This was well put. I have seen first hand in my own church that sometimes we search for ourselves in the Bible instead of Christ, which leads us down a path of seeking our own satisfaction instead the glory of God. As a man, I have thought like this often as well and as she stated, it’s a way of thinking that can not hold a person and anchor them to consistent, life-changing transformation. I love her messages on this platform.
Where do you get the teachings not to judge? Scripture teaches christians to judge ALL things, quit disarming yourself from the wiles of the devil. 1 Corinthians 2:15
Wow! Powerful! Touched! I didn't recognize (within my own trappings) how much I needed to hear this message. Thank you, Jen! Thank you, 'Desiring God'. Thank you, Mr. Renki (?)!
The word is really something that you have to spend a long time in, it’s really something that weathers you. It takes the weight and weathering of season upon season to produce the best fruit.
It wasn't that long ago that the church recognized that identity questions were a potential gateway to cultish thinking, taking our gaze away from God. I'm so glad for the right emphasis being taught here.
Always Read your bible with Jesus Help.He will help you know what is important for you. don't concern yourself with the rest. We are always to Seek Jesus First.
EXACTLY. We're all like little mirrors and God's is the only image that can be properly reflected in us. If you put a mirror in front of a mirror (seeking value and identity by introspection or by the opinions of other humans) the image reflected will just be infinite emptiness. We need to turn and face Him for there to be anything of meaning reflected in us.
Wow I believe I saw things from a new perspective today! This is profound for me as I feel I focus a lot on needing to see who I am in Christ which is important but maybe this is another tactic of the enemy if I stay there for too long.
The problem is not self love. It's that we love ourselves too much. For example, my family doesn't want to help out with anything because they are too tired, stressed, etc. Boundaries are important, but we die to ourselves and put others before ourselves. Our human nature is to constantly think of ourselves more than other people.
I don’t agree. It’s like when a person who hates the way they look is constantly in front of a mirror. To everyone else they are full of themselves, vain, narcissistic and love themselves too much. In reality they are very insecure and are always picking themselves apart in front of the mirror
Go read Hosea (especially the first three chapters). We are quick to ask, “what would I do if God asked me to do what Hosea did?” I’d argue that our self-esteem makes us miss the point: we should be focused on how we are all Gomer. We are all sinners with no defense other than Christ, fully dependent on the never ending love of God. We are even “wooed” back like Gomer. We don’t come back to God in our own power. If we understand that we are Gomer, we see that our purpose is repentance and learning to love God.
Ben Collyer I think it depends on what your response is. I don’t find it the least bit depressing because it magnifies what Christ did for us and how great God’s love is for us.
So what I understood is that, it is important not to just pick and choose scripture that makes us feel better, but read the word in a way that allows God to speak to us. But is it okay to research scripture to help us when we are feeling anxious, depressed, or sad?
well, if your feeling depressed and anxious then reading "the heart is deceptively wicked" isnt going to help you. seeking holyness at the expensive of your mental health and well being is just foolish
God will help you if you are feeling depressed and anxious. He will help give you a peace of mind. The bible is the inspired word of God. I can see how it would be hard for you to understand how the bible can help when it says stuff like that. But have you ever tried to understand with diligence?
I find it very helpful. To remind myself that my heart is deceitful and wicked, I understand that my flesh has different desires than my spirit and, it's a battle but God will sanctify.
Maybe it's the bitter medicine that you need. Actually, the main point of the video was not "you're horrible", but rather "give more attention to God than to yourself".
The center of the universe is HIM not us... The center of the universe is HIM not us The center of the universe is HIM not us.. Man..I pray i continuously see life through this lens and not my myopic view The center of the universe is HIM and not me
"Cast not away thy confidence, for it brings you great reward." Yeshua wants us to have self esteem to create boundaries and standards for ourselves to make positive decisions. Positive decisions bring great rewards, as well as living a life for Him.
