The "New" Modern Format - Magic The Gathering Foundations Turns Standard Into A Non-Rotating Format?
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- Опубликовано: 1 июл 2024
- WOTC is looking to capitalize on the constructed players need for non-rotating formats and they're doing so with a compromise that is Magic The Gathering Foundations
Let's talk about how if implemented well, this could actually be the best thing that happens to Constructed magic?
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It's weird to say, but Pioneer is the new Modern. Standard is now Pioneer and dare I say it, but it definitely feels like Modern has, in a way, become Standard.
It may not be every set, but every summer with the new direct to Modern products, Modern rotates.
Good take
I agree pioneer feels like modern before the horizons sets and i enjoy it even tho the power level is lower
Pioneer is the new Modern. Modern is slowly becoming the new Legacy.
@@Jacob-km4yb Pioneer is missing key cheap interaction pieces required to feel like modern, such as Chalice, PTE, Remand, etc
How much we wanna bet "Foundations" becomes the name of the new format that replaces Standard? Lmao
Does this not just feel like a core set being brought back without it taking up a set slot every year? Feels like a good idea overall as Core Sets used to set the tone for the format's power level quite well.
They also free up card slots in non core sets that were bring used to print pushed versions of old cards. We can just keep Day of Judgement around instead of power creeping it every few sets.
Modern is the ship of Theseus. It has been entirely replaced.
This is a step in the right direction for better ways for new players to get into standard.
I’m a casual commander player.
Modern and legacy are too expensive, and Standard rotating out makes me hesitant to construct a deck.
I play Limited occasionally but that’s it for 1v1.
I’m genuinely considering making a Foundations-centric deck for Standard now.
I think going forward pioneer with become the new modern and modern will be a what it is. A strong competitive format that rotates with MH products.
@@matthewblackwood9653 play pauper baby!
@@djkatsuo standard Is the absolute worst format. Play commander the way God intended
@@MisterJ355 commander is meh. I prefer 1v1 modern or pioneer
Foundations might just be wizards realizing that mono green needs a 1 cost mana dork at all times 😂
Green needs to get the "Blue for the last 10 years" treatment, where they give all the other colors access to what it does well and better in a lot of cases, while gimping all the color's instants/sorceries.
This is hearthstone classic.
Should be pretty solid
Anyone else remember Extended Format? Anyone else remember when Modern was supposed to fix the problems Extended Format had? Anyone else remember Core Sets, and the purpose they served by maintaining a common set of cards through Standard? I remember times before WotC kept on creating their own problems with short term solutions.
I’m most interested in having a product that is easy to teach new players with. Starter Kits are decent for a couple games, but a whole set designed to get newer players in sounds much more interesting. If this remains the “core set” for five years too, one can hope that the price for packs stays fairly low, making it good for teaching limited.
Foundations sounds really dope. Recently got back into Modern through MH3 and its honestly their own world similar to legacy. 90% of top decks utilize cards from MH sets or print to modern sets (disregarding mana base), at least for standard foundations you expect a shift of cards for your existing deck and not an entirely new meta like modern is going through.
11:18 I believe you’re referring to persist and undying?
also it's not called wither, that's creatures deal dmg in form of -1/-1, I think he means persist :)
This might end up as a base for my cube.
I got an idea for a new modern format. Mountains only. Unlimited amounts of Lightning Bolts
The "at least until 2029" isn't "this set rotates out in 2029", it's "We can't see the future, and we don't know how it will go over, we *want* this to be a set of standard staples that are always in print and available to players in standard, but the future is uncertain."
It isn't a new format, it's a Core Set 2.0. Rather than printing a different core set every year, it's one set, the same set, that is in print as a constant list of cards players will always have available to them in standard.
I feel like there's gonna be maybe 5 to 10 cards actually relevant to standard in this set.
I think even more. Maybe we get a lightning bolt into Standard again.
I really enjoyed Magic arena for a while. Once my War of the spark cards were no longer playable I never touched arena again.
I don’t really understand how this will do what Wizards wants. A bunch of this gets cracked, than it’s either going to be so powered that it warps the format for 5 years and makes the other new sets not as important, or it will just sit on shelf’s and maybe a new player buys it but honestly it will still be better for newbys to buy singles.
I see Foundations as a way to get Old Format players back into Standard than the other way around.
As hamfisted as the last few modern sets have been, I'm genuinely interested in foundations as an enfranchised player. Standard actually hard rotating every two years means we won't have moments like lotr and nadu forcing everyone to rotate in what feels like seconds. Do i wish theyd just call it a new format? Yes. Do i think it would succeed if they did? No.
So now modern rotates and standard doesn't. Thanks Wizards
Everyone is forgetting about depopulate. 4 mana wrath legal in standard right now.
