Tony Benn -- The issue is Thatcher
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- Опубликовано: 31 мар 2008
- Tony Benn talks about Thatcherism and the rotten philosophies of the Tory government in the 1980s.
Clip from Benn's 'Speaking up in Parliament' video, available through amazon.co.uk and elsewhere.
www.bennites.com/
Tony Benn the greatest prime minister we never had.
Far too intelligent a man to be prime minister
#JC4PM 🌹
And Corbyn...
100 % AGREE
The kgb literally said he would be a threat to the country as he would be too left wing
"Skill is what built this country's strength, and it is treated with contempt." Still true today.
You're spot on. It certainly wasn't built by those who are All Talk, but no physical Labour. Bah! they're ALL just hot air!!!
still rings true
Has never been more true than right now. This vile government have drawn scientists, teachers, doctors, nurses, builders and careworks into the firing line of the virus and the media in order to shield their incompetency and save their own stinking hides. We should never forget what they have done.
just look at rutte 3/4
The enemy within. Finally brought this country close to the third world.
"Her whole philosophy was that you measured the price of everything and the value of nothing."
What a fantastic line.
Not to knock Tony Benn, who I thought was a great man, but he was actually ( I'm sure knowingly) borrowing a quote from Oscar Wilde.
For years and years, Tony Benn was mocked and reviled by the British press and media - just for speaking the truth! Future generations will see him as the great social visionary and deeply human personality he really was.
its happening now
Same.with Corbyn
@@jacobite2353 Still happening.
True, but not if they trust the narrative of the main stream media in the UK. Mr Benn would be horrified by the condition of the current "Labour" Party too. Please vote Green for Proportional Representation on July 4th
I cannot hear Tony Benn give a speech without being moved to tears.
I hear you Gustav ❤
“Making mistakes is part of life. The only things I would feel ashamed of would be if I had said things I hadn't believed in order to get on. Some politicians do that.” - Tony Benn
As Benn quickly discovered on becoming a Minister, Cabinet Government rules by the doctrine of collective responsibility so at times he had to do just that or return to the back benches!
Unfortunately, his son has not inherited his father moral compass. If he told me the sky is blue I'd look outside to check for myself.
blair and starmer
Here in 2023.... the same speech would hold true today. It's the same problems....it is truly frightening that all his points apply now, never mind in the 80s
I went to see and listen to Tony Benn at my local town hall 30 years ago. He was inspirational. He said all the things I believed in and I felt comforted that I agreed with everything the great man said.
Then... At the end he said that if you feel happy because I've said everything you wanted to hear and you do nothing about it, I've wasted my time.
I was crestfallen, because I knew I couldn't give enough time to the cause.
I was too busy working hard to feed my family. I regret it to this day.
You could that now.
That speech could have been made in 2023 and still be topical
Look how few MPs were there to hear that speech. Disgrace.
What an utter legend. If Benn had been Prime Minister instead of Thatcher, the United Kingdom would truly have become closer to its namesake.
That "woman" doomed the UK to never be a significant world power ever again.
3:14 - "Her whole philosophy was that you measured the price of everything and the value of nothing."
"the price of everything and the value of nothing" Capitalism's epitaph. RIP Tony Benn.
the socialist alternative being "we will decide in our plan, the price of everything and the value of nothing for you! from cradle till grave!"
@@oldschoolcockneylover8138 Why did we allow the Social Democrats, Liberals, Conservatism, moronic Leninist, define Socialism as government or centralized control, that is simply not what it is. Cooperatives, worker control, no government needed, and a direct council democracy that’s socialist not your hogwash that all those groups I mention believe.
Let's hope so. We need Wholesale Systemic Change, now more than ever.
Tony was one of Britain's finest statesmen, he shot from the hip and loved a scrap.
Many wouldn't agree with his politics or some of the things he said, but he was a passionate politician who did everything in his power to make the UK a better place to live.
He'll be sadly missed.
Rest in peace Tony.
Finest?
