I’m a big fan of your channel. Since there is the 2022 Nobel Prize that proved that reality is not locally real, could you make a “Quantum Physics Debunks Materialism (v3)” with these new research findings.
Thank you so much for responding IP!
Interesting that this video pops up on the same day I was having this exact discussion with a few people on this subject.🤔
Hey ip i was wondering if you could make a video on biblical prophecy to further defend the faith. Thanks.
Exactly!, as jesus said some will stand here who will not taste death until they see him come back, The guy just refuted himself by reading revelation, John saw the coming of jesus THROUGH the vision of revelation or are we just gonna deny that?
I can't imaging he'd be completely silent on every other Christian controversy ever.
I read a good christian fiction series that had this as a part of the plot, but like i said it was fiction and the writer only used it as part of the plot.
The series is called the immortal files and has two books in the series, the 13th Tribe and the Judgement Stone if anyone is interested.
So the postmil interpretation of this would be this: when Jesus says " Untill I come again " He was not talking about the ultimate second coming but about him coming in judgement on jews (destruction of second temple). Same goes for Luke 9:27
John's gospel focus on the divinity of Jesus. No way he was going to take away His glory by making it about his supposed immortality.
I would love your take on full preterism, which I'm having come into my feed all the time now, that prophecy is done and there is nothing left for us
Acts 1:11 disproves the Full Preterist view of the final resurrection although Matthew 27 is a type and shadow of it.
I believe partial Preterism makes more sense that full Preterism because the resurrection hasn’t happened yet and neither is there peace nor is new Jerusalem on earth.
@@followerofyeshua9210 Not true, Full preterism is consistent with the Bible. I would suggest you look into it and compare the teachings of full preterist to the Bible and see for yourself if they are more consistent with God's word. By the John did live until after the second coming. I hope you will give a fair examination of full preterism. God Bless
@@ChristCenteredEschatology You gave no scripture as justification your heresy is apparent.
@@ExclamationPeriodQuestionMark If the marriage has happened then the resurrection has happened. Jesus said the gathering, which is the resurrection would be in the lifetime of the generation living in His day (Matthew 24:34). He also said the harvest, which is the resurrection would be at the end of the age he was speaking in (Matthew 13). The wedding is also the time of the resurrection and wedding took place when mystery Babylon was destroyed. Mystery Babylon was Old Covenant Jerusalem (Rev. 19, Matt. 21 -220 Galatians 4). Daniel said the resurrection would be when the power of the holy people was shattered.
Two things 1.) I wish IP would bring both Preterist and Pre-Millennial responses into play so his total response applies to the whole audience instead of half the audience. 2.) This guy may have set the record for longest "short response" IP has ever given. Props to him because he at least bothered bringing up scripture and references even if he butchered it. He's at lightyears ahead of "the demons told me" guy. 😂
I love it 😅
Love the ending :)
common man! Let him dream!
Stick to lifting heavy things, pal.
he's alive in Christ
I always liked the idea that the two witnesses (assuming they're physical people) would be Elijah and Enoch, as they never died but were basically ascended.
Why not Hulk Hogan and Dana White?
I had a Bible teacher that told us Lazarus was still alive because “it’s appointed unto man on earth to die, and then the grave.” And that Lazarus is who Dracula is based off of.
According to legend, Lazarus is still alive, along with every other person in the Bible who was raised from the dead. They now roam the earth, spreading the Gospel.
I heard this claim before, based on 'some of you will not taste death until..' but then there was Transfiguration, Resurrection, Pentecost, start of the Church (body of Christ), Jesus ascension into the clouds with angels. Also in the Lords Prayer 'thy kingdom come' is right along with 'thy will be done' on earth as in heaven..
The Two Witnesses are Enoch and Elijah. The former an expert in dealing with the Nephilim and Fallen Angel incursions and the latter an expert in dealing with Baal/Molech worshippers, paganism and Occultic Orders, both of which will recur in the End Times. They have been reserved for this specific time.
Incorrect the book of revelation is clear there is 2 Johns.
One who wrote the prophecy of the vision and one who will witness the actual fulfilment of revelations time.
They are not Enoch or Elijah.
@@Taurion4467 I was talking about the Two Witnesses, not John. so I am not sure as to the point of your comment.