Interesting that rotational Modern is a success elsewhere. In my experience it is the opposite. My LGS used to have Modern-FNMs with 30-40 people all the time, now there is like 5 people playing Modern and the FNM-format has switched to Legacy, which has steadily risen in popularity.
I have asked for eternal core set science 2017 or 2018. There was a moment when stamdard was without Negate. And I just get annoyed that limited and set design disturb color identity and remove iconic cards by not adding them or adding them every single set.
Honestly I hate it. For me having cards being legal more time in standard is a bad thing, it centralizes deck construction and pushes new cards out of the format, like why would I play Bramble familiar or llanowar loamspeaker if I can just play llanowar elves? Just like Sheoldred pushed almost all black 4-drops out of the format and there is a lot of people tired of her already but even worst because Sheoldred's rotation was pushed 1 year, foundations is gonna be legal 5 years plus. I predict a lot of people will become tired of seeing the same cards after the 2nd year I know that at least I'll be.
What you said regarding the Nine-Lives Familiar somewhat makes me think you don't fully understand what you're talking about. The ability is called persist, not wither, and persist isn't a bother to track-dice exist. I suspect Nine-Lives Familiar will be no problem as well.
Standard player and enjoyer here. This idea is not new for Magic: Arena players, because the Bo1 Standard pre-Alchemy had non-rotating cards, some of them are powerful others are bread and butter. They broke with this with Alchemy, but they still legal allways there.
This is not a change to Standard Non-rotating, but more than a way to make Standard a better first entrance, as this anouncement and the explanations with they begun. The 3 standard rotation cycle is on since... I think the last 2 or 3 sets too.
About the 4cost Wrath, right now in Standar there are 2, but with a problem. One of them makes the player with multicolor creatures draw a card, while the other makes the player with most creatures Investigate. The first is going to rotate this month. But one of those without downside is a huge difference.
They said during the panel that the new Planeswalkers are classic, classic as never seen before and new characters. I am sure by the revealed cards (enchantments referencing Eldraine and Jace, Theros, the cat being clearly from Innistrad) and the things explained, that will cover many planes, and potentially moments of the Magic's continuity.
The problem I have with Foundations is that they're inevitably going to print some very powerful cards (as evidenced by the return of 4 mana unconditional boardwipes in Standard) that will stay Standard legal for 5 years.
Just imagine they print something like Farewell or Sheoldred in Foundations and they stay standard legal for FIVE MORE YEARS 💀
rotating sets alone have stopped me from playing anything but casual formats
Knowing that something used to be better doesn't make you a boomer
Wither is the keyword that give opponents creatures base on combat damage.
You talking about persist which when a creature die it will come back from the graveyard with a -1/-1 counter
Undying same, but with a +1/+1 counter famous with Yawgmoth combo
I'm looking forward to drafting a core set again
I feel Day of Judgement in for 5 years is a poor plan unless they are not going to print many white board wipes for the next few years.
You’re telling me you don’t like my Boros Grenades deck?
The wincon is frustration!
I think that's exactly the point - every set is taken up by a bunch of "we need to have some variation of this effect in standard for balance reasons" filler. We don't need a new slightly different version of Day of Judgement every year when Day of Judgement can just always be legal.
@matthewblackwood9653 I like your deck Matt
That’s hopefully the plan. Instead of printing new pushed versions of Day of Judgement every other set those slots can be used for more interesting card design in the non core sets. Suddenly power creep has a way to be kept in more check again.
My train of thought with this product is a way for them to have the core of the standard decks outside of the standard sets. That way the "standard sets" can have more wierd/powerfull cards for commander or other formats and Will sell better and probably requiere "less" playtesting for them. With foundations i'm, every set can "feel" like an horizons set in power lvl without trully taking away from the core of standard. What i think Will end up happening is that the more sets are printed into standard less cards from foundations Will be played in it; out of sheer powercreep in the sets. It might be a little pesimistic and i like the sentinent and hope You have. But i have seen the Game trying to print money to much lately.
As long as the rare cycle of lands is good, it should be fine, like the 10 checklands should be great to have evergreen in standard.
Besides that, it will need some EXTREME thought and curation to make sure Standard's long term health
A rotating eternal format seems like an oxymoron. What cards are rotating out of Modern?
Depends what you mean by rotating out. Sure, mechanically there's a difference between a card no longer being legal versus being power crept out of the meta, but your wallet can't tell the difference.
@Dynme I do feel it's disingenuous to call power creep a rotation. I came to MTG from Yu-Gi-Oh where power creep left decks in the dust, but they are still all playable. Favourite decks get major upgrades with a single card, but the meta you have to spend $1000+ to keep up.
So they are bringing back the core sets??
What I want is a format that rotates evetlry 10 years. But always has some core deck archetypes like Merfolk elves humans. Aristocrats and reanamator.