He was a mess just like all the other labour socialists who destroyed the UK.
bighands69 Thatcher destroyed the UK, as the tory incumbents are now.
Fuck you right wing troll.
bighands69 If you think the current Labour establishment are socialist then you are seriously deluded. If you think Blair was a socialist then I am afraid you have developed a psychosis. Keep taking the meds.
bighands69
"Destroyed the UK"
My god, another one with his head up his backside.
You agree with a society then there a select few prosper and most don't? A society where we have 5.4 million on poverty wages, 13 million below the poverty line, 1.9 million unemployed, 1 million youth unemployed and the likes of the elderly who cannot afford to keep themselves warm each winter because they have to choose between that and eating (they can't afford both) - in the mean time the likes of British Gas boast profits of £595 million (maggie deregulation), taking the profit abroad to avoid paying tax.
Further still you have countless millions relying on food banks and 800k living off £10 a month.
On the other side of the coin you have corruption in parliament, decadence, lies, deceit, public asset sell off and people running a mock with our money in the city, causing crashes to the detriment of us all because Maggie deregulated the industry. Then you have Vodafone getting away without paying £30 million in corporation tax along with Amazon, Boots, Iceland, Next, Google, to name a few.
All of this is good in your eyes, yes? The last 30 years of right wing policy have really been something to write home about, haven't they?
RIP Tony Benn.
Michael McDonald
"right wing troll"
Labour introduced the company merger act which forced the UK car industry into nationalization. What this done was force good auto companies into mergers with bad and this then bankrupted them costing over 3 million jobs.
When Thatcher came to power unemployment was at 11% and inflation was at 25% and the UK was living of vapour loans from the IMF.
Can you address these points directly please and stop with the name calling.
The politician I most admired and respected. He had intelligence, decency, politeness and integrity.
I'm glad he outlived Thatcher.
matthemod
Hear hear!
His Legacy won't
I agree entirely.
@@bigbaz8314 Yes because her legacy will be our last thoughts as we are dragged on a path paved by her vile ideas and polices to hell on Earth.
The story about the train as an analogy for Thatcherism vs Socialism is just perfect.
It would have been had you not lived through the 1970s.
One of the best things I've ever heard
Whilst watching this, you'd think that he is talking about Modern-Day Britain 2013/14 im only reminded by the title and the quality of the camera that he is talking about Thatchers parliament, THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE IN THE TORY PARTY NOW AS THERE WAS THEN, SAVE THE RICH - USING MONEY FROMTHE POOR
Rest in Peace Tony Benn the greatest leader we never had.
Thatcher saved the UK.
When she took over the UK was on the point of bankruptcy and the communist unions where trying their best to destroy the UK economy.
She create more jobs and saved the UK. Why would you try and denounce this. Do you believe in your politics that much that you would just do this.
bighands69 No she didn't. She was the UK's Reagan.
Under her, Britain went from being a country that exported more to imported more goods in their 2000 year history. Income inequality soared under her with tax cuts for the rich. She destroyed multiple industries, especially steel, coal and cars. She sold state assets worth billions for a fraction of what they were worth.
***** The steel and coal industries were on their way out anyway thanks to the availability of imports at around a 10th of the price. Once containerised shipping made everything more efficient, it became infinitely cheaper to import. Then there's the fact that the unions were so anti-progress that the industries became a complete drain on the tax-payers!
The car industry is another matter, whoever the hell thought it would be a good idea for that to be nationalised in the first place should have been in a straight jacket! Our cars were a joke, so nobody bought them, so the industry lost money, which meant job-cuts, which, thanks to the unions again, meant strikes. Strikes further diminished productivity, causing the industry to die an even swifter death!
If you want to look at who to blame, look at the previous labour government, who invested far too much money into dying industries!
bighands69 "When she took over the UK was on the point of bankruptcy and the communist unions"
"Communist unions" - that's this guy talking about? Never heard of a "communist union" before. Please explain this.