@davidwilliamdanielthomas9305 The two witnesses are not those people you mentioned.
One witness will be the one who comes in the position of John, and also the one who overcomes, he is one of those witnesses, as to the second one it is unknown until we see these events happen.
Those are only your thoughts, and you should be careful according to revelation 22:18-19.
Don't play games with your salvation. Wait for the reality of revelation to show itself.
@@Taurion4467 Hi, you have to be careful about your wording because in Revelation "the one who overcomes" is attributed to the Anti Christ. The reason why Elijah and Enoch are broadly cited as the best candidates for the Two Witnesses is that, uniquely, neither of them have died! They were both bodily transported to heaven without dying and remain there to this day, waiting. They will appear, preach unstoppably for 42 months then be overcome "see) by the Anti Christ and killed. their bodies will lie in the streets of Jerusalem for three days while crowds cheer, at which point they will be resurrected and transported to heaven, an event that causes much dismay. Frankly, it is offensive for you to say this is "playing games with salvation". Where in the Bible does it say that we as believers are to be mindless and unquestioning? “It is the glory of God to conceal things, but the glory of kings is to search it out.” - Proverbs 25:2
Bro turned into Dan Mcllenn ik the end with the "Nah I'm good"
IP was doing these long before Dan started copying IP.
@@davidjanbaz7728 ok
That sounds like a pretty cool fan fiction tbh
I think there's an actual comic book series about John still being alive, and him and a bunch of superheroes are fighting the antichrist. Can't remember the name of the comic books.
Actually tough
I don’t know if anyone ever read this sci-fi book series called the Christ Clone Trilogy, but that was where I first encountered this theory. It was a fun read for sure (John first appears to be an immortal psychic with superpowers), but definitely belongs in fiction.
i recall someone saying the saints are more alive than us
found when researching, “why do catholics pray to saints”, divine intercession and asking for their prayers, rather than literally praying TO THEM. the prayers of holy ones are held with high regard so like, your nice holy neighborhood priest may have more weight with his prayers than a non religious person just tossing up a prayer.
Hey IP can you do a video on the abomination of desolation
John wrote Revelation and was spared martyrdom because he came to see Jesus at the cross and no one else did except for The Virgin Mary.
Great video. Just one thing I'd like point out - not all of the accounts of the deaths of the apostles rest on later traditions. Acts relates the execution of James in Jerusalem. Eusebius, as you mentioned, relates John's death in Ephesus. And there is good evidence that Peter and Paul died martyrs in Rome, as tradition states. I just finished reading "The Fisherman's Tomb" by John O'Neill, which mounts a pretty convincing case that the bones found in the necropolis under the Vatican are indeed those of Peter, which would seem to confirm that tradition.
Hey IP, do you have any videos on catholic indulgences by chance? I'd love to see your take on them!
That would be good, followed by Protestant obsession with "sola scriptura" despite not having any biblical basis...
@@el_killorcure It does have a Biblical basis - 1 Corinthians 4:6 (NCB) - Brethren, I have applied all this to Apollos and myself for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, “Do not go beyond what has been written.” None of you should become inflated with pride against anyone else.
@@Axel-zc6xj Ithe "Read More" does not expand your quote.
What about 2 Thessalonians 2:15 ? That explicitly teaches to hold on to oral traditions as welll...
@@el_killorcure "Ithe 'read more' does not expand your quote"? What? English please.
Edit: Ah I understand what you mean now. That is an issue with the app. Gotta update it or reinstall it.
As for 2 Thessalonians 2:15, those traditions are ones brought in writings or in the teachings of Jesus, not unbiblical manmade traditions.
There is another person who goes against manmade traditions. He says, in Mark 7:8 - You thrust aside the commandment of God in order to preserve the traditions of men.
I wonder who that person is and if you'll reject his teachings just to keep your indulgences.
@@Axel-zc6xj Wish I could read your full reply, stupid yt app won't expand your comment, inpossible to chat lile this at depth...
This sounds like a movie in the making, with the plot line that St John is in fact still alive but he has been traveling the world in disguise and every so often leaves town so folks don’t discover he’s immortal.
Jesus Returned, in The Glory of The Father, in AD70.
Wow! This guy ‘discovered’ the TRUTH! Powerful stuff. I am ready to chuck my Bible and just listen to this genius….