Sounds like they should have just kept yearly core sets imo
Interesting how Modern is becoming a rotation set and Standard is becoming more rotation proof. Starting to look like Pioneer is the sweet spot WotC is aiming towards
The new anthem is cool.
But I got my intreset peaked by the card 'a tale for the ages' from wilds of eldraine. It goes good with kenrith's transformation and trickster's Elk. And I play at least three petroglyphs.
I'm excited for timeless and it just might get me playing more than pauper, draft, and a little bit of arena!
Wonder what planeswalkers they choose but I would love to cast Torch of Defiance again for sure!
Why couldnt they just take better care of their non rotating formats instead of making standard into the same thing? The appeal of standard for me was lower power level, cheap budget decks were viable so can build qiuet a lot of decks and the cards that you eventually get sick of will leave to the eternal formats. But since they killed the eternal formats viability of using cards from standard they have set everything into a deadspin of power creeping and bad coping changes.
Standard needs more rotation, not less. 2 years was the right block of time. Worked for 20+ years, it only suffered becaise they started toying with it instead of being patient. I get non rotating helps arena engagement. But if they made a redemption program for rotated cards standard plays would like rotation just fine
I really hope the Planeswalkers are some of the more powerful planeswalkers. Jace, the Mind Sculptor; Chandra, Torch of Defiance; Maybe Garruk Wildspeaker for Green; Liliana of the Veil for Black, and heck, bring back Ajani Goldmane or Ajani, Caller of the Pride for white. Maybe Elspeth of some sort? I dunno, but I'm super excited for this, even more so if JTMS is standard legal. Give me my Jace back!
Personally, I'm excited. I'm wondering if they'll reprint shocks again, too? I think standard suffers from weak manabases (also, it would make my amalia deck a lot cheaper in time for the next rcq)
I do not believe that the "at least" means anything other than "some of the cards in foundations will be reprinted in future sets"
Pretty sure persist is the elusive keywork you were looking for.
Foundations should be a great product. There is a lot of standard staples they shouldnt have to force to be in a normal set. As long as they dont push it too much with cards like omniscience
Initial thoughts early in video: So this is just the Editions but longer (before M10, core sets were 2 years apart, not 1, and ONLY reprints)
Okay so not JUST reprints but still have a core set that remains for longer than most things rotate would be nice.
This is a very confusing set design. At first, it feels like the old Core Sets (and before they talked about new cards being in it, I thought they were going back to the old school old school core sets), where it's basically the staples of Standard. But then they start talking about drafting with it, which was never a thing that Wizards really seemed to think was worth hyping with the Core Sets, even if they were technically draftable.
But how is this going to rotate? Are they going to keep printing this set until 2029, and then it's just going to stop being a thing? Is there going to be a Foundations 2 released in 2029? Either way, does that make buying a Foundations pack a silly thing to do as a Standard player in 2028?
And we already have a record number of Standard-legal cards right now. Is this just going to bloat that number even more? Part of me wonders if this was originally part of a plan to shift all the expansion sets to Aftermath size and have this supplement the Standard environment as basically all the commons. And if so, are they still going forward with that?
Pretty sure you mean Persist, not Wither (and the opposite is Undying)
I wonder if foundation is arena alchemy or standard, both ? If it's only alchemy set I will pass the turn on the set.
So it’s the core set from HS, sure I guess. The problem isn’t fixed tho, buying into a rotating format just feels bad
It would have been great if they could have figured out core sets were really important back before they stopped making them.
With fundations and the 3 years rotation, WOTC wants to make Standard in a 5 years format..
I think if you bring Out a Foundation Set you also Need to Sell it as long as it is Legal in Standart Not like bring it Out now and then Never to be Seen again… so really everyone can get Into the Set/Standart… and i Hope it will be implementet like that but i don‘t habe much hope that Wizards does something Right again…
I'm unsure. I don't play standard. The people I know that do are unhappy with a 3 year rotation and want more rotation. But more rotation is terrible for onboarding new players, especially at the current cost of standard. 300 dollar decks that expire quick.
So maybe this will make standard better for new players?
It's just wotc giving up on paper magic.
There is no way they will keep this set in print for that long and this staying 5+ years in standard will make standard obnoxiously expensive in paper.
This is meant for Arena to finally replace paper magic.
In 5 years, the only paper magic left will be commander.
As a Jund player we just adapt to the meta, the meta at the moment is pretty easy for us.
I will say saying magic is a rotating formate feels like some dumb ass shit tbh, wizards just wants money because hasbro is failing and smacking wizards to make more.
Just ordered some amped raptors for jund, only wish Lurrus was legal
@@mtgbrewery7239 Your Lurrus is Six, I haven't been playing with Amp, Six and NGoyf been pretty great.