Funny thing about bankruptcy, because it was her very deregulation policies which allowed the banking industry to run a mock with our money bringing us to the financial crash of '08. Today we have more debt than we've ever been in (again thanks to her deregulation of the financial industry). Now millions suffer at the hands of her legacy.
Ignorant fool.
Tony Benn is one of the greatest men of all time. I cry tears of joy when I hear his voice.
Whether you agree or not with his political views, you cannot deny the fact that Tony Benn was a wonderful speaker.
I miss Tony Benn. Send us a half-comparable substitute, and they'll get my vote this May.
+Benedict Perkins Your comment made me smile. I could take a good guess that somebodies got your vote for September.
Corbyn?
+Windy Windmill yes Corbyn! Although I only wish he had the incredible oratory skills of Benn.
+Ned Lightowlers It is quite remarkable the parallels. Corbyn's push for greater party democracy was a lifelong mission of Tony Benn. So was unilateral disarmament, which is one of Corbyn's cornerstone policies. So glad Labour is returning to being an actual clear alternative rather than just Tory-lite like in New Labour days. Tony said something very prophetic about New Labour. He said that it was like a bonfire on a frozen pond. It looks really pretty, but slowly it starts melting away its own base. That is exactly what New Labour did. Just look at how many people cite the Iraq war or hatred for many of Brown and Blair's policies as why they left the party or didn't vote for them.
Dave Hobbs If you believe the far left is a viable alternative for the UK then you must be deluded.
R.I.P Tony Benn. This is a sad day.
Tony Ben was part of a dying breed of politician. One who spoke and acted out of genuine interest and compassion for the people and was not simply a media puppet or corporate lapdog like most politicians today. The passion, and sincerity with which he speaks is so rarely seen in parliament today. His death is a terrible loss to this country.
I would have loved to sit and listen to his brand of remarkable political articulation over a pint, or ten. And it's equally remarkable that this speech could have been delivered today. RIP Tony Benn.
Tony Benn was a raging socialist who destroyed British industry.
bighands69,,,,tory boy
I think you'd have had to have your chat over ten cups of tea, Tony didn't drink alcohol.
Tony Benn, a true hero, he knew exactly what was going on and he made it public knowlage, shame the masses are so blind.
There will never be another Tony Benn.
This speech should be preserved forever, the tories were the cause of today's fuel poverty, and as Mr Benn pointed out, the energy companies were sold so the rich & greedy could make a quick profit. These companies now are nothing more than profit making machines.
RIP Tony, you were a true working class hero
Doubtless our "betters" at google will remove this inflammatory nonsense
oitchy What nonsense? You sound like the two evils of British politics, Thatcher and Cameron
Look how empty the benches are! On both sides of the House. Why couldn't anyone be bothered to show up for this?
+aperson22222 Makes you wonder
Because MPs are busy working on different things? They all have individual responsibilities and can't concentrate on everything.
By the time we got to London, we were a Socialist train.
Brilliant.
Very dishonest actually. He's saying that if people give up on creating value they'd have better lives. Only by the production of value it is possible for humankind to take a break and relax. You didn't learn nothing from your own industrial revolution years, didnt you? You rather die in the fields or be sustained by the govt (someone else's money).
@@VNeto94 Yes because nobody created value before yuppie derivatives traders and industrial dictatorship.
This is very true, just been delayed by 2 and a half hours between Coventry and Rugby mainline train lost power on the approach. Started out avoiding eye contact, head in phones not talking. By the end we knew each others first names, swapped numbers and were joking about, playing mock the week one-liners. Things are very wrong in the UK today, who the hell wants us to bomb people in Syria? Wake up people stop being so ignorant of others.
To the Essex girl who will definitely miss her tube connection, you are beautiful don't listen to your bf, to the young girl revising Biology on the train hope you pass with flying colours stick with it, to the Scotsman who needed to get the Southampton I hope you get there and to the guy who had to cycle home from the station stay safe on the roads mate. I would reveal names but that's not for me to divulge. Peace people peace.
+ednuttah One of the greatest comments I've ever seen. I salute you sir!