Jesus was saying focus on me. Questions like these are distractions.
1:57 Aww... I opened RUclips intending to search for that... And now we're here. Look what you've done, you mscred my boy.
He is, in heaven as all saints in presence of living God, but not in Earthly imortal sence, but he lived longer then rest of apostoles
And therein lies the dangers of over-literalism when applied to biblical texts.
Our brother said in 4:20 - 4:26 "the day of the Lord refers to the Messiah coming to establish his kingdom which he did at his resurrect", but I find it hard to see how it correlates with Amos 5: 18-20.
Please dear Brethrens, can anyone explain it to me?
Thank you!🙏🏾
And John just kept himself hidden because... Reasons. 🤦🏻♂️
Jesus lives! ♥️ and is God 🙏🏻 Christ ✝️ and King 👑
Hippolytus says he is the third witness. John is alive.
Please refute Rumzi
Of course the apostle John is alive. He's with the Lord in Heaven.
I am sure we would know about a 2000 year old man, who spreads the word.
There would likely be strong evidence he was well over 100 years old with photos.
Honestly if all the apostles were alive today.. now one would question the faith
Jesus was the king of irony and sass, he basically said "why do you care homie? I can keep my boy John alive until judgment day and that's none of your business"
And in essence that was the moral of the story, yet everyone makes it be "Guys, John is still alive!" Or "Nah, he can't be alive" nobody realises that the point, is the point doesn't matter, he could be or couldn't be, it doesn't matter.
They are all still alive John 11:25-26
I mean technically he is still alive in heaven
Is this a re upload?
Me an intellectual: yes, I've seen Dogma.
I would put this in the realm of possible, if God wanted to keep John alive on earth until the second coming, He could do it. I do not put it in the realm of probable, it's way beyond very unlikely.
Okay but what about kayn.
Could be still be around?
Yeah, but the flood? Wasn't Cain and Able before the flood with Noah? So given the fact that only Noah and Noah's wife, and Noah's son and their wives and his daughter's and their husbands....or something like that went on the Ark, I would say he if he lived long enough died from the flood, since "every thing living or creeping on the earth died"
It is possible that John is still alive on earth that rumor has been going around for a long time. But it's obvious that if he is we aren't supposed to really know it or do anything different right now.
…But, but scholarly consensus is that John died.
I agree John is not on earth anymore but Mr Jones refers to scholars alot more that the church fathers
That's a wild take.
I really like Jesus and a lot of his teachings make a lot of sense, but there are things that are difficult to believe in the Bible. For example the Exodus. 2 million less Wandering in the signal desert for 40 years would leave a lot of archaeological evidence, but it didn't.
Hyperbole is common in the Bible, as it was common in many ancient writings. There weren't two million residents in all of Egypt at the time of Moses, let alone two million Hebrews leaving the country.
"And you should have listened to yourself" 😭😭🤣🤣
I didn’t realize so many ancient people are still alive because we don’t have record of them dying😂
Of course, what/who else do you think is in Area 52?
Bro have you done a video on the original Hebrew text being Hebrew? Gordon N
In all fairness it’s a pretty metal concept
So it begs the question, "Where are you now, John, and what have you been doing for the last 1,994 years?"🤔
I'm sorry bro, but it's true for you too when "you started looking for things to confirm" the theory of local flood.
But with many of your other videos and this video I agree.
And this, folks, is why there's so much eye-rolling and face-palming going on.🙄
If people want to understand the typology of the “two witnesses”, they need to carefully investigate the Book of Zechariah, and the respective roles inhabited by Zerubbabel and Joshua.
*NO
Church fathers and Bible got you covered
Read the old writings of various early Christian churches. This didn't come of nowhere.
There is a guy on RUclips who claims he was John in a past life and reincarnated. He claims multiple mediums and such have identified him as John. He doesn’t seem like a bad guy, I feel kinda bad for him if he really believes it and doesn’t see how absurd it is to make such a claim. At worst, it’s a grift, and I feel bad for the people who fall for it and pay him money.
I'll be honest. The traditional story of the end of John's life is super weird.
The fact this video had to be 6 minutes makes me want to join the Amish and forget about this world
"Nah I'm good."
Real.