As a member of an Orthodox Presbyterian Church (protestant, reformed, Trinitarian, Bible-believing) and a clinical psychologist, I think that the title for this video is potentially dangerous. The Bible is of course clear about putting our trust in God and not ourselves, along with demonstrating humility. The way I explained it when teaching the book of Philippians to my church (when we arrived at chapter 2 about Christ's example of humility) is like this: Essentially an example of poor self-esteem would be a person who fails a test in school and makes the conclusions that they are stupid. That is not "humility" but a cognitive distortion. This simple illustration should explain that there is a place for "self-esteem" when properly understood. This does not preclude the need to trust in God rather than ourselves as Scripture admonishes. A simple definition of humility that a pastor gave me years ago goes like this: Humility is seeing ourselves as God sees us. Does God see us as "stupid" because we failed a test as in my previous illustration? I realize this is not a perfect definition of humility. The point remains, however, that dismissing the concept of "self-esteem" without more careful definitions is, to my mind, reckless. By the way, I love and am grateful for Desiring God.
It's amazing that someone seemingly educated and that has an understanding of the concept of cognitive distortion would be a theist. Holding beliefs that must be held by faith in order to keep feeling good... pot meet kettle.
Alex - I actually do, including my mother. I was a Christian for many years myself. You also don't have to know Christians to be able to talk about Christianity and it's concepts, though it helps.
Che - That is a flat out lie. You must be trying to play word games, like Christians tend to do, and use faith in the place of trust. Those two words are nothing the same.
Christ was our example of servanthood and women’s position is that of servanthood to her family as a worker in the home. All Scripture is for obedience. God makes it simple for women, they are simply called to be workers in the home, loving their husband and children-1 Corinthians chapter 11. She is to dress in shamefaced modesty so men look at her as a sister in all purity. And we all are to consider each person as more important than ourselves. And it is all about the Bible’s teaching alone from Genesis 1:1 to Revelation 22:21 with no additions or subtractions, taught word by word in all purity with no man’s additions and false interpretations that are usually dressed in all fancy lingo that puffs-up the teacher. This, false woman teacher ministers under Matt Chandler. He lied about the sexual abuse of an 11-year-old girl by a children’s leader, Matthew Tonne, who was on paid staff. Though the children’s leader should have been hung from the highest tree by the law, Chandler hid the fact and stated he was removed due to drunkenness, never disclosing the child rape. Sick in every form! www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/takes-a-village-church-deceive-family-southern-baptist/ And Chandler did not want to tell the truth regarding Andy Landrum, a church member and volunteer, who was involved in child sexual acts and one involved a child who attends the Village Church. Chandler’s response was simply, Landrum had “self-disclosed hidden sin.” And Chandler chose to golf instead of attending the meeting addressing Landrum. “On Sunday 10/13/19, according to a member who was present, the parents were informed that a children’s & youth volunteer by the name of Andy Landrum had confessed on Wednesday 10/9/19, to ‘having some inappropriate sexual contact with a child and also having tried to videotape children at his place of employment (a school).” Matt Chandler, a false teacher, tells us we must hate ourselves if we are white. He stands with the Critical Race Theory of Marxism or Black Lives Matter. It is as I mentioned above, considering everyone as being more important than ourselves no matter the race, intelligence, social position, etc. It is not becoming a Marxist in the name of a lying movement of communistic control. And he is a vile Calvinist who teaches the doctrines of demons.
Male and female are Sons of God and both are the bride of Christ. To emphasize one based on your gender when Joel's Pentecost prophecy (Acts 2:17,18) clearly indicates there is no more male or female, rich or poor, old or young in the Spirit. Men might want to be mighty warrior kings of the King of Kings, but really so are women in the Spirit. Btw no where does it say 'daughter of the King' in the bible. The symbology in prophetic books and others like Hebrews and Revelation is always sons or kings or priests in relation to our position in Christ. Never daughters, queens or priestess.
Because Jesus may not/probably didn't elect them. Bearing a nonelect child is condemning him/her to eternally unforgiven punitive suffering. Is that loving for a woman to risk on behalf of a helpless child?
I'm not a mother, but the gospel calls us to love Jesus more than our children or other family members. That priority doesn't come lightly. Please read Matthew 10:35-37.
Shosh: She wouldn't, she would need to evaluate the probabilities and decide if the risk is too high. For example, I'm assuming no Calvinist woman is so callous that she would accept a 99% risk of nonelection.