George Bennett It was a very interesting train, there was also a a middle aged lady who I talked to about the CND movement she was in during the 60's we just all clicked. No one moaned about trains or anything, we knew the company was doing their best, the only two staff were a ticket collector and a driver that was it. It's not the staff's fault they probably had lay-offs to pay for the CEO's golf holiday so we weren't mad at them they were doing everything they could to get the coupler derailier back up and running. Honest it was so funny, we were doing "things you wouldn't hear on a broken down train" and "things David Cameron doesn't want you to know about network rail" mock the week style, the creativity was all there even the kids were on it. There was a single mum with a 18 month toddler boy he was cute as anything and we sung 3 men and a baby lullaby to send him off! "goodnight sweetheart well it's time to go..."
135 minutes of being stuck on a train brings out the humanity in genuine people the type of people who take trains in standard class you know?
Excellent comment. Thank you for sharing that.
TONY BENN = THE ULTIMATE BOSS
we need more people like mr benn
I was just thinking that myself davie!
Why do we always ask for people to voice our opinions?
Why is it so hard for people like him to get into politics?
Unfortunately nothing seems to have changed. Why is common sense such a rare commodity? I was inspired by seeing Tony Benn speak back in 1986. A real man. Farewell brother.
Gosh we need this man back, this man is what labour used to stand for, and everything they should stand for now. He is one of my biggest inspirations in life and I think this country would be a much better place if every MP was even half as honest and dedicated as Tony Benn. RIP Tony, we could really use you right now you wonderful man.
+alice smith So if not now, when? If not YOU, who? Stop looking for the next Tony Benn; be the first Alice Smith. Stop looking to other people to carry your share of the load. That's what's meant by "self-government"; WE have to be the "self governed".
He was a kind, honest and decent person. I miss him, and I think this country misses such a good person. When I see the awful flotsam running this country now, and think of Tony, I could weep.
I agree. On the other hand, the Labour Party did have someone with very similar political views as party leader only a few years ago. What happened? He was constantly smeared and undermined by the establishment media and ultimately forced out by the Labour right (Blair's legacy). Sadly, men like Benn and Corbyn are just too honest and upright to ever be head of government in a country like this. Those that hold power and influence are venal and self-serving, while the rest are easily misled and manipulated.
Today a fundamental piece of British politics died today. A stalwart statesman whom will be sorely missed. This speech should shame all politicians today. Not one of them can hold a candle to Mr Benn. R.I.P Sir.
What an outstanding orator!
What a great man. RIP
I keep coming back to this clip and his speech on the Iraq war, and it is as fresh and relevant today as the day he stood and expressed these views. UK politics is sorely lacking this calibre of politician.
Sadly missed...a true socialist!
Who killed the source of their own philosophy were the socialists with every constant fail in the history.
Virgilio Marques Tony Benn was always a staunch Anti-EU campaigner
Virgilio Marques capitalism is better than socialism? OK son owt you say. What's your alternative? Anarchism? Humans aren't ready for that yet. Fascism? That is crony capitalism on roids. Libertarianism? That's just being an anarcho capitalist which is one of the dumbest concepts ever, mixing the ideology of no hierarchy within a hierarchical system. So socialism it is and it does work all it needs to truly flourish is an end to hysterical propaganda from a media you don't trust and from democracy bombs and interventions on behalf of Imperialist interests. Don't be the fool
@@JohnKobaRuddy the closer a country gets to socialism, the worse it gets.
@@VNeto94 How exactly? Also can you define socialism please?
Thank you for a life time of passionate compassion and campaigning, we have much to live up to. RIP dear comrade...
I love tony Benn,and altho I didn't know him personally - I saw him speak at a meeting in 1990 once - I miss him!!
RIP Tony Benn
The best Prime Minister that this country never had.
Excellent and timely speech, woe, that the people DID NOT HEED it (still appear not to get it)!
Wonderful Tony Benn- his words ooze compassion, kindness, and common sense
I cant believe that this speech was spoken so many years ago and here we are again...............but only worse. Tony benn is the best MP i have ever read/listened too!