I want lighting bolt back in standard in this set... Only because I don't want to use a rare wildcard for timeless, don't really think it's a good idea for the wellbeing of standard itself.
Bolt should've been in mh3 as at least an uncommon for arena
@@michaelcollins4534 The best moment to print lighting bolt for arena was mh3, the second best moment is right now as a common not inside any set, but they will never do that
@thatmillguy are you Canadian?
Yes I am :)
@@ThatMillGuyShaf The Polievre trending kinda gave it up :D
Do you mean Modular?
if implemented properly...IF...
Wither vs. Undying
I'm fine with WOTC taking a totally different direction with Standard and Pioneer because I find both of them currently unplayable.
Having a now very literal Core Set isn’t a terrible idea. But for what we’re having coming up is just eroding even more of my hope. The game has no identity, we’re becoming Fortinite where we have a story but people don’t care about it and as such it’s low effort and in the background. They cater every product to Commander because they know people will just buy it, and a lot of those cards could possibly be changed just so they can make them more compatible with Arena’s spaghetti code so the card could be made worse in either direction cause of that. Seeing the Nyx stuff on Enchantments makes it look a lot less special, Omniscience and Llanowar Elves and another board wipe for Standard to deal with just doesn’t sound fun. Standard is now worse to deal with, but that’s just because Standard is now getting Commander grade cards printed directly into it, and they’re trying to make Standard stuff for everyone and not just standard. It’s turned Standard into what Modern felt like, and now Modern feels like what High Level Commander used to feel like. Formats are speeding up because they’re stepping up the power far too often. Modern had random breakout new stuff from Standard and that worked, not everything good in Modern was good in Standard, but that’s what was cool about it. Now it’s all about buying the most expensive cards that they push the power level for. Am I the only one who feels like they’re catering to one single audience, and ignoring the rest of us? They haven’t even tried to support Local Game Stores. The Baldur’s Gate draft was the last one I can think of and it was the first one I’d seen in a long time. All the older formats don’t matter if you don’t have a place to play, and you can’t get everything physically depending on your WPN store level and all. I’d hate to hear about more stores closing while WOTC keeps chugging along, making more stuff hoping the Line goes up.
I honestly feel like WotC is no different from EA, Blizzard, etc when it comes to just finding ways to turn players into payers without regard for if the game is actually good or fun for the majority. It's being littered with "microtransactions" in the form of play boosters, set boosters, draft boosters, collector's boosters, secret lairs (which are literally just cosmetic skins for cards that already exist). All I see are loot boxes in my eyes for a game that's already extremely expensive to get into for the casual gamer. They can market their products as an easy way for players to enter into specific formats easier or just to get into magic at all, but it's always just a money grab and I don't trust companies like this anymore. To top it off, they completely cater to Commander in every single product they release, whether it's marketed for Modern or Standard which only serves to further this invasive species to the game that's all but killing off every format that used to exist. Which is all a big reason why I love Pauper so much. No format can come close to the accessibility for entry that also has game play more dependent on skill rather than slamming the new hot busted mythic rare(looking at you, Nadu). Unfortunately, no matter what format you choose, the player-base and tournament support just isn't really there anymore outside of Commander and I wouldn't be surprised if they just cut the cord on constructed all together at some point in the future. This Foundations set is most likely going to be filled with Commander staples and cards designed for multiplayer in general("each opponent" vs "target player") oh and not to mention probably at least 50 new and old legendary creatures.
Hot take mtga should give everyone the beginner box for free so they have a better starting off point.
long live mono black discard >:)
shocker a format called “modern” requires and thrives on Modern cards
Now I'll play standard on arena congratulations
modern was my favorite format. then it became overpriced standard
Modern is from 2003 to today xD, over 2
decades.... Pioner is from 2012
Just wait until they announce a competitive replacement for commander that is modern and newer sets. Go bye RL prices.
They basically tried that with Brawl and the community overwhelmingly rejected it. At least in paper
@AZombieWizard I'll say it, we the community should've given it a chance with how stale commander is getting
Now eternals rotate and rotation is eternal... worst of both worlds.
Bro "plays Modern" and doesn't know what Undying is? 🤨
@refundreplay he just play mill🤷♂️
You're mixing up wither and persist.
They could've just kept Core sets and slightly scaled up the power. I just don't get what the heck they are doing....
The destruction of modern and devaluation of decks, the extended toxic repetitive standered and the constant fire hose of products is why I am selling evening I have and not playing magic any more. They constant reprinting the warped and destroyed the normal resale value of cards that every trading card game has and the increase of lik 1 commander set and 4 standered sets to over 20 sets and products a year is why I am done with this game after 6 years
Phyrexian altar and cloudstone go infinite with the familiar
im out
This is stupid.