I fail to see what a woman talking about the biblical illiteracy of Christian women has to do with social justice. Are you saying that they are only talking about her and her views because she is a woman and because they want to be fair? Or are you trying to say that women learning to properly read, interpret, and apply scripture is somehow about social justice? I am sorry, but as a female who was raised in the church I have seen first hand the Biblical illiteracy that is rampant with Christian women. Women's ministries are very touchy-feely, the books for women are very light and touchy-feely, the Christian fiction books geared toward women are the same and often border on soft porn. There is zero depth in the vast majority of women's ministry and it is leaving women weak and vulnerable to false doctrine. Praise God that a woman finally stood up and is exhorting women to grow spiritually and is begging the church for more depth within women's ministry.
Actually, even in the earliest years of the Church/Christianity, women were teaching, just not preaching. And both men and women were instructed to lead by example.
@@sharatietz5489 Are you confusing the church as singularly/only a business institution model? The epistles are clear on the matter and speak to the contrary, but also in detail to what leadership consists of for both men and women in the "domestic church"/family and community, and the differentiation between what we now call "clergy"/presbyters and "laity"/flock.
This was well put. I have seen first hand in my own church that sometimes we search for ourselves in the Bible instead of Christ, which leads us down a path of seeking our own satisfaction instead the glory of God. As a man, I have thought like this often as well and as she stated, it’s a way of thinking that can not hold a person and anchor them to consistent, life-changing transformation. I love her messages on this platform.
Not to judge but many churches nowadays focus on the blessings instead of obedience.
Where do you get the teachings not to judge? Scripture teaches christians to judge ALL things, quit disarming yourself from the wiles of the devil. 1 Corinthians 2:15
yeeeeeeeeees
blessings
Like story of Job
Love Jen Wilkins, who excellently and unapologetically delivers the truth of our desperate need for balance and Bible literacy.
Wow! Powerful! Touched! I didn't recognize (within my own trappings) how much I needed to hear this message. Thank you, Jen! Thank you, 'Desiring God'. Thank you, Mr. Renki (?)!
Very timely word. Thank you and God bless you. x
AMEN!! Can relate to this 100%. Needed to hear this! God bless!
Thank You! Such an awesome word and needed by all of us!
The word is really something that you have to spend a long time in, it’s really something that weathers you. It takes the weight and weathering of season upon season to produce the best fruit.
Wise words!
Maria Glover oh I’m sure I probably pillaged it from somewhere or someone else, most wisdom is :P
It wasn't that long ago that the church recognized that identity questions were a potential gateway to cultish thinking, taking our gaze away from God. I'm so glad for the right emphasis being taught here.
That's eye opening and very wise, God bless you sister!
She has an amazing message about this topic on the Village Church channel. What a blessing!
Always Read your bible with Jesus Help.He will help you know what is important for you. don't concern yourself with the rest. We are always to Seek Jesus First.
Wow. Unbelievably good word sister!!
EXACTLY. We're all like little mirrors and God's is the only image that can be properly reflected in us. If you put a mirror in front of a mirror (seeking value and identity by introspection or by the opinions of other humans) the image reflected will just be infinite emptiness. We need to turn and face Him for there to be anything of meaning reflected in us.
Wow I believe I saw things from a new perspective today! This is profound for me as I feel I focus a lot on needing to see who I am in Christ which is important but maybe this is another tactic of the enemy if I stay there for too long.
The problem is not self love. It's that we love ourselves too much. For example, my family doesn't want to help out with anything because they are too tired, stressed, etc. Boundaries are important, but we die to ourselves and put others before ourselves. Our human nature is to constantly think of ourselves more than other people.
I don’t agree. It’s like when a person who hates the way they look is constantly in front of a mirror. To everyone else they are full of themselves, vain, narcissistic and love themselves too much. In reality they are very insecure and are always picking themselves apart in front of the mirror
Wow. This was really good. I've never heard this before.
Yes! I can't agree more. Thank you.
Wow so amazing thank you for this video.
Go read Hosea (especially the first three chapters). We are quick to ask, “what would I do if God asked me to do what Hosea did?” I’d argue that our self-esteem makes us miss the point: we should be focused on how we are all Gomer. We are all sinners with no defense other than Christ, fully dependent on the never ending love of God. We are even “wooed” back like Gomer. We don’t come back to God in our own power.