And things haven't got much better since then - only 30% of jobs in this country can be defined as 'skilled' compared to somewhere like Germany where 60% of jobs represent skilled labour. Unfortunately, it's no longer possible to raise these issues since we have a government and press in power who've successfully convinced the public that A. All people out of work are lazy. B. All the good jobs have been taken by immigrants anyway. C. That if you've got a degree from a top tier university it's no more than conceitedness preventing you from serving coffee to people at Starbucks for the rest of your life. RIP Benn.
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Benn and his communist cohorts destroyed the UK.
They have developed massive council estates that where initially developed for the poorest people but today have workers living in them because they have been priced out of the market by planning.
Blair done his best to wreck the UK and his political father in Law tried the same.
Did the communists sell off the council houses as well? In any case, I thought the consensus was that Benn never really wielded any serious influence when it came to policy-making. That's the one thing all his obituary writers (pro and con) seem to have agreed on anyway.
In most contexts Benn talked sense but in the context of the UK during corona virus his words are like gospel
A throwback to great days when politicians had integrity. I remember reading that Michael Heseltine was criticised for going to Tony Benn's funeral but as he said he respected Tony Benn, he didn't agree with him but they totally respected each other and that sadly is missing today
I will not dance on her grave as many on the right portray those of us that will not praise her.
I simply will not portray as any except what she was, what she did and what her legacy was, and as an ex miner in an ex mining village I can say there was nothing but bad!
And that her legacy does more than linger today.
This speaker is of great conscience, speaks more truth than any Torie ever has.
The great comes from the many, the collective, the collaboration. Selfishness only serves the few.
rip comrade
This dude is brilliant.
Tony Benn, one of the greatest moral valued Politicians that often spoke to empty crowds. A shame we will never hear the likes of his wisdom again.
Mr Benn made you stop and listen to an alternative view which was often dispirited and maligned by others. He was clear and thought provoking and a man of conviction. A man of our times.RIP Tony.
Rest in peace Mr Benn... 💔
Simply brilliant! Bloody brilliant!
A great speech could be today it was given
This is Wedgwood Benn at his stunning best. Marvellous.
Remarkable politician and human being.
Wow what a speech. We need a party of tony benns in labour now.
What Labour....Britain is liberal only in name...
A wonderful humanitarian and one of the very few intelligent souls to shine through the corrupt murk of Westminster. I feel like the nation has lost a favourite uncle. RIP dear fellow! x
@Symbioticism CAN make a speech. Mr Benn is still at the forefront of sensible, social politics today in the UK, and we thank all that is good for his contribution
What a timeless speech.
Love Tony Benn
Remarkable speech, even more relevant now as then.
4:38 this is stunningly insightful. So true.
RIP Tony Benn
What a wonderful view of what human nature really longs for, compassion for one another, instead we have a society based on material gain...he who dies with the most toys wins. We had to socialise the banks when their poisonous, corrupt financial system failed, is it beyond the wit of man to develop a society that shares instead of competes, or are we going to keep on blankly repeating the same old tired phrase " capitalism is the worst form of government except for the others ". We are frozen in history, let's be a bit more creative. Tony Benn, one of the best.
Stirring and astonishingly accurate. Chickens have come home to roost. You're sorely missed Tony.
A man ablaze with love and compassion. RIP
What a fucking lad
Titan.
Tony Benn The GOAT of politicians..RIP Sir !
He sounds more patriotic then any MP today
Brilliant. Sheer brilliance. "By the time we reached London, we were a socialist train."
I cried watching this .R.I.P Tony.
Tony Benn. What an absolute genius. If only he was our prime minister this country would be a much better place...
RIP Tony Benn. Wish there were more like him in Westminster, if so I'd actually vote "No" in September.
we need higher tax
+chris hob Not necessarily higher. We need a complete overhaul of the tax system which is currently, in spite of propaganda from both the establishment "left" and right, wholly regressive. This is because when tax gets spent on infrastructure, it enriches the land owner as the unimproved value of their property increases. It's that unimproved value we should be taxing and returning to communities and trusts in the form of a dividend.