If we understand that we are Gomer, we see that our purpose is repentance and learning to love God.
the effects on your mental health by focusing on how we are gomer can be devastating and cripple someones service due to depression
Ben Collyer I think it depends on what your response is. I don’t find it the least bit depressing because it magnifies what Christ did for us and how great God’s love is for us.
Wonderful! 👍
WHAT TIME IS IT?
WHAT AGE IT IS IN WE ARE LIVING?
So what I understood is that, it is important not to just pick and choose scripture that makes us feel better, but read the word in a way that allows God to speak to us. But is it okay to research scripture to help us when we are feeling anxious, depressed, or sad?
Thank you!
Pls on the description of the video can u write who is the host of this show and who is tge quest speaking?
♥️ So grateful for Jeni,in this message she speak truth in love😇
Refreshing and Real💕
I love this! Let God be high and lifted up, and let all of us bow down to Him.
Will. I'm not educated my take is when self esteem becomes most important.
This was good!
God if all christian women could listen to this.
mary lou Carr Too busy listening to Jesus Culture!
God this is so awesome. God bless ya'll!
AMEN
well, if your feeling depressed and anxious then reading "the heart is deceptively wicked" isnt going to help you. seeking holyness at the expensive of your mental health and well being is just foolish
God will help you if you are feeling depressed and anxious. He will help give you a peace of mind. The bible is the inspired word of God. I can see how it would be hard for you to understand how the bible can help when it says stuff like that. But have you ever tried to understand with diligence?
I find it very helpful. To remind myself that my heart is deceitful and wicked, I understand that my flesh has different desires than my spirit and, it's a battle but God will sanctify.
Maybe it's the bitter medicine that you need.
Actually, the main point of the video was not "you're horrible", but rather "give more attention to God than to yourself".
Preach
The center of the universe is HIM not us...
The center of the universe is HIM not us
The center of the universe is HIM not us..
Man..I pray i continuously see life through this lens and not my myopic view
The center of the universe is HIM and not me
WHAT IS GOING ON ?
Great I recommend this book "How the Bible actually works" by Peter Enns
"Cast not away thy confidence, for it brings you great reward." Yeshua wants us to have self esteem to create boundaries and standards for ourselves to make positive decisions. Positive decisions bring great rewards, as well as living a life for Him.
ITS END TIME...
As a member of an Orthodox Presbyterian Church (protestant, reformed, Trinitarian, Bible-believing) and a clinical psychologist, I think that the title for this video is potentially dangerous. The Bible is of course clear about putting our trust in God and not ourselves, along with demonstrating humility. The way I explained it when teaching the book of Philippians to my church (when we arrived at chapter 2 about Christ's example of humility) is like this: Essentially an example of poor self-esteem would be a person who fails a test in school and makes the conclusions that they are stupid. That is not "humility" but a cognitive distortion. This simple illustration should explain that there is a place for "self-esteem" when properly understood. This does not preclude the need to trust in God rather than ourselves as Scripture admonishes. A simple definition of humility that a pastor gave me years ago goes like this: Humility is seeing ourselves as God sees us. Does God see us as "stupid" because we failed a test as in my previous illustration? I realize this is not a perfect definition of humility. The point remains, however, that dismissing the concept of "self-esteem" without more careful definitions is, to my mind, reckless. By the way, I love and am grateful for Desiring God.
It's amazing that someone seemingly educated and that has an understanding of the concept of cognitive distortion would be a theist. Holding beliefs that must be held by faith in order to keep feeling good... pot meet kettle.
+Child Boo You don't know (m)any Christians, do you?
@@vgsdomingo1 every beliefs is held together by faith even no theistic ones.
Alex -
I actually do, including my mother. I was a Christian for many years myself. You also don't have to know Christians to be able to talk about Christianity and it's concepts, though it helps.
Che -
That is a flat out lie. You must be trying to play word games, like Christians tend to do, and use faith in the place of trust. Those two words are nothing the same.
ITS CHRIST COMING BACK AGE
Christ was our example of servanthood and women’s position is that of servanthood to her family as a worker in the home. All Scripture is for obedience. God makes it simple for women, they are simply called to be workers in the home, loving their husband and children-1 Corinthians chapter 11. She is to dress in shamefaced modesty so men look at her as a sister in all purity.
And we all are to consider each person as more important than ourselves.