Aside from that, income tax is a tax on the fruits of labour (which all socialists, whether statist or libertarian should oppose) and it's not even that effective because the wealthy know where to move their income to avoid paying. What virtually nobody is talking about is the land value tax. You can't move land, it is a gift from nature, not labour, and it is the greatest source of idly generated wealth in the country. An LVT could easily replace income tax and a whole host of other direct taxes. It would also disincentivise land hoarding for speculative purposes and the unproductive use of land.
The reason nobody has talked about it seriously since Churchill's liberal period is because they know such a change would not get passed the 2nd chamber - where the land owning aristocrats dwell. Until we reform the House of Lords, land reform will not be on the agenda and increasing income tax will be the only option on people's minds.
Had Tony Benn had is way and won the 1983 election, which was largely his manifesto, we would all be on the bones of our arses now. Driving round in Trabants and lucky to be able to afford a pair of jeans. Thank heavens he never got hold of real power.
I never agreed with his politics other than his opposition to the EU, however I've always had a huge respect for the man, he had is beliefs and stood behind them, so different to the snake oil salesmen of today.
Everything he’s saying is true today. No politician comes close to tony benn today
The guy was a knob.
Thatcher was a woman, well apparently.
Agree on the sentiment.
RIP to a good man who, rather than act in self interest, actually rejected his own hereditary peerage to defend democracy.
How long before all of this mans videos have their comments disabled?
He spoke up for us all.
He cared.
What a dangerous man who must be silenced.
🙁
He is spot on about the tories and their philosophy. The tories really do know the price of everything and the value of nothing.
I wonder what his thoughts on today would be? A combination of horror and disgust mixed in with optimism. Only he can express optimism which would turn any ice hearted Conservative soft. What a man.
Such a great loss! A GOOD man. Let us continue to listen to his wise words!
Terrific Commons speech from Tony Benn when he was MP for Chesterfield. Spot on about Thatcher and the legacy of her vile Tory government. Great 'socialist train' anecdote too!
Labour has not had a minister of this caliber ever since
The media and the 'establishment' shut Benn out. And so it will be for any future Tony Benn types. That is why nothing ever changes folks. Don't imagine it ever will change. Be happy with what you've got... As they say at DAVOS "You will own nothing but you will be happy"
"They've closed the door on their own philosophy" so true!
Fantastic speech (and SpAd free) How we will miss orators in politics
RUclips isn't letting me post links so Google the following keywords ''Tony Benn Inheritance Tax'' and it should be the first link
What's incredible is that he can make a fantastic speech that moves you with one hand in his pocket and another holding notes - imagine if he'd memorised it! I wish i could take lessons in rhetoric from him...
Best reply I've seen around here. Benn might as well have campaigned to turn UK into a Soviet peninsula.
Always voted Conservative - love and respect Tony Benn. Why? Never sold out. Always remained true to his principles. Well done Tony.
This kind of public and parliamentary speaking and representation should be the standard.
Heard this wonderful man speak at a conference for A Level Politics students this year-- he spoke after Nigel Farage and the contrast between that snide, snivelling worm and this remarkable man was unbelievable. I had the privelige to ask him a question and he was kind and informative-- many of the other speakers didn't even answer what was asked.
A unique gentleman and exemplary statesman, an inspiring rhetor , a wholehearted socialist.
I totally agree tax avoidance is totally unfair. The international community must crack down on it. People earning above the threshold should pay 40% unless they offset some into charities. But it should not be above 40% or all the great minds will leave this country. We need people with wealth to invest.
There are 3 major problems with world finance.
1.) Outsourcing for cheaper labour abroad.
2.) Tax avoidance by multinationals and individuals.
3.) Internet shopping (Ties in to 2)
I'm sure that's a Tory manifesto policy "measure the price of everything and the value of nothing"