And it is all about the Bible’s teaching alone from Genesis 1:1 to Revelation 22:21 with no additions or subtractions, taught word by word in all purity with no man’s additions and false interpretations that are usually dressed in all fancy lingo that puffs-up the teacher.
This, false woman teacher ministers under Matt Chandler. He lied about the sexual abuse of an 11-year-old girl by a children’s leader, Matthew Tonne, who was on paid staff. Though the children’s leader should have been hung from the highest tree by the law, Chandler hid the fact and stated he was removed due to drunkenness, never disclosing the child rape. Sick in every form! www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/takes-a-village-church-deceive-family-southern-baptist/
And Chandler did not want to tell the truth regarding Andy Landrum, a church member and volunteer, who was involved in child sexual acts and one involved a child who attends the Village Church. Chandler’s response was simply, Landrum had “self-disclosed hidden sin.” And Chandler chose to golf instead of attending the meeting addressing Landrum.
“On Sunday 10/13/19, according to a member who was present, the parents were informed that a children’s & youth volunteer by the name of Andy Landrum had confessed on Wednesday 10/9/19, to ‘having some inappropriate sexual contact with a child and also having tried to videotape children at his place of employment (a school).”
Matt Chandler, a false teacher, tells us we must hate ourselves if we are white. He stands with the Critical Race Theory of Marxism or Black Lives Matter. It is as I mentioned above, considering everyone as being more important than ourselves no matter the race, intelligence, social position, etc. It is not becoming a Marxist in the name of a lying movement of communistic control.
And he is a vile Calvinist who teaches the doctrines of demons.
Male and female are Sons of God and both are the bride of Christ. To emphasize one based on your gender when Joel's Pentecost prophecy (Acts 2:17,18) clearly indicates there is no more male or female, rich or poor, old or young in the Spirit. Men might want to be mighty warrior kings of the King of Kings, but really so are women in the Spirit. Btw no where does it say 'daughter of the King' in the bible. The symbology in prophetic books and others like Hebrews and Revelation is always sons or kings or priests in relation to our position in Christ. Never daughters, queens or priestess.
BS
Do Calvinist mothers love their children unconditionally, knowing Jesus may well *not* have elected them?
Why wouldn't they?
Because Jesus may not/probably didn't elect them.
Bearing a nonelect child is condemning him/her to eternally unforgiven punitive suffering.
Is that loving for a woman to risk on behalf of a helpless child?
20july1944 How would she know if they're elected or not?
I'm not a mother, but the gospel calls us to love Jesus more than our children or other family members. That priority doesn't come lightly. Please read Matthew 10:35-37.
Shosh:
She wouldn't, she would need to evaluate the probabilities and decide if the risk is too high.
For example, I'm assuming no Calvinist woman is so callous that she would accept a 99% risk of nonelection.
The social justice folks are really going out of their way to put this woman in every video they post. Matt Chandler, Gospel Coalition ect.
I fail to see what a woman talking about the biblical illiteracy of Christian women has to do with social justice. Are you saying that they are only talking about her and her views because she is a woman and because they want to be fair? Or are you trying to say that women learning to properly read, interpret, and apply scripture is somehow about social justice? I am sorry, but as a female who was raised in the church I have seen first hand the Biblical illiteracy that is rampant with Christian women. Women's ministries are very touchy-feely, the books for women are very light and touchy-feely, the Christian fiction books geared toward women are the same and often border on soft porn. There is zero depth in the vast majority of women's ministry and it is leaving women weak and vulnerable to false doctrine. Praise God that a woman finally stood up and is exhorting women to grow spiritually and is begging the church for more depth within women's ministry.
Hey Eve, step down from the pulpit, you have authority from men, but NOT from God to teach scripture. Repent!
I dont recall a women being able to teach. Maybe a women can teach other women but this? Nope. Men must lead.
Actually, even in the earliest years of the Church/Christianity, women were teaching, just not preaching. And both men and women were instructed to lead by example.
Teach- yes, Lead a church- No
@@sharatietz5489 Are you confusing the church as singularly/only a business institution model? The epistles are clear on the matter and speak to the contrary, but also in detail to what leadership consists of for both men and women in the "domestic church"/family and community, and the differentiation between what we now call "clergy"/presbyters and "laity"/flock.
I'm not sure you even know what you are talking about
@@Cheo.M